Dropshotting

[John C. French]

What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear or stained,
weeds or gravel, etc. Any info anyone would like to give on conditions or
techniques is appreciated. I have tried several times with out success.

TIA

John C. French

[Bob La Londe]

My best guess based on my total lack of skill at the technique is....

Clear to lightly stained with scattered grass growing off the bottom upto as
tall as 2 feet. Depth being anywhere there are fish, but I can't see drop
shotting in really really shallow water. For really really really deep
water I think I would tend to look more at a Carolina rig.

However, there are some exceptions. I might use a drop shot in places where
I would flip or pitch like standing tulies in 3-6 feet of water if I felt a
more finesse presentation would work. Probably go more to a "Bubba
Shotting" type app in those cases using 20lb fluorocarbon and a hook with a
weedguard. I might even use a weight with a rattle built in. My
presentation for this would probably be gin clear water where I have seen
good fish. I would back way off from the tulies to near my maximum pitching
distance and be prepared to kick my trolling motor upto high and crash into
the tulies if I hooked up a good fish.

Just some thoughts. Your mileage will vary.

Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com




"John C. French" > wrote in message
. ..
> What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear or
stained,
> weeds or gravel, etc. Any info anyone would like to give on conditions or
> techniques is appreciated. I have tried several times with out success.
>
> TIA
>
> John C. French
>
>

[go-bassn]

You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've ds'ed in 1
foot of water with great success.

WW
"Bob La Londe" > wrote in message
news:1095444610.6+sikfEfLm5tfLwY/kq1RA@teranews...
> My best guess based on my total lack of skill at the technique is....
>
> Clear to lightly stained with scattered grass growing off the bottom upto
as
> tall as 2 feet. Depth being anywhere there are fish, but I can't see drop
> shotting in really really shallow water. For really really really deep
> water I think I would tend to look more at a Carolina rig.
>
> However, there are some exceptions. I might use a drop shot in places
where
> I would flip or pitch like standing tulies in 3-6 feet of water if I felt
a
> more finesse presentation would work. Probably go more to a "Bubba
> Shotting" type app in those cases using 20lb fluorocarbon and a hook with
a
> weedguard. I might even use a weight with a rattle built in. My
> presentation for this would probably be gin clear water where I have seen
> good fish. I would back way off from the tulies to near my maximum
pitching
> distance and be prepared to kick my trolling motor upto high and crash
into
> the tulies if I hooked up a good fish.
>
> Just some thoughts. Your mileage will vary.
>
> Bob La Londe
> www.YumaBassMan.com
>
>
>
>
> "John C. French" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear or
> stained,
> > weeds or gravel, etc. Any info anyone would like to give on conditions
or
> > techniques is appreciated. I have tried several times with out success.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > John C. French
> >
> >
>
>

[go-bassn]

You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've ds'ed in 1
foot of water with great success.

WW
"Bob La Londe" > wrote in message
news:1095444610.6+sikfEfLm5tfLwY/kq1RA@teranews...
> My best guess based on my total lack of skill at the technique is....
>
> Clear to lightly stained with scattered grass growing off the bottom upto
as
> tall as 2 feet. Depth being anywhere there are fish, but I can't see drop
> shotting in really really shallow water. For really really really deep
> water I think I would tend to look more at a Carolina rig.
>
> However, there are some exceptions. I might use a drop shot in places
where
> I would flip or pitch like standing tulies in 3-6 feet of water if I felt
a
> more finesse presentation would work. Probably go more to a "Bubba
> Shotting" type app in those cases using 20lb fluorocarbon and a hook with
a
> weedguard. I might even use a weight with a rattle built in. My
> presentation for this would probably be gin clear water where I have seen
> good fish. I would back way off from the tulies to near my maximum
pitching
> distance and be prepared to kick my trolling motor upto high and crash
into
> the tulies if I hooked up a good fish.
>
> Just some thoughts. Your mileage will vary.
>
> Bob La Londe
> www.YumaBassMan.com
>
>
>
>
> "John C. French" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear or
> stained,
> > weeds or gravel, etc. Any info anyone would like to give on conditions
or
> > techniques is appreciated. I have tried several times with out success.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > John C. French
> >
> >
>
>

[Steve & Chris Clark]

Warren, could you elaborate on that 1' DS method? Did you, by chance, use
it from a distance on bedded bass with a bobber stopper or was the plastic
of the floating variety?
--
Steve

"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've ds'ed in
1
> foot of water with great success.
>
> WW



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[Steve & Chris Clark]

Warren, could you elaborate on that 1' DS method? Did you, by chance, use
it from a distance on bedded bass with a bobber stopper or was the plastic
of the floating variety?
--
Steve

"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've ds'ed in
1
> foot of water with great success.
>
> WW



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[go-bassn]

I've done that too Steve. I'm not sure what you mean by the bobber
stopper/floating plastic. ds is deadly on bedders of both species,
especially in shallow water. I use about a 36" leader for shallow
dropshotting, everything else just the ordinary.

Warren

"Steve & Chris Clark" > wrote in message
...
> Warren, could you elaborate on that 1' DS method? Did you, by chance, use
> it from a distance on bedded bass with a bobber stopper or was the plastic
> of the floating variety?
> --
> Steve
>
> "go-bassn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've ds'ed
in
> 1
> > foot of water with great success.
> >
> > WW
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[go-bassn]

I've done that too Steve. I'm not sure what you mean by the bobber
stopper/floating plastic. ds is deadly on bedders of both species,
especially in shallow water. I use about a 36" leader for shallow
dropshotting, everything else just the ordinary.

Warren

"Steve & Chris Clark" > wrote in message
...
> Warren, could you elaborate on that 1' DS method? Did you, by chance, use
> it from a distance on bedded bass with a bobber stopper or was the plastic
> of the floating variety?
> --
> Steve
>
> "go-bassn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've ds'ed
in
> 1
> > foot of water with great success.
> >
> > WW
>
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[Steve & Chris Clark]

OK, I understand what you mean now. I was thinking you were using a DS rig
with a slider bobber, you know the ones that has the teeny rubber thingie
you slide on the line that is called a "stopper" because the float slides up
and down the line 'till it is "stopped" by the "bobber stopper". This
little rubber thing even comes through the eyes of the rod and lays in on
the spool of the reel. Good killer rig for suspending fish such as the
walleye and sometimes the SMB ;-)
With the floating plastic I was thinking you had the shot only inches away
from the floating plastic bait of some kind.
This weekend I am going to try a new method using the underwater camera,
with an old rod and a quick release attached on the camera end. There are
some huge fish suspending hooks on the graph at fifteen feet, wonder what
type of shotting ya call this? I always say"if at first you don't succeed,
cheat and then give up!" :-)
--
Steve
"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> I've done that too Steve. I'm not sure what you mean by the bobber
> stopper/floating plastic. ds is deadly on bedders of both species,
> especially in shallow water. I use about a 36" leader for shallow
> dropshotting, everything else just the ordinary.
>
> Warren
>
> "Steve & Chris Clark" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Warren, could you elaborate on that 1' DS method? Did you, by chance,
use
> > it from a distance on bedded bass with a bobber stopper or was the
plastic
> > of the floating variety?
> > --
> > Steve
> >
> > "go-bassn" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've ds'ed
> in
> > 1
> > > foot of water with great success.
> > >
> > > WW
> >
> >
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[Steve & Chris Clark]

OK, I understand what you mean now. I was thinking you were using a DS rig
with a slider bobber, you know the ones that has the teeny rubber thingie
you slide on the line that is called a "stopper" because the float slides up
and down the line 'till it is "stopped" by the "bobber stopper". This
little rubber thing even comes through the eyes of the rod and lays in on
the spool of the reel. Good killer rig for suspending fish such as the
walleye and sometimes the SMB ;-)
With the floating plastic I was thinking you had the shot only inches away
from the floating plastic bait of some kind.
This weekend I am going to try a new method using the underwater camera,
with an old rod and a quick release attached on the camera end. There are
some huge fish suspending hooks on the graph at fifteen feet, wonder what
type of shotting ya call this? I always say"if at first you don't succeed,
cheat and then give up!" :-)
--
Steve
"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> I've done that too Steve. I'm not sure what you mean by the bobber
> stopper/floating plastic. ds is deadly on bedders of both species,
> especially in shallow water. I use about a 36" leader for shallow
> dropshotting, everything else just the ordinary.
>
> Warren
>
> "Steve & Chris Clark" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Warren, could you elaborate on that 1' DS method? Did you, by chance,
use
> > it from a distance on bedded bass with a bobber stopper or was the
plastic
> > of the floating variety?
> > --
> > Steve
> >
> > "go-bassn" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've ds'ed
> in
> > 1
> > > foot of water with great success.
> > >
> > > WW
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[RichZ]

John wrote:
> What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear or stained,
> weeds or gravel, etc
>
YES!

see article below...

RichZ©
www.richz.com/fishing/articles/dropshot.html

[RichZ]

John wrote:
> What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear or stained,
> weeds or gravel, etc
>
YES!

see article below...

RichZ©
www.richz.com/fishing/articles/dropshot.html

[Bob La Londe]

Ds for bedders. I like that. I have a coule repeat beds picked out for
next season that this might just be the ticket for.

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"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've ds'ed in
1
> foot of water with great success.
>
> WW
> "Bob La Londe" > wrote in message
> news:1095444610.6+sikfEfLm5tfLwY/kq1RA@teranews...
> > My best guess based on my total lack of skill at the technique is....
> >
> > Clear to lightly stained with scattered grass growing off the bottom
upto
> as
> > tall as 2 feet. Depth being anywhere there are fish, but I can't see
drop
> > shotting in really really shallow water. For really really really deep
> > water I think I would tend to look more at a Carolina rig.
> >
> > However, there are some exceptions. I might use a drop shot in places
> where
> > I would flip or pitch like standing tulies in 3-6 feet of water if I
felt
> a
> > more finesse presentation would work. Probably go more to a "Bubba
> > Shotting" type app in those cases using 20lb fluorocarbon and a hook
with
> a
> > weedguard. I might even use a weight with a rattle built in. My
> > presentation for this would probably be gin clear water where I have
seen
> > good fish. I would back way off from the tulies to near my maximum
> pitching
> > distance and be prepared to kick my trolling motor upto high and crash
> into
> > the tulies if I hooked up a good fish.
> >
> > Just some thoughts. Your mileage will vary.
> >
> > Bob La Londe
> > www.YumaBassMan.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "John C. French" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear or
> > stained,
> > > weeds or gravel, etc. Any info anyone would like to give on conditions
> or
> > > techniques is appreciated. I have tried several times with out
success.
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > John C. French
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Bob La Londe]

Ds for bedders. I like that. I have a coule repeat beds picked out for
next season that this might just be the ticket for.

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"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've ds'ed in
1
> foot of water with great success.
>
> WW
> "Bob La Londe" > wrote in message
> news:1095444610.6+sikfEfLm5tfLwY/kq1RA@teranews...
> > My best guess based on my total lack of skill at the technique is....
> >
> > Clear to lightly stained with scattered grass growing off the bottom
upto
> as
> > tall as 2 feet. Depth being anywhere there are fish, but I can't see
drop
> > shotting in really really shallow water. For really really really deep
> > water I think I would tend to look more at a Carolina rig.
> >
> > However, there are some exceptions. I might use a drop shot in places
> where
> > I would flip or pitch like standing tulies in 3-6 feet of water if I
felt
> a
> > more finesse presentation would work. Probably go more to a "Bubba
> > Shotting" type app in those cases using 20lb fluorocarbon and a hook
with
> a
> > weedguard. I might even use a weight with a rattle built in. My
> > presentation for this would probably be gin clear water where I have
seen
> > good fish. I would back way off from the tulies to near my maximum
> pitching
> > distance and be prepared to kick my trolling motor upto high and crash
> into
> > the tulies if I hooked up a good fish.
> >
> > Just some thoughts. Your mileage will vary.
> >
> > Bob La Londe
> > www.YumaBassMan.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "John C. French" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear or
> > stained,
> > > weeds or gravel, etc. Any info anyone would like to give on conditions
> or
> > > techniques is appreciated. I have tried several times with out
success.
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > John C. French
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Bob La Londe]

Ds for bedders. I like that. I have a coule repeat beds picked out for
next season that this might just be the ticket for.

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"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've ds'ed in
1
> foot of water with great success.
>
> WW
> "Bob La Londe" > wrote in message
> news:1095444610.6+sikfEfLm5tfLwY/kq1RA@teranews...
> > My best guess based on my total lack of skill at the technique is....
> >
> > Clear to lightly stained with scattered grass growing off the bottom
upto
> as
> > tall as 2 feet. Depth being anywhere there are fish, but I can't see
drop
> > shotting in really really shallow water. For really really really deep
> > water I think I would tend to look more at a Carolina rig.
> >
> > However, there are some exceptions. I might use a drop shot in places
> where
> > I would flip or pitch like standing tulies in 3-6 feet of water if I
felt
> a
> > more finesse presentation would work. Probably go more to a "Bubba
> > Shotting" type app in those cases using 20lb fluorocarbon and a hook
with
> a
> > weedguard. I might even use a weight with a rattle built in. My
> > presentation for this would probably be gin clear water where I have
seen
> > good fish. I would back way off from the tulies to near my maximum
> pitching
> > distance and be prepared to kick my trolling motor upto high and crash
> into
> > the tulies if I hooked up a good fish.
> >
> > Just some thoughts. Your mileage will vary.
> >
> > Bob La Londe
> > www.YumaBassMan.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "John C. French" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear or
> > stained,
> > > weeds or gravel, etc. Any info anyone would like to give on conditions
> or
> > > techniques is appreciated. I have tried several times with out
success.
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > John C. French
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Doyce McIlvene]

Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig by
tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig. The
length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is fishing.
According to Yelas, this would give the angler a double shot at the fish at
two different depths and baits and can help determine what the fish want at
a given time. Makes a great search rig, in that anytime the CR weight
contacts some cover, the rig can be held in place and then shake, shake,
shake with the rod tip to really bring the DS bait into action. He demo'd
this rig at the Grand Opening of the Bass Pro shop near here in Shreveport,
La. Looked and really sounded reasonable the way he presented it.
I haven't had the opportunity to try this yet, but plan to in the near
future.
Keep yer fanny dry and yer line wet!
Cheers,
--
Doyce

"John C. French" > wrote in message
. ..
> What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear or
stained,
> weeds or gravel, etc. Any info anyone would like to give on conditions or
> techniques is appreciated. I have tried several times with out success.
>
> TIA
>
> John C. French
>
>

[Doyce McIlvene]

Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig by
tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig. The
length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is fishing.
According to Yelas, this would give the angler a double shot at the fish at
two different depths and baits and can help determine what the fish want at
a given time. Makes a great search rig, in that anytime the CR weight
contacts some cover, the rig can be held in place and then shake, shake,
shake with the rod tip to really bring the DS bait into action. He demo'd
this rig at the Grand Opening of the Bass Pro shop near here in Shreveport,
La. Looked and really sounded reasonable the way he presented it.
I haven't had the opportunity to try this yet, but plan to in the near
future.
Keep yer fanny dry and yer line wet!
Cheers,
--
Doyce

"John C. French" > wrote in message
. ..
> What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear or
stained,
> weeds or gravel, etc. Any info anyone would like to give on conditions or
> techniques is appreciated. I have tried several times with out success.
>
> TIA
>
> John C. French
>
>

[Doyce McIlvene]

Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig by
tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig. The
length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is fishing.
According to Yelas, this would give the angler a double shot at the fish at
two different depths and baits and can help determine what the fish want at
a given time. Makes a great search rig, in that anytime the CR weight
contacts some cover, the rig can be held in place and then shake, shake,
shake with the rod tip to really bring the DS bait into action. He demo'd
this rig at the Grand Opening of the Bass Pro shop near here in Shreveport,
La. Looked and really sounded reasonable the way he presented it.
I haven't had the opportunity to try this yet, but plan to in the near
future.
Keep yer fanny dry and yer line wet!
Cheers,
--
Doyce

"John C. French" > wrote in message
. ..
> What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear or
stained,
> weeds or gravel, etc. Any info anyone would like to give on conditions or
> techniques is appreciated. I have tried several times with out success.
>
> TIA
>
> John C. French
>
>

[Rodney]

Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig by
> tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig. The
> length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is fishing.
> According to Yelas,

WEll he DID not come up with it

I did, and demo'ed it 3 years ago at Bass Pro, and the Classic in New
Orleans, even have it in a video filmed 40 months ago, and Bill Dance
using it on his show 32 months ago

I will give Jay a call,, and at least get him to say he saw it elsewhere
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Rodney]

Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig by
> tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig. The
> length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is fishing.
> According to Yelas,

WEll he DID not come up with it

I did, and demo'ed it 3 years ago at Bass Pro, and the Classic in New
Orleans, even have it in a video filmed 40 months ago, and Bill Dance
using it on his show 32 months ago

I will give Jay a call,, and at least get him to say he saw it elsewhere
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Rodney]

Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig by
> tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig. The
> length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is fishing.
> According to Yelas,

WEll he DID not come up with it

I did, and demo'ed it 3 years ago at Bass Pro, and the Classic in New
Orleans, even have it in a video filmed 40 months ago, and Bill Dance
using it on his show 32 months ago

I will give Jay a call,, and at least get him to say he saw it elsewhere
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[John C. French]

Yeah, and I bet it was you, not Al Gore....that invented the internet.



"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> > Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig
by
> > tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig. The
> > length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is
fishing.
> > According to Yelas,
>
> WEll he DID not come up with it
>
> I did, and demo'ed it 3 years ago at Bass Pro, and the Classic in New
> Orleans, even have it in a video filmed 40 months ago, and Bill Dance
> using it on his show 32 months ago
>
> I will give Jay a call,, and at least get him to say he saw it elsewhere
> --
> Rodney Long,
> Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
> Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
> Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
> and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[John C. French]

Yeah, and I bet it was you, not Al Gore....that invented the internet.



"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> > Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig
by
> > tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig. The
> > length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is
fishing.
> > According to Yelas,
>
> WEll he DID not come up with it
>
> I did, and demo'ed it 3 years ago at Bass Pro, and the Classic in New
> Orleans, even have it in a video filmed 40 months ago, and Bill Dance
> using it on his show 32 months ago
>
> I will give Jay a call,, and at least get him to say he saw it elsewhere
> --
> Rodney Long,
> Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
> Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
> Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
> and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[John C. French]

Yeah, and I bet it was you, not Al Gore....that invented the internet.



"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> > Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig
by
> > tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig. The
> > length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is
fishing.
> > According to Yelas,
>
> WEll he DID not come up with it
>
> I did, and demo'ed it 3 years ago at Bass Pro, and the Classic in New
> Orleans, even have it in a video filmed 40 months ago, and Bill Dance
> using it on his show 32 months ago
>
> I will give Jay a call,, and at least get him to say he saw it elsewhere
> --
> Rodney Long,
> Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
> Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
> Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
> and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Rodney]

John C. French wrote:

> Yeah, and I bet it was you, not Al Gore....that invented the internet.

You had better not bet on this one,, you will instantly loose

I CAN PROVE this, it was even in the Boomerang instructions three years
ago, I showed it to every pro at the Guntersville B.A.S.S. Tournament a
couple of years ago, and it was in Bassmaster's magazine (with me) in
June 2001, it's even part of my patent

What more PROOF do you want ?????????????????????????????????

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Rodney]

John C. French wrote:

> Yeah, and I bet it was you, not Al Gore....that invented the internet.

You had better not bet on this one,, you will instantly loose

I CAN PROVE this, it was even in the Boomerang instructions three years
ago, I showed it to every pro at the Guntersville B.A.S.S. Tournament a
couple of years ago, and it was in Bassmaster's magazine (with me) in
June 2001, it's even part of my patent

What more PROOF do you want ?????????????????????????????????

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Calif Bill]

You did not invent it Rodney. You just applied it to using a CR rig or some
other rig below a dropshot in bass fishing. There were probably others
doing it bass fishing also. We have used a hook above a jig for at least 50
years that I know of while fishing for rockcod on the west coast. The hook
above used to be a shrimp fly and then with the advent of plastics a grub or
a swimbait.
Bill

"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> John C. French wrote:
>
> > Yeah, and I bet it was you, not Al Gore....that invented the internet.
>
> You had better not bet on this one,, you will instantly loose
>
> I CAN PROVE this, it was even in the Boomerang instructions three years
> ago, I showed it to every pro at the Guntersville B.A.S.S. Tournament a
> couple of years ago, and it was in Bassmaster's magazine (with me) in
> June 2001, it's even part of my patent
>
> What more PROOF do you want ?????????????????????????????????
>
> --
> Rodney Long,
> Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
> Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
> Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
> and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Calif Bill]

You did not invent it Rodney. You just applied it to using a CR rig or some
other rig below a dropshot in bass fishing. There were probably others
doing it bass fishing also. We have used a hook above a jig for at least 50
years that I know of while fishing for rockcod on the west coast. The hook
above used to be a shrimp fly and then with the advent of plastics a grub or
a swimbait.
Bill

"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> John C. French wrote:
>
> > Yeah, and I bet it was you, not Al Gore....that invented the internet.
>
> You had better not bet on this one,, you will instantly loose
>
> I CAN PROVE this, it was even in the Boomerang instructions three years
> ago, I showed it to every pro at the Guntersville B.A.S.S. Tournament a
> couple of years ago, and it was in Bassmaster's magazine (with me) in
> June 2001, it's even part of my patent
>
> What more PROOF do you want ?????????????????????????????????
>
> --
> Rodney Long,
> Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
> Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
> Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
> and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Rodney]

Calif Bill wrote:

> You did not invent it Rodney.

Yet you are saying he did ?

> You just applied it to using a CR rig or some
> other rig below a dropshot in bass fishing. There were probably others
> doing it bass fishing also.

Probably don't get it, and how in the world can you say I didn't ?

I would bet there are a lot of fishermen are doing it now


There is not a single article "ANYWHERE" in any fishing magazine, prior
to me publishing it, this fisherman never demonstrated it prior, and
according to the US patent office I am the inventor of it, No, someone
using it does not infringe on my patent, as that part was not worth
patenting, (no way to enforce that part of the patent) although it is
included in my patent drawings

WHen I showed this part (the Carolina rigged drop shot) to Bill Dance,
Hank Parker, Ray Scott, AL Linder, The editor of Bassmaster's, The
writers of Bassmaster's, Field and Stream, and two dozen other
magazines, they said they had never heard of it, or anyone ever thinking
about it prior


Someone claiming it is "their" idea is morally wrong, PERIOD !

"""If""" someone, some where, used it once prior to me,, then that is
just tough, first to publish, gets the credit, unless they can "prove" I
got it from them, or from ANYWHERE else.
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Rodney]

Calif Bill wrote:

> You did not invent it Rodney.

Yet you are saying he did ?

> You just applied it to using a CR rig or some
> other rig below a dropshot in bass fishing. There were probably others
> doing it bass fishing also.

Probably don't get it, and how in the world can you say I didn't ?

I would bet there are a lot of fishermen are doing it now


There is not a single article "ANYWHERE" in any fishing magazine, prior
to me publishing it, this fisherman never demonstrated it prior, and
according to the US patent office I am the inventor of it, No, someone
using it does not infringe on my patent, as that part was not worth
patenting, (no way to enforce that part of the patent) although it is
included in my patent drawings

WHen I showed this part (the Carolina rigged drop shot) to Bill Dance,
Hank Parker, Ray Scott, AL Linder, The editor of Bassmaster's, The
writers of Bassmaster's, Field and Stream, and two dozen other
magazines, they said they had never heard of it, or anyone ever thinking
about it prior


Someone claiming it is "their" idea is morally wrong, PERIOD !

"""If""" someone, some where, used it once prior to me,, then that is
just tough, first to publish, gets the credit, unless they can "prove" I
got it from them, or from ANYWHERE else.
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Rodney]

Calif Bill wrote:

> You did not invent it Rodney.

Yet you are saying he did ?

> You just applied it to using a CR rig or some
> other rig below a dropshot in bass fishing. There were probably others
> doing it bass fishing also.

Probably don't get it, and how in the world can you say I didn't ?

I would bet there are a lot of fishermen are doing it now


There is not a single article "ANYWHERE" in any fishing magazine, prior
to me publishing it, this fisherman never demonstrated it prior, and
according to the US patent office I am the inventor of it, No, someone
using it does not infringe on my patent, as that part was not worth
patenting, (no way to enforce that part of the patent) although it is
included in my patent drawings

WHen I showed this part (the Carolina rigged drop shot) to Bill Dance,
Hank Parker, Ray Scott, AL Linder, The editor of Bassmaster's, The
writers of Bassmaster's, Field and Stream, and two dozen other
magazines, they said they had never heard of it, or anyone ever thinking
about it prior


Someone claiming it is "their" idea is morally wrong, PERIOD !

"""If""" someone, some where, used it once prior to me,, then that is
just tough, first to publish, gets the credit, unless they can "prove" I
got it from them, or from ANYWHERE else.
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[AJH]

Rodney, does anyone really care about your inventions? I sure don't...I
hate to admit it but I bought one of you "eznot" rigs and it was a
POS..JMO...


Git-R-Done

[AJH]

Rodney, does anyone really care about your inventions? I sure don't...I
hate to admit it but I bought one of you "eznot" rigs and it was a
POS..JMO...


Git-R-Done

[Doyce McIlvene]

Rodney,
Jay Yelas NEVER claimed to have invented the rig in question, but was merely
demo'ing it in answer to a question from a member of the audience. IT was ME
that tagged it "the Jay Yelas rig" as this was the first time that I had
seen it. Now if you have a problem with me doing so, I could care frikken
less. You may or may not have invented it, but who gives a rats rear end as
you said yourself that you couldn't or wouldn't patient it, so therefore, it
is pubic domain as for as I am concerned much the same as the Texas rig,
which I'm sure that you invented also!

All I was attempting to do is present another method or technique to the OP
so that he could try different options to find which works best for him. So
get off your high horse and quit worry so much about someone stealing your
thunder and get a life. Go fishing and don't sweat the small crap!

Cheers,
--
Doyce

"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> > Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig
by
> > tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig. The
> > length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is
fishing.
> > According to Yelas,
>
> WEll he DID not come up with it
>
> I did, and demo'ed it 3 years ago at Bass Pro, and the Classic in New
> Orleans, even have it in a video filmed 40 months ago, and Bill Dance
> using it on his show 32 months ago
>
> I will give Jay a call,, and at least get him to say he saw it elsewhere
> --
> Rodney Long,
> Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
> Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
> Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
> and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Doyce McIlvene]

Rodney,
Jay Yelas NEVER claimed to have invented the rig in question, but was merely
demo'ing it in answer to a question from a member of the audience. IT was ME
that tagged it "the Jay Yelas rig" as this was the first time that I had
seen it. Now if you have a problem with me doing so, I could care frikken
less. You may or may not have invented it, but who gives a rats rear end as
you said yourself that you couldn't or wouldn't patient it, so therefore, it
is pubic domain as for as I am concerned much the same as the Texas rig,
which I'm sure that you invented also!

All I was attempting to do is present another method or technique to the OP
so that he could try different options to find which works best for him. So
get off your high horse and quit worry so much about someone stealing your
thunder and get a life. Go fishing and don't sweat the small crap!

Cheers,
--
Doyce

"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> > Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig
by
> > tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig. The
> > length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is
fishing.
> > According to Yelas,
>
> WEll he DID not come up with it
>
> I did, and demo'ed it 3 years ago at Bass Pro, and the Classic in New
> Orleans, even have it in a video filmed 40 months ago, and Bill Dance
> using it on his show 32 months ago
>
> I will give Jay a call,, and at least get him to say he saw it elsewhere
> --
> Rodney Long,
> Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
> Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
> Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
> and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Doyce McIlvene]

Rodney,
Jay Yelas NEVER claimed to have invented the rig in question, but was merely
demo'ing it in answer to a question from a member of the audience. IT was ME
that tagged it "the Jay Yelas rig" as this was the first time that I had
seen it. Now if you have a problem with me doing so, I could care frikken
less. You may or may not have invented it, but who gives a rats rear end as
you said yourself that you couldn't or wouldn't patient it, so therefore, it
is pubic domain as for as I am concerned much the same as the Texas rig,
which I'm sure that you invented also!

All I was attempting to do is present another method or technique to the OP
so that he could try different options to find which works best for him. So
get off your high horse and quit worry so much about someone stealing your
thunder and get a life. Go fishing and don't sweat the small crap!

Cheers,
--
Doyce

"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> > Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig
by
> > tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig. The
> > length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is
fishing.
> > According to Yelas,
>
> WEll he DID not come up with it
>
> I did, and demo'ed it 3 years ago at Bass Pro, and the Classic in New
> Orleans, even have it in a video filmed 40 months ago, and Bill Dance
> using it on his show 32 months ago
>
> I will give Jay a call,, and at least get him to say he saw it elsewhere
> --
> Rodney Long,
> Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
> Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
> Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
> and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Rodney]

Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> Rodney,
> Jay Yelas NEVER claimed to have invented the rig in question, but was merely
> demo'ing it in answer to a question from a member of the audience. IT was ME
> that tagged it "the Jay Yelas rig" as this was the first time that I had
> seen it.
> Now if you have a problem with me doing so, I could care frikken
> less. You may or may not have invented it,

I did, and I now remember showing it to Jay, as I made some phone calls
and another pro was there and told me when, he also told me that Jay was
not claiming it...



> but who gives a rats rear end as
> you said yourself that you couldn't or wouldn't patient it, so therefore, it
> is pubic domain as for as I am concerned much the same as the Texas rig,

It is just that,, I just wanted to make sure we did not end up with
another (Trilene knot) as they did not invent that knot (no I didn't either)

> which I'm sure that you invented also!

Now your being an A.H.
>
> All I was attempting to do is present another method or technique to the OP
> so that he could try different options to find which works best for him. So
> get off your high horse and quit worry so much about someone stealing your
> thunder and get a life.

This is my life, it is how I make my living, and it is important I get
the proper credit,, not to, or from the fishermen, but to the big
players in the fishing industry, you see they do keep score on who came
up with what, and that can make a big difference in how much they pay me
in the future, and how long a contract I get. It also improves my TV
exposure chances

> Go fishing and don't sweat the small crap!

As I just showed you, it is not small crap to those inside the industry.
It is very hard for a fishermen, not inside the industry to make it
licensing new fishing products,, few ever do it, and sometimes when one
does,, someone else tries to take the credit cutting the legs right out
from under the true inventor


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Rodney]

Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> Rodney,
> Jay Yelas NEVER claimed to have invented the rig in question, but was merely
> demo'ing it in answer to a question from a member of the audience. IT was ME
> that tagged it "the Jay Yelas rig" as this was the first time that I had
> seen it.
> Now if you have a problem with me doing so, I could care frikken
> less. You may or may not have invented it,

I did, and I now remember showing it to Jay, as I made some phone calls
and another pro was there and told me when, he also told me that Jay was
not claiming it...



> but who gives a rats rear end as
> you said yourself that you couldn't or wouldn't patient it, so therefore, it
> is pubic domain as for as I am concerned much the same as the Texas rig,

It is just that,, I just wanted to make sure we did not end up with
another (Trilene knot) as they did not invent that knot (no I didn't either)

> which I'm sure that you invented also!

Now your being an A.H.
>
> All I was attempting to do is present another method or technique to the OP
> so that he could try different options to find which works best for him. So
> get off your high horse and quit worry so much about someone stealing your
> thunder and get a life.

This is my life, it is how I make my living, and it is important I get
the proper credit,, not to, or from the fishermen, but to the big
players in the fishing industry, you see they do keep score on who came
up with what, and that can make a big difference in how much they pay me
in the future, and how long a contract I get. It also improves my TV
exposure chances

> Go fishing and don't sweat the small crap!

As I just showed you, it is not small crap to those inside the industry.
It is very hard for a fishermen, not inside the industry to make it
licensing new fishing products,, few ever do it, and sometimes when one
does,, someone else tries to take the credit cutting the legs right out
from under the true inventor


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Rodney]

AJH wrote:

> Rodney, does anyone really care about your inventions?

They seam to, as I've made many thousands of dollars from my licensees,
and they will be in nearly every major store in the country starting in
January



> I sure don't...I
> hate to admit it but I bought one of you "eznot" rigs

>and it was a
> POS..JMO...
>

The EZknot was and is not a rig,, it is also guaranteed, send me your
snail mail address you will be the first in over 20,000 fishermen not
satestified, I will mail you back your money, or I can happly paypal you
the money.

I'm very happy with just one unsatisfied customer in 20,000, most
successful products have 5 to 10 % unsatisfied customers


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Rodney]

AJH wrote:

> Rodney, does anyone really care about your inventions?

They seam to, as I've made many thousands of dollars from my licensees,
and they will be in nearly every major store in the country starting in
January



> I sure don't...I
> hate to admit it but I bought one of you "eznot" rigs

>and it was a
> POS..JMO...
>

The EZknot was and is not a rig,, it is also guaranteed, send me your
snail mail address you will be the first in over 20,000 fishermen not
satestified, I will mail you back your money, or I can happly paypal you
the money.

I'm very happy with just one unsatisfied customer in 20,000, most
successful products have 5 to 10 % unsatisfied customers


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Rodney]

AJH wrote:

> Rodney, does anyone really care about your inventions?

They seam to, as I've made many thousands of dollars from my licensees,
and they will be in nearly every major store in the country starting in
January



> I sure don't...I
> hate to admit it but I bought one of you "eznot" rigs

>and it was a
> POS..JMO...
>

The EZknot was and is not a rig,, it is also guaranteed, send me your
snail mail address you will be the first in over 20,000 fishermen not
satestified, I will mail you back your money, or I can happly paypal you
the money.

I'm very happy with just one unsatisfied customer in 20,000, most
successful products have 5 to 10 % unsatisfied customers


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[John C. French]

So, I can tie a line to a cane pole, attach a hook to it, get a patent and
say I invented it?

You must have also invented the cast on your arm that you broke while
patting yourself on the back......



"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> Calif Bill wrote:
>
> > You did not invent it Rodney.
>
> Yet you are saying he did ?
>
> > You just applied it to using a CR rig or some
> > other rig below a dropshot in bass fishing. There were probably others
> > doing it bass fishing also.
>
> Probably don't get it, and how in the world can you say I didn't ?
>
> I would bet there are a lot of fishermen are doing it now
>
>
> There is not a single article "ANYWHERE" in any fishing magazine, prior
> to me publishing it, this fisherman never demonstrated it prior, and
> according to the US patent office I am the inventor of it, No, someone
> using it does not infringe on my patent, as that part was not worth
> patenting, (no way to enforce that part of the patent) although it is
> included in my patent drawings
>
> WHen I showed this part (the Carolina rigged drop shot) to Bill Dance,
> Hank Parker, Ray Scott, AL Linder, The editor of Bassmaster's, The
> writers of Bassmaster's, Field and Stream, and two dozen other
> magazines, they said they had never heard of it, or anyone ever thinking
> about it prior
>
>
> Someone claiming it is "their" idea is morally wrong, PERIOD !
>
> """If""" someone, some where, used it once prior to me,, then that is
> just tough, first to publish, gets the credit, unless they can "prove" I
> got it from them, or from ANYWHERE else.
> --
> Rodney Long,
> Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
> Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
> Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
> and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[John C. French]

So, I can tie a line to a cane pole, attach a hook to it, get a patent and
say I invented it?

You must have also invented the cast on your arm that you broke while
patting yourself on the back......



"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> Calif Bill wrote:
>
> > You did not invent it Rodney.
>
> Yet you are saying he did ?
>
> > You just applied it to using a CR rig or some
> > other rig below a dropshot in bass fishing. There were probably others
> > doing it bass fishing also.
>
> Probably don't get it, and how in the world can you say I didn't ?
>
> I would bet there are a lot of fishermen are doing it now
>
>
> There is not a single article "ANYWHERE" in any fishing magazine, prior
> to me publishing it, this fisherman never demonstrated it prior, and
> according to the US patent office I am the inventor of it, No, someone
> using it does not infringe on my patent, as that part was not worth
> patenting, (no way to enforce that part of the patent) although it is
> included in my patent drawings
>
> WHen I showed this part (the Carolina rigged drop shot) to Bill Dance,
> Hank Parker, Ray Scott, AL Linder, The editor of Bassmaster's, The
> writers of Bassmaster's, Field and Stream, and two dozen other
> magazines, they said they had never heard of it, or anyone ever thinking
> about it prior
>
>
> Someone claiming it is "their" idea is morally wrong, PERIOD !
>
> """If""" someone, some where, used it once prior to me,, then that is
> just tough, first to publish, gets the credit, unless they can "prove" I
> got it from them, or from ANYWHERE else.
> --
> Rodney Long,
> Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
> Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
> Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
> and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[John C. French]

So, I can tie a line to a cane pole, attach a hook to it, get a patent and
say I invented it?

You must have also invented the cast on your arm that you broke while
patting yourself on the back......



"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> Calif Bill wrote:
>
> > You did not invent it Rodney.
>
> Yet you are saying he did ?
>
> > You just applied it to using a CR rig or some
> > other rig below a dropshot in bass fishing. There were probably others
> > doing it bass fishing also.
>
> Probably don't get it, and how in the world can you say I didn't ?
>
> I would bet there are a lot of fishermen are doing it now
>
>
> There is not a single article "ANYWHERE" in any fishing magazine, prior
> to me publishing it, this fisherman never demonstrated it prior, and
> according to the US patent office I am the inventor of it, No, someone
> using it does not infringe on my patent, as that part was not worth
> patenting, (no way to enforce that part of the patent) although it is
> included in my patent drawings
>
> WHen I showed this part (the Carolina rigged drop shot) to Bill Dance,
> Hank Parker, Ray Scott, AL Linder, The editor of Bassmaster's, The
> writers of Bassmaster's, Field and Stream, and two dozen other
> magazines, they said they had never heard of it, or anyone ever thinking
> about it prior
>
>
> Someone claiming it is "their" idea is morally wrong, PERIOD !
>
> """If""" someone, some where, used it once prior to me,, then that is
> just tough, first to publish, gets the credit, unless they can "prove" I
> got it from them, or from ANYWHERE else.
> --
> Rodney Long,
> Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
> Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
> Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
> and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[John C. French]

"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...

Snip

> I just wanted to make sure we did not end up with
> another (Trilene knot) as they did not invent that knot (no I didn't
either)

Snip

> This is my life, it is how I make my living, and it is important I get
> the proper credit,, not to, or from the fishermen, but to the big
> players in the fishing industry, you see they do keep score on who came
> up with what, and that can make a big difference in how much they pay me
> in the future, and how long a contract I get. It also improves my TV
> exposure chances.



Combining a DS rig with a CR rig by tying the DS hook on the main line above
the swivel for the CR rig.

I hereby decree this rig to be christened 'The Rabid Raccoon Rig' in honor
of it's (snicker) inventor.

[John C. French]

"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...

Snip

> I just wanted to make sure we did not end up with
> another (Trilene knot) as they did not invent that knot (no I didn't
either)

Snip

> This is my life, it is how I make my living, and it is important I get
> the proper credit,, not to, or from the fishermen, but to the big
> players in the fishing industry, you see they do keep score on who came
> up with what, and that can make a big difference in how much they pay me
> in the future, and how long a contract I get. It also improves my TV
> exposure chances.



Combining a DS rig with a CR rig by tying the DS hook on the main line above
the swivel for the CR rig.

I hereby decree this rig to be christened 'The Rabid Raccoon Rig' in honor
of it's (snicker) inventor.

[Andrew Kidd]

"John C. French" > wrote in message
. ..
> So, I can tie a line to a cane pole, attach a hook to it, get a patent and
> say I invented it?
>
> You must have also invented the cast on your arm that you broke while
> patting yourself on the back......

No joke there, Rodney! It's absolutely obnoxious....and for God's sake, get
a spell checker - please!

You know Rodney, some people are absolutely unaware of how big an ass they
are. Are you as egotistical, brash and obnoxious in person as you seem to
be on this NG? Or can you not make this judgment yourself?

Please refrain from mentioning your patents (again and again) in your
answer...with over 6.8 million patents in existence, it's not exactly unique
to have a novel idea!
--
Andrew Kidd
http://www.amiasoft.com/ - Software for the rest of us!
http://www.rofb.net/ - ROFB Newsgroup Home

[Rodney]

John C. French wrote:
> So, I can tie a line to a cane pole, attach a hook to it, get a patent and
> say I invented it?

No you can't,, not legally, there have been many publications on cane
pole fishing but some fool got a patent on Jug fishing back in 1991,,
it's been done for 50 or more years, no one tried to to fight his
patent, because he could not enforce it
>
> You must have also invented the cast on your arm that you broke while
> patting yourself on the back......


Now it's time for me to eat crow,,


I did not show Jay the rig he showed,

I misread the original post.

I invented (in my patent) the Carolina Drop shot, (which I had showed to
him) not tying a hook to the top of the standard Caroline rig, although
I did this (what he talked about and showed at Bass Pro) I did include
it in the web site directions for the EZ Knot Tool, but I did not make
the hook stand out like a drop shot hook, I did not include that in my
patent (the double lure, one on a carolina rig, )

I did use this in testing the StandOut hook, in the drop shot, along
with running a pig and jig below it, many fishermen use the jig instead
of a drop shot weight,, where they have a bottom that does not eat a lot
of jigs

Here is where I misread

The "Carolina Drop SHot" is a swivel placed (not tied) on the main line,
the a hook tied to that main line "below" the swivel, the swivel slides
freely up and down the line to the hook, now you attach a leader and
then a drop shot weight to the other eye of the swivel. WHen the fish
hits,, you can let him run with the lure, he will not be dragging the
weight, and the lower leader does not interfere with a deep hook set.

This is worked like a drop shot rig, with the same action being applied
to the lure, but just like the carolina rig, when the fish strikes, he
does not pick up the weight, you can also use a smaller line to the drop
shot weight, so if the weight hangs, it will break before the main line does


OK, I made a mistake, I caught the mistake, and I admitted it
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Rodney]

John C. French wrote:
> So, I can tie a line to a cane pole, attach a hook to it, get a patent and
> say I invented it?

No you can't,, not legally, there have been many publications on cane
pole fishing but some fool got a patent on Jug fishing back in 1991,,
it's been done for 50 or more years, no one tried to to fight his
patent, because he could not enforce it
>
> You must have also invented the cast on your arm that you broke while
> patting yourself on the back......


Now it's time for me to eat crow,,


I did not show Jay the rig he showed,

I misread the original post.

I invented (in my patent) the Carolina Drop shot, (which I had showed to
him) not tying a hook to the top of the standard Caroline rig, although
I did this (what he talked about and showed at Bass Pro) I did include
it in the web site directions for the EZ Knot Tool, but I did not make
the hook stand out like a drop shot hook, I did not include that in my
patent (the double lure, one on a carolina rig, )

I did use this in testing the StandOut hook, in the drop shot, along
with running a pig and jig below it, many fishermen use the jig instead
of a drop shot weight,, where they have a bottom that does not eat a lot
of jigs

Here is where I misread

The "Carolina Drop SHot" is a swivel placed (not tied) on the main line,
the a hook tied to that main line "below" the swivel, the swivel slides
freely up and down the line to the hook, now you attach a leader and
then a drop shot weight to the other eye of the swivel. WHen the fish
hits,, you can let him run with the lure, he will not be dragging the
weight, and the lower leader does not interfere with a deep hook set.

This is worked like a drop shot rig, with the same action being applied
to the lure, but just like the carolina rig, when the fish strikes, he
does not pick up the weight, you can also use a smaller line to the drop
shot weight, so if the weight hangs, it will break before the main line does


OK, I made a mistake, I caught the mistake, and I admitted it
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Doyce McIlvene]

"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> > Rodney,
> > Jay Yelas NEVER claimed to have invented the rig in question, but was
merely
> > demo'ing it in answer to a question from a member of the audience. IT
was ME
> > that tagged it "the Jay Yelas rig" as this was the first time that I had
> > seen it.
> > Now if you have a problem with me doing so, I could care frikken
> > less. You may or may not have invented it,
>
> I did, and I now remember showing it to Jay, as I made some phone calls
> and another pro was there and told me when, he also told me that Jay was
> not claiming it...
>
>
>
> > but who gives a rats rear end as
> > you said yourself that you couldn't or wouldn't patient it, so
therefore, it
> > is pubic domain as for as I am concerned much the same as the Texas rig,
>
> It is just that,, I just wanted to make sure we did not end up with
> another (Trilene knot) as they did not invent that knot (no I didn't
either)
>

It is doubtful that you could have secure a patent on it or else you
certainly would have, knowing the schrewed and wise businessman that you
are. And as far as I'm concerned, it is still the "Jay Yelas rig" and not
the "Rodney Long rig".

> > which I'm sure that you invented also!
>
> Now your being an A.H.

Perhaps, but you were the one that jumped on my case for not giving you the
credit for inventing the rig in question. I don't know you nor do I care to
know you. I have never heard of you or your inventions. I care about Bass
fishing and don't give a care as to who invents what. Most of the inovations
that have come about in the last twenty years in the fishing industry are
really nothing more than rehashes of old lures, techniques or ect. with a
twist and most of those that do come along die well deserved death as they
are designed to catch fishermen, not fish. Tried and true always comes
thourgh in the end.

> > thunder and get a life.
>
> This is my life, it is how I make my living, and it is important I get
> the proper credit,, not to, or from the fishermen, but to the big
> players in the fishing industry, you see they do keep score on who came
> up with what, and that can make a big difference in how much they pay me
> in the future, and how long a contract I get. It also improves my TV
> exposure chances

Best of luck to you, if thats the life you choose to lead. I honestly wish
you the best and all the sucessing your endevors. As for it not being
important to you to get the proper credit from fishermen, keep in mind that
ultimately it is the fisherman that will pay the bills and make you the big
bucks and not the big boys in the industry. It is little ole me and the
folks like me, that goes to Bass Pro Shops and plops down my hard earned
$5.00 for a spinnerbait or the like or there wouldn't be any big players in
the fishing industry. It sure it was important for Gary Yamamoto to be
credited with the Senko by fisherman and now He IS a big boy in the fishing
industry. The same can probably be said for Bill Lewis and the Rattle Trap
i'm sure and I know He is a big boy in the fishing industry.

>
> > Go fishing and don't sweat the small crap!
>
> As I just showed you, it is not small crap to those inside the industry.
> It is very hard for a fishermen, not inside the industry to make it
> licensing new fishing products,, few ever do it, and sometimes when one
> does,, someone else tries to take the credit cutting the legs right out
> from under the true inventor

Bud, the key word in this discussion is product. In my reply to the OP, the
discussion was on technique, Not product. He was inquiring about
dropshotting. If you want to make your fortune, you better do so with a
product not a technique or it ain't gonna happen as Bubba says. Name me one
person, just one, that has become rich and famous from selling a technique.
Some pros are noted for the expertise in a given technique, but they don't
try to sell it in Walmart.

Cheers,
--
Doyce

[Doyce McIlvene]

"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> > Rodney,
> > Jay Yelas NEVER claimed to have invented the rig in question, but was
merely
> > demo'ing it in answer to a question from a member of the audience. IT
was ME
> > that tagged it "the Jay Yelas rig" as this was the first time that I had
> > seen it.
> > Now if you have a problem with me doing so, I could care frikken
> > less. You may or may not have invented it,
>
> I did, and I now remember showing it to Jay, as I made some phone calls
> and another pro was there and told me when, he also told me that Jay was
> not claiming it...
>
>
>
> > but who gives a rats rear end as
> > you said yourself that you couldn't or wouldn't patient it, so
therefore, it
> > is pubic domain as for as I am concerned much the same as the Texas rig,
>
> It is just that,, I just wanted to make sure we did not end up with
> another (Trilene knot) as they did not invent that knot (no I didn't
either)
>

It is doubtful that you could have secure a patent on it or else you
certainly would have, knowing the schrewed and wise businessman that you
are. And as far as I'm concerned, it is still the "Jay Yelas rig" and not
the "Rodney Long rig".

> > which I'm sure that you invented also!
>
> Now your being an A.H.

Perhaps, but you were the one that jumped on my case for not giving you the
credit for inventing the rig in question. I don't know you nor do I care to
know you. I have never heard of you or your inventions. I care about Bass
fishing and don't give a care as to who invents what. Most of the inovations
that have come about in the last twenty years in the fishing industry are
really nothing more than rehashes of old lures, techniques or ect. with a
twist and most of those that do come along die well deserved death as they
are designed to catch fishermen, not fish. Tried and true always comes
thourgh in the end.

> > thunder and get a life.
>
> This is my life, it is how I make my living, and it is important I get
> the proper credit,, not to, or from the fishermen, but to the big
> players in the fishing industry, you see they do keep score on who came
> up with what, and that can make a big difference in how much they pay me
> in the future, and how long a contract I get. It also improves my TV
> exposure chances

Best of luck to you, if thats the life you choose to lead. I honestly wish
you the best and all the sucessing your endevors. As for it not being
important to you to get the proper credit from fishermen, keep in mind that
ultimately it is the fisherman that will pay the bills and make you the big
bucks and not the big boys in the industry. It is little ole me and the
folks like me, that goes to Bass Pro Shops and plops down my hard earned
$5.00 for a spinnerbait or the like or there wouldn't be any big players in
the fishing industry. It sure it was important for Gary Yamamoto to be
credited with the Senko by fisherman and now He IS a big boy in the fishing
industry. The same can probably be said for Bill Lewis and the Rattle Trap
i'm sure and I know He is a big boy in the fishing industry.

>
> > Go fishing and don't sweat the small crap!
>
> As I just showed you, it is not small crap to those inside the industry.
> It is very hard for a fishermen, not inside the industry to make it
> licensing new fishing products,, few ever do it, and sometimes when one
> does,, someone else tries to take the credit cutting the legs right out
> from under the true inventor

Bud, the key word in this discussion is product. In my reply to the OP, the
discussion was on technique, Not product. He was inquiring about
dropshotting. If you want to make your fortune, you better do so with a
product not a technique or it ain't gonna happen as Bubba says. Name me one
person, just one, that has become rich and famous from selling a technique.
Some pros are noted for the expertise in a given technique, but they don't
try to sell it in Walmart.

Cheers,
--
Doyce

[Doyce McIlvene]

"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> > Rodney,
> > Jay Yelas NEVER claimed to have invented the rig in question, but was
merely
> > demo'ing it in answer to a question from a member of the audience. IT
was ME
> > that tagged it "the Jay Yelas rig" as this was the first time that I had
> > seen it.
> > Now if you have a problem with me doing so, I could care frikken
> > less. You may or may not have invented it,
>
> I did, and I now remember showing it to Jay, as I made some phone calls
> and another pro was there and told me when, he also told me that Jay was
> not claiming it...
>
>
>
> > but who gives a rats rear end as
> > you said yourself that you couldn't or wouldn't patient it, so
therefore, it
> > is pubic domain as for as I am concerned much the same as the Texas rig,
>
> It is just that,, I just wanted to make sure we did not end up with
> another (Trilene knot) as they did not invent that knot (no I didn't
either)
>

It is doubtful that you could have secure a patent on it or else you
certainly would have, knowing the schrewed and wise businessman that you
are. And as far as I'm concerned, it is still the "Jay Yelas rig" and not
the "Rodney Long rig".

> > which I'm sure that you invented also!
>
> Now your being an A.H.

Perhaps, but you were the one that jumped on my case for not giving you the
credit for inventing the rig in question. I don't know you nor do I care to
know you. I have never heard of you or your inventions. I care about Bass
fishing and don't give a care as to who invents what. Most of the inovations
that have come about in the last twenty years in the fishing industry are
really nothing more than rehashes of old lures, techniques or ect. with a
twist and most of those that do come along die well deserved death as they
are designed to catch fishermen, not fish. Tried and true always comes
thourgh in the end.

> > thunder and get a life.
>
> This is my life, it is how I make my living, and it is important I get
> the proper credit,, not to, or from the fishermen, but to the big
> players in the fishing industry, you see they do keep score on who came
> up with what, and that can make a big difference in how much they pay me
> in the future, and how long a contract I get. It also improves my TV
> exposure chances

Best of luck to you, if thats the life you choose to lead. I honestly wish
you the best and all the sucessing your endevors. As for it not being
important to you to get the proper credit from fishermen, keep in mind that
ultimately it is the fisherman that will pay the bills and make you the big
bucks and not the big boys in the industry. It is little ole me and the
folks like me, that goes to Bass Pro Shops and plops down my hard earned
$5.00 for a spinnerbait or the like or there wouldn't be any big players in
the fishing industry. It sure it was important for Gary Yamamoto to be
credited with the Senko by fisherman and now He IS a big boy in the fishing
industry. The same can probably be said for Bill Lewis and the Rattle Trap
i'm sure and I know He is a big boy in the fishing industry.

>
> > Go fishing and don't sweat the small crap!
>
> As I just showed you, it is not small crap to those inside the industry.
> It is very hard for a fishermen, not inside the industry to make it
> licensing new fishing products,, few ever do it, and sometimes when one
> does,, someone else tries to take the credit cutting the legs right out
> from under the true inventor

Bud, the key word in this discussion is product. In my reply to the OP, the
discussion was on technique, Not product. He was inquiring about
dropshotting. If you want to make your fortune, you better do so with a
product not a technique or it ain't gonna happen as Bubba says. Name me one
person, just one, that has become rich and famous from selling a technique.
Some pros are noted for the expertise in a given technique, but they don't
try to sell it in Walmart.

Cheers,
--
Doyce

[alwaysfishking]

Doyce wrote: Name me one
person, just one, that has become rich and famous from selling a technique.


Jenna Jameson.. I won't describe the technique :-)

[alwaysfishking]

Doyce wrote: Name me one
person, just one, that has become rich and famous from selling a technique.


Jenna Jameson.. I won't describe the technique :-)

[alwaysfishking]

Doyce wrote: Name me one
person, just one, that has become rich and famous from selling a technique.


Jenna Jameson.. I won't describe the technique :-)

[Calif Bill]

I am saying just because you published it first and that is questionable,
that you did not invent it. Do a literature search on sal****er and rockcod
fishing. The dropshot is just a freshwater version of what sal****er
fishermen have been using for probably 2000+ years. Since hooks were
developed. We sal****er fishermen have been using a stinger hook above a
jig for as long as I can remember and I am 61 years old. The western bass
pro's came up with dropshot for deep lakes. And I bet he fished the Pacific
Ocean off a boat of pier. Florida does not have deep lakes so is not a
place where it would be invented. Can be used in shallow water on bedding
bass, etc., but that is a side benefit to the dropshot. First to publish
most likely gets credit, but being you are a sal****er fisherman also, I
seriously believe you have seen the hook above a jig. You just applied it
to bass with your banjo do-dad. You may even have a patent, but is most
likely not an enforceable patent for a hook above a jig. Those bass people
you mentioned had never seen a dropshot until a deep water fisherman came
from the west to kick ass. Same as flipp'n. Dee Thomas did not invent the
concept, he just improved on it and modified the original Tule-dippn that
won him his national first tourney. They banned the long pole, so he
figured out another way to do it. And Dee even gives credit to the old guys
who figured out tule-dippn at Clear Lake, California. I remember watching
Clude and the others with 10' bamboo poles and a heavy line and a live
rubber jig, dancing the jig on top the water and pulling out big bass. You
may have come up with another application for a hook above a jig, but you
did not invent the concept.
Bill


"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> Calif Bill wrote:
>
> > You did not invent it Rodney.
>
> Yet you are saying he did ?
>
> > You just applied it to using a CR rig or some
> > other rig below a dropshot in bass fishing. There were probably others
> > doing it bass fishing also.
>
> Probably don't get it, and how in the world can you say I didn't ?
>
> I would bet there are a lot of fishermen are doing it now
>
>
> There is not a single article "ANYWHERE" in any fishing magazine, prior
> to me publishing it, this fisherman never demonstrated it prior, and
> according to the US patent office I am the inventor of it, No, someone
> using it does not infringe on my patent, as that part was not worth
> patenting, (no way to enforce that part of the patent) although it is
> included in my patent drawings
>
> WHen I showed this part (the Carolina rigged drop shot) to Bill Dance,
> Hank Parker, Ray Scott, AL Linder, The editor of Bassmaster's, The
> writers of Bassmaster's, Field and Stream, and two dozen other
> magazines, they said they had never heard of it, or anyone ever thinking
> about it prior
>
>
> Someone claiming it is "their" idea is morally wrong, PERIOD !
>
> """If""" someone, some where, used it once prior to me,, then that is
> just tough, first to publish, gets the credit, unless they can "prove" I
> got it from them, or from ANYWHERE else.
> --
> Rodney Long,
> Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
> Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
> Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
> and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Henry Hefner]

Andrew Kidd wrote:
> "John C. French" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>>So, I can tie a line to a cane pole, attach a hook to it, get a patent and
>>say I invented it?
>>
>>You must have also invented the cast on your arm that you broke while
>>patting yourself on the back......
>
>
> No joke there, Rodney! It's absolutely obnoxious....and for God's sake, get
> a spell checker - please!
>
> You know Rodney, some people are absolutely unaware of how big an ass they
> are. Are you as egotistical, brash and obnoxious in person as you seem to
> be on this NG? Or can you not make this judgment yourself?


Apparently not, as numerous people have told him this numerous times.


>
> Please refrain from mentioning your patents (again and again) in your
> answer...with over 6.8 million patents in existence, it's not exactly unique
> to have a novel idea!


I seem to remember him promising to leave and never return. He keeps his
word as well as jajwuth/canoeangler/lurebuilder.

[Henry Hefner]

Andrew Kidd wrote:
> "John C. French" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>>So, I can tie a line to a cane pole, attach a hook to it, get a patent and
>>say I invented it?
>>
>>You must have also invented the cast on your arm that you broke while
>>patting yourself on the back......
>
>
> No joke there, Rodney! It's absolutely obnoxious....and for God's sake, get
> a spell checker - please!
>
> You know Rodney, some people are absolutely unaware of how big an ass they
> are. Are you as egotistical, brash and obnoxious in person as you seem to
> be on this NG? Or can you not make this judgment yourself?


Apparently not, as numerous people have told him this numerous times.


>
> Please refrain from mentioning your patents (again and again) in your
> answer...with over 6.8 million patents in existence, it's not exactly unique
> to have a novel idea!


I seem to remember him promising to leave and never return. He keeps his
word as well as jajwuth/canoeangler/lurebuilder.

[Henry Hefner]

Andrew Kidd wrote:
> "John C. French" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>>So, I can tie a line to a cane pole, attach a hook to it, get a patent and
>>say I invented it?
>>
>>You must have also invented the cast on your arm that you broke while
>>patting yourself on the back......
>
>
> No joke there, Rodney! It's absolutely obnoxious....and for God's sake, get
> a spell checker - please!
>
> You know Rodney, some people are absolutely unaware of how big an ass they
> are. Are you as egotistical, brash and obnoxious in person as you seem to
> be on this NG? Or can you not make this judgment yourself?


Apparently not, as numerous people have told him this numerous times.


>
> Please refrain from mentioning your patents (again and again) in your
> answer...with over 6.8 million patents in existence, it's not exactly unique
> to have a novel idea!


I seem to remember him promising to leave and never return. He keeps his
word as well as jajwuth/canoeangler/lurebuilder.

[Doyce McIlvene]

Good one, alwaysfishking! I stand corrected! But we ain't talkin no Bass
fishin now either!!! LOL!
Cheers,
--
Doyce

"alwaysfishking" > wrote in message
...
> Doyce wrote: Name me one
> person, just one, that has become rich and famous from selling a
technique.
>
>
> Jenna Jameson.. I won't describe the technique :-)
>
>

[Doyce McIlvene]

Good one, alwaysfishking! I stand corrected! But we ain't talkin no Bass
fishin now either!!! LOL!
Cheers,
--
Doyce

"alwaysfishking" > wrote in message
...
> Doyce wrote: Name me one
> person, just one, that has become rich and famous from selling a
technique.
>
>
> Jenna Jameson.. I won't describe the technique :-)
>
>

[Doyce McIlvene]

Good one, alwaysfishking! I stand corrected! But we ain't talkin no Bass
fishin now either!!! LOL!
Cheers,
--
Doyce

"alwaysfishking" > wrote in message
...
> Doyce wrote: Name me one
> person, just one, that has become rich and famous from selling a
technique.
>
>
> Jenna Jameson.. I won't describe the technique :-)
>
>

[alwaysfishking]

No not really.....


"Doyce McIlvene" > wrote in message
...
> Good one, alwaysfishking! I stand corrected! But we ain't talkin no Bass
> fishin now either!!! LOL!
> Cheers,
> --
> Doyce
>
> "alwaysfishking" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Doyce wrote: Name me one
> > person, just one, that has become rich and famous from selling a
> technique.
> >
> >
> > Jenna Jameson.. I won't describe the technique :-)
> >
> >
>
>

[alwaysfishking]

No not really.....


"Doyce McIlvene" > wrote in message
...
> Good one, alwaysfishking! I stand corrected! But we ain't talkin no Bass
> fishin now either!!! LOL!
> Cheers,
> --
> Doyce
>
> "alwaysfishking" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Doyce wrote: Name me one
> > person, just one, that has become rich and famous from selling a
> technique.
> >
> >
> > Jenna Jameson.. I won't describe the technique :-)
> >
> >
>
>

[alwaysfishking]

No not really.....


"Doyce McIlvene" > wrote in message
...
> Good one, alwaysfishking! I stand corrected! But we ain't talkin no Bass
> fishin now either!!! LOL!
> Cheers,
> --
> Doyce
>
> "alwaysfishking" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Doyce wrote: Name me one
> > person, just one, that has become rich and famous from selling a
> technique.
> >
> >
> > Jenna Jameson.. I won't describe the technique :-)
> >
> >
>
>

[AJH]

Rodney, thanks but keep your money, I consider it a little lesson, I
bought 4 or 5 and gave then to friends and none are in use or were ever
used...I wonder how many of the other 20,000 are in use? You call it
"EZknot" I say "ezNOT" <grin>


Git-R-Done

[AJH]

Rodney, thanks but keep your money, I consider it a little lesson, I
bought 4 or 5 and gave then to friends and none are in use or were ever
used...I wonder how many of the other 20,000 are in use? You call it
"EZknot" I say "ezNOT" <grin>


Git-R-Done

[Charles B. Summers]

I'm so glad that I kill-filed Rodney a LONG time ago...

[Charles B. Summers]

I'm so glad that I kill-filed Rodney a LONG time ago...

[Charles B. Summers]

I'm so glad that I kill-filed Rodney a LONG time ago...

[Doc \(The Tin Boat King\)]

No. That was Vern Six. ;)~ Doc
====================================

"John C. French" > wrote in message . ..
Yeah, and I bet it was you, not Al Gore....that invented the internet.



"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> > Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig
by
> > tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig. The
> > length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is
fishing.
> > According to Yelas,
>
> WEll he DID not come up with it
>
> I did, and demo'ed it 3 years ago at Bass Pro, and the Classic in New
> Orleans, even have it in a video filmed 40 months ago, and Bill Dance
> using it on his show 32 months ago
>
> I will give Jay a call,, and at least get him to say he saw it elsewhere
> --
> Rodney Long,
> Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
> Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
> Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
> and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Doc \(The Tin Boat King\)]

No. That was Vern Six. ;)~ Doc
====================================

"John C. French" > wrote in message . ..
Yeah, and I bet it was you, not Al Gore....that invented the internet.



"Rodney" .> wrote in message
...
> Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> > Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig
by
> > tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig. The
> > length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is
fishing.
> > According to Yelas,
>
> WEll he DID not come up with it
>
> I did, and demo'ed it 3 years ago at Bass Pro, and the Classic in New
> Orleans, even have it in a video filmed 40 months ago, and Bill Dance
> using it on his show 32 months ago
>
> I will give Jay a call,, and at least get him to say he saw it elsewhere
> --
> Rodney Long,
> Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
> Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
> Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
> and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Rick Kovary]

"Masengale breath mints of all" relax..........
"Charles B. Summers" > wrote in message
. ..
> I'm so glad that I kill-filed Rodney a LONG time ago...
>
>
>

[Rick Kovary]

"Masengale breath mints of all" relax..........
"Charles B. Summers" > wrote in message
. ..
> I'm so glad that I kill-filed Rodney a LONG time ago...
>
>
>

[Calif Bill]

Doc, how did you and Moe survive Wind #2?

"Doc (The Tin Boat King)" > wrote in message
...
> No. That was Vern Six. ;)~ Doc
> ====================================
>
> "John C. French" > wrote in message
. ..
> Yeah, and I bet it was you, not Al Gore....that invented the internet.
>
>
>
> "Rodney" .> wrote in message
> ...
> > Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> > > Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig
> by
> > > tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig.
The
> > > length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is
> fishing.
> > > According to Yelas,
> >
> > WEll he DID not come up with it
> >
> > I did, and demo'ed it 3 years ago at Bass Pro, and the Classic in New
> > Orleans, even have it in a video filmed 40 months ago, and Bill Dance
> > using it on his show 32 months ago
> >
> > I will give Jay a call,, and at least get him to say he saw it elsewhere
> > --
> > Rodney Long,
> > Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
> > Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
> > Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
> > and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com
>
>
>
>

[Calif Bill]

Doc, how did you and Moe survive Wind #2?

"Doc (The Tin Boat King)" > wrote in message
...
> No. That was Vern Six. ;)~ Doc
> ====================================
>
> "John C. French" > wrote in message
. ..
> Yeah, and I bet it was you, not Al Gore....that invented the internet.
>
>
>
> "Rodney" .> wrote in message
> ...
> > Doyce McIlvene wrote:
> > > Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig
> by
> > > tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig.
The
> > > length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is
> fishing.
> > > According to Yelas,
> >
> > WEll he DID not come up with it
> >
> > I did, and demo'ed it 3 years ago at Bass Pro, and the Classic in New
> > Orleans, even have it in a video filmed 40 months ago, and Bill Dance
> > using it on his show 32 months ago
> >
> > I will give Jay a call,, and at least get him to say he saw it elsewhere
> > --
> > Rodney Long,
> > Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
> > Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
> > Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
> > and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com
>
>
>
>

[Rodney]

AJH wrote:
> Rodney, thanks but keep your money, I consider it a little lesson, I
> bought 4 or 5 and gave then to friends and none are in use or were ever
> used...I wonder how many of the other 20,000 are in use? You call it
> "EZknot" I say "ezNOT" <grin>

Sorry ya'll couldn't learn a new knot, or didn't want to take the time to

I would say quite a few are in use as I have 80% reorders, where they
bought for their friends, "after" they got their own., or they lost
their first one

It is just a cheaper, and easier to use "Tie-Fast" they sell those by
the millions

I've "stopped" selling the EZknot,, I don't want to be in retail, I
would rather have some big company sell my inventions, and they send me
a check every month, so I can fish every day, one person can't sell
enough of $1.50 products to make it worth his time.

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[Rodney]

AJH wrote:
> Rodney, thanks but keep your money, I consider it a little lesson, I
> bought 4 or 5 and gave then to friends and none are in use or were ever
> used...I wonder how many of the other 20,000 are in use? You call it
> "EZknot" I say "ezNOT" <grin>

Sorry ya'll couldn't learn a new knot, or didn't want to take the time to

I would say quite a few are in use as I have 80% reorders, where they
bought for their friends, "after" they got their own., or they lost
their first one

It is just a cheaper, and easier to use "Tie-Fast" they sell those by
the millions

I've "stopped" selling the EZknot,, I don't want to be in retail, I
would rather have some big company sell my inventions, and they send me
a check every month, so I can fish every day, one person can't sell
enough of $1.50 products to make it worth his time.

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

[AJH]

I found the EZnot "device" impractical to use in a fishing situation..I
think I could learn to use it as I can splice line ie eye splice, short
splice and long splice, at one time I could splice wire rope...This is
my last comment on the ezNOT device...

[Doc \(The Tin Boat King\)]

Sue & I are fine here. everything that could get broken was already busted by Charley. No new damage here. Moe is in up state
New York just east of Buffalo and is doing fine. I talked to him yesterday and he's complaining it's getting cold already. Doc
================================================== ================

"Calif Bill" > wrote in message k.net...
Doc, how did you and Moe survive Wind #2?

[Doc \(The Tin Boat King\)]

Sue & I are fine here. everything that could get broken was already busted by Charley. No new damage here. Moe is in up state
New York just east of Buffalo and is doing fine. I talked to him yesterday and he's complaining it's getting cold already. Doc
================================================== ================

"Calif Bill" > wrote in message k.net...
Doc, how did you and Moe survive Wind #2?

[go-bassn]

Me too! I'm enjoying rofb much better now, with no Al & Rodney.

Warren :-)

"Charles B. Summers" > wrote in message
. ..
> I'm so glad that I kill-filed Rodney a LONG time ago...
>
>
>

[go-bassn]

Me too! I'm enjoying rofb much better now, with no Al & Rodney.

Warren :-)

"Charles B. Summers" > wrote in message
. ..
> I'm so glad that I kill-filed Rodney a LONG time ago...
>
>
>

[Calif Bill]

I thought Moe had returned to the land of sun and bugs.
Good to hear that no more damage was done.
Bill

"Doc (The Tin Boat King)" > wrote in message
...
> Sue & I are fine here. everything that could get broken was already busted
by Charley. No new damage here. Moe is in up state
> New York just east of Buffalo and is doing fine. I talked to him
yesterday and he's complaining it's getting cold already. Doc
> ================================================== ================
>
> "Calif Bill" > wrote in message
k.net...
> Doc, how did you and Moe survive Wind #2?
>
>
>
>

[Calif Bill]

I thought Moe had returned to the land of sun and bugs.
Good to hear that no more damage was done.
Bill

"Doc (The Tin Boat King)" > wrote in message
...
> Sue & I are fine here. everything that could get broken was already busted
by Charley. No new damage here. Moe is in up state
> New York just east of Buffalo and is doing fine. I talked to him
yesterday and he's complaining it's getting cold already. Doc
> ================================================== ================
>
> "Calif Bill" > wrote in message
k.net...
> Doc, how did you and Moe survive Wind #2?
>
>
>
>

[Calif Bill]

I thought Moe had returned to the land of sun and bugs.
Good to hear that no more damage was done.
Bill

"Doc (The Tin Boat King)" > wrote in message
...
> Sue & I are fine here. everything that could get broken was already busted
by Charley. No new damage here. Moe is in up state
> New York just east of Buffalo and is doing fine. I talked to him
yesterday and he's complaining it's getting cold already. Doc
> ================================================== ================
>
> "Calif Bill" > wrote in message
k.net...
> Doc, how did you and Moe survive Wind #2?
>
>
>
>

[go-bassn]

Go get em Steve, I expect pictures.

You need the long leader in the shallows to present the bait off the bottom.
The angle of presentation is very thin in the shallows because you cast from
a longer distance.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions



"Steve & Chris Clark" > wrote in message
...
> OK, I understand what you mean now. I was thinking you were using a DS
rig
> with a slider bobber, you know the ones that has the teeny rubber thingie
> you slide on the line that is called a "stopper" because the float slides
up
> and down the line 'till it is "stopped" by the "bobber stopper". This
> little rubber thing even comes through the eyes of the rod and lays in on
> the spool of the reel. Good killer rig for suspending fish such as the
> walleye and sometimes the SMB ;-)
> With the floating plastic I was thinking you had the shot only inches away
> from the floating plastic bait of some kind.
> This weekend I am going to try a new method using the underwater camera,
> with an old rod and a quick release attached on the camera end. There are
> some huge fish suspending hooks on the graph at fifteen feet, wonder what
> type of shotting ya call this? I always say"if at first you don't
succeed,
> cheat and then give up!" :-)
> --
> Steve
> "go-bassn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I've done that too Steve. I'm not sure what you mean by the bobber
> > stopper/floating plastic. ds is deadly on bedders of both species,
> > especially in shallow water. I use about a 36" leader for shallow
> > dropshotting, everything else just the ordinary.
> >
> > Warren
> >
> > "Steve & Chris Clark" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Warren, could you elaborate on that 1' DS method? Did you, by chance,
> use
> > > it from a distance on bedded bass with a bobber stopper or was the
> plastic
> > > of the floating variety?
> > > --
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > "go-bassn" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've
ds'ed
> > in
> > > 1
> > > > foot of water with great success.
> > > >
> > > > WW
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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>

[go-bassn]

Go get em Steve, I expect pictures.

You need the long leader in the shallows to present the bait off the bottom.
The angle of presentation is very thin in the shallows because you cast from
a longer distance.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions



"Steve & Chris Clark" > wrote in message
...
> OK, I understand what you mean now. I was thinking you were using a DS
rig
> with a slider bobber, you know the ones that has the teeny rubber thingie
> you slide on the line that is called a "stopper" because the float slides
up
> and down the line 'till it is "stopped" by the "bobber stopper". This
> little rubber thing even comes through the eyes of the rod and lays in on
> the spool of the reel. Good killer rig for suspending fish such as the
> walleye and sometimes the SMB ;-)
> With the floating plastic I was thinking you had the shot only inches away
> from the floating plastic bait of some kind.
> This weekend I am going to try a new method using the underwater camera,
> with an old rod and a quick release attached on the camera end. There are
> some huge fish suspending hooks on the graph at fifteen feet, wonder what
> type of shotting ya call this? I always say"if at first you don't
succeed,
> cheat and then give up!" :-)
> --
> Steve
> "go-bassn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I've done that too Steve. I'm not sure what you mean by the bobber
> > stopper/floating plastic. ds is deadly on bedders of both species,
> > especially in shallow water. I use about a 36" leader for shallow
> > dropshotting, everything else just the ordinary.
> >
> > Warren
> >
> > "Steve & Chris Clark" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Warren, could you elaborate on that 1' DS method? Did you, by chance,
> use
> > > it from a distance on bedded bass with a bobber stopper or was the
> plastic
> > > of the floating variety?
> > > --
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > "go-bassn" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've
ds'ed
> > in
> > > 1
> > > > foot of water with great success.
> > > >
> > > > WW
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > > Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release Date: 9/13/04
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release Date: 9/13/04
>
>

[go-bassn]

Try one of the Starm natural minnows on the nests Bob.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions



"Bob La Londe" > wrote in message
...
> Ds for bedders. I like that. I have a coule repeat beds picked out for
> next season that this might just be the ticket for.
>
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>
>
> "go-bassn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've ds'ed
in
> 1
> > foot of water with great success.
> >
> > WW
> > "Bob La Londe" > wrote in message
> > news:1095444610.6+sikfEfLm5tfLwY/kq1RA@teranews...
> > > My best guess based on my total lack of skill at the technique is....
> > >
> > > Clear to lightly stained with scattered grass growing off the bottom
> upto
> > as
> > > tall as 2 feet. Depth being anywhere there are fish, but I can't see
> drop
> > > shotting in really really shallow water. For really really really
deep
> > > water I think I would tend to look more at a Carolina rig.
> > >
> > > However, there are some exceptions. I might use a drop shot in places
> > where
> > > I would flip or pitch like standing tulies in 3-6 feet of water if I
> felt
> > a
> > > more finesse presentation would work. Probably go more to a "Bubba
> > > Shotting" type app in those cases using 20lb fluorocarbon and a hook
> with
> > a
> > > weedguard. I might even use a weight with a rattle built in. My
> > > presentation for this would probably be gin clear water where I have
> seen
> > > good fish. I would back way off from the tulies to near my maximum
> > pitching
> > > distance and be prepared to kick my trolling motor upto high and crash
> > into
> > > the tulies if I hooked up a good fish.
> > >
> > > Just some thoughts. Your mileage will vary.
> > >
> > > Bob La Londe
> > > www.YumaBassMan.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "John C. French" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > > What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear or
> > > stained,
> > > > weeds or gravel, etc. Any info anyone would like to give on
conditions
> > or
> > > > techniques is appreciated. I have tried several times with out
> success.
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > >
> > > > John C. French
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[go-bassn]

Try one of the Starm natural minnows on the nests Bob.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions



"Bob La Londe" > wrote in message
...
> Ds for bedders. I like that. I have a coule repeat beds picked out for
> next season that this might just be the ticket for.
>
> --
> ** FREE Fishing Lures
> ** Weekly drawing
> ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums
> ** www.YumaBassMan.com
>
>
> "go-bassn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've ds'ed
in
> 1
> > foot of water with great success.
> >
> > WW
> > "Bob La Londe" > wrote in message
> > news:1095444610.6+sikfEfLm5tfLwY/kq1RA@teranews...
> > > My best guess based on my total lack of skill at the technique is....
> > >
> > > Clear to lightly stained with scattered grass growing off the bottom
> upto
> > as
> > > tall as 2 feet. Depth being anywhere there are fish, but I can't see
> drop
> > > shotting in really really shallow water. For really really really
deep
> > > water I think I would tend to look more at a Carolina rig.
> > >
> > > However, there are some exceptions. I might use a drop shot in places
> > where
> > > I would flip or pitch like standing tulies in 3-6 feet of water if I
> felt
> > a
> > > more finesse presentation would work. Probably go more to a "Bubba
> > > Shotting" type app in those cases using 20lb fluorocarbon and a hook
> with
> > a
> > > weedguard. I might even use a weight with a rattle built in. My
> > > presentation for this would probably be gin clear water where I have
> seen
> > > good fish. I would back way off from the tulies to near my maximum
> > pitching
> > > distance and be prepared to kick my trolling motor upto high and crash
> > into
> > > the tulies if I hooked up a good fish.
> > >
> > > Just some thoughts. Your mileage will vary.
> > >
> > > Bob La Londe
> > > www.YumaBassMan.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "John C. French" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > > What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear or
> > > stained,
> > > > weeds or gravel, etc. Any info anyone would like to give on
conditions
> > or
> > > > techniques is appreciated. I have tried several times with out
> success.
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > >
> > > > John C. French
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Bob La Londe]

Yeah, one of my buddies swears by the weighted Storm minnows. He says they
sit nose down in the bed. I was also thinking a deep diving crank bait for
those bass that are so fast to pick up a bait and spit it out. Soemthing
suspending or with a couple suspend dots to keep it down. Crank it into the
bed and then kill it.

I have another buddy who uses one of Gilbert's big waterdogs with a Daiichi
butt dragger hook for the same affect as the Storm minnows. He pushes the
hook all the way through the water dog and leaves the point exposed.
Actually TJ at Daiichi first told me about that technique.

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"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> Try one of the Starm natural minnows on the nests Bob.
>
> Warren
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>
>
> "Bob La Londe" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ds for bedders. I like that. I have a coule repeat beds picked out for
> > next season that this might just be the ticket for.
> >
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> > "go-bassn" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've ds'ed
> in
> > 1
> > > foot of water with great success.
> > >
> > > WW
> > > "Bob La Londe" > wrote in message
> > > news:1095444610.6+sikfEfLm5tfLwY/kq1RA@teranews...
> > > > My best guess based on my total lack of skill at the technique
is....
> > > >
> > > > Clear to lightly stained with scattered grass growing off the bottom
> > upto
> > > as
> > > > tall as 2 feet. Depth being anywhere there are fish, but I can't
see
> > drop
> > > > shotting in really really shallow water. For really really really
> deep
> > > > water I think I would tend to look more at a Carolina rig.
> > > >
> > > > However, there are some exceptions. I might use a drop shot in
places
> > > where
> > > > I would flip or pitch like standing tulies in 3-6 feet of water if I
> > felt
> > > a
> > > > more finesse presentation would work. Probably go more to a "Bubba
> > > > Shotting" type app in those cases using 20lb fluorocarbon and a hook
> > with
> > > a
> > > > weedguard. I might even use a weight with a rattle built in. My
> > > > presentation for this would probably be gin clear water where I have
> > seen
> > > > good fish. I would back way off from the tulies to near my maximum
> > > pitching
> > > > distance and be prepared to kick my trolling motor upto high and
crash
> > > into
> > > > the tulies if I hooked up a good fish.
> > > >
> > > > Just some thoughts. Your mileage will vary.
> > > >
> > > > Bob La Londe
> > > > www.YumaBassMan.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "John C. French" > wrote in message
> > > > . ..
> > > > > What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear
or
> > > > stained,
> > > > > weeds or gravel, etc. Any info anyone would like to give on
> conditions
> > > or
> > > > > techniques is appreciated. I have tried several times with out
> > success.
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA
> > > > >
> > > > > John C. French
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Bob La Londe]

Yeah, one of my buddies swears by the weighted Storm minnows. He says they
sit nose down in the bed. I was also thinking a deep diving crank bait for
those bass that are so fast to pick up a bait and spit it out. Soemthing
suspending or with a couple suspend dots to keep it down. Crank it into the
bed and then kill it.

I have another buddy who uses one of Gilbert's big waterdogs with a Daiichi
butt dragger hook for the same affect as the Storm minnows. He pushes the
hook all the way through the water dog and leaves the point exposed.
Actually TJ at Daiichi first told me about that technique.

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"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> Try one of the Starm natural minnows on the nests Bob.
>
> Warren
> --
> http://www.warrenwolk.com/
> http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
> 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions
>
>
>
> "Bob La Londe" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ds for bedders. I like that. I have a coule repeat beds picked out for
> > next season that this might just be the ticket for.
> >
> > --
> > ** FREE Fishing Lures
> > ** Weekly drawing
> > ** Public Fishing and Boating Forums
> > ** www.YumaBassMan.com
> >
> >
> > "go-bassn" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've ds'ed
> in
> > 1
> > > foot of water with great success.
> > >
> > > WW
> > > "Bob La Londe" > wrote in message
> > > news:1095444610.6+sikfEfLm5tfLwY/kq1RA@teranews...
> > > > My best guess based on my total lack of skill at the technique
is....
> > > >
> > > > Clear to lightly stained with scattered grass growing off the bottom
> > upto
> > > as
> > > > tall as 2 feet. Depth being anywhere there are fish, but I can't
see
> > drop
> > > > shotting in really really shallow water. For really really really
> deep
> > > > water I think I would tend to look more at a Carolina rig.
> > > >
> > > > However, there are some exceptions. I might use a drop shot in
places
> > > where
> > > > I would flip or pitch like standing tulies in 3-6 feet of water if I
> > felt
> > > a
> > > > more finesse presentation would work. Probably go more to a "Bubba
> > > > Shotting" type app in those cases using 20lb fluorocarbon and a hook
> > with
> > > a
> > > > weedguard. I might even use a weight with a rattle built in. My
> > > > presentation for this would probably be gin clear water where I have
> > seen
> > > > good fish. I would back way off from the tulies to near my maximum
> > > pitching
> > > > distance and be prepared to kick my trolling motor upto high and
crash
> > > into
> > > > the tulies if I hooked up a good fish.
> > > >
> > > > Just some thoughts. Your mileage will vary.
> > > >
> > > > Bob La Londe
> > > > www.YumaBassMan.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "John C. French" > wrote in message
> > > > . ..
> > > > > What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear
or
> > > > stained,
> > > > > weeds or gravel, etc. Any info anyone would like to give on
> conditions
> > > or
> > > > > techniques is appreciated. I have tried several times with out
> > success.
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA
> > > > >
> > > > > John C. French
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Steve & Chris Clark]

It proved there were no fish at 15 feet! I wonder what the fish ID sees?
When I changed the screen to greyline and fiddled with the setting it showed
up a thermocline !? Must be getting near turn over, the surface temp was at
64 degrees. Sorry Warren I didn't get any digitals to post but we did make
some fantastic observation on the silty bottoms and bass coming down the
bank to check out the bait that was dusting the bottom. No bites, as I
think the set up we had was just too crude. It did, however, enlighten me
somewhat what happens with a C rig and how fish approach the bait. A
strongish wind didn't allow us to stay in one spot. If we get some more
time we will refine the rig and try once again.
--
Steve

"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> Go get em Steve, I expect pictures.
>
> You need the long leader in the shallows to present the bait off the
bottom.
> The angle of presentation is very thin in the shallows because you cast
from
> a longer distance.
>
> Warren
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> http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
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[Steve & Chris Clark]

It proved there were no fish at 15 feet! I wonder what the fish ID sees?
When I changed the screen to greyline and fiddled with the setting it showed
up a thermocline !? Must be getting near turn over, the surface temp was at
64 degrees. Sorry Warren I didn't get any digitals to post but we did make
some fantastic observation on the silty bottoms and bass coming down the
bank to check out the bait that was dusting the bottom. No bites, as I
think the set up we had was just too crude. It did, however, enlighten me
somewhat what happens with a C rig and how fish approach the bait. A
strongish wind didn't allow us to stay in one spot. If we get some more
time we will refine the rig and try once again.
--
Steve

"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> Go get em Steve, I expect pictures.
>
> You need the long leader in the shallows to present the bait off the
bottom.
> The angle of presentation is very thin in the shallows because you cast
from
> a longer distance.
>
> Warren
> --
> http://www.warrenwolk.com/
> http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
> 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions



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[go-bassn]

Try dragging tubes in that wind Steve, over the rocks (not the silt).

WW

"Steve & Chris Clark" > wrote in message
...
> It proved there were no fish at 15 feet! I wonder what the fish ID sees?
> When I changed the screen to greyline and fiddled with the setting it
showed
> up a thermocline !? Must be getting near turn over, the surface temp was
at
> 64 degrees. Sorry Warren I didn't get any digitals to post but we did
make
> some fantastic observation on the silty bottoms and bass coming down the
> bank to check out the bait that was dusting the bottom. No bites, as I
> think the set up we had was just too crude. It did, however, enlighten me
> somewhat what happens with a C rig and how fish approach the bait. A
> strongish wind didn't allow us to stay in one spot. If we get some more
> time we will refine the rig and try once again.
> --
> Steve
>
> "go-bassn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Go get em Steve, I expect pictures.
> >
> > You need the long leader in the shallows to present the bait off the
> bottom.
> > The angle of presentation is very thin in the shallows because you cast
> from
> > a longer distance.
> >
> > Warren
> > --
> > http://www.warrenwolk.com/
> > http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
> > 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions
>
>
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