Optimal Hook Opinions

[go-bassn]

My jury's still out on these two, I appreciate your detailed opinions. I'm
still looking for the optimum hooks to use with these baits:

1) 4-4.5" Flippin' Tube

2) Horny Toad

Please only reply if you've got a REAL WINNER, and please tell me what makes
them so good. I need something that holds up well, and won't turn to rust
just because it's exposed to humid air for a few minutes.

Last week on the Hudson I lost a 4#+ because the barb on my hook had turned
to dust.

I wasn't happy.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions

[Chris Rennert]

Warren,

As you know I am a huge Daiichi fan, I use Daiichis for every single type of
fishing I do. Put it this way, if I got a shot at the Classic tomorrow, I
would only have Daiichi Wide Gap hooks tied on my flipping / pitching rods.

What makes them great to me, first they are amazingly sharp, and strong. I
have never EVER bent a point on one of those hooks. The points are
perfectly round and not a cutting edge, so the hook penetrates and no cuts a
hole in the fishes mouth. I have pulled 10lb steelhead up stream with a #4
DAiichi 4660 jig hook and didn't even bend it a bit. They are chemically
sharpened which also makes them very quick at penetrating (no traces of
excess metal).

I hope this helps, like I said, If I got a shot at the Bassmasters Classic
tomorrow, it would be all Daiichi, I use them for flipping/Pitching, on my
crankbaits (except for Triple grips on the back), on all my jigs from float
and fly to tubes and mushroom heads.

Chris Rennert
"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> My jury's still out on these two, I appreciate your detailed opinions.
> I'm
> still looking for the optimum hooks to use with these baits:
>
> 1) 4-4.5" Flippin' Tube
>
> 2) Horny Toad
>
> Please only reply if you've got a REAL WINNER, and please tell me what
> makes
> them so good. I need something that holds up well, and won't turn to rust
> just because it's exposed to humid air for a few minutes.
>
> Last week on the Hudson I lost a 4#+ because the barb on my hook had
> turned
> to dust.
>
> I wasn't happy.
>
> Warren
> --
> http://www.warrenwolk.com/
> http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
> 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions
>
>
>
>
>

[Thundercat]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:00:04 -0400, "go-bassn"
> wrote:

>My jury's still out on these two, I appreciate your detailed opinions. I'm
>still looking for the optimum hooks to use with these baits:
>
>1) 4-4.5" Flippin' Tube
>
>2) Horny Toad

I have been very happy with 4/0 texposers on the Horny Toad. Up one
size from what I was using at NWC. I haven't missed a hookset with
them yet (I think I just jinxed myself...oh well). The trick is
getting them rigged with an ever so sligh bow in the belly so they
keel properly. It also keeps the hook's business end on the top side
of the bait so the weed removal after every cast is minimal. A couple
spritzes of an oily attractant seems to help it work through the muck
a bit cleaner also. But that's just me, YMMV.

Harry J aka Thundercat
Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team
http://www.geocities.com/brooklynbill2003/products.html
Share the knowledge, compete on execution.

[Thundercat]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:00:04 -0400, "go-bassn"
> wrote:

>My jury's still out on these two, I appreciate your detailed opinions. I'm
>still looking for the optimum hooks to use with these baits:
>
>1) 4-4.5" Flippin' Tube
>
>2) Horny Toad

I have been very happy with 4/0 texposers on the Horny Toad. Up one
size from what I was using at NWC. I haven't missed a hookset with
them yet (I think I just jinxed myself...oh well). The trick is
getting them rigged with an ever so sligh bow in the belly so they
keel properly. It also keeps the hook's business end on the top side
of the bait so the weed removal after every cast is minimal. A couple
spritzes of an oily attractant seems to help it work through the muck
a bit cleaner also. But that's just me, YMMV.

Harry J aka Thundercat
Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team
http://www.geocities.com/brooklynbill2003/products.html
Share the knowledge, compete on execution.

[John Kerr]

Please only reply if you've got a REAL WINNER.
Warren
--
Was thinking about relying, but this kinda intimidated me <grin>.
JK

[BassMr]

John,if you love bass fishing,(and I know you do) you are already a REAL
WINNER.
"John Kerr" > wrote in message
...
>
> Please only reply if you've got a REAL WINNER.
> Warren
> --
> Was thinking about relying, but this kinda intimidated me <grin>.
> JK
>

[alwaysfishking]

I was using the Matzuo 5/0 J Bend hook on the toads with good success. I did
lose a few that I thought I hooked good but came unbuttoned. Seems the way I
was rigging them the frog would turn over every now and then on the
retrieve, which would explain the lost fish. I added a rubber band keeping
the hook tight to the toad. The J bend hook runs high above the frog with
the rubber band attached, excellent on the hookset now due to the thick
bodied frog, you need all the exposed hook you can get IMO, You can also add
a trailer hook to them. I would suggest the strike king red trailer hooks, I
have caught quite a few fish on these frogs since using them and with the
fall bite starting to kick in up here the fish have been coming out to hit
the frogs I saw one fish come from about 10-15 feet to smash one yesterday.


I would suggest using the texposer 3/0 or 4/0 on the tubes. I don't fish a
lot of tubes but never really had any problems with the texposer when I do.
Just my two cents





"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> My jury's still out on these two, I appreciate your detailed opinions.
I'm
> still looking for the optimum hooks to use with these baits:
>
> 1) 4-4.5" Flippin' Tube
>
> 2) Horny Toad
>
> Please only reply if you've got a REAL WINNER, and please tell me what
makes
> them so good. I need something that holds up well, and won't turn to rust
> just because it's exposed to humid air for a few minutes.
>
> Last week on the Hudson I lost a 4#+ because the barb on my hook had
turned
> to dust.
>
> I wasn't happy.
>
> Warren
> --
> http://www.warrenwolk.com/
> http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
> 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions
>
>
>
>
>

[Scott Seidman]

"go-bassn" > wrote in
:

> My jury's still out on these two, I appreciate your detailed opinions.
> I'm still looking for the optimum hooks to use with these baits:
>
> 1) 4-4.5" Flippin' Tube
>
> 2) Horny Toad
>
> Please only reply if you've got a REAL WINNER, and please tell me what
> makes them so good. I need something that holds up well, and won't
> turn to rust just because it's exposed to humid air for a few minutes.
>
> Last week on the Hudson I lost a 4#+ because the barb on my hook had
> turned to dust.
>
> I wasn't happy.
>
> Warren
> --
> http://www.warrenwolk.com/
> http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
> 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions
>
>
>
>
>

http://www.daiichihooks.com/products/index.html

I use daiichi for most of my flies. The only rust problem I've ever had
was when a fly box got wet.

If you can't tolerate any rust, ever, go to stainless hooks.

[John Kerr]

Re: Optimal Hook Opinions
Warren, thanks...I was just funnin with ya....I use what ever my kid
puts in the "care packages", so I really couldn't compare other products
fairly...I no longer fish competively, except with my self, so I just
have fun with what I have at hand :). But I am paying attention to the
replys..I might be tempted to "buy" something. :)
JK

(BassMr)
John,if you love bass fishing,(and I know you do) you are already a REAL
WINNER.
======
Please only reply if you've got a REAL WINNER. Warren
--
Was thinking about relying, but this kinda intimidated me <grin>. JK

[John Kerr]

Re: Optimal Hook Opinions
Warren, thanks...I was just funnin with ya....I use what ever my kid
puts in the "care packages", so I really couldn't compare other products
fairly...I no longer fish competively, except with my self, so I just
have fun with what I have at hand :). But I am paying attention to the
replys..I might be tempted to "buy" something. :)
JK

(BassMr)
John,if you love bass fishing,(and I know you do) you are already a REAL
WINNER.
======
Please only reply if you've got a REAL WINNER. Warren
--
Was thinking about relying, but this kinda intimidated me <grin>. JK

[RichZ]

Warren, I use the 4/0 Texposer on both. I'll get a pack in the mail for you
to try tomorrow.

RichZ©
www.richz.com/fishing

[go-bassn]

OK Chris, give me a size & model for the lures I mentioned...

WW
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions



"Chris Rennert" > wrote in message
. ..
> Warren,
>
> As you know I am a huge Daiichi fan, I use Daiichis for every single type
of
> fishing I do. Put it this way, if I got a shot at the Classic tomorrow, I
> would only have Daiichi Wide Gap hooks tied on my flipping / pitching
rods.
>
> What makes them great to me, first they are amazingly sharp, and strong.
I
> have never EVER bent a point on one of those hooks. The points are
> perfectly round and not a cutting edge, so the hook penetrates and no cuts
a
> hole in the fishes mouth. I have pulled 10lb steelhead up stream with a
#4
> DAiichi 4660 jig hook and didn't even bend it a bit. They are chemically
> sharpened which also makes them very quick at penetrating (no traces of
> excess metal).
>
> I hope this helps, like I said, If I got a shot at the Bassmasters Classic
> tomorrow, it would be all Daiichi, I use them for flipping/Pitching, on my
> crankbaits (except for Triple grips on the back), on all my jigs from
float
> and fly to tubes and mushroom heads.
>
> Chris Rennert
> "go-bassn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > My jury's still out on these two, I appreciate your detailed opinions.
> > I'm
> > still looking for the optimum hooks to use with these baits:
> >
> > 1) 4-4.5" Flippin' Tube
> >
> > 2) Horny Toad
> >
> > Please only reply if you've got a REAL WINNER, and please tell me what
> > makes
> > them so good. I need something that holds up well, and won't turn to
rust
> > just because it's exposed to humid air for a few minutes.
> >
> > Last week on the Hudson I lost a 4#+ because the barb on my hook had
> > turned
> > to dust.
> >
> > I wasn't happy.
> >
> > Warren
> > --
> > http://www.warrenwolk.com/
> > http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
> > 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[go-bassn]

Scott I've got a box of Gamakatsu hooks that I know has gotten wet inside &
out. I've never seen rust in there, that's all I can tell you.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions



"Scott Seidman" > wrote in message
. 1.4...
> "go-bassn" > wrote in
> :
>
> > My jury's still out on these two, I appreciate your detailed opinions.
> > I'm still looking for the optimum hooks to use with these baits:
> >
> > 1) 4-4.5" Flippin' Tube
> >
> > 2) Horny Toad
> >
> > Please only reply if you've got a REAL WINNER, and please tell me what
> > makes them so good. I need something that holds up well, and won't
> > turn to rust just because it's exposed to humid air for a few minutes.
> >
> > Last week on the Hudson I lost a 4#+ because the barb on my hook had
> > turned to dust.
> >
> > I wasn't happy.
> >
> > Warren
> > --
> > http://www.warrenwolk.com/
> > http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
> > 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> http://www.daiichihooks.com/products/index.html
>
> I use daiichi for most of my flies. The only rust problem I've ever had
> was when a fly box got wet.
>
> If you can't tolerate any rust, ever, go to stainless hooks.
>

[go-bassn]

You sir, are a good man! I saw them in action on Boom, on someone else's
line of course, and was impressed as the gentleman had a
less-than-picturesque hook-set ;-)

I never even considered them for tubes because of their shape.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions



"RichZ" > wrote in message
...
> Warren, I use the 4/0 Texposer on both. I'll get a pack in the mail for
you
> to try tomorrow.
>
> RichZ©
> www.richz.com/fishing
>

[Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers]

"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> My jury's still out on these two, I appreciate your detailed opinions.
I'm
> still looking for the optimum hooks to use with these baits:
>
> 1) 4-4.5" Flippin' Tube
>
> 2) Horny Toad
>
> Please only reply if you've got a REAL WINNER, and please tell me what
makes
> them so good. I need something that holds up well, and won't turn to rust
> just because it's exposed to humid air for a few minutes.
>
> Last week on the Hudson I lost a 4#+ because the barb on my hook had
turned
> to dust.
>
> I wasn't happy.

Warren,

I've been very happy with Texposer, Gamakatsu and Eagle Claw Laser Sharp
hooks. While I do lose the occasional fish, it's probably more my fault
than the hooks.

One thing that I've been doing lately is putting a Blue Vapor Foam Mister
Rust Inhibitor (http://www.cotee.com/blue.htm) in my hook box and I haven't
had a single problem with rust since doing that. Normally, whenever I see
hooks at a decent price, I try to stock up and at least twice a year, I end
up throwing away rusted hooks. I haven't had to ditch a single hook this
season.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

[Jerry Barton \(NervisRek\)]

Still waiting on my picture Randy!

"alwaysfishking" > wrote in message
...
> I was using the Matzuo 5/0 J Bend hook on the toads with good success. I
did
> lose a few that I thought I hooked good but came unbuttoned. Seems the way
I
> was rigging them the frog would turn over every now and then on the
> retrieve, which would explain the lost fish. I added a rubber band keeping
> the hook tight to the toad. The J bend hook runs high above the frog with
> the rubber band attached, excellent on the hookset now due to the thick
> bodied frog, you need all the exposed hook you can get IMO, You can also
add
> a trailer hook to them. I would suggest the strike king red trailer hooks,
I
> have caught quite a few fish on these frogs since using them and with the
> fall bite starting to kick in up here the fish have been coming out to hit
> the frogs I saw one fish come from about 10-15 feet to smash one
yesterday.
>
>
> I would suggest using the texposer 3/0 or 4/0 on the tubes. I don't fish a
> lot of tubes but never really had any problems with the texposer when I
do.
> Just my two cents
>
>
>
>
>
> "go-bassn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > My jury's still out on these two, I appreciate your detailed opinions.
> I'm
> > still looking for the optimum hooks to use with these baits:
> >
> > 1) 4-4.5" Flippin' Tube
> >
> > 2) Horny Toad
> >
> > Please only reply if you've got a REAL WINNER, and please tell me what
> makes
> > them so good. I need something that holds up well, and won't turn to
rust
> > just because it's exposed to humid air for a few minutes.
> >
> > Last week on the Hudson I lost a 4#+ because the barb on my hook had
> turned
> > to dust.
> >
> > I wasn't happy.
> >
> > Warren
> > --
> > http://www.warrenwolk.com/
> > http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
> > 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Huck Palmatier]

.....you know those little silica gel packets that come in electronic
packages?
I keep one or two in all of my Plano boxes and haven't had too much rust
as a result. said Huck

.....and a 4/0 Mustad EWG UltraPoint is what I use on bigger tubes. They
don't open up like the gammys do.

[Chris Rennert]

Model # in D46Z, I don't use Horney toads at all , but I am guessing a 3/0
should work great, and as for the flipping tube I am thinking 4/0 or even
5/0 for the 4.5". I use the biggest hook I can get away with.

Hope this helps man!

Chris
"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> OK Chris, give me a size & model for the lures I mentioned...
>
> WW
> --
> http://www.warrenwolk.com/
> http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
> 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions
>
>
>
> "Chris Rennert" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Warren,
>>
>> As you know I am a huge Daiichi fan, I use Daiichis for every single type
> of
>> fishing I do. Put it this way, if I got a shot at the Classic tomorrow,
>> I
>> would only have Daiichi Wide Gap hooks tied on my flipping / pitching
> rods.
>>
>> What makes them great to me, first they are amazingly sharp, and strong.
> I
>> have never EVER bent a point on one of those hooks. The points are
>> perfectly round and not a cutting edge, so the hook penetrates and no
>> cuts
> a
>> hole in the fishes mouth. I have pulled 10lb steelhead up stream with a
> #4
>> DAiichi 4660 jig hook and didn't even bend it a bit. They are chemically
>> sharpened which also makes them very quick at penetrating (no traces of
>> excess metal).
>>
>> I hope this helps, like I said, If I got a shot at the Bassmasters
>> Classic
>> tomorrow, it would be all Daiichi, I use them for flipping/Pitching, on
>> my
>> crankbaits (except for Triple grips on the back), on all my jigs from
> float
>> and fly to tubes and mushroom heads.
>>
>> Chris Rennert
>> "go-bassn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > My jury's still out on these two, I appreciate your detailed opinions.
>> > I'm
>> > still looking for the optimum hooks to use with these baits:
>> >
>> > 1) 4-4.5" Flippin' Tube
>> >
>> > 2) Horny Toad
>> >
>> > Please only reply if you've got a REAL WINNER, and please tell me what
>> > makes
>> > them so good. I need something that holds up well, and won't turn to
> rust
>> > just because it's exposed to humid air for a few minutes.
>> >
>> > Last week on the Hudson I lost a 4#+ because the barb on my hook had
>> > turned
>> > to dust.
>> >
>> > I wasn't happy.
>> >
>> > Warren
>> > --
>> > http://www.warrenwolk.com/
>> > http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
>> > 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

[Scott Seidman]

"go-bassn" > wrote in
:

> Scott I've got a box of Gamakatsu hooks that I know has gotten wet
> inside & out. I've never seen rust in there, that's all I can tell
> you.
>
> Warren
> --
> http://www.warrenwolk.com/
> http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
> 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions
>
>
>

It's all in storage-- many fly boxes don't air out well, and the holes in
the foam where you stick the flies tend to hold water. If I had taken the
hook points out of the foam, left the box open, and let everything dry, I
wouldn't have had a problem. I suspect the same of Gamakatsu, Eagle Claw,
Tiemco, etc, so long as the hook isn't stainless.

Dessicants, like the little silica packs, are an OK idea, but as many don't
replace them when they should, they can give a false sense of security. A
light coat of WD40 should work, but it sounds like a pain in the ass, and
the scent might put off fish-- though there seems to be an old wives tale
around here that spraying your baits w/ WD40 helps when walleye fishing!

Scott

[Bob La Londe]

Warren, I haven't had much luck myself firguing out the best hook for thick
baits, but I have been going pretty much with extra wide gap hooks.

On the Kinami Palm Tree I had a real problem until I changed the way I
rigged it. Instead of text rigging and then tucking the point I rigged it
so the curve of the hook was completely behind the bait, then tucked just
the point into the bait. It helped some, but I basically had to rerig the
bait after each fish because of the small tear where I tuck the point into
the bait. By rerigging and rotating the bait I could use it for as many as
8 or nine baits before having to replace it.

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"go-bassn" > wrote in message
...
> My jury's still out on these two, I appreciate your detailed opinions.
I'm
> still looking for the optimum hooks to use with these baits:
>
> 1) 4-4.5" Flippin' Tube
>
> 2) Horny Toad
>
> Please only reply if you've got a REAL WINNER, and please tell me what
makes
> them so good. I need something that holds up well, and won't turn to rust
> just because it's exposed to humid air for a few minutes.
>
> Last week on the Hudson I lost a 4#+ because the barb on my hook had
turned
> to dust.
>
> I wasn't happy.
>
> Warren
> --
> http://www.warrenwolk.com/
> http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
> 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions
>
>
>
>
>

[go-bassn]

Silica gel, thanks Huck!

I'm pretty sure the ones I had the rust problems with were Mustads...

Warren

"Huck Palmatier" > wrote in message
news:DDu6d.1661$TY2.673@lakeread04...
> ....you know those little silica gel packets that come in electronic
> packages?
> I keep one or two in all of my Plano boxes and haven't had too much rust
> as a result. said Huck
>
> ....and a 4/0 Mustad EWG UltraPoint is what I use on bigger tubes. They
> don't open up like the gammys do.
>
>

[go-bassn]

Silica gel, thanks Huck!

I'm pretty sure the ones I had the rust problems with were Mustads...

Warren

"Huck Palmatier" > wrote in message
news:DDu6d.1661$TY2.673@lakeread04...
> ....you know those little silica gel packets that come in electronic
> packages?
> I keep one or two in all of my Plano boxes and haven't had too much rust
> as a result. said Huck
>
> ....and a 4/0 Mustad EWG UltraPoint is what I use on bigger tubes. They
> don't open up like the gammys do.
>
>

[go-bassn]

I've heard the same of bass fishing with wd40 Scott, lol.

Warren

"Scott Seidman" > wrote in message
. 1.4...
> "go-bassn" > wrote in
> :
>
> > Scott I've got a box of Gamakatsu hooks that I know has gotten wet
> > inside & out. I've never seen rust in there, that's all I can tell
> > you.
> >
> > Warren
> > --
> > http://www.warrenwolk.com/
> > http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
> > 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions
> >
> >
> >
>
> It's all in storage-- many fly boxes don't air out well, and the holes in
> the foam where you stick the flies tend to hold water. If I had taken the
> hook points out of the foam, left the box open, and let everything dry, I
> wouldn't have had a problem. I suspect the same of Gamakatsu, Eagle Claw,
> Tiemco, etc, so long as the hook isn't stainless.
>
> Dessicants, like the little silica packs, are an OK idea, but as many
don't
> replace them when they should, they can give a false sense of security. A
> light coat of WD40 should work, but it sounds like a pain in the ass, and
> the scent might put off fish-- though there seems to be an old wives tale
> around here that spraying your baits w/ WD40 helps when walleye fishing!
>
> Scott

[go-bassn]

I've heard the same of bass fishing with wd40 Scott, lol.

Warren

"Scott Seidman" > wrote in message
. 1.4...
> "go-bassn" > wrote in
> :
>
> > Scott I've got a box of Gamakatsu hooks that I know has gotten wet
> > inside & out. I've never seen rust in there, that's all I can tell
> > you.
> >
> > Warren
> > --
> > http://www.warrenwolk.com/
> > http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
> > 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions
> >
> >
> >
>
> It's all in storage-- many fly boxes don't air out well, and the holes in
> the foam where you stick the flies tend to hold water. If I had taken the
> hook points out of the foam, left the box open, and let everything dry, I
> wouldn't have had a problem. I suspect the same of Gamakatsu, Eagle Claw,
> Tiemco, etc, so long as the hook isn't stainless.
>
> Dessicants, like the little silica packs, are an OK idea, but as many
don't
> replace them when they should, they can give a false sense of security. A
> light coat of WD40 should work, but it sounds like a pain in the ass, and
> the scent might put off fish-- though there seems to be an old wives tale
> around here that spraying your baits w/ WD40 helps when walleye fishing!
>
> Scott