rattling Cone heads

[riverman]

How you you attach them firmly? It doesn't seem right to tie the thread in
front and then over the top of them, as it could break easily. OTOH, if I'm
tying something like a conehead WB (or my next effort: a conehead Muddler),
somehow I have to get the body material (WB: dubbing, Muddler: spun elkhair)
up against and <inside> the concave base of the cone. Don't know how to do
that.

:-(

--riverman

[Mike Connor]

"riverman" > wrote in message
...
> How you you attach them firmly? It doesn't seem right to tie the thread in
> front and then over the top of them, as it could break easily. OTOH, if
I'm
> tying something like a conehead WB (or my next effort: a conehead
Muddler),
> somehow I have to get the body material (WB: dubbing, Muddler: spun
elkhair)
> up against and <inside> the concave base of the cone. Don't know how to do
> that.
>
> :-(
>
> --riverman
>
>

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[asadi....]

I tie a lot of wooly buggers, some bead mostly cone - head, for smallmouth.
....and have tried one or two ideas on 'achieving' a rattling head.

Anyhow, I just tie the bugger with cone pushed towards the eye as far as
it can go, tie off and cement behind the cone as close as I can get.

Then, beginning at the eye, I wrap thread from the eye to the cone, building
up as I go to make a taper, whip finish and cement. I have experimented with
different colors of thread for the nose. I have found red to be the least
productive color to make a 'nose' out of.

john
"riverman" > wrote in message
...
> How you you attach them firmly? It doesn't seem right to tie the thread in
> front and then over the top of them, as it could break easily. OTOH, if
I'm
> tying something like a conehead WB (or my next effort: a conehead
Muddler),
> somehow I have to get the body material (WB: dubbing, Muddler: spun
elkhair)
> up against and <inside> the concave base of the cone. Don't know how to do
> that.
>
> :-(
>
> --riverman
>
>

[asadi....]

I tie a lot of wooly buggers, some bead mostly cone - head, for smallmouth.
....and have tried one or two ideas on 'achieving' a rattling head.

Anyhow, I just tie the bugger with cone pushed towards the eye as far as
it can go, tie off and cement behind the cone as close as I can get.

Then, beginning at the eye, I wrap thread from the eye to the cone, building
up as I go to make a taper, whip finish and cement. I have experimented with
different colors of thread for the nose. I have found red to be the least
productive color to make a 'nose' out of.

john
"riverman" > wrote in message
...
> How you you attach them firmly? It doesn't seem right to tie the thread in
> front and then over the top of them, as it could break easily. OTOH, if
I'm
> tying something like a conehead WB (or my next effort: a conehead
Muddler),
> somehow I have to get the body material (WB: dubbing, Muddler: spun
elkhair)
> up against and <inside> the concave base of the cone. Don't know how to do
> that.
>
> :-(
>
> --riverman
>
>

[Ralph Heidecke]

> "riverman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > How you you attach them firmly?

I've found 2 ways to attach cone heads securely:

1) pot them in with glue - 5 minute epoxy works best but hot glue work fine.
Wrap some thread on the shank before
applying the head will give the glue something to 'key' to.

2) Fit a drilled metal bead onto the hook immediately after putting on the
cone head, Size the bead so it mostly fits
into the concave part of the cone. Put it on so the side with the larger
diamter head goes on first then build a bump of
thread directly behind the bead and apply head cement or CA glue to the
thread.

[Ralph Heidecke]

> "riverman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > How you you attach them firmly?

I've found 2 ways to attach cone heads securely:

1) pot them in with glue - 5 minute epoxy works best but hot glue work fine.
Wrap some thread on the shank before
applying the head will give the glue something to 'key' to.

2) Fit a drilled metal bead onto the hook immediately after putting on the
cone head, Size the bead so it mostly fits
into the concave part of the cone. Put it on so the side with the larger
diamter head goes on first then build a bump of
thread directly behind the bead and apply head cement or CA glue to the
thread.

[Paradise]

" Ralph Heidecke" > wrote in message
news:ikurd.390788$Pl.304639@pd7tw1no...
>
> I've found 2 ways to attach cone heads securely:
>
> 1) pot them in with glue - 5 minute epoxy works best but hot glue work
> fine.
> Wrap some thread on the shank before
> applying the head will give the glue something to 'key' to.
>
> 2) Fit a drilled metal bead onto the hook immediately after putting on the
> cone head, Size the bead so it mostly fits
> into the concave part of the cone. Put it on so the side with the larger
> diamter head goes on first then build a bump of
> thread directly behind the bead and apply head cement or CA glue to the
> thread.


(This will work for cone heads or bead heads.)

Another method would be to make a few wraps of lead (or substitute) around
the shank of the hook and push it up into the abyss of the cone head, making
a few wraps to secure the lead, and then tie the fly as normal. The wraps of
lead will keep the conehead in it's proper place and add a little more
weight to the fly.

Another idea would be to replace that red thread with a red bead. That will
also keep that conehaed in place. Also, any light that passes through the
bead may act as an attractor.

Another idea would be to allow that conehaed to slide. Put the conehead on
the hook, then place another bead behind that, allowing for a small gap
between the two beads, tie the fly following the tips mentioned above. The
two beads banging together will in effect give you a "rattling" fly.