Hiding worm hooks.

[CR]

I'm looking for ways to improve my success in clear water. I've
switched to low-vis green 6lb mono and smaller lures. I was looking at
my 4" texas rigged senko, sitting there in about 6 inched of water and
it occurred to me that the real problem is the big, ugly, metallic
hook sticking out. What about painting it a more natural color? Maybe
hiding it somehow?

Any ideas?

Chuck.

[Bob La Londe]

"CR" > wrote in message
om...
> I'm looking for ways to improve my success in clear water. I've
> switched to low-vis green 6lb mono and smaller lures. I was looking at
> my 4" texas rigged senko, sitting there in about 6 inched of water and
> it occurred to me that the real problem is the big, ugly, metallic
> hook sticking out. What about painting it a more natural color? Maybe
> hiding it somehow?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Chuck.


How about going the other way? Maybe a bright red Daichi worm hook.


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[Chris Rennert]

CR,

Bob is right on with the red hook. This is what I switch to in clear water.
Also black nickel works good. Also I would switch from lo-vis green mono to
straight P-Line Fluorocarbon or Seaguar Carbon Pro. These steps have
improved my success in clear water, so I can personally vouch for it.

Good luck and keep us up to date on how you do.

Chris
"CR" > wrote in message
om...
> I'm looking for ways to improve my success in clear water. I've
> switched to low-vis green 6lb mono and smaller lures. I was looking at
> my 4" texas rigged senko, sitting there in about 6 inched of water and
> it occurred to me that the real problem is the big, ugly, metallic
> hook sticking out. What about painting it a more natural color? Maybe
> hiding it somehow?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Chuck.

[CR]

"Bob La Londe" > wrote in message >...
> "CR" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I'm looking for ways to improve my success in clear water. I've
> > switched to low-vis green 6lb mono and smaller lures. I was looking at
> > my 4" texas rigged senko, sitting there in about 6 inched of water and
> > it occurred to me that the real problem is the big, ugly, metallic
> > hook sticking out. What about painting it a more natural color? Maybe
> > hiding it somehow?
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Chuck.
>
>
> How about going the other way? Maybe a bright red Daichi worm hook.

Not a bad idea. At least it will look like something besides metal.

[CR]

"Chris Rennert" > wrote in message >...
> CR,
>
> Bob is right on with the red hook. This is what I switch to in clear water.
> Also black nickel works good. Also I would switch from lo-vis green mono to
> straight P-Line Fluorocarbon or Seaguar Carbon Pro. These steps have
> improved my success in clear water, so I can personally vouch for it.
>
> Good luck and keep us up to date on how you do.

I like the idea of the red hook. I was also thinking of painting the
hook to match the bait I'm using. It just seems like the hook is WAY
more visible than the line. I have to look real close to see the line,
even in a couple inches of really clear water. The hook, however,
sticks out like a sore thumb. Switching to flourocarbon seems like
ordering a diet pepsi to go with your triple cheeseburger, in my most
humble and uninformed opinion.

That being said, I'll certainly try the fluorocarbon if I can't good
results on the mono.

Thanks!

Chuck.

[ñKs]

Do you know AL?

"CR" > wrote in message
om...
> I'm looking for ways to improve my success in clear water. I've
> switched to low-vis green 6lb mono and smaller lures. I was looking at
> my 4" texas rigged senko, sitting there in about 6 inched of water and
> it occurred to me that the real problem is the big, ugly, metallic
> hook sticking out. What about painting it a more natural color? Maybe
> hiding it somehow?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Chuck.

[Chris Jones]

Chuck,
I know that the hook seems to stand out from your perspective, but from my
experiences the fish will be more receptive to changes in the line versus
hooks. I have unscientifically tested the red hook craze sweeping the
nation and from my humble experiences it mattered not at all. What did
matter was the type of hook, ie 2/0 G-Lock wide gap gammi on a 4" Senko is
my go to bait in my local clear water lakes. The fish did not seem to care
if it was red or black, at least as far as catching them was concerned.
Where as the line color in these lakes was a major factor. Green-line, no
fish. Braided-line, no fish. Clear fluro-coated P-line, Fish On!
Flurocarbon, Fish On! Berkley XL Clear line, Fish On! and suprising enough
to me I tried some Cajun Red Line and to my suprise, Fish On! A picture is
worth a 1000 words so here is a link http://www.cajunline.com/science.html
All non-superlines were 8 pound test. The braid was 2 pound - diameter.
Just my humble experiences, your mileage may vary.
Chris
"CR" > wrote in message
om...
> "Chris Rennert" > wrote in message
>...
> > CR,
> >
> > Bob is right on with the red hook. This is what I switch to in clear
water.
> > Also black nickel works good. Also I would switch from lo-vis green
mono to
> > straight P-Line Fluorocarbon or Seaguar Carbon Pro. These steps have
> > improved my success in clear water, so I can personally vouch for it.
> >
> > Good luck and keep us up to date on how you do.
>
> I like the idea of the red hook. I was also thinking of painting the
> hook to match the bait I'm using. It just seems like the hook is WAY
> more visible than the line. I have to look real close to see the line,
> even in a couple inches of really clear water. The hook, however,
> sticks out like a sore thumb. Switching to flourocarbon seems like
> ordering a diet pepsi to go with your triple cheeseburger, in my most
> humble and uninformed opinion.
>
> That being said, I'll certainly try the fluorocarbon if I can't good
> results on the mono.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chuck.

[RGarri7470]

> What about painting it a more natural color? Maybe
>hiding it somehow?
>Any ideas?
>
>Chuck.
I have a couple of suggestions in answer to your question, rather than going
off on a tangent.

Try a smaller hook and bury most of it in the worm - will make setting the hook
more difficult, but if you get more bites might pay off.

Also - use a hook with a less wide gap and let the Senko hide most of it - even
rigging it inside the worm like a jig with the point sticking out if you can
get by with an exposed hook. Or you can run the shaft of the hook right beside
the Senko and have the point on the other side, just sticking in the worm. That
will also make the hook set more difficult.

You can buy painted hooks that will match the color of the worm. I prefer
trying to hide the hook in the Senko.

Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com

[go-bassn]

Just how red is the Cajun Red Chris?

Warren
--
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http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com http://www.secretweaponlures.com
http://www.warrenwolk.com/ http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com/

"Chris Jones" > wrote in message
...
> Chuck,
> I know that the hook seems to stand out from your perspective, but from my
> experiences the fish will be more receptive to changes in the line versus
> hooks. I have unscientifically tested the red hook craze sweeping the
> nation and from my humble experiences it mattered not at all. What did
> matter was the type of hook, ie 2/0 G-Lock wide gap gammi on a 4" Senko is
> my go to bait in my local clear water lakes. The fish did not seem to
care
> if it was red or black, at least as far as catching them was concerned.
> Where as the line color in these lakes was a major factor. Green-line, no
> fish. Braided-line, no fish. Clear fluro-coated P-line, Fish On!
> Flurocarbon, Fish On! Berkley XL Clear line, Fish On! and suprising
enough
> to me I tried some Cajun Red Line and to my suprise, Fish On! A picture is
> worth a 1000 words so here is a link
http://www.cajunline.com/science.html
> All non-superlines were 8 pound test. The braid was 2 pound - diameter.
> Just my humble experiences, your mileage may vary.
> Chris
> "CR" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "Chris Rennert" > wrote in message
> >...
> > > CR,
> > >
> > > Bob is right on with the red hook. This is what I switch to in clear
> water.
> > > Also black nickel works good. Also I would switch from lo-vis green
> mono to
> > > straight P-Line Fluorocarbon or Seaguar Carbon Pro. These steps have
> > > improved my success in clear water, so I can personally vouch for it.
> > >
> > > Good luck and keep us up to date on how you do.
> >
> > I like the idea of the red hook. I was also thinking of painting the
> > hook to match the bait I'm using. It just seems like the hook is WAY
> > more visible than the line. I have to look real close to see the line,
> > even in a couple inches of really clear water. The hook, however,
> > sticks out like a sore thumb. Switching to flourocarbon seems like
> > ordering a diet pepsi to go with your triple cheeseburger, in my most
> > humble and uninformed opinion.
> >
> > That being said, I'll certainly try the fluorocarbon if I can't good
> > results on the mono.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Chuck.
>
>

[go-bassn]

The hooks I use with Senko's are made of very fine, light wire. I wacky rig
them & feel the fish never see them.

Warren
--
http://www.fishingworld.com/MesaTackleSupply/
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com http://www.secretweaponlures.com
http://www.warrenwolk.com/ http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com/

"RGarri7470" > wrote in message
...
> > What about painting it a more natural color? Maybe
> >hiding it somehow?
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >Chuck.
> I have a couple of suggestions in answer to your question, rather than
going
> off on a tangent.
>
> Try a smaller hook and bury most of it in the worm - will make setting the
hook
> more difficult, but if you get more bites might pay off.
>
> Also - use a hook with a less wide gap and let the Senko hide most of it -
even
> rigging it inside the worm like a jig with the point sticking out if you
can
> get by with an exposed hook. Or you can run the shaft of the hook right
beside
> the Senko and have the point on the other side, just sticking in the worm.
That
> will also make the hook set more difficult.
>
> You can buy painted hooks that will match the color of the worm. I prefer
> trying to hide the hook in the Senko.
>
> Ronnie
>
> http://fishing.about.com

[Marty]

CR > wrote in message
om...
> Not a bad idea. At least it will look like something besides metal.

Just my gut feelings here, but what's wrong with metal? I don't think the
bass knows the difference between soft plastic and metal. YOU do, of course.
How many millions of bass have been caught in clear water with dangling
trebles, split rings, spinnerbait arms and the like?

[Chris Jones]

Warren, It is very red. Hot red. Christmas red. You get the idea! I
thought it was a gimmic but had to try, I am very gullible when it comes to
fishing tackle/equipment. Always have to try new/neat stuff I find. I was
one of those that got the Helicopter lure that Roland was hawking. But I
must truthfully say that the Cajun line worked and worked well for
monofiliment applications. It is still on my spinning rig for skipping
senkos.
Chris
"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> Just how red is the Cajun Red Chris?
>
> Warren
> --
> http://www.fishingworld.com/MesaTackleSupply/
> http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com http://www.secretweaponlures.com
> http://www.warrenwolk.com/ http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com/
>
> "Chris Jones" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Chuck,
> > I know that the hook seems to stand out from your perspective, but from
my
> > experiences the fish will be more receptive to changes in the line
versus
> > hooks. I have unscientifically tested the red hook craze sweeping the
> > nation and from my humble experiences it mattered not at all. What did
> > matter was the type of hook, ie 2/0 G-Lock wide gap gammi on a 4" Senko
is
> > my go to bait in my local clear water lakes. The fish did not seem to
> care
> > if it was red or black, at least as far as catching them was concerned.
> > Where as the line color in these lakes was a major factor. Green-line,
no
> > fish. Braided-line, no fish. Clear fluro-coated P-line, Fish On!
> > Flurocarbon, Fish On! Berkley XL Clear line, Fish On! and suprising
> enough
> > to me I tried some Cajun Red Line and to my suprise, Fish On! A picture
is
> > worth a 1000 words so here is a link
> http://www.cajunline.com/science.html
> > All non-superlines were 8 pound test. The braid was 2 pound - diameter.
> > Just my humble experiences, your mileage may vary.
> > Chris
> > "CR" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > "Chris Rennert" > wrote in message
> > >...
> > > > CR,
> > > >
> > > > Bob is right on with the red hook. This is what I switch to in
clear
> > water.
> > > > Also black nickel works good. Also I would switch from lo-vis green
> > mono to
> > > > straight P-Line Fluorocarbon or Seaguar Carbon Pro. These steps
have
> > > > improved my success in clear water, so I can personally vouch for
it.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck and keep us up to date on how you do.
> > >
> > > I like the idea of the red hook. I was also thinking of painting the
> > > hook to match the bait I'm using. It just seems like the hook is WAY
> > > more visible than the line. I have to look real close to see the line,
> > > even in a couple inches of really clear water. The hook, however,
> > > sticks out like a sore thumb. Switching to flourocarbon seems like
> > > ordering a diet pepsi to go with your triple cheeseburger, in my most
> > > humble and uninformed opinion.
> > >
> > > That being said, I'll certainly try the fluorocarbon if I can't good
> > > results on the mono.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Chuck.
> >
> >
>
>

[AJH]

Isn't red one of the first colors to disapear under water?





I fish therefore I lie

[Chris Rennert]

CR,

I wouldn't paint the hook, It slows down on your penetration time and could
lead to lost fish. Gamakatsu painted some hooks with fluorescent colors,
and I was having a heck of a time burying the hook with light line.

Chris
"CR" > wrote in message
om...
> "Chris Rennert" > wrote in message
>...
> > CR,
> >
> > Bob is right on with the red hook. This is what I switch to in clear
water.
> > Also black nickel works good. Also I would switch from lo-vis green
mono to
> > straight P-Line Fluorocarbon or Seaguar Carbon Pro. These steps have
> > improved my success in clear water, so I can personally vouch for it.
> >
> > Good luck and keep us up to date on how you do.
>
> I like the idea of the red hook. I was also thinking of painting the
> hook to match the bait I'm using. It just seems like the hook is WAY
> more visible than the line. I have to look real close to see the line,
> even in a couple inches of really clear water. The hook, however,
> sticks out like a sore thumb. Switching to flourocarbon seems like
> ordering a diet pepsi to go with your triple cheeseburger, in my most
> humble and uninformed opinion.
>
> That being said, I'll certainly try the fluorocarbon if I can't good
> results on the mono.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chuck.

[Nikolay]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, AJH wrote:
> Isn't red one of the first colors to disapear under water?

That's what they say ... but why then we use red lures ?
Any ideas?

[Chris Rennert]

Disappears, well disappears as in turns black, but that is all dependent on
water color and depth. I believe in gin clear water you can still see red
at 10ft. I can't remember specifics, but I will look them up and try to add
more to this post. Other colors such as orange and chartreuse will be
visible deeper.

Chris
"AJH" > wrote in message
...
> Isn't red one of the first colors to disapear under water?
>
>
>
>
>
> I fish therefore I lie
>

[Nikolay]

Good point Chris. That explains why red lures work. I guess it may be
different with the line if it is translucent-red ... or maybe not. Maybe
it just turns black as well. OK, back to RichZ's Black Magic Marker on my
braids :-)

And BTW, aren't we getting carried away? Fly fishermen use Bright Orange
Line (pretty thick too), Braided Leaders, flies with the Hook being the
most visible part of them, and still catch fish (incl. Bass) in gin-clear
shallow water! It seems to me fish doesn't see the things exactly the way
we do (how else would you explain them hitting spinnerbaits?).
Unfortunately, we'll never know for sure until they (the fish) start
speaking to us. Until then - use the thing you feel confident with and
have fun.

Cheers,
Nikolay

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Chris Rennert wrote:

> Disappears, well disappears as in turns black, but that is all dependent on
> water color and depth. I believe in gin clear water you can still see red
> at 10ft. I can't remember specifics, but I will look them up and try to add
> more to this post. Other colors such as orange and chartreuse will be
> visible deeper.
>
> Chris
> "AJH" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Isn't red one of the first colors to disapear under water?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I fish therefore I lie
> >
>
>
>

[Chris Rennert]

Are you talking to me? Is that supposed to be some kind of knock on my
advice? From what I remember AL was a troll on this newsgroup, are you
putting me in that category????

Chris
"ñKs" > wrote in message
...
> Do you know AL?
>
> "CR" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I'm looking for ways to improve my success in clear water. I've
> > switched to low-vis green 6lb mono and smaller lures. I was looking at
> > my 4" texas rigged senko, sitting there in about 6 inched of water and
> > it occurred to me that the real problem is the big, ugly, metallic
> > hook sticking out. What about painting it a more natural color? Maybe
> > hiding it somehow?
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Chuck.
>
>

[Chris Rennert]

Nevermind, I got lined up incorrectly, thought you were replying to me.
"ñKs" > wrote in message
...
> Do you know AL?
>
> "CR" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I'm looking for ways to improve my success in clear water. I've
> > switched to low-vis green 6lb mono and smaller lures. I was looking at
> > my 4" texas rigged senko, sitting there in about 6 inched of water and
> > it occurred to me that the real problem is the big, ugly, metallic
> > hook sticking out. What about painting it a more natural color? Maybe
> > hiding it somehow?
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Chuck.
>
>

[CR]

"Chris Rennert" > wrote in message >...
> CR,
>
> I wouldn't paint the hook, It slows down on your penetration time and could
> lead to lost fish. Gamakatsu painted some hooks with fluorescent colors,
> and I was having a heck of a time burying the hook with light line.

I was thinking about that. I really like using light wire hooks and
paint may defeat the purpose. This is getting too complicated! Maybe
I'll just use black. At least its an improvement over bronze.

[AJH]

I like clear crankbaits with a little blue in "gin" clear
water..fluorescent line doesn't seem to matter.





I fish therefore I lie

[CR]

Nikolay > wrote in message >...
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, AJH wrote:
> > Isn't red one of the first colors to disapear under water?
>
> That's what they say ... but why then we use red lures ?
> Any ideas?

Maybe that's why red hooks work?

[Nikolay]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, CR wrote:
>
> Maybe that's why red hooks work?

I think the official theory about red hooks was that they work because
they make the bait look like it's bleeding ...

Also I think I kind of mixed the two threads in my previous post - the
one about red line that "dissapears" and this one. Sorry about that.

[Nikolay]

And also I think I should use the spell check more often.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Nikolay wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, CR wrote:
> >
> > Maybe that's why red hooks work?
>
> I think the official theory about red hooks was that they work because
> they make the bait look like it's bleeding ...
>
> Also I think I kind of mixed the two threads in my previous post - the
> one about red line that "dissapears" and this one. Sorry about that.
>
>

[ñKs]

Gee Chris, I thought you could read threads.

"Chris Rennert" > wrote in message
. ..
> Are you talking to me? Is that supposed to be some kind of knock on my
> advice? From what I remember AL was a troll on this newsgroup, are you
> putting me in that category????
>
> Chris
> "ñKs" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Do you know AL?
> >
> > "CR" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > I'm looking for ways to improve my success in clear water. I've
> > > switched to low-vis green 6lb mono and smaller lures. I was looking at
> > > my 4" texas rigged senko, sitting there in about 6 inched of water and
> > > it occurred to me that the real problem is the big, ugly, metallic
> > > hook sticking out. What about painting it a more natural color? Maybe
> > > hiding it somehow?
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Chuck.
> >
> >
>
>

[Illinois Fisherman]

I usually only hide the hook to make the bait weedless. Fish really do not
know hooks - trust me on this.


"CR" > wrote in message
om...
> I'm looking for ways to improve my success in clear water. I've
> switched to low-vis green 6lb mono and smaller lures. I was looking at
> my 4" texas rigged senko, sitting there in about 6 inched of water and
> it occurred to me that the real problem is the big, ugly, metallic
> hook sticking out. What about painting it a more natural color? Maybe
> hiding it somehow?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Chuck.

[Bob La Londe]

"CR" > wrote in message
om...
> I'm looking for ways to improve my success in clear water. I've
> switched to low-vis green 6lb mono and smaller lures. I was looking at
> my 4" texas rigged senko, sitting there in about 6 inched of water and
> it occurred to me that the real problem is the big, ugly, metallic
> hook sticking out. What about painting it a more natural color? Maybe
> hiding it somehow?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Chuck.


Another option don't think anybody mentioned specifically. Use a hook with
a weed guard. I have found that I have a problem with neavy body jerk baits
just sliding right out of a fishes mouth due to the amount of force needed
to force the hook through the rubber. My cousin Jeff and I were fishing
Bass Assassins in heavy weeds back in July of this year and I rigged him up
with an exposed point seeup on a hook with a wire weedguard. He caught
several fish on that rig.


--
Bob La Londe
Yuma, Az
http://www.YumaBassMan.com
Promote Your Fishing, Boating, or Guide Site for Free
Simply add it to our index page.
No reciprocal link required. (Requested, but not required)

[Chris Rennert]

Oh well, I guess I am to jumpy
"ñKs" > wrote in message
...
> Gee Chris, I thought you could read threads.
>
> "Chris Rennert" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Are you talking to me? Is that supposed to be some kind of knock on my
> > advice? From what I remember AL was a troll on this newsgroup, are you
> > putting me in that category????
> >
> > Chris
> > "ñKs" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Do you know AL?
> > >
> > > "CR" > wrote in message
> > > om...
> > > > I'm looking for ways to improve my success in clear water. I've
> > > > switched to low-vis green 6lb mono and smaller lures. I was looking
at
> > > > my 4" texas rigged senko, sitting there in about 6 inched of water
and
> > > > it occurred to me that the real problem is the big, ugly, metallic
> > > > hook sticking out. What about painting it a more natural color?
Maybe
> > > > hiding it somehow?
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > Chuck.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[CR]

"Chris Rennert" > wrote in message >...
> Nevermind, I got lined up incorrectly, thought you were replying to me.
> "ñKs" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Do you know AL?
> >
> > "CR" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > I'm looking for ways to improve my success in clear water. I've
> > > switched to low-vis green 6lb mono and smaller lures. I was looking at
> > > my 4" texas rigged senko, sitting there in about 6 inched of water and
> > > it occurred to me that the real problem is the big, ugly, metallic
> > > hook sticking out. What about painting it a more natural color? Maybe
> > > hiding it somehow?
> > >
> > > Any ideas?

I guess he was talking to me. Am I supposed to be insulted? :)

[CR]

"Chris Rennert" > wrote in message >...
> CR,
>
> Bob is right on with the red hook. This is what I switch to in clear water.
> Also black nickel works good. Also I would switch from lo-vis green mono to
> straight P-Line Fluorocarbon or Seaguar Carbon Pro. These steps have
> improved my success in clear water, so I can personally vouch for it.

I'm seriously thinking about trying the P-Line Fluoro. Why the
straight P-Line and not the coated? I thought I heard somewhere that
the pure fluoro line was stiff and harder to cast on a spinning reel
than the coated kind. I'd hate to lose too much casting distance since
I'm using light lures.

[Chris Rennert]

Truthfully, the newer P-Line Fluorocarbon is not really bad for spooling.
IF you are more comfortable with the Fluoroclear I think you would be fine
using that plus a pure fluoro leader. I personally use a double Surgeons
knot to attach all my leaders to the main line, and haven't ever had a
problem with slippage. That knot is awesome!

Good luck,

Chris
"CR" > wrote in message
om...
> "Chris Rennert" > wrote in message
>...
> > CR,
> >
> > Bob is right on with the red hook. This is what I switch to in clear
water.
> > Also black nickel works good. Also I would switch from lo-vis green
mono to
> > straight P-Line Fluorocarbon or Seaguar Carbon Pro. These steps have
> > improved my success in clear water, so I can personally vouch for it.
>
> I'm seriously thinking about trying the P-Line Fluoro. Why the
> straight P-Line and not the coated? I thought I heard somewhere that
> the pure fluoro line was stiff and harder to cast on a spinning reel
> than the coated kind. I'd hate to lose too much casting distance since
> I'm using light lures.

[ñKs]

No problem ;-)

"Chris Rennert" > wrote in message
. ..
> Oh well, I guess I am to jumpy
> "ñKs" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Gee Chris, I thought you could read threads.
> >
> > "Chris Rennert" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > Are you talking to me? Is that supposed to be some kind of knock on
my
> > > advice? From what I remember AL was a troll on this newsgroup, are
you
> > > putting me in that category????
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > "ñKs" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Do you know AL?
> > > >
> > > > "CR" > wrote in message
> > > > om...
> > > > > I'm looking for ways to improve my success in clear water. I've
> > > > > switched to low-vis green 6lb mono and smaller lures. I was
looking
> at
> > > > > my 4" texas rigged senko, sitting there in about 6 inched of water
> and
> > > > > it occurred to me that the real problem is the big, ugly, metallic
> > > > > hook sticking out. What about painting it a more natural color?
> Maybe
> > > > > hiding it somehow?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Dwayne E. Cooper]

On 10 Dec 2003 07:22:51 -0800, (CR) wrote:

>I'm looking for ways to improve my success in clear water. I've
>switched to low-vis green 6lb mono and smaller lures. I was looking at
>my 4" texas rigged senko, sitting there in about 6 inched of water and
>it occurred to me that the real problem is the big, ugly, metallic
>hook sticking out. What about painting it a more natural color? Maybe
>hiding it somehow?

I'm with the small group that says don't hide the hook...but
highlight your lure in a small, but very noticeable way to the fish.
Here's my tip that I've used to catch hundreds of bass in extremely
clear water when almost everyone else was struggling:

Add a small bead and a propeller blade (see
http://www.worthco.com/fish/propeller.html ) to the front of your
worm. If you are fishing shallow...there may be no need for a sinker.
If you are fishing deep, you can carolina rig this outfit. I picked
up this tip from my dad who put it on me in a deep, clear strip pit
one day when we were faced with tough bluebird conditions.

When I was a kid, there used to be a guy by the name of Kunkel
(Gus was his first name...I think) who used to make these odd-looking
4" straight worms that featured 3 small hooks embedded in the worm
with a small spinner in the front which was surrounded by a few red
beads. It was a great bait back then and, although it has been
discontinued by the original maker, the copy-cat reproductions (mostly
in the northern US) continue to catch large numbers of bass especially
in clear waters...

--
Dwayne E. Cooper, Atty at Law
Indianapolis, IN
Email:
Web Page: http://www.cooperlegalservices.com
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1st Annual ROFB Classic Winner

[CR]

"Bob La Londe" > wrote in message
>
> Another option don't think anybody mentioned specifically. Use a hook with
> a weed guard. I have found that I have a problem with neavy body jerk baits
> just sliding right out of a fishes mouth due to the amount of force needed
> to force the hook through the rubber. My cousin Jeff and I were fishing
> Bass Assassins in heavy weeds back in July of this year and I rigged him up
> with an exposed point seeup on a hook with a wire weedguard. He caught
> several fish on that rig.

I just ordered some Case Sinkin Salty Minnows. They are basically a
smaller, saltier version of Zoom Super Flukes. I'm hoping that their
reduced size and slightly softer texture will make it easier to set
the hook. Plus with a small hook I can hide it in the "belly" of the
minnow.

[CR]

Dwayne E. Cooper > wrote in message >...
> On 10 Dec 2003 07:22:51 -0800, (CR) wrote:
>
> >I'm looking for ways to improve my success in clear water. I've
> >switched to low-vis green 6lb mono and smaller lures. I was looking at
> >my 4" texas rigged senko, sitting there in about 6 inched of water and
> >it occurred to me that the real problem is the big, ugly, metallic
> >hook sticking out. What about painting it a more natural color? Maybe
> >hiding it somehow?
>
> I'm with the small group that says don't hide the hook...but
> highlight your lure in a small, but very noticeable way to the fish.
> Here's my tip that I've used to catch hundreds of bass in extremely
> clear water when almost everyone else was struggling:
>
> Add a small bead and a propeller blade (see
> http://www.worthco.com/fish/propeller.html ) to the front of your
> worm. If you are fishing shallow...there may be no need for a sinker.
> If you are fishing deep, you can carolina rig this outfit. I picked
> up this tip from my dad who put it on me in a deep, clear strip pit
> one day when we were faced with tough bluebird conditions.

I'm not doubting that this works but what is the theory behind this? I
always thought the standard rule was to use less flash and vibration
in clear water. The thinking being that the fish has no trouble
finding your lure so keep it as real and simple as possible. Compared
to murky water where you want to draw attention to your lure. For
example with a spinnerbait or crankbait.

[Chris Rennert]

CR,

That is definitely a rule I follow no matter what species I am chasing, so
in my opinion that is a great rule to follow, on the other hand, all fish
are individuals and sometimes it seems all rules get thrown out the window
:)

Chris
"CR" > wrote in message
om...
> Dwayne E. Cooper > wrote in message
>...
> > On 10 Dec 2003 07:22:51 -0800, (CR) wrote:
> >
> > >I'm looking for ways to improve my success in clear water. I've
> > >switched to low-vis green 6lb mono and smaller lures. I was looking at
> > >my 4" texas rigged senko, sitting there in about 6 inched of water and
> > >it occurred to me that the real problem is the big, ugly, metallic
> > >hook sticking out. What about painting it a more natural color? Maybe
> > >hiding it somehow?
> >
> > I'm with the small group that says don't hide the hook...but
> > highlight your lure in a small, but very noticeable way to the fish.
> > Here's my tip that I've used to catch hundreds of bass in extremely
> > clear water when almost everyone else was struggling:
> >
> > Add a small bead and a propeller blade (see
> > http://www.worthco.com/fish/propeller.html ) to the front of your
> > worm. If you are fishing shallow...there may be no need for a sinker.
> > If you are fishing deep, you can carolina rig this outfit. I picked
> > up this tip from my dad who put it on me in a deep, clear strip pit
> > one day when we were faced with tough bluebird conditions.
>
> I'm not doubting that this works but what is the theory behind this? I
> always thought the standard rule was to use less flash and vibration
> in clear water. The thinking being that the fish has no trouble
> finding your lure so keep it as real and simple as possible. Compared
> to murky water where you want to draw attention to your lure. For
> example with a spinnerbait or crankbait.