Fun tying flies (TR, as it were)

[riverman]

Not a question, but just an brief introspective post.

I've passed through some sort of psychological barrier in fly tying, and
suddenly its gone from something merely interesting to something I am
really, really enjoying! As I stated here before, I got this new book, and
after a first glance I thought I might have enough diverse materials so that
I could tie up a few patterns. But now, each night, I really look forward to
trying out all sorts of patterns, and am loving every minute of it.

I've been whipping out very nice replicas in multiple sizes of the standards
(Wolly buggers, GRHE, PTs) as well as Humpies of various colors, Skip
Nymphs, soft hackles, Teeny Nymphs, Adamses, Coachmen, Griffiths Gnats,
RedTails, Baetis nymphs, flymphs and more.

I dunno, its like somthing just clicked, and I just discovered what a great
pasttime tying really is, and wanted to share! Let's have a swap soon!

--riverman
(gotta get some more hooks!)

[Mike Connor]

"riverman" > wrote in message
...
<SNIP>
> I dunno, its like somthing just clicked, and I just discovered what a
great
> pasttime tying really is, and wanted to share! Let's have a swap soon!
>
> --riverman
> (gotta get some more hooks!)
>
>

Why ruin a good run? :)

TL
MC

[Mike Connor]

"riverman" > wrote in message
...
<SNIP>
> I dunno, its like somthing just clicked, and I just discovered what a
great
> pasttime tying really is, and wanted to share! Let's have a swap soon!
>
> --riverman
> (gotta get some more hooks!)
>
>

Why ruin a good run? :)

TL
MC

[Big Dale]

riverman wrote:snip>I've passed through some sort of psychological barrier in
fly tying, and
>suddenly its gone from something merely interesting to something I am
>really, really enjoying

Just wait till he gets hooked on tying those pretty streamers,right Peter
Charles. I am looking forward to the pictures of some of those made with those
strange materials to which we do not have access..

Big Dale

Big Dale

[Big Dale]

riverman wrote:snip>I've passed through some sort of psychological barrier in
fly tying, and
>suddenly its gone from something merely interesting to something I am
>really, really enjoying

Just wait till he gets hooked on tying those pretty streamers,right Peter
Charles. I am looking forward to the pictures of some of those made with those
strange materials to which we do not have access..

Big Dale

Big Dale

[riverman]

"Big Dale" > wrote in message
...
> riverman wrote:snip>I've passed through some sort of psychological barrier
> in
> fly tying, and
>>suddenly its gone from something merely interesting to something I am
>>really, really enjoying
>
> Just wait till he gets hooked on tying those pretty streamers,right Peter
> Charles. I am looking forward to the pictures of some of those made with
> those
> strange materials to which we do not have access..


Yeah, me too! I've already been hoarding lots of feathers for that. African
Grey tail feathers (actually, available in many fly shops, but I find them
on the ground), some wonderful fluorescent blue feathers from a tiny local
bird, some iridescent white wing feathers from a local blackbird thing, and
some hair from all sorts of critters (wildebeests, kudu, bushbuck, wild
boar, zebra, giraffe, elephant tail, etc)

--riverman

[riverman]

"Big Dale" > wrote in message
...
> riverman wrote:snip>I've passed through some sort of psychological barrier
> in
> fly tying, and
>>suddenly its gone from something merely interesting to something I am
>>really, really enjoying
>
> Just wait till he gets hooked on tying those pretty streamers,right Peter
> Charles. I am looking forward to the pictures of some of those made with
> those
> strange materials to which we do not have access..


Yeah, me too! I've already been hoarding lots of feathers for that. African
Grey tail feathers (actually, available in many fly shops, but I find them
on the ground), some wonderful fluorescent blue feathers from a tiny local
bird, some iridescent white wing feathers from a local blackbird thing, and
some hair from all sorts of critters (wildebeests, kudu, bushbuck, wild
boar, zebra, giraffe, elephant tail, etc)

--riverman

[Mike Connor]

"riverman" > wrote in message
...
<SNIP>
> Yeah, me too! I've already been hoarding lots of feathers for that.
African
> Grey tail feathers (actually, available in many fly shops, but I find them
> on the ground), some wonderful fluorescent blue feathers from a tiny local
> bird, some iridescent white wing feathers from a local blackbird thing,
and
> some hair from all sorts of critters (wildebeests, kudu, bushbuck, wild
> boar, zebra, giraffe, elephant tail, etc)
>
> --riverman
>

You should try to get some antelope. It is one of the best hairs for tying.
Some of it is extremely buoyant, and perfetc for spinning etc. Other stuff
works well for winging etc.

TL
MC

[Mike Connor]

"riverman" > wrote in message
...
<SNIP>
> Yeah, me too! I've already been hoarding lots of feathers for that.
African
> Grey tail feathers (actually, available in many fly shops, but I find them
> on the ground), some wonderful fluorescent blue feathers from a tiny local
> bird, some iridescent white wing feathers from a local blackbird thing,
and
> some hair from all sorts of critters (wildebeests, kudu, bushbuck, wild
> boar, zebra, giraffe, elephant tail, etc)
>
> --riverman
>

You should try to get some antelope. It is one of the best hairs for tying.
Some of it is extremely buoyant, and perfetc for spinning etc. Other stuff
works well for winging etc.

TL
MC

[riverman]

""Hooked"" > wrote in message
...
> "riverman" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Yeah, me too! I've already been hoarding lots of feathers for that.
>> African Grey tail feathers (actually, available in many fly shops, but I
>> find them on the ground), some wonderful fluorescent blue feathers from a
>> tiny local bird, some iridescent white wing feathers from a local
>> blackbird thing, and some hair from all sorts of critters (wildebeests,
>> kudu, bushbuck, wild boar, zebra, giraffe, elephant tail, etc)
>>
>> --riverman
>
>
> If you leave the Congo, how many of those materials you mentioned would
> suddenly become illegal exotics if you enter another country??????
>

That certainly depends on what country I go into, but for many countries, I
believe that I can bring in almost anything as long as I
a) declare it at the border
b) prove that I obtained it legally in whatever country I got it
c) leave that country with it when I go.

For example, I have heard that you <can> have certain banned items, such as
Ivory and eagle feathers, in the US if you prove you obtained them legally
in other countries, and do not sell them.

That being said, I just won't declare them. I have so many trinkets that are
illegal in so many different places that my tying kit is a drop in the
bucket. Hell, my portable walkie-talkie is illegal HERE.

--riverman

[riverman]

""Hooked"" > wrote in message
...
> "riverman" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Yeah, me too! I've already been hoarding lots of feathers for that.
>> African Grey tail feathers (actually, available in many fly shops, but I
>> find them on the ground), some wonderful fluorescent blue feathers from a
>> tiny local bird, some iridescent white wing feathers from a local
>> blackbird thing, and some hair from all sorts of critters (wildebeests,
>> kudu, bushbuck, wild boar, zebra, giraffe, elephant tail, etc)
>>
>> --riverman
>
>
> If you leave the Congo, how many of those materials you mentioned would
> suddenly become illegal exotics if you enter another country??????
>

That certainly depends on what country I go into, but for many countries, I
believe that I can bring in almost anything as long as I
a) declare it at the border
b) prove that I obtained it legally in whatever country I got it
c) leave that country with it when I go.

For example, I have heard that you <can> have certain banned items, such as
Ivory and eagle feathers, in the US if you prove you obtained them legally
in other countries, and do not sell them.

That being said, I just won't declare them. I have so many trinkets that are
illegal in so many different places that my tying kit is a drop in the
bucket. Hell, my portable walkie-talkie is illegal HERE.

--riverman

[riverman]

"riverman" > wrote in message
...
>
> ""Hooked"" > wrote in message

>>
>> If you leave the Congo, how many of those materials you mentioned would
>> suddenly become illegal exotics if you enter another country??????
>>
>
> That certainly depends on what country I go into, but for many countries,
> I believe that I can bring in almost anything as long as I
> a) declare it at the border
> b) prove that I obtained it legally in whatever country I got it
> c) leave that country with it when I go.
>
> For example, I have heard that you <can> have certain banned items, such
> as Ivory and eagle feathers, in the US if you prove you obtained them
> legally in other countries, and do not sell them.

After some research, I find that I might be very, very, very wrong in what I
wrote above. Anyone got any input?

--riverman
(who seems to have a tying kit full of suprises...)

[riverman]

"riverman" > wrote in message
...
>
> ""Hooked"" > wrote in message

>>
>> If you leave the Congo, how many of those materials you mentioned would
>> suddenly become illegal exotics if you enter another country??????
>>
>
> That certainly depends on what country I go into, but for many countries,
> I believe that I can bring in almost anything as long as I
> a) declare it at the border
> b) prove that I obtained it legally in whatever country I got it
> c) leave that country with it when I go.
>
> For example, I have heard that you <can> have certain banned items, such
> as Ivory and eagle feathers, in the US if you prove you obtained them
> legally in other countries, and do not sell them.

After some research, I find that I might be very, very, very wrong in what I
wrote above. Anyone got any input?

--riverman
(who seems to have a tying kit full of suprises...)

[hermit]

I am curious - what's the title of the *new book*?



On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:32:00 +0100, "riverman" >
wrote:

>Not a question, but just an brief introspective post.
>
>I've passed through some sort of psychological barrier in fly tying, and
>suddenly its gone from something merely interesting to something I am
>really, really enjoying! As I stated here before, I got this new book, and
>after a first glance I thought I might have enough diverse materials so that
>I could tie up a few patterns. But now, each night, I really look forward to
>trying out all sorts of patterns, and am loving every minute of it.
>
>I've been whipping out very nice replicas in multiple sizes of the standards
>(Wolly buggers, GRHE, PTs) as well as Humpies of various colors, Skip
>Nymphs, soft hackles, Teeny Nymphs, Adamses, Coachmen, Griffiths Gnats,
>RedTails, Baetis nymphs, flymphs and more.
>
>I dunno, its like somthing just clicked, and I just discovered what a great
>pasttime tying really is, and wanted to share! Let's have a swap soon!
>
>--riverman
>(gotta get some more hooks!)
>

[hermit]

I am curious - what's the title of the *new book*?



On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:32:00 +0100, "riverman" >
wrote:

>Not a question, but just an brief introspective post.
>
>I've passed through some sort of psychological barrier in fly tying, and
>suddenly its gone from something merely interesting to something I am
>really, really enjoying! As I stated here before, I got this new book, and
>after a first glance I thought I might have enough diverse materials so that
>I could tie up a few patterns. But now, each night, I really look forward to
>trying out all sorts of patterns, and am loving every minute of it.
>
>I've been whipping out very nice replicas in multiple sizes of the standards
>(Wolly buggers, GRHE, PTs) as well as Humpies of various colors, Skip
>Nymphs, soft hackles, Teeny Nymphs, Adamses, Coachmen, Griffiths Gnats,
>RedTails, Baetis nymphs, flymphs and more.
>
>I dunno, its like somthing just clicked, and I just discovered what a great
>pasttime tying really is, and wanted to share! Let's have a swap soon!
>
>--riverman
>(gotta get some more hooks!)
>

[riverman]

> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:32:00 +0100, "riverman" >
> wrote:
>
"hermit" > wrote in message
...
>
>>Not a question, but just an brief introspective post.
>>
>>I've passed through some sort of psychological barrier in fly tying, and
>>suddenly its gone from something merely interesting to something I am
>>really, really enjoying! As I stated here before, I got this new book, and
>>after a first glance I thought I might have enough diverse materials so
>>that
>>I could tie up a few patterns. But now, each night, I really look forward
>>to
>>trying out all sorts of patterns, and am loving every minute of it.
>>
>>I've been whipping out very nice replicas in multiple sizes of the
>>standards
>>(Wolly buggers, GRHE, PTs) as well as Humpies of various colors, Skip
>>Nymphs, soft hackles, Teeny Nymphs, Adamses, Coachmen, Griffiths Gnats,
>>RedTails, Baetis nymphs, flymphs and more.
>>
>>I dunno, its like somthing just clicked, and I just discovered what a
>>great
>>pasttime tying really is, and wanted to share! Let's have a swap soon!
>>
>>--riverman
>>(gotta get some more hooks!)
>>
>

> I am curious - what's the title of the *new book*?

"The Fly Tying Bible" by Peter Gathercole. I posted about it on roff.

--riverman

[hermit]

I have the book, as well as others, and I think it's the best of the
bunch.

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:15:54 +0100, "riverman" >
wrote:

>
>> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:32:00 +0100, "riverman" >
>> wrote:
>>
>"hermit" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>Not a question, but just an brief introspective post.
>>>
>>>I've passed through some sort of psychological barrier in fly tying, and
>>>suddenly its gone from something merely interesting to something I am
>>>really, really enjoying! As I stated here before, I got this new book, and
>>>after a first glance I thought I might have enough diverse materials so
>>>that
>>>I could tie up a few patterns. But now, each night, I really look forward
>>>to
>>>trying out all sorts of patterns, and am loving every minute of it.
>>>
>>>I've been whipping out very nice replicas in multiple sizes of the
>>>standards
>>>(Wolly buggers, GRHE, PTs) as well as Humpies of various colors, Skip
>>>Nymphs, soft hackles, Teeny Nymphs, Adamses, Coachmen, Griffiths Gnats,
>>>RedTails, Baetis nymphs, flymphs and more.
>>>
>>>I dunno, its like somthing just clicked, and I just discovered what a
>>>great
>>>pasttime tying really is, and wanted to share! Let's have a swap soon!
>>>
>>>--riverman
>>>(gotta get some more hooks!)
>>>
>>
>
>> I am curious - what's the title of the *new book*?
>
>"The Fly Tying Bible" by Peter Gathercole. I posted about it on roff.
>
>--riverman
>

[hermit]

I have the book, as well as others, and I think it's the best of the
bunch.

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:15:54 +0100, "riverman" >
wrote:

>
>> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:32:00 +0100, "riverman" >
>> wrote:
>>
>"hermit" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>Not a question, but just an brief introspective post.
>>>
>>>I've passed through some sort of psychological barrier in fly tying, and
>>>suddenly its gone from something merely interesting to something I am
>>>really, really enjoying! As I stated here before, I got this new book, and
>>>after a first glance I thought I might have enough diverse materials so
>>>that
>>>I could tie up a few patterns. But now, each night, I really look forward
>>>to
>>>trying out all sorts of patterns, and am loving every minute of it.
>>>
>>>I've been whipping out very nice replicas in multiple sizes of the
>>>standards
>>>(Wolly buggers, GRHE, PTs) as well as Humpies of various colors, Skip
>>>Nymphs, soft hackles, Teeny Nymphs, Adamses, Coachmen, Griffiths Gnats,
>>>RedTails, Baetis nymphs, flymphs and more.
>>>
>>>I dunno, its like somthing just clicked, and I just discovered what a
>>>great
>>>pasttime tying really is, and wanted to share! Let's have a swap soon!
>>>
>>>--riverman
>>>(gotta get some more hooks!)
>>>
>>
>
>> I am curious - what's the title of the *new book*?
>
>"The Fly Tying Bible" by Peter Gathercole. I posted about it on roff.
>
>--riverman
>

[Larry Medina]

>>For example, I have heard that you <can> have certain banned items, such
>>as Ivory and eagle feathers, in the US if you prove you obtained them
>>legally in other countries, and do not sell them.
>
>
> After some research, I find that I might be very, very, very wrong in what I
> wrote above. Anyone got any input?

Yes, you are right... you WERE wrong. =)

Many items protected under the CITES Treaty are legal to obtain and own
in one country, but not in others, and the US is one of those others for
the fur and feathers of most protected and endangered animals,
irrespective of how you have come to be in possession of it. That said,
there *ARE* exceptions as well...

The recommendation is "the less said, the better" and rather than
clearly identifying many of the materials, leave them unlabeled and
plead ignorance. In an election year, there's more than enough
ignorance to go around, so you might get away with it.

Larry

[John Hightower]

"Larry Medina" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> >>For example, I have heard that you <can> have certain banned items, such
> >>as Ivory and eagle feathers, in the US if you prove you obtained them
> >>legally in other countries, and do not sell them.
> >
> >
> > After some research, I find that I might be very, very, very wrong in
what I
> > wrote above. Anyone got any input?
>
> Yes, you are right... you WERE wrong. =)
>
> Many items protected under the CITES Treaty are legal to obtain and own
> in one country, but not in others, and the US is one of those others for
> the fur and feathers of most protected and endangered animals,
> irrespective of how you have come to be in possession of it. That said,
> there *ARE* exceptions as well...
>
> The recommendation is "the less said, the better" and rather than
> clearly identifying many of the materials, leave them unlabeled and
> plead ignorance. In an election year, there's more than enough
> ignorance to go around, so you might get away with it.
>
> Larry

I was going to say, last I heard, you absolutely can not bring a leopard
hide, for example, into the US. Makes no difeerence if it was legally
obtained or not.

jh