OT The Nature of Evil

[George Cleveland]

Watching that bloated pus bag from Wyoming snarling vacuous
vicisiosness out of the corner of his mouth last night, I was
naturally drawn into a consideration of the nature of evil. If one is
prepared to label some thing or some one evil how can one work with
people who are associated with that thing or person without giving
susteneance to evil itself?


g.c.


You *did* say I hadn't been posting here enough lately Greg and Cyli,
didn't you? Ephorons are hatching. TR to come

[Wolfgang]

"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
> Watching that bloated pus bag from Wyoming snarling vacuous
> vicisiosness out of the corner of his mouth last night, I was
> naturally drawn into a consideration of the nature of evil. If one
is
> prepared to label some thing or some one evil how can one work with
> people who are associated with that thing or person without giving
> susteneance to evil itself?

As I am reasonably certain that you know I'm not from Wyoming, I
figure I'm off the hook on this one. Whew!

That said, I don't know who you are referring to or what the occasion
was. Help me out here?

> g.c.
>
>
> You *did* say I hadn't been posting here enough lately Greg and
Cyli,
> didn't you? Ephorons are hatching. TR to come

Wow, this is VERY late for the Ephorons, ainna?

Wolfgang

[Wolfgang]

"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
> Watching that bloated pus bag from Wyoming snarling vacuous
> vicisiosness out of the corner of his mouth last night, I was
> naturally drawn into a consideration of the nature of evil. If one
is
> prepared to label some thing or some one evil how can one work with
> people who are associated with that thing or person without giving
> susteneance to evil itself?

As I am reasonably certain that you know I'm not from Wyoming, I
figure I'm off the hook on this one. Whew!

That said, I don't know who you are referring to or what the occasion
was. Help me out here?

> g.c.
>
>
> You *did* say I hadn't been posting here enough lately Greg and
Cyli,
> didn't you? Ephorons are hatching. TR to come

Wow, this is VERY late for the Ephorons, ainna?

Wolfgang

[Ken Fortenberry]

George Cleveland wrote:

> Watching that bloated pus bag from Wyoming snarling vacuous
> vicisiosness out of the corner of his mouth last night, I was
> naturally drawn into a consideration of the nature of evil. If one is
> prepared to label some thing or some one evil how can one work with
> people who are associated with that thing or person without giving
> susteneance to evil itself?

I thought he was hilarious. Tear-streaming, belly-busting, knee-slapping
hilarious. And Zell Miller ! Oh. My. God. That is one insane, crazy
mother****er. When he said "Armed forces armed with what, SPEETBAWLLS ?"
I hit the floor in a heap.

Of course I had smoked some highly efficacious attitude adjustment
herbs. I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Ken Fortenberry]

George Cleveland wrote:

> Watching that bloated pus bag from Wyoming snarling vacuous
> vicisiosness out of the corner of his mouth last night, I was
> naturally drawn into a consideration of the nature of evil. If one is
> prepared to label some thing or some one evil how can one work with
> people who are associated with that thing or person without giving
> susteneance to evil itself?

I thought he was hilarious. Tear-streaming, belly-busting, knee-slapping
hilarious. And Zell Miller ! Oh. My. God. That is one insane, crazy
mother****er. When he said "Armed forces armed with what, SPEETBAWLLS ?"
I hit the floor in a heap.

Of course I had smoked some highly efficacious attitude adjustment
herbs. I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Bones]

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:50:39 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
> wrote:

>George Cleveland wrote:
>
>> Watching that bloated pus bag from Wyoming snarling vacuous
>> vicisiosness out of the corner of his mouth last night, I was
>> naturally drawn into a consideration of the nature of evil. If one is
>> prepared to label some thing or some one evil how can one work with
>> people who are associated with that thing or person without giving
>> susteneance to evil itself?
>
>I thought he was hilarious. Tear-streaming, belly-busting, knee-slapping
>hilarious. And Zell Miller ! Oh. My. God. That is one insane, crazy
>mother****er. When he said "Armed forces armed with what, SPEETBAWLLS ?"
>I hit the floor in a heap.
>
>Of course I had smoked some highly efficacious attitude adjustment
>herbs. I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.


You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.
Harry Mason
www.troutflies.com

[Bones]

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:50:39 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
> wrote:

>George Cleveland wrote:
>
>> Watching that bloated pus bag from Wyoming snarling vacuous
>> vicisiosness out of the corner of his mouth last night, I was
>> naturally drawn into a consideration of the nature of evil. If one is
>> prepared to label some thing or some one evil how can one work with
>> people who are associated with that thing or person without giving
>> susteneance to evil itself?
>
>I thought he was hilarious. Tear-streaming, belly-busting, knee-slapping
>hilarious. And Zell Miller ! Oh. My. God. That is one insane, crazy
>mother****er. When he said "Armed forces armed with what, SPEETBAWLLS ?"
>I hit the floor in a heap.
>
>Of course I had smoked some highly efficacious attitude adjustment
>herbs. I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.


You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.
Harry Mason
www.troutflies.com

[Ken Fortenberry]

Bones wrote:
> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>> ... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
>
> You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Ken Fortenberry]

Bones wrote:
> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>> ... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
>
> You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Lat705]

If you can't resonably argue the message, attack the messenger.

[Lat705]

If you can't resonably argue the message, attack the messenger.

[Ken Fortenberry]

Scott Seidman wrote:

> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
>
> It's real funny, until they win!
> <snip>
> Things are way too close right now to laugh about anything.

Illinois is idiot-proof. Kerry takes Illinois' 21 EC votes in
a cake walk. You're in New York ? New York is idiot-proof too,
go ahead and laugh, you'll feel better.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Ken Fortenberry]

Scott Seidman wrote:

> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
>
> It's real funny, until they win!
> <snip>
> Things are way too close right now to laugh about anything.

Illinois is idiot-proof. Kerry takes Illinois' 21 EC votes in
a cake walk. You're in New York ? New York is idiot-proof too,
go ahead and laugh, you'll feel better.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[George Cleveland]

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:41:41 -0500, "Wolfgang" >
wrote:

>>
>> You *did* say I hadn't been posting here enough lately Greg and
>Cyli,
>> didn't you? Ephorons are hatching. TR to come
>
>Wow, this is VERY late for the Ephorons, ainna?
>
>Wolfgang


Yes it is somewhat late but they are still going strong on the River.
(Is my capitalizing the "R" in river too pretentious or precious?)

Seriously, a TR is already in the Outbox waiting for a few final
tweaks.

g.c.

[George Cleveland]

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:41:41 -0500, "Wolfgang" >
wrote:

>>
>> You *did* say I hadn't been posting here enough lately Greg and
>Cyli,
>> didn't you? Ephorons are hatching. TR to come
>
>Wow, this is VERY late for the Ephorons, ainna?
>
>Wolfgang


Yes it is somewhat late but they are still going strong on the River.
(Is my capitalizing the "R" in river too pretentious or precious?)

Seriously, a TR is already in the Outbox waiting for a few final
tweaks.

g.c.

[Bones]

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:45 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
> wrote:

>Bones wrote:
>> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>> ... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
>>
>> You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.
>
>You say that like it's a bad thing.

not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to treat.......
Harry Mason
www.troutflies.com

[Bones]

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:45 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
> wrote:

>Bones wrote:
>> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>> ... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
>>
>> You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.
>
>You say that like it's a bad thing.

not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to treat.......
Harry Mason
www.troutflies.com

[Wolfgang]

"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:41:41 -0500, "Wolfgang" >
> wrote:

> >Wow, this is VERY late for the Ephorons, ainna?
> >
> >Wolfgang
>
>
> Yes it is somewhat late but they are still going strong on the
River.

I remember them being pretty much an August phenomenon when I lived in
Amherst. But then, that was quite a while ago......my memory may be
faulty........and it was probably Amsterdam.

> (Is my capitalizing the "R" in river too pretentious or precious?)

Works for me.

> Seriously, a TR is already in the Outbox waiting for a few final
> tweaks.

Yah, sure......we're still waiting to find out what happened during
the smallmouth flotilla.

Wolfgang

[Wolfgang]

"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:41:41 -0500, "Wolfgang" >
> wrote:

> >Wow, this is VERY late for the Ephorons, ainna?
> >
> >Wolfgang
>
>
> Yes it is somewhat late but they are still going strong on the
River.

I remember them being pretty much an August phenomenon when I lived in
Amherst. But then, that was quite a while ago......my memory may be
faulty........and it was probably Amsterdam.

> (Is my capitalizing the "R" in river too pretentious or precious?)

Works for me.

> Seriously, a TR is already in the Outbox waiting for a few final
> tweaks.

Yah, sure......we're still waiting to find out what happened during
the smallmouth flotilla.

Wolfgang

[Scott Seidman]

Ken Fortenberry > wrote in
om:

> Scott Seidman wrote:
>
>> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>>... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
>>
>> It's real funny, until they win!
>> <snip>
>> Things are way too close right now to laugh about anything.
>
> Illinois is idiot-proof. Kerry takes Illinois' 21 EC votes in
> a cake walk. You're in New York ? New York is idiot-proof too,
> go ahead and laugh, you'll feel better.
>

A fine point. Its been a rough day. A laugh will do me good.

FWIW, I was down in FL for the weekend, and unprompted, my Cuban cabbie
started moaning about Bush while the radio spouted pre-convention news. He
swore there was no way in hell that Bush would take 80% of the Cuban vote
this time around.

In addition, the herb goes real well with Star Wars too. Just take a hit
every time someone mentions "The Force".

Scott

[Scott Seidman]

Ken Fortenberry > wrote in
om:

> Scott Seidman wrote:
>
>> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>>... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
>>
>> It's real funny, until they win!
>> <snip>
>> Things are way too close right now to laugh about anything.
>
> Illinois is idiot-proof. Kerry takes Illinois' 21 EC votes in
> a cake walk. You're in New York ? New York is idiot-proof too,
> go ahead and laugh, you'll feel better.
>

A fine point. Its been a rough day. A laugh will do me good.

FWIW, I was down in FL for the weekend, and unprompted, my Cuban cabbie
started moaning about Bush while the radio spouted pre-convention news. He
swore there was no way in hell that Bush would take 80% of the Cuban vote
this time around.

In addition, the herb goes real well with Star Wars too. Just take a hit
every time someone mentions "The Force".

Scott

[George Cleveland]

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:36:43 -0500, "Wolfgang" >
wrote:

>
>"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:41:41 -0500, "Wolfgang" >
>> wrote:
>
>> >Wow, this is VERY late for the Ephorons, ainna?
>> >
>> >Wolfgang
>>
>>
>> Yes it is somewhat late but they are still going strong on the
>River.
>
>I remember them being pretty much an August phenomenon when I lived in
>Amherst. But then, that was quite a while ago......my memory may be
>faulty........and it was probably Amsterdam.
>
>> (Is my capitalizing the "R" in river too pretentious or precious?)
>
>Works for me.
>
>> Seriously, a TR is already in the Outbox waiting for a few final
>> tweaks.
>
>Yah, sure......we're still waiting to find out what happened during
>the smallmouth flotilla.
>
>Wolfgang
>
What flotilla?

I had a hard time writing a TR which concerned a trip in which I was
the only one to catch fish. ;^)
Wouldn't want to make you and Joel look bad.

g.n.o.c.

"Noblisse Oblige" is my middle name. Either that or "Lazy"


g.l.c.

[George Cleveland]

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:36:43 -0500, "Wolfgang" >
wrote:

>
>"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:41:41 -0500, "Wolfgang" >
>> wrote:
>
>> >Wow, this is VERY late for the Ephorons, ainna?
>> >
>> >Wolfgang
>>
>>
>> Yes it is somewhat late but they are still going strong on the
>River.
>
>I remember them being pretty much an August phenomenon when I lived in
>Amherst. But then, that was quite a while ago......my memory may be
>faulty........and it was probably Amsterdam.
>
>> (Is my capitalizing the "R" in river too pretentious or precious?)
>
>Works for me.
>
>> Seriously, a TR is already in the Outbox waiting for a few final
>> tweaks.
>
>Yah, sure......we're still waiting to find out what happened during
>the smallmouth flotilla.
>
>Wolfgang
>
What flotilla?

I had a hard time writing a TR which concerned a trip in which I was
the only one to catch fish. ;^)
Wouldn't want to make you and Joel look bad.

g.n.o.c.

"Noblisse Oblige" is my middle name. Either that or "Lazy"


g.l.c.

[Larry L]

"Ken Fortenberry" > wrote

> I thought he was hilarious. Tear-streaming, belly-busting, knee-slapping
> hilarious.



What isn't at all funny is that 50% of the people in this country don't even
"get" the fact that evil can attack from within, and historically probably
has more often than as an external enemy.

Ken, maybe you can help me, you seem to spend a lot of time 'surfing'

I consider myself moderate, and fairly non-partisan. I've voted for more
Democrats than Republicans, but I've voted for both, and a Greenie or two.

When Bush and his gang took office I was displeased about how they got
there, but I can remember telling several friends, "Let's just give the guy
a chance." I meant it and tried to respect the man.

After 9/11 in one of his very first public statements (after he came out of
hiding) Bush said something very close to, "I knew right then we were at
war" At that thought he got a clear, but quickly suppressed, little ****
eating grin on his frickin face. That was the first second that I knew we
were in big trouble in this country. Anyone that has to fight back a grin
at the thought of war is unfit to own a gun, let alone command the world's
most powerful military.

But daddy had proved a war is great for popularity ratings. So, Jr.
gladly became a "war president" and used a pile of dead
bodies as the foundation for greatly increased "popularity" in a country
reeling in fear and uncertainty. It's a strategy that has worked far too
many times in history, as we all know.

.............

ANYway, I have been unsuccessfully trying to find a video clip of that
speech and his grin on the Net. Happen to know where it can be found?


............

[Larry L]

"Ken Fortenberry" > wrote

> I thought he was hilarious. Tear-streaming, belly-busting, knee-slapping
> hilarious.



What isn't at all funny is that 50% of the people in this country don't even
"get" the fact that evil can attack from within, and historically probably
has more often than as an external enemy.

Ken, maybe you can help me, you seem to spend a lot of time 'surfing'

I consider myself moderate, and fairly non-partisan. I've voted for more
Democrats than Republicans, but I've voted for both, and a Greenie or two.

When Bush and his gang took office I was displeased about how they got
there, but I can remember telling several friends, "Let's just give the guy
a chance." I meant it and tried to respect the man.

After 9/11 in one of his very first public statements (after he came out of
hiding) Bush said something very close to, "I knew right then we were at
war" At that thought he got a clear, but quickly suppressed, little ****
eating grin on his frickin face. That was the first second that I knew we
were in big trouble in this country. Anyone that has to fight back a grin
at the thought of war is unfit to own a gun, let alone command the world's
most powerful military.

But daddy had proved a war is great for popularity ratings. So, Jr.
gladly became a "war president" and used a pile of dead
bodies as the foundation for greatly increased "popularity" in a country
reeling in fear and uncertainty. It's a strategy that has worked far too
many times in history, as we all know.

.............

ANYway, I have been unsuccessfully trying to find a video clip of that
speech and his grin on the Net. Happen to know where it can be found?


............

[Ken Fortenberry]

Bones wrote:
>Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>Bones wrote:
>>>Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>>
>>>>... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>>>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
>>>
>>>You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.
>>
>>You say that like it's a bad thing.
>
> not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to treat.......

In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Ken Fortenberry]

Bones wrote:
>Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>Bones wrote:
>>>Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>>
>>>>... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>>>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
>>>
>>>You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.
>>
>>You say that like it's a bad thing.
>
> not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to treat.......

In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[William Claspy]

On 9/2/04 2:36 PM, in article , "Wolfgang"
> wrote:

>
> "George Cleveland" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:41:41 -0500, "Wolfgang" >
>> wrote:
>
>>> Wow, this is VERY late for the Ephorons, ainna?
>>>
>>> Wolfgang
>>
>>
>> Yes it is somewhat late but they are still going strong on the
> River.
>
> I remember them being pretty much an August phenomenon when I lived in
> Amherst.

They were hatching on the Au Sable last week. Just another data point.

Bill

[William Claspy]

On 9/2/04 2:36 PM, in article , "Wolfgang"
> wrote:

>
> "George Cleveland" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:41:41 -0500, "Wolfgang" >
>> wrote:
>
>>> Wow, this is VERY late for the Ephorons, ainna?
>>>
>>> Wolfgang
>>
>>
>> Yes it is somewhat late but they are still going strong on the
> River.
>
> I remember them being pretty much an August phenomenon when I lived in
> Amherst.

They were hatching on the Au Sable last week. Just another data point.

Bill

[Wolfgang]

"Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in
message om...
> Bones wrote:
> >Ken Fortenberry wrote:
> >>Bones wrote:
> >>>Ken Fortenberry wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
> >>>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
> >>>
> >>>You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.
> >>
> >>You say that like it's a bad thing.
> >
> > not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to
treat.......
>
> In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
> morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
> help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.

Amazing. Have you ever wondered how life might be different if there
were some correspondence between what you say and what you THINK you
are saying? :)

Wolfgang

[Wolfgang]

"Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in
message om...
> Bones wrote:
> >Ken Fortenberry wrote:
> >>Bones wrote:
> >>>Ken Fortenberry wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
> >>>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
> >>>
> >>>You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.
> >>
> >>You say that like it's a bad thing.
> >
> > not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to
treat.......
>
> In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
> morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
> help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.

Amazing. Have you ever wondered how life might be different if there
were some correspondence between what you say and what you THINK you
are saying? :)

Wolfgang

[Charlie Choc]

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:05:44 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
> wrote:

>In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
>morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
>help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.

I don't think your medicine masks your symptoms as well as you think.
--
Charlie...

[Charlie Choc]

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:05:44 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
> wrote:

>In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
>morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
>help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.

I don't think your medicine masks your symptoms as well as you think.
--
Charlie...

[Ken Fortenberry]

Charlie Choc wrote:
> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>
>>In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
>>morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
>>help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.
>
> I don't think ...

**** you, Choc.

And how 'bout that Zell Miller, huh ? You Georgians must be
so proud of your "mad marine."

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Ken Fortenberry]

Charlie Choc wrote:
> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>
>>In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
>>morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
>>help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.
>
> I don't think ...

**** you, Choc.

And how 'bout that Zell Miller, huh ? You Georgians must be
so proud of your "mad marine."

--
Ken Fortenberry

[bones]

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:35:27 -0500, "Wolfgang" >
wrote:

>
>"Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in
>message om...
>> Bones wrote:
>> >Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>> >>Bones wrote:
>> >>>Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>> >>>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
>> >>>
>> >>>You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.
>> >>
>> >>You say that like it's a bad thing.
>> >
>> > not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to
>treat.......
>>
>> In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
>> morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
>> help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.
>
>Amazing. Have you ever wondered how life might be different if there
>were some correspondence between what you say and what you THINK you
>are saying? :)
>
>Wolfgang
>

Your right, there is a certain disconnect here , must be the Meds :-)
Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

[bones]

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:35:27 -0500, "Wolfgang" >
wrote:

>
>"Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in
>message om...
>> Bones wrote:
>> >Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>> >>Bones wrote:
>> >>>Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>> >>>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
>> >>>
>> >>>You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.
>> >>
>> >>You say that like it's a bad thing.
>> >
>> > not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to
>treat.......
>>
>> In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
>> morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
>> help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.
>
>Amazing. Have you ever wondered how life might be different if there
>were some correspondence between what you say and what you THINK you
>are saying? :)
>
>Wolfgang
>

Your right, there is a certain disconnect here , must be the Meds :-)
Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

In article >,
says...

> In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
> morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
> help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.

I suppose it does keep them occupied for a while. :-)
- Ken

In article >,
says...

> In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
> morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
> help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.

I suppose it does keep them occupied for a while. :-)
- Ken

[Ken Fortenberry]

wrote:
> says...
>
>>In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
>>morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
>>help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.
>
> I suppose it does keep them occupied for a while. :-)

Good grief. This ain't lit-rit-chaw we're committing here, it's
conversation. Anybody who wanted to understand that sentence in
context could have easily done so, but because it was ambiguous
the usual wisenheimers are out in force and getting their yuks.

You're welcome, ;-) and please allow me to rephrase:

In the US there is no permanent cure for the quadrennial parade
of idiots, fools and morons called the Republican Convention but
a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can help alleviate
the nausea it causes for a brief while.

HTH

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Ken Fortenberry]

wrote:
> says...
>
>>In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
>>morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
>>help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.
>
> I suppose it does keep them occupied for a while. :-)

Good grief. This ain't lit-rit-chaw we're committing here, it's
conversation. Anybody who wanted to understand that sentence in
context could have easily done so, but because it was ambiguous
the usual wisenheimers are out in force and getting their yuks.

You're welcome, ;-) and please allow me to rephrase:

In the US there is no permanent cure for the quadrennial parade
of idiots, fools and morons called the Republican Convention but
a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can help alleviate
the nausea it causes for a brief while.

HTH

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Wolfgang]

"bones" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:35:27 -0500, "Wolfgang" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in
> >message om...


> >> In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
> >> morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
> >> help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.
> >
> >Amazing. Have you ever wondered how life might be different if there
> >were some correspondence between what you say and what you THINK you
> >are saying? :)
> >
> >Wolfgang
> >
>
> Your right, there is a certain disconnect here ,

The interesting thing is that what he THINKS he's saying is just plain
stupid, while what he SAYS makes perfect sense.

> must be the Meds :-)

Exactly! :)

Wolfgang
well......partly......there's also what he's medicating FOR.

[Wolfgang]

"bones" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:35:27 -0500, "Wolfgang" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in
> >message om...


> >> In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
> >> morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
> >> help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.
> >
> >Amazing. Have you ever wondered how life might be different if there
> >were some correspondence between what you say and what you THINK you
> >are saying? :)
> >
> >Wolfgang
> >
>
> Your right, there is a certain disconnect here ,

The interesting thing is that what he THINKS he's saying is just plain
stupid, while what he SAYS makes perfect sense.

> must be the Meds :-)

Exactly! :)

Wolfgang
well......partly......there's also what he's medicating FOR.

[Tom Littleton]

daytripper writes:
>The bloated pus bag puppeteer is evil incarnate. Why WAY more than half the
>country doesn't see it is beyond my comprehension.

scarier to me is the level of alienation and divisive discourse we are getting
to view as routine. I heard one commentator note that the US was as divided as
it had been since the Civil War. Chilling to hear this week was an interview on
NPR with Norman Podhoretz, a founding neocon. When asked what discourse he
maintained with liberal friends, he calmly noted that, not only did he have NO
liberal friends anymore, he felt that it was impossible for a true conservative
to maintain friendship with liberals. Is this what we are coming to, and if so,
where does that leave our national security? As noted by a prominent Republican
past, "a house divided against itself cannot stand". Both sides of the divide
might note this issue, as I see neither addressing it......
Tom

[Tom Littleton]

daytripper writes:
>The bloated pus bag puppeteer is evil incarnate. Why WAY more than half the
>country doesn't see it is beyond my comprehension.

scarier to me is the level of alienation and divisive discourse we are getting
to view as routine. I heard one commentator note that the US was as divided as
it had been since the Civil War. Chilling to hear this week was an interview on
NPR with Norman Podhoretz, a founding neocon. When asked what discourse he
maintained with liberal friends, he calmly noted that, not only did he have NO
liberal friends anymore, he felt that it was impossible for a true conservative
to maintain friendship with liberals. Is this what we are coming to, and if so,
where does that leave our national security? As noted by a prominent Republican
past, "a house divided against itself cannot stand". Both sides of the divide
might note this issue, as I see neither addressing it......
Tom

[George Cleveland]

On 02 Sep 2004 23:36:05 GMT, (Tom Littleton) wrote:

>daytripper writes:
>>The bloated pus bag puppeteer is evil incarnate. Why WAY more than half the
>>country doesn't see it is beyond my comprehension.
>
>scarier to me is the level of alienation and divisive discourse we are getting
>to view as routine. I heard one commentator note that the US was as divided as
>it had been since the Civil War. Chilling to hear this week was an interview on
>NPR with Norman Podhoretz, a founding neocon. When asked what discourse he
>maintained with liberal friends, he calmly noted that, not only did he have NO
>liberal friends anymore, he felt that it was impossible for a true conservative
>to maintain friendship with liberals. Is this what we are coming to, and if so,
>where does that leave our national security? As noted by a prominent Republican
>past, "a house divided against itself cannot stand". Both sides of the divide
>might note this issue, as I see neither addressing it......
> Tom


And that Tom is exactly what I was asking. When you label someone as
evil how can you co-operate with them at any level without feeling you
are aiding evil itself? Is evil a relative or an absolute term?


g.c.

[George Cleveland]

On 02 Sep 2004 23:36:05 GMT, (Tom Littleton) wrote:

>daytripper writes:
>>The bloated pus bag puppeteer is evil incarnate. Why WAY more than half the
>>country doesn't see it is beyond my comprehension.
>
>scarier to me is the level of alienation and divisive discourse we are getting
>to view as routine. I heard one commentator note that the US was as divided as
>it had been since the Civil War. Chilling to hear this week was an interview on
>NPR with Norman Podhoretz, a founding neocon. When asked what discourse he
>maintained with liberal friends, he calmly noted that, not only did he have NO
>liberal friends anymore, he felt that it was impossible for a true conservative
>to maintain friendship with liberals. Is this what we are coming to, and if so,
>where does that leave our national security? As noted by a prominent Republican
>past, "a house divided against itself cannot stand". Both sides of the divide
>might note this issue, as I see neither addressing it......
> Tom


And that Tom is exactly what I was asking. When you label someone as
evil how can you co-operate with them at any level without feeling you
are aiding evil itself? Is evil a relative or an absolute term?


g.c.

[Tom Littleton]

George asks:
>When you label someone as
>evil how can you co-operate with them at any level without feeling you
>are aiding evil itself?

Geez, you ask tough questions....willya stick to the trip reports, George!!
Seriously, your point is well taken, and the answer, to be consistent would be
that you cannot.

>Is evil a relative or an absolute term?

it would seem pretty absolute. And yes, I do worry about the direction Cheney
and his neocon buddies are taking this nation down. I do think they are the
ones, both politically and in the media, who have fueled the divisive
atmosphere(although neither side is blameless). I actually have moments where I
worry how this entire regime will handle it when Kerry wins, if he does win. I
really fear some hokey suspension of law, state of emergency or the like, and
hope I am wrong about the lack of character of these folks.
Tom

[Tom Littleton]

George asks:
>When you label someone as
>evil how can you co-operate with them at any level without feeling you
>are aiding evil itself?

Geez, you ask tough questions....willya stick to the trip reports, George!!
Seriously, your point is well taken, and the answer, to be consistent would be
that you cannot.

>Is evil a relative or an absolute term?

it would seem pretty absolute. And yes, I do worry about the direction Cheney
and his neocon buddies are taking this nation down. I do think they are the
ones, both politically and in the media, who have fueled the divisive
atmosphere(although neither side is blameless). I actually have moments where I
worry how this entire regime will handle it when Kerry wins, if he does win. I
really fear some hokey suspension of law, state of emergency or the like, and
hope I am wrong about the lack of character of these folks.
Tom

[Tom Littleton]

George asks:
>When you label someone as
>evil how can you co-operate with them at any level without feeling you
>are aiding evil itself?

Geez, you ask tough questions....willya stick to the trip reports, George!!
Seriously, your point is well taken, and the answer, to be consistent would be
that you cannot.

>Is evil a relative or an absolute term?

it would seem pretty absolute. And yes, I do worry about the direction Cheney
and his neocon buddies are taking this nation down. I do think they are the
ones, both politically and in the media, who have fueled the divisive
atmosphere(although neither side is blameless). I actually have moments where I
worry how this entire regime will handle it when Kerry wins, if he does win. I
really fear some hokey suspension of law, state of emergency or the like, and
hope I am wrong about the lack of character of these folks.
Tom

[George Cleveland]

On 3 Sep 2004 00:25:38 GMT, "David Snedeker"
> wrote:

>
>"Tom Littleton" > wrote in message
...
>
>As a sidenote . . .
>As one of the NGs Silverbacks, I find it incredible that the conservatives
>in the Republican Party have been bambozzled by the "NEOCONS" like Norman
>Podhoretz. Norman Podhoretz is from a notorious Trotskyite Communist
>backround, as is William Krystol and several other prominant "NEOCONS."
>
>The doctrine of pre-emptive war, the drive to control the energy producing
>areas and supress Arab Nationalism, the doctrine of continuous war, the
>attack on personal freedoms, etc are all direct borrowings from the
>Trotskyite playbook, and were policies that split the Communist
>International in the 1940's. Even penetration of democratic political
>parties, like the Republicans (and the Democrats) was a widely discussed
>tactic of the Trotskyites. That this group should have its sucess in the
>penetration of the Republicans is an amazing irony of history. John Birch
>must be turning in his grave!
>
>The scary thing is if history continues this replay. Because . . . in the
>run-up to the Fascist/National Socialist takeover of Germany, the business
>classes and the conservative social and religous parties, felt THEY (like
>Bush and the "R"s) were using Hitler and the Brownshirts (substitute
>"NEOCONS) to bolster the nation. However, the Fascists (like the NEOCONS)
>had ideas of their own.
>
>Lord I hope Im wrong.
>
>Dave
>
>
Now that is interesting. Of course I knew that Podhertz was a red
diaper baby ( As am I, sort of. Shirt tail relatives fought with the
Abe Lincoln Brigade in Spain in the 30s. Even closer ones were black
listed because they were self admitted Reds.). But I didn't know that
Krystol was one too. While I don't think they are still interested in
fomenting a world wide Proletarian revolution, certainly their view of
how the world works would be influenced by their up bringing.

g.c.

[George Cleveland]

On 3 Sep 2004 00:25:38 GMT, "David Snedeker"
> wrote:

>
>"Tom Littleton" > wrote in message
...
>
>As a sidenote . . .
>As one of the NGs Silverbacks, I find it incredible that the conservatives
>in the Republican Party have been bambozzled by the "NEOCONS" like Norman
>Podhoretz. Norman Podhoretz is from a notorious Trotskyite Communist
>backround, as is William Krystol and several other prominant "NEOCONS."
>
>The doctrine of pre-emptive war, the drive to control the energy producing
>areas and supress Arab Nationalism, the doctrine of continuous war, the
>attack on personal freedoms, etc are all direct borrowings from the
>Trotskyite playbook, and were policies that split the Communist
>International in the 1940's. Even penetration of democratic political
>parties, like the Republicans (and the Democrats) was a widely discussed
>tactic of the Trotskyites. That this group should have its sucess in the
>penetration of the Republicans is an amazing irony of history. John Birch
>must be turning in his grave!
>
>The scary thing is if history continues this replay. Because . . . in the
>run-up to the Fascist/National Socialist takeover of Germany, the business
>classes and the conservative social and religous parties, felt THEY (like
>Bush and the "R"s) were using Hitler and the Brownshirts (substitute
>"NEOCONS) to bolster the nation. However, the Fascists (like the NEOCONS)
>had ideas of their own.
>
>Lord I hope Im wrong.
>
>Dave
>
>
Now that is interesting. Of course I knew that Podhertz was a red
diaper baby ( As am I, sort of. Shirt tail relatives fought with the
Abe Lincoln Brigade in Spain in the 30s. Even closer ones were black
listed because they were self admitted Reds.). But I didn't know that
Krystol was one too. While I don't think they are still interested in
fomenting a world wide Proletarian revolution, certainly their view of
how the world works would be influenced by their up bringing.

g.c.

[bones]

On 2 Sep 2004 23:55:07 GMT, "David Snedeker"
> wrote:

>
>"Bones" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:45 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Bones wrote:
>> >> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>> >>> ... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>> >>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
>> >>
>> >> You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.
>> >
>> >You say that like it's a bad thing.
>>
>> not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to treat.......
>> Harry Mason
>> www.troutflies.com
>
>Who knows? Is it true that Rush was taking 50-100 oxycontins for some
>"ailment"("hillbilly Heroin)? Or was it Hydrocodone 50s? Anal warts I
>understand. But then meth is the drug of choice in the "R" belt, and real
>heroin is flowing again massively out of Afganistan now that they are
>"free." So I guess its time to crack down on pot again.
>
>Dave
>
>
went by you like a shot Dave... hearing that constant whistling sound
must be a great distraction for you
Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

[bones]

On 2 Sep 2004 23:55:07 GMT, "David Snedeker"
> wrote:

>
>"Bones" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:45 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Bones wrote:
>> >> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>> >>> ... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>> >>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
>> >>
>> >> You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.
>> >
>> >You say that like it's a bad thing.
>>
>> not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to treat.......
>> Harry Mason
>> www.troutflies.com
>
>Who knows? Is it true that Rush was taking 50-100 oxycontins for some
>"ailment"("hillbilly Heroin)? Or was it Hydrocodone 50s? Anal warts I
>understand. But then meth is the drug of choice in the "R" belt, and real
>heroin is flowing again massively out of Afganistan now that they are
>"free." So I guess its time to crack down on pot again.
>
>Dave
>
>
went by you like a shot Dave... hearing that constant whistling sound
must be a great distraction for you
Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

[Wolfgang]

"Tom Littleton" > wrote in message
...
> George asks:
> >When you label someone as
> >evil how can you co-operate with them at any level without feeling you
> >are aiding evil itself?
>
> Geez, you ask tough questions....willya stick to the trip reports,
George!!
> Seriously, your point is well taken, and the answer, to be consistent
would be
> that you cannot.
>
> >Is evil a relative or an absolute term?
>
> it would seem pretty absolute. And yes, I do worry about the direction
Cheney
> and his neocon buddies are taking this nation down. I do think they are
the
> ones, both politically and in the media, who have fueled the divisive
> atmosphere(although neither side is blameless). I actually have moments
where I
> worry how this entire regime will handle it when Kerry wins, if he does
win. I
> really fear some hokey suspension of law, state of emergency or the like,
and
> hope I am wrong about the lack of character of these folks.
> Tom

As interesting and important as George's question is, I'm afraid that, like
the upcoming election here in the U.S., it is largely moot. Forces have
been set in motion that are sending and will continue to send shock waves
around the world for decades. What's going on today isn't like that
silliness that nobody much gave a **** about over in southeast Asia thirty
years ago. THIS **** is serious.....and it's only going to get more so.
Those of us who don't already feel like Cole Sear soon will. Get used to
it.

Wolfgang
who, childless, is blessed.

[Wolfgang]

"Tom Littleton" > wrote in message
...
> George asks:
> >When you label someone as
> >evil how can you co-operate with them at any level without feeling you
> >are aiding evil itself?
>
> Geez, you ask tough questions....willya stick to the trip reports,
George!!
> Seriously, your point is well taken, and the answer, to be consistent
would be
> that you cannot.
>
> >Is evil a relative or an absolute term?
>
> it would seem pretty absolute. And yes, I do worry about the direction
Cheney
> and his neocon buddies are taking this nation down. I do think they are
the
> ones, both politically and in the media, who have fueled the divisive
> atmosphere(although neither side is blameless). I actually have moments
where I
> worry how this entire regime will handle it when Kerry wins, if he does
win. I
> really fear some hokey suspension of law, state of emergency or the like,
and
> hope I am wrong about the lack of character of these folks.
> Tom

As interesting and important as George's question is, I'm afraid that, like
the upcoming election here in the U.S., it is largely moot. Forces have
been set in motion that are sending and will continue to send shock waves
around the world for decades. What's going on today isn't like that
silliness that nobody much gave a **** about over in southeast Asia thirty
years ago. THIS **** is serious.....and it's only going to get more so.
Those of us who don't already feel like Cole Sear soon will. Get used to
it.

Wolfgang
who, childless, is blessed.

[B J Conner]

"David Snedeker" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tom Littleton" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> As a sidenote . . .
> As one of the NGs Silverbacks, I find it incredible that the conservatives
> in the Republican Party have been bambozzled by the "NEOCONS" like Norman
> Podhoretz. Norman Podhoretz is from a notorious Trotskyite Communist
> backround, as is William Krystol and several other prominant "NEOCONS."
>
> The doctrine of pre-emptive war, the drive to control the energy producing
> areas and supress Arab Nationalism, the doctrine of continuous war, the
> attack on personal freedoms, etc are all direct borrowings from the
> Trotskyite playbook, and were policies that split the Communist
> International in the 1940's. Even penetration of democratic political
> parties, like the Republicans (and the Democrats) was a widely discussed
> tactic of the Trotskyites. That this group should have its sucess in the
> penetration of the Republicans is an amazing irony of history. John Birch
> must be turning in his grave!
>
> The scary thing is if history continues this replay. Because . . . in the
> run-up to the Fascist/National Socialist takeover of Germany, the business
> classes and the conservative social and religous parties, felt THEY (like
> Bush and the "R"s) were using Hitler and the Brownshirts (substitute
> "NEOCONS) to bolster the nation. However, the Fascists (like the NEOCONS)
> had ideas of their own.
>
> Lord I hope Im wrong.
>
> Dave

I hope your wrong too, but never underestimate the power of stupid people in
large groups ( especialy if they have money).

[B J Conner]

"David Snedeker" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tom Littleton" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> As a sidenote . . .
> As one of the NGs Silverbacks, I find it incredible that the conservatives
> in the Republican Party have been bambozzled by the "NEOCONS" like Norman
> Podhoretz. Norman Podhoretz is from a notorious Trotskyite Communist
> backround, as is William Krystol and several other prominant "NEOCONS."
>
> The doctrine of pre-emptive war, the drive to control the energy producing
> areas and supress Arab Nationalism, the doctrine of continuous war, the
> attack on personal freedoms, etc are all direct borrowings from the
> Trotskyite playbook, and were policies that split the Communist
> International in the 1940's. Even penetration of democratic political
> parties, like the Republicans (and the Democrats) was a widely discussed
> tactic of the Trotskyites. That this group should have its sucess in the
> penetration of the Republicans is an amazing irony of history. John Birch
> must be turning in his grave!
>
> The scary thing is if history continues this replay. Because . . . in the
> run-up to the Fascist/National Socialist takeover of Germany, the business
> classes and the conservative social and religous parties, felt THEY (like
> Bush and the "R"s) were using Hitler and the Brownshirts (substitute
> "NEOCONS) to bolster the nation. However, the Fascists (like the NEOCONS)
> had ideas of their own.
>
> Lord I hope Im wrong.
>
> Dave

I hope your wrong too, but never underestimate the power of stupid people in
large groups ( especialy if they have money).

[bones]

On 3 Sep 2004 02:01:10 GMT, "David Snedeker"
> wrote:

>
>"bones" > wrote in message
...
>> On 2 Sep 2004 23:55:07 GMT, "David Snedeker"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Bones" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:45 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Bones wrote:
>> >> >> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>> >> >>> ... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>> >> >>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.
>> >> >
>> >> >You say that like it's a bad thing.
>> >>
>> >> not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to treat.......
>> >> Harry Mason
>> >> www.troutflies.com
>> >
>> >Who knows? Is it true that Rush was taking 50-100 oxycontins for some
>> >"ailment"("hillbilly Heroin)? Or was it Hydrocodone 50s? Anal warts I
>> >understand. But then meth is the drug of choice in the "R" belt, and
>real
>> >heroin is flowing again massively out of Afganistan now that they are
>> >"free." So I guess its time to crack down on pot again.
>> >
>> >Dave
>> >
>> >
>> went by you like a shot Dave... hearing that constant whistling sound
>> must be a great distraction for you
>> Harry Mason
>> www.Troutflies.com
>
>I'll tell you Bones, you are just one sharp cookie. Can't put anything over
>on you. (Besides I may need some classy flies one of these days.) But you
>got to admit you were all wet on whether or not the Enronites were cheating
>on the energy "crisis" in California. Not now that they got them on tape
>yuking it up on how they were screwing you folk. Come-on, even a dyed in the
>woolly, rock rib such as yourself cannot like being robbed? Told ya.
>:-)
>
>Dave
>
Yeah right, whatever :-)
Not to worry,I sell to all style of Marxist's. The Red Butted Skunk
is a top mover :-)
I'm working on a cripple ... that one should be a good one as well :-)

I don't remember defending Enron and I pity the poor SOB that is
assigned that task... I did, however say to take a look at LA Water
and Power... they "stole" as much, if not more...and the CEO then
became Davis's energy Tsar. That got glossed over (read omitted) by
the LA Times, yet another bastion of Red Butted Skunk buyers :-)


Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

[bones]

On 3 Sep 2004 02:01:10 GMT, "David Snedeker"
> wrote:

>
>"bones" > wrote in message
...
>> On 2 Sep 2004 23:55:07 GMT, "David Snedeker"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Bones" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:45 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Bones wrote:
>> >> >> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>> >> >>> ... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
>> >> >>>strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.
>> >> >
>> >> >You say that like it's a bad thing.
>> >>
>> >> not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to treat.......
>> >> Harry Mason
>> >> www.troutflies.com
>> >
>> >Who knows? Is it true that Rush was taking 50-100 oxycontins for some
>> >"ailment"("hillbilly Heroin)? Or was it Hydrocodone 50s? Anal warts I
>> >understand. But then meth is the drug of choice in the "R" belt, and
>real
>> >heroin is flowing again massively out of Afganistan now that they are
>> >"free." So I guess its time to crack down on pot again.
>> >
>> >Dave
>> >
>> >
>> went by you like a shot Dave... hearing that constant whistling sound
>> must be a great distraction for you
>> Harry Mason
>> www.Troutflies.com
>
>I'll tell you Bones, you are just one sharp cookie. Can't put anything over
>on you. (Besides I may need some classy flies one of these days.) But you
>got to admit you were all wet on whether or not the Enronites were cheating
>on the energy "crisis" in California. Not now that they got them on tape
>yuking it up on how they were screwing you folk. Come-on, even a dyed in the
>woolly, rock rib such as yourself cannot like being robbed? Told ya.
>:-)
>
>Dave
>
Yeah right, whatever :-)
Not to worry,I sell to all style of Marxist's. The Red Butted Skunk
is a top mover :-)
I'm working on a cripple ... that one should be a good one as well :-)

I don't remember defending Enron and I pity the poor SOB that is
assigned that task... I did, however say to take a look at LA Water
and Power... they "stole" as much, if not more...and the CEO then
became Davis's energy Tsar. That got glossed over (read omitted) by
the LA Times, yet another bastion of Red Butted Skunk buyers :-)


Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

[rw]

Lat705 wrote:
> If you can't resonably argue the message, attack the messenger.

The message was a pack of lies.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

[rw]

Lat705 wrote:
> If you can't resonably argue the message, attack the messenger.

The message was a pack of lies.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

[Conan the Librarian]

Larry L wrote:

> After 9/11 in one of his very first public statements (after he came out of
> hiding) Bush said something very close to, "I knew right then we were at
> war" At that thought he got a clear, but quickly suppressed, little ****
> eating grin on his frickin face. That was the first second that I knew we
> were in big trouble in this country. Anyone that has to fight back a grin
> at the thought of war is unfit to own a gun, let alone command the world's
> most powerful military.
>
> But daddy had proved a war is great for popularity ratings. So, Jr.
> gladly became a "war president" and used a pile of dead
> bodies as the foundation for greatly increased "popularity" in a country
> reeling in fear and uncertainty. It's a strategy that has worked far too
> many times in history, as we all know.
>
> ............
>
> ANYway, I have been unsuccessfully trying to find a video clip of that
> speech and his grin on the Net. Happen to know where it can be found?

Bush is sometimes referred to as "the Smirk", and I think that's
what you were witnessing. If you watch any of his speeches, you'll see
that little twisted expression several times per speech. Personally, I
think that what's running through his mind at those moments is something
like, "Damn, I can't believe I'm the f*ck*ng prez! All I ever wanted to
be was the baseball commish, but look at me now!!".

As for your point about using a war for popularity -- I imagine
Dubya caught on pretty quickly to how good it is to have a foreign enemy
to unite folks behind him. (And if he didn't realize it at first, you
know that Cheney and Rumsfeld were quick to point it out.) It gave him a
chance to do some macho posturing; it gave him the whole Fatherland ...
er ... Homeland security trump card to fall back on; he gets to label
dissenters with the "unpatriotic" tag; plus folks will forgive him if he
doesn't have time for domestic issues.

Yep, war is good for bidness.


Chuck Vance

[Conan the Librarian]

Larry L wrote:

> After 9/11 in one of his very first public statements (after he came out of
> hiding) Bush said something very close to, "I knew right then we were at
> war" At that thought he got a clear, but quickly suppressed, little ****
> eating grin on his frickin face. That was the first second that I knew we
> were in big trouble in this country. Anyone that has to fight back a grin
> at the thought of war is unfit to own a gun, let alone command the world's
> most powerful military.
>
> But daddy had proved a war is great for popularity ratings. So, Jr.
> gladly became a "war president" and used a pile of dead
> bodies as the foundation for greatly increased "popularity" in a country
> reeling in fear and uncertainty. It's a strategy that has worked far too
> many times in history, as we all know.
>
> ............
>
> ANYway, I have been unsuccessfully trying to find a video clip of that
> speech and his grin on the Net. Happen to know where it can be found?

Bush is sometimes referred to as "the Smirk", and I think that's
what you were witnessing. If you watch any of his speeches, you'll see
that little twisted expression several times per speech. Personally, I
think that what's running through his mind at those moments is something
like, "Damn, I can't believe I'm the f*ck*ng prez! All I ever wanted to
be was the baseball commish, but look at me now!!".

As for your point about using a war for popularity -- I imagine
Dubya caught on pretty quickly to how good it is to have a foreign enemy
to unite folks behind him. (And if he didn't realize it at first, you
know that Cheney and Rumsfeld were quick to point it out.) It gave him a
chance to do some macho posturing; it gave him the whole Fatherland ...
er ... Homeland security trump card to fall back on; he gets to label
dissenters with the "unpatriotic" tag; plus folks will forgive him if he
doesn't have time for domestic issues.

Yep, war is good for bidness.


Chuck Vance

[Conan the Librarian]

Larry L wrote:

> After 9/11 in one of his very first public statements (after he came out of
> hiding) Bush said something very close to, "I knew right then we were at
> war" At that thought he got a clear, but quickly suppressed, little ****
> eating grin on his frickin face. That was the first second that I knew we
> were in big trouble in this country. Anyone that has to fight back a grin
> at the thought of war is unfit to own a gun, let alone command the world's
> most powerful military.
>
> But daddy had proved a war is great for popularity ratings. So, Jr.
> gladly became a "war president" and used a pile of dead
> bodies as the foundation for greatly increased "popularity" in a country
> reeling in fear and uncertainty. It's a strategy that has worked far too
> many times in history, as we all know.
>
> ............
>
> ANYway, I have been unsuccessfully trying to find a video clip of that
> speech and his grin on the Net. Happen to know where it can be found?

Bush is sometimes referred to as "the Smirk", and I think that's
what you were witnessing. If you watch any of his speeches, you'll see
that little twisted expression several times per speech. Personally, I
think that what's running through his mind at those moments is something
like, "Damn, I can't believe I'm the f*ck*ng prez! All I ever wanted to
be was the baseball commish, but look at me now!!".

As for your point about using a war for popularity -- I imagine
Dubya caught on pretty quickly to how good it is to have a foreign enemy
to unite folks behind him. (And if he didn't realize it at first, you
know that Cheney and Rumsfeld were quick to point it out.) It gave him a
chance to do some macho posturing; it gave him the whole Fatherland ...
er ... Homeland security trump card to fall back on; he gets to label
dissenters with the "unpatriotic" tag; plus folks will forgive him if he
doesn't have time for domestic issues.

Yep, war is good for bidness.


Chuck Vance

[Wolfgang]

"Conan the Librarian" > wrote in message
...
> ...I imagine
> Dubya caught on pretty quickly to how good it is to have a foreign
enemy
> to unite folks behind him. (And if he didn't realize it at first,
you
> know that Cheney and Rumsfeld were quick to point it out.) It gave
him a
> chance to do some macho posturing; it gave him the whole Fatherland
....
> er ... Homeland security trump card to fall back on; he gets to
label
> dissenters with the "unpatriotic" tag; plus folks will forgive him
if he
> doesn't have time for domestic issues.
>
> Yep, war is good for bidness.

Not only for business. War is also immensely popular as
entertainment. We owe our survival as a species to the fact that
historically war has been second only to sex as a leisure time
activity. For the moment, making babies is still more popular than
incinerating and exploding them. But, it's a precarious balance that
could, especially in this day of weapons of mass destruction in the
hands of immoral and irresponsible idiots, tip at any moment.

Wolfgang
c'mon seven.....baby needs a new pai......um......well, baby needs a
new shoe.

[GregP]

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:34:01 -0500, George Cleveland
> wrote:

>
>You *did* say I hadn't been posting here enough lately Greg and Cyli,
>didn't you?

Noooo, I didn't say that. I said that your posts didn't
seem to be making much of an impression, given
that Cyli said you hadn't been around in a while :-)

[GregP]

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:34:01 -0500, George Cleveland
> wrote:

>
>You *did* say I hadn't been posting here enough lately Greg and Cyli,
>didn't you?

Noooo, I didn't say that. I said that your posts didn't
seem to be making much of an impression, given
that Cyli said you hadn't been around in a while :-)

[GregP]

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:34:01 -0500, George Cleveland
> wrote:

>
>You *did* say I hadn't been posting here enough lately Greg and Cyli,
>didn't you?

Noooo, I didn't say that. I said that your posts didn't
seem to be making much of an impression, given
that Cyli said you hadn't been around in a while :-)

[Conan the Librarian]

Wolfgang wrote:

> Not only for business. War is also immensely popular as
> entertainment. We owe our survival as a species to the fact that
> historically war has been second only to sex as a leisure time
> activity. For the moment, making babies is still more popular than
> incinerating and exploding them. But, it's a precarious balance that
> could, especially in this day of weapons of mass destruction in the
> hands of immoral and irresponsible idiots, tip at any moment.

I think you're being a little hard on Dubya.


Chuck Vance (or is that Cheney ... or Rumsfeld ... or all of the
above?)

[Conan the Librarian]

Wolfgang wrote:

> Not only for business. War is also immensely popular as
> entertainment. We owe our survival as a species to the fact that
> historically war has been second only to sex as a leisure time
> activity. For the moment, making babies is still more popular than
> incinerating and exploding them. But, it's a precarious balance that
> could, especially in this day of weapons of mass destruction in the
> hands of immoral and irresponsible idiots, tip at any moment.

I think you're being a little hard on Dubya.


Chuck Vance (or is that Cheney ... or Rumsfeld ... or all of the
above?)

[Conan the Librarian]

Wolfgang wrote:

> Not only for business. War is also immensely popular as
> entertainment. We owe our survival as a species to the fact that
> historically war has been second only to sex as a leisure time
> activity. For the moment, making babies is still more popular than
> incinerating and exploding them. But, it's a precarious balance that
> could, especially in this day of weapons of mass destruction in the
> hands of immoral and irresponsible idiots, tip at any moment.

I think you're being a little hard on Dubya.


Chuck Vance (or is that Cheney ... or Rumsfeld ... or all of the
above?)

[GregP]

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:53:11 -0400, "Tim J."
> wrote:

>> Check out the birth date of his first daughter verses the date the
>> selective service did away with deferments for married men without
>> children.
>
>Hoo boy. I always read these threads with interest so I can keep
>informed of the far left thought process, but, BJ my friend, I think
>it's time to put away the tin foil party hats. Obviously, you've left
>yours on through a few lightning storms too many. ;-)


You weren't around then to know people who
did exactly that ? He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
before then and this was simply a way to get
another one when the path to others failed.

[GregP]

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:53:11 -0400, "Tim J."
> wrote:

>> Check out the birth date of his first daughter verses the date the
>> selective service did away with deferments for married men without
>> children.
>
>Hoo boy. I always read these threads with interest so I can keep
>informed of the far left thought process, but, BJ my friend, I think
>it's time to put away the tin foil party hats. Obviously, you've left
>yours on through a few lightning storms too many. ;-)


You weren't around then to know people who
did exactly that ? He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
before then and this was simply a way to get
another one when the path to others failed.

[Tim J.]

GregP wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:53:11 -0400, "Tim J."
> > wrote:
>
>>> Check out the birth date of his first daughter verses the date the
>>> selective service did away with deferments for married men without
>>> children.
>>
>> Hoo boy. I always read these threads with interest so I can keep
>> informed of the far left thought process, but, BJ my friend, I think
>> it's time to put away the tin foil party hats. Obviously, you've left
>> yours on through a few lightning storms too many. ;-)
>
> You weren't around then to know people who
> did exactly that ?

Yes.

> He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
> before then and this was simply a way to get
> another one when the path to others failed.

Hoo boy.... conspiracies EVERYWHERE! ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

[Tim J.]

GregP wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:53:11 -0400, "Tim J."
> > wrote:
>
>>> Check out the birth date of his first daughter verses the date the
>>> selective service did away with deferments for married men without
>>> children.
>>
>> Hoo boy. I always read these threads with interest so I can keep
>> informed of the far left thought process, but, BJ my friend, I think
>> it's time to put away the tin foil party hats. Obviously, you've left
>> yours on through a few lightning storms too many. ;-)
>
> You weren't around then to know people who
> did exactly that ?

Yes.

> He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
> before then and this was simply a way to get
> another one when the path to others failed.

Hoo boy.... conspiracies EVERYWHERE! ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

[GregP]

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:13:26 -0400, "Tim J."
> wrote:

>
>> He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
>> before then and this was simply a way to get
>> another one when the path to others failed.
>
>Hoo boy.... conspiracies EVERYWHERE! ;-)


A "conspiracy ?" I guess that's what the RNC
does to the faithful.

[GregP]

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:13:26 -0400, "Tim J."
> wrote:

>
>> He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
>> before then and this was simply a way to get
>> another one when the path to others failed.
>
>Hoo boy.... conspiracies EVERYWHERE! ;-)


A "conspiracy ?" I guess that's what the RNC
does to the faithful.

[Tim J.]

GregP wrote:
> Tim J. wrote:
>>
>>> He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
>>> before then and this was simply a way to get
>>> another one when the path to others failed.
>>
>> Hoo boy.... conspiracies EVERYWHERE! ;-)
>
>
> A "conspiracy ?"

Yup - I'm assuming there was a female involved.

> I guess that's what the RNC does to the faithful.

I wouldn't know. You'll have to to find out from one of them.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

[Tim J.]

GregP wrote:
> Tim J. wrote:
>>
>>> He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
>>> before then and this was simply a way to get
>>> another one when the path to others failed.
>>
>> Hoo boy.... conspiracies EVERYWHERE! ;-)
>
>
> A "conspiracy ?"

Yup - I'm assuming there was a female involved.

> I guess that's what the RNC does to the faithful.

I wouldn't know. You'll have to to find out from one of them.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

[rw]

Tim J. wrote:
> GregP wrote:
>
>>Tim J. wrote:
>>
>>>>He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
>>>> before then and this was simply a way to get
>>>> another one when the path to others failed.
>>>
>>>Hoo boy.... conspiracies EVERYWHERE! ;-)
>>
>>
>> A "conspiracy ?"
>
>
> Yup - I'm assuming there was a female involved.
>
>
>>I guess that's what the RNC does to the faithful.
>
>
> I wouldn't know. You'll have to to find out from one of them.

I agree with Tim on this one, and disagree with BJ Connor. BTW, I also
agree with John Kerry. Democrats (or liberals or whatever you want to
call them) shouldn't criticize Cheney's Vietnam-era deferments. After
all, Cheney himself said he "had other priorities," and I take him at
his word. He obviously had different priorities than Kerry, who served
"nobly," according to Bush.


--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

[rw]

Tim J. wrote:
> GregP wrote:
>
>>Tim J. wrote:
>>
>>>>He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
>>>> before then and this was simply a way to get
>>>> another one when the path to others failed.
>>>
>>>Hoo boy.... conspiracies EVERYWHERE! ;-)
>>
>>
>> A "conspiracy ?"
>
>
> Yup - I'm assuming there was a female involved.
>
>
>>I guess that's what the RNC does to the faithful.
>
>
> I wouldn't know. You'll have to to find out from one of them.

I agree with Tim on this one, and disagree with BJ Connor. BTW, I also
agree with John Kerry. Democrats (or liberals or whatever you want to
call them) shouldn't criticize Cheney's Vietnam-era deferments. After
all, Cheney himself said he "had other priorities," and I take him at
his word. He obviously had different priorities than Kerry, who served
"nobly," according to Bush.


--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

[Tim J.]

rw wrote:
> Tim J. wrote:
>> GregP wrote:
>>> Tim J. wrote:
>>>
>>>>> He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
>>>>> before then and this was simply a way to get
>>>>> another one when the path to others failed.
>>>>
>>>> Hoo boy.... conspiracies EVERYWHERE! ;-)
>>>
>>> A "conspiracy ?"
>>
>> Yup - I'm assuming there was a female involved.
>>
>>> I guess that's what the RNC does to the faithful.
>>
>> I wouldn't know. You'll have to to find out from one of them.
>
> I agree with Tim on this one . . .

Aw, ****! Now I have to rethink my whole position. :)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

[GregP]

On 3 Sep 2004 20:20:08 GMT, "David Snedeker"
> wrote:

>
>Greg do you seriously think that Tim would actually do any research
>whatsoever to check out the character of the guy he was told to vote for?


Actually, yes, I do. But that doesn't mean that he believes
anything he reads :-)

[GregP]

On 3 Sep 2004 20:20:08 GMT, "David Snedeker"
> wrote:

>
>Greg do you seriously think that Tim would actually do any research
>whatsoever to check out the character of the guy he was told to vote for?


Actually, yes, I do. But that doesn't mean that he believes
anything he reads :-)

[Tim J.]

GregP wrote:
> On 3 Sep 2004 20:20:08 GMT, "David Snedeker"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Greg do you seriously think that Tim would actually do any research
>> whatsoever to check out the character of the guy he was told to vote
>> for?
>
> Actually, yes, I do. But that doesn't mean that he believes
> anything he reads :-)

Very little, and certainly not much from roff. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

[Tim J.]

GregP wrote:
> On 3 Sep 2004 20:20:08 GMT, "David Snedeker"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Greg do you seriously think that Tim would actually do any research
>> whatsoever to check out the character of the guy he was told to vote
>> for?
>
> Actually, yes, I do. But that doesn't mean that he believes
> anything he reads :-)

Very little, and certainly not much from roff. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

[Wolfgang]

"Conan the Librarian" > wrote in message
...
> Wolfgang wrote:
>
> > Not only for business. War is also immensely popular as
> > entertainment. We owe our survival as a species to the fact that
> > historically war has been second only to sex as a leisure time
> > activity. For the moment, making babies is still more popular than
> > incinerating and exploding them. But, it's a precarious balance that
> > could, especially in this day of weapons of mass destruction in the
> > hands of immoral and irresponsible idiots, tip at any moment.
>
> I think you're being a little hard on Dubya.

Hm.......well, let's see. It's got LaCourse's love of peace, Findley's
razor intellect, Barnard's respect for humanity, Janik's compassion and
literacy, Snedeker's keen grasp of the global geopolitical scene......and
Kennie's stupiferous command of the language. So.....um.....no, on the
whole I'd say that I've accorded the muderous imbecile a great deal more
respect and consideration than it has deserved. I'll work on that.

> Chuck Vance (or is that Cheney ... or Rumsfeld ... or all of the
> above?)

I'm no authority on maggots with which I've had no contact.. I'll leave
them to their above mentioned brethren.

Wolfgang

[Wolfgang]

"Conan the Librarian" > wrote in message
...
> Wolfgang wrote:
>
> > Not only for business. War is also immensely popular as
> > entertainment. We owe our survival as a species to the fact that
> > historically war has been second only to sex as a leisure time
> > activity. For the moment, making babies is still more popular than
> > incinerating and exploding them. But, it's a precarious balance that
> > could, especially in this day of weapons of mass destruction in the
> > hands of immoral and irresponsible idiots, tip at any moment.
>
> I think you're being a little hard on Dubya.

Hm.......well, let's see. It's got LaCourse's love of peace, Findley's
razor intellect, Barnard's respect for humanity, Janik's compassion and
literacy, Snedeker's keen grasp of the global geopolitical scene......and
Kennie's stupiferous command of the language. So.....um.....no, on the
whole I'd say that I've accorded the muderous imbecile a great deal more
respect and consideration than it has deserved. I'll work on that.

> Chuck Vance (or is that Cheney ... or Rumsfeld ... or all of the
> above?)

I'm no authority on maggots with which I've had no contact.. I'll leave
them to their above mentioned brethren.

Wolfgang

[George Cleveland]

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:31:17 -0400, GregP >
wrote:

>On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:34:01 -0500, George Cleveland
> wrote:
>
>>
>>You *did* say I hadn't been posting here enough lately Greg and Cyli,
>>didn't you?
>
> Noooo, I didn't say that. I said that your posts didn't
> seem to be making much of an impression, given
> that Cyli said you hadn't been around in a while :-)
>
That is quite different from what I stated, isn't it. Sor..ooops.


g.c.

[George Cleveland]

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:31:17 -0400, GregP >
wrote:

>On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:34:01 -0500, George Cleveland
> wrote:
>
>>
>>You *did* say I hadn't been posting here enough lately Greg and Cyli,
>>didn't you?
>
> Noooo, I didn't say that. I said that your posts didn't
> seem to be making much of an impression, given
> that Cyli said you hadn't been around in a while :-)
>
That is quite different from what I stated, isn't it. Sor..ooops.


g.c.