Hackle gauge

[Bill C]

Does anyone know where I can find a printable copy of a hackle gauge.

Thanks
Bill

[Thomas Schreiber]

"Bill C" > wrote in message
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> Does anyone know where I can find a printable copy of a hackle gauge.
>
> Thanks
> Bill


Why you need one of those? When you bend your hackle around the hook, the
fibres should have the same length as the hookgap. No rules without
exceptions, but thats a good rule of thumb.


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[Thomas Littleton]

"Thomas Schreiber" > wrote in message
...
> > Bill
>
>
> Why you need one of those? When you bend your hackle around the hook, the
> fibres should have the same length as the hookgap. No rules without
> exceptions, but thats a good rule of thumb.
>
> Tight lines
> Thomas Schreiber - DK

And there are those who would state that(at least for dry flies) that the
hackle should be 1 1/2 times the length of the hookgap. Some Catskill tyers
actually use closer to a 2X size. Hence, gauges are, at best, rough
estimators of size needed, to be varied with the style and pattern of fly
tied.
Tom

[Thomas Schreiber]

"Thomas Littleton" > wrote in message
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>
> "Thomas Schreiber" > wrote in message
> ...
>> > Bill
>>
>>
>> Why you need one of those? When you bend your hackle around the hook, the
>> fibres should have the same length as the hookgap. No rules without
>> exceptions, but thats a good rule of thumb.
>>
>> Tight lines
>> Thomas Schreiber - DK
>
> And there are those who would state that(at least for dry flies) that the
> hackle should be 1 1/2 times the length of the hookgap. Some Catskill
> tyers
> actually use closer to a 2X size. Hence, gauges are, at best, rough
> estimators of size needed, to be varied with the style and pattern of fly
> tied.
> Tom
>
>

You dont know what this sentence means : "No rules without exceptions" ?!?!?


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[Larry L]

"Bill C" > wrote

I have a hackle gauge I bought mounted on my vise ..
but
I almost never use it. I use a hook the size I'm tying with, mount it in
the vise and bend the hackle around the hook and use the gap as a gauge ....
as per the other posts.

I set down to do 10 or 20 flies at a time ( I can't wrap my mind around
workng in 'dozens" since hooks come in hundreds and my fly boxes hold rows
of 10 in most sizes ) and pick off enough feathers for that many before
starting the first one. This is just like laying out all the materials and
greatly speeds production.

Oh, how many gaps is the 'right' size? Varies from tie to tie, for me.

[Larry L]

"Bill C" > wrote

I have a hackle gauge I bought mounted on my vise ..
but
I almost never use it. I use a hook the size I'm tying with, mount it in
the vise and bend the hackle around the hook and use the gap as a gauge ....
as per the other posts.

I set down to do 10 or 20 flies at a time ( I can't wrap my mind around
workng in 'dozens" since hooks come in hundreds and my fly boxes hold rows
of 10 in most sizes ) and pick off enough feathers for that many before
starting the first one. This is just like laying out all the materials and
greatly speeds production.

Oh, how many gaps is the 'right' size? Varies from tie to tie, for me.

[bones]

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:52:42 GMT, "Bill C" >
wrote:

>Does anyone know where I can find a printable copy of a hackle gauge.
>
> Thanks
> Bill
>



For what brand hook?........:-).. also, the aspect ratio of reprinted
matter may vary.

[John]

Stan made me giggle when he said:

FWIW, I size my hackles on a gauge. When I'm pulling them off the skin (I
only do as many as I'm using), if I get any that are bigger or smaller than
I want, I put them in a labelled baggie that I keep in the bag with the neck
for future use. When I want to tie some size 14s and I find 4 already sized
hackles, I feel like somebody gave me a present...

<g>
John
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[John]

Stan made me giggle when he said:

FWIW, I size my hackles on a gauge. When I'm pulling them off the skin (I
only do as many as I'm using), if I get any that are bigger or smaller than
I want, I put them in a labelled baggie that I keep in the bag with the neck
for future use. When I want to tie some size 14s and I find 4 already sized
hackles, I feel like somebody gave me a present...

<g>
John
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[John]

Stan made me giggle when he said:

FWIW, I size my hackles on a gauge. When I'm pulling them off the skin (I
only do as many as I'm using), if I get any that are bigger or smaller than
I want, I put them in a labelled baggie that I keep in the bag with the neck
for future use. When I want to tie some size 14s and I find 4 already sized
hackles, I feel like somebody gave me a present...

<g>
John
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[Thomas Schreiber]

"Bill C" > wrote in message
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> Does anyone know where I can find a printable copy of a hackle gauge.
>
> Thanks
> Bill
>
>

Maybe you can use this for something
http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=276485


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Thomas Schreiber - DK
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Born to fish, forced to work :o/

http://schreiber.se

[Thomas Schreiber]

"Bill C" > wrote in message
. net...
> Does anyone know where I can find a printable copy of a hackle gauge.
>
> Thanks
> Bill
>
>

Maybe you can use this for something
http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=276485


--

Tight lines
Thomas Schreiber - DK
-
Born to fish, forced to work :o/

http://schreiber.se

[Thomas Schreiber]

"Bill C" > wrote in message
. net...
> Does anyone know where I can find a printable copy of a hackle gauge.
>
> Thanks
> Bill
>
>

Maybe you can use this for something
http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=276485


--

Tight lines
Thomas Schreiber - DK
-
Born to fish, forced to work :o/

http://schreiber.se

[Thomas Littleton]

"Stan Gula" > wrote in message
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This
> balances the fly nicely on a table top.
unless fishing on the harder winter waters of New England, that is not how
the fly floats, however. If you have doubts, get some water(unmixed with
scotch), lob
some dry flies in and watch the way they float.


The 'standard' hooks have a gape
> about half the shank length, so this works out nicely. I don't change the
> proportions for hooks with bigger or smaller gapes, do you?
I change the proportions based on what I want the fly to do after it lands,
or as it is landing. Within a given style, I
keep the proportions the same.
>
> FWIW, I size my hackles on a gauge. When I'm pulling them off the skin (I
> only do as many as I'm using), if I get any that are bigger or smaller
than
> I want, I put them in a labelled baggie that I keep in the bag with the
neck
> for future use. When I want to tie some size 14s and I find 4 already
sized
> hackles, I feel like somebody gave me a present...
Same here, but I keep taking from the "presents" and when I really need a
dozen size 16 dun hackles, the freaking bag is invariably short.

Tom

[Thomas Littleton]

"Stan Gula" > wrote in message
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This
> balances the fly nicely on a table top.
unless fishing on the harder winter waters of New England, that is not how
the fly floats, however. If you have doubts, get some water(unmixed with
scotch), lob
some dry flies in and watch the way they float.


The 'standard' hooks have a gape
> about half the shank length, so this works out nicely. I don't change the
> proportions for hooks with bigger or smaller gapes, do you?
I change the proportions based on what I want the fly to do after it lands,
or as it is landing. Within a given style, I
keep the proportions the same.
>
> FWIW, I size my hackles on a gauge. When I'm pulling them off the skin (I
> only do as many as I'm using), if I get any that are bigger or smaller
than
> I want, I put them in a labelled baggie that I keep in the bag with the
neck
> for future use. When I want to tie some size 14s and I find 4 already
sized
> hackles, I feel like somebody gave me a present...
Same here, but I keep taking from the "presents" and when I really need a
dozen size 16 dun hackles, the freaking bag is invariably short.

Tom

[Thomas Littleton]

"Stan Gula" > wrote in message
news:3STld.2535$tS4.2419@trndny09...
This
> balances the fly nicely on a table top.
unless fishing on the harder winter waters of New England, that is not how
the fly floats, however. If you have doubts, get some water(unmixed with
scotch), lob
some dry flies in and watch the way they float.


The 'standard' hooks have a gape
> about half the shank length, so this works out nicely. I don't change the
> proportions for hooks with bigger or smaller gapes, do you?
I change the proportions based on what I want the fly to do after it lands,
or as it is landing. Within a given style, I
keep the proportions the same.
>
> FWIW, I size my hackles on a gauge. When I'm pulling them off the skin (I
> only do as many as I'm using), if I get any that are bigger or smaller
than
> I want, I put them in a labelled baggie that I keep in the bag with the
neck
> for future use. When I want to tie some size 14s and I find 4 already
sized
> hackles, I feel like somebody gave me a present...
Same here, but I keep taking from the "presents" and when I really need a
dozen size 16 dun hackles, the freaking bag is invariably short.

Tom

[Stan Gula]

Thomas Littleton wrote:
> "Stan Gula" > wrote in message
> news:3STld.2535$tS4.2419@trndny09...
>> This balances the fly nicely on a table top.

> unless fishing on the harder winter waters of New England, that is
> not how the fly floats, however. If you have doubts, get some
> water(unmixed with scotch), lob
> some dry flies in and watch the way they float.

Exactly. I was taught by a couple of ex-Orvis tyers. They were very
serious about the standard Catskill dimensions. For a generic Catskill
hackled dry, the table test works well (it also sells flies I would think).
Old Jim and Big Jim (as opposed to Little Jim) would take your flies and
toss them in the air. If they landed upright and balanced on the hackle
tips and the tip of the tail, with the point of the hook just touching the
table, then they would say you got it right.

I agree that this is only for *standard* patterns. The bug is the model,
not the table balancing act.

The three mayflies I use up here are all standard. The damned huge pile I
tie for Penns, well, lets say there a lot of deviant flies you have down
there.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

[Stan Gula]

Thomas Littleton wrote:
> "Stan Gula" > wrote in message
> news:3STld.2535$tS4.2419@trndny09...
>> This balances the fly nicely on a table top.

> unless fishing on the harder winter waters of New England, that is
> not how the fly floats, however. If you have doubts, get some
> water(unmixed with scotch), lob
> some dry flies in and watch the way they float.

Exactly. I was taught by a couple of ex-Orvis tyers. They were very
serious about the standard Catskill dimensions. For a generic Catskill
hackled dry, the table test works well (it also sells flies I would think).
Old Jim and Big Jim (as opposed to Little Jim) would take your flies and
toss them in the air. If they landed upright and balanced on the hackle
tips and the tip of the tail, with the point of the hook just touching the
table, then they would say you got it right.

I agree that this is only for *standard* patterns. The bug is the model,
not the table balancing act.

The three mayflies I use up here are all standard. The damned huge pile I
tie for Penns, well, lets say there a lot of deviant flies you have down
there.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

[Stan Gula]

Thomas Littleton wrote:
> "Stan Gula" > wrote in message
> news:3STld.2535$tS4.2419@trndny09...
>> This balances the fly nicely on a table top.

> unless fishing on the harder winter waters of New England, that is
> not how the fly floats, however. If you have doubts, get some
> water(unmixed with scotch), lob
> some dry flies in and watch the way they float.

Exactly. I was taught by a couple of ex-Orvis tyers. They were very
serious about the standard Catskill dimensions. For a generic Catskill
hackled dry, the table test works well (it also sells flies I would think).
Old Jim and Big Jim (as opposed to Little Jim) would take your flies and
toss them in the air. If they landed upright and balanced on the hackle
tips and the tip of the tail, with the point of the hook just touching the
table, then they would say you got it right.

I agree that this is only for *standard* patterns. The bug is the model,
not the table balancing act.

The three mayflies I use up here are all standard. The damned huge pile I
tie for Penns, well, lets say there a lot of deviant flies you have down
there.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

[vincent p. norris]

> Hackle tips must extend past the gape on just about every dry fly I've ever tied.

After fly filshing for about 75 years (no exaggeration!), George
Harvey started tying his dry flies with hackle a couple of sizes too
SMALL! E.g., using #18 hackle on a #14 fly. Said it works great!

vince

[vincent p. norris]

> Hackle tips must extend past the gape on just about every dry fly I've ever tied.

After fly filshing for about 75 years (no exaggeration!), George
Harvey started tying his dry flies with hackle a couple of sizes too
SMALL! E.g., using #18 hackle on a #14 fly. Said it works great!

vince

[vincent p. norris]

> Hackle tips must extend past the gape on just about every dry fly I've ever tied.

After fly filshing for about 75 years (no exaggeration!), George
Harvey started tying his dry flies with hackle a couple of sizes too
SMALL! E.g., using #18 hackle on a #14 fly. Said it works great!

vince

[Ernie]

I bought a nice flexible plastic one for a buck at Hook & Hackle.
Ernie

"Bill C" > wrote in message
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> Does anyone know where I can find a printable copy of a hackle gauge.
>
> Thanks
> Bill

[Ernie]

I bought a nice flexible plastic one for a buck at Hook & Hackle.
Ernie

"Bill C" > wrote in message
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> Does anyone know where I can find a printable copy of a hackle gauge.
>
> Thanks
> Bill

[Ernie]

I bought a nice flexible plastic one for a buck at Hook & Hackle.
Ernie

"Bill C" > wrote in message
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> Does anyone know where I can find a printable copy of a hackle gauge.
>
> Thanks
> Bill

[Jarmo Hurri]

Bill> Does anyone know where I can find a printable copy of a hackle
Bill> gauge.

Try the bottom of the page at

http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flytying/fotw2/

(That's the address of the page during this week - next week you can
find it behind the link "Previous flies".)

--
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address. Remove all garbage from header email address when replying,
or just use .

[Norman Greenwood]

Does the gauge measure the hackle feather from the pin you bend it
round, in which case it includes the thickness of the hackle stem? Or
does it measure from the centre of the pin you bend it round, in which
case the pin may vary in thickness from the hook and you may be better
bending it round a hook and saving a buck?
A Yorkshire Lad

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gauge.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bill
>
>
>
>

[Norman Greenwood]

Does the gauge measure the hackle feather from the pin you bend it
round, in which case it includes the thickness of the hackle stem? Or
does it measure from the centre of the pin you bend it round, in which
case the pin may vary in thickness from the hook and you may be better
bending it round a hook and saving a buck?
A Yorkshire Lad

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> Ernie
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> > Does anyone know where I can find a printable copy of a hackle
gauge.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bill
>
>
>
>

[Stan Gula]

Norman Greenwood wrote:
> Does the gauge measure the hackle feather from the pin you bend it
> round, in which case it includes the thickness of the hackle stem?

Yes, but that doesn't matter.

A gauge is just an estimating tool to help you pick feathers that are
'right' for your hook. And if it looks too small or too big on the final
product, use a bigger or smaller feather for the next one.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

[Stan Gula]

Norman Greenwood wrote:
> Does the gauge measure the hackle feather from the pin you bend it
> round, in which case it includes the thickness of the hackle stem?

Yes, but that doesn't matter.

A gauge is just an estimating tool to help you pick feathers that are
'right' for your hook. And if it looks too small or too big on the final
product, use a bigger or smaller feather for the next one.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

[vincent p. norris]

>A gauge is just an estimating tool to help you pick feathers that are
>'right' for your hook. And if it looks too small or too big on the final
>product, use a bigger or smaller feather for the next one.

I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago, but since it may be a highly
useful piece of information, I'll risk repeating it: For the past
year or so, Goerge Harey has been preaching the merits of dry flies
tied wth hackle *two* sizes too small.

I must confess I haven't tried that, but I suspect such flies work for
the much the same reasons comparaduns do.

vince

[Scott Seidman]

"Stan Gula" > wrote in news:txtrd.4250$zK1.941
@trndny05:

> Norman Greenwood wrote:
>> Does the gauge measure the hackle feather from the pin you bend it
>> round, in which case it includes the thickness of the hackle stem?
>
> Yes, but that doesn't matter.

There you go! If the OP is actually concerned about whether the stem is
included in the measurement, I recommend drinking some anejo until it no
longer comes up in conversation.

Scott

[Stan Gula]

Scott Seidman wrote:

>> Yes, but that doesn't matter.
>
> There you go! If the OP is actually concerned about whether the stem
> is included in the measurement, I recommend drinking some anejo until
> it no longer comes up in conversation.

I'll be sure to bring another holy hand grenade to Penns next year so we can
do the experiment.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

[Stan Gula]

Scott Seidman wrote:

>> Yes, but that doesn't matter.
>
> There you go! If the OP is actually concerned about whether the stem
> is included in the measurement, I recommend drinking some anejo until
> it no longer comes up in conversation.

I'll be sure to bring another holy hand grenade to Penns next year so we can
do the experiment.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

[Scott Seidman]

"Stan Gula" > wrote in
news:1GLrd.9401$%R1.8857@trndny03:

> Scott Seidman wrote:
>
>>> Yes, but that doesn't matter.
>>
>> There you go! If the OP is actually concerned about whether the stem
>> is included in the measurement, I recommend drinking some anejo until
>> it no longer comes up in conversation.
>
> I'll be sure to bring another holy hand grenade to Penns next year so
> we can do the experiment.

Funny you should mention the holy hand grenade. I was in a tequila bar in
San Diego, and ordered some Herradura Anejo (not bad at $6/shot!). A new
bottle came up from the depths, and the bartender had problems opening it,
and broke the cap. I thought that happened at Penns just because we were
about 8 sheets to the wind at that point, but it seems to be a design flaw

Scott

[Scott Seidman]

"Stan Gula" > wrote in
news:1GLrd.9401$%R1.8857@trndny03:

> Scott Seidman wrote:
>
>>> Yes, but that doesn't matter.
>>
>> There you go! If the OP is actually concerned about whether the stem
>> is included in the measurement, I recommend drinking some anejo until
>> it no longer comes up in conversation.
>
> I'll be sure to bring another holy hand grenade to Penns next year so
> we can do the experiment.

Funny you should mention the holy hand grenade. I was in a tequila bar in
San Diego, and ordered some Herradura Anejo (not bad at $6/shot!). A new
bottle came up from the depths, and the bartender had problems opening it,
and broke the cap. I thought that happened at Penns just because we were
about 8 sheets to the wind at that point, but it seems to be a design flaw

Scott

[Larry Medina]

>>>Does the gauge measure the hackle feather from the pin you bend it
>>>round, in which case it includes the thickness of the hackle stem?
>>
>>Yes, but that doesn't matter.
>>
> There you go! If the OP is actually concerned about whether the stem is
> included in the measurement, I recommend drinking some anejo until it no
> longer comes up in conversation.

I make this same recommendation in virtually *ANY* circumstance =)


As for using a gauge, I find it most useful for selecting and sizing
saddle hackles prior to attending a tying show/venue or going on a road
trip. I strip and size a few dozen hackles from a few saddles then bag
them in ziploc sandwich bags labeled by size... usually a range of 2
sizes (14-16) (16-18) so when I get to a show or am out camping/fishing,
I can be more productive. Then I take along full capes in dun, grizz,
brown to have a full range of sizes in the event I need them.

I also found the comment attributed to George Harvey interesting. A few
years back, I started tying smaller flies on larger hooks, which is sort
of similar to what was described. The difference is I tie from the bend
forward to about the 2/3 point of the shank and leave the front 1/4 to
1/3 bare behind the eye. This results in a smaller fly with greater
hooking ability, and it doesn't impact how it floats at all.

Larry

[Larry Medina]

>>>Does the gauge measure the hackle feather from the pin you bend it
>>>round, in which case it includes the thickness of the hackle stem?
>>
>>Yes, but that doesn't matter.
>>
> There you go! If the OP is actually concerned about whether the stem is
> included in the measurement, I recommend drinking some anejo until it no
> longer comes up in conversation.

I make this same recommendation in virtually *ANY* circumstance =)


As for using a gauge, I find it most useful for selecting and sizing
saddle hackles prior to attending a tying show/venue or going on a road
trip. I strip and size a few dozen hackles from a few saddles then bag
them in ziploc sandwich bags labeled by size... usually a range of 2
sizes (14-16) (16-18) so when I get to a show or am out camping/fishing,
I can be more productive. Then I take along full capes in dun, grizz,
brown to have a full range of sizes in the event I need them.

I also found the comment attributed to George Harvey interesting. A few
years back, I started tying smaller flies on larger hooks, which is sort
of similar to what was described. The difference is I tie from the bend
forward to about the 2/3 point of the shank and leave the front 1/4 to
1/3 bare behind the eye. This results in a smaller fly with greater
hooking ability, and it doesn't impact how it floats at all.

Larry

[Larry Medina]

> Funny you should mention the holy hand grenade. I was in a tequila bar in
> San Diego, and ordered some Herradura Anejo (not bad at $6/shot!). A new
> bottle came up from the depths, and the bartender had problems opening it,
> and broke the cap.

Ahh...back on anejo. I prefer Chinaco or Don Viejo, and have recently
been developing a taste for Milagro... used to be hooked on Patron, but
it ain't the same once you've tried on of these others!!

Larry

[Larry Medina]

> Funny you should mention the holy hand grenade. I was in a tequila bar in
> San Diego, and ordered some Herradura Anejo (not bad at $6/shot!). A new
> bottle came up from the depths, and the bartender had problems opening it,
> and broke the cap.

Ahh...back on anejo. I prefer Chinaco or Don Viejo, and have recently
been developing a taste for Milagro... used to be hooked on Patron, but
it ain't the same once you've tried on of these others!!

Larry

[Tim J.]

Larry Medina wrote:
>> Funny you should mention the holy hand grenade. I was in a tequila
>> bar in San Diego, and ordered some Herradura Anejo (not bad at
>> $6/shot!). A new bottle came up from the depths, and the bartender
>> had problems opening it, and broke the cap.
>
> Ahh...back on anejo. I prefer Chinaco or Don Viejo, and have recently
> been developing a taste for Milagro... used to be hooked on Patron,
> but it ain't the same once you've tried on of these others!!

Freakin' Takillya snobs! ;-) $6.00 a shot? Howz about $6.00 a bottle?

Gimme a Baja beach, Cuervo Gold in one hand, and a fishing rod in the
other (although the rod is optional.)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

[Tim J.]

Larry Medina wrote:
>> Funny you should mention the holy hand grenade. I was in a tequila
>> bar in San Diego, and ordered some Herradura Anejo (not bad at
>> $6/shot!). A new bottle came up from the depths, and the bartender
>> had problems opening it, and broke the cap.
>
> Ahh...back on anejo. I prefer Chinaco or Don Viejo, and have recently
> been developing a taste for Milagro... used to be hooked on Patron,
> but it ain't the same once you've tried on of these others!!

Freakin' Takillya snobs! ;-) $6.00 a shot? Howz about $6.00 a bottle?

Gimme a Baja beach, Cuervo Gold in one hand, and a fishing rod in the
other (although the rod is optional.)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

[Paradise]

"Norman Greenwood" > wrote in message
...
> Does the gauge measure the hackle feather from the pin you bend it
> round, in which case it includes the thickness of the hackle stem? Or
> does it measure from the centre of the pin you bend it round, in which
> case the pin may vary in thickness from the hook and you may be better
> bending it round a hook and saving a buck?
> A Yorkshire Lad
>
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>


Does it really matter what you bend the hackle around?

If using a hackle gauge or a hook shank, the barbs will still stand out the
same distance.

The hackle gauge usually shows the general size of the hackle if wrapped
around the hook shank.

You would be better to say that the hackle should equal at least the hook
gap size or a little over depending on the style of fly you are tying.

[Paradise]

"Norman Greenwood" > wrote in message
...
> Does the gauge measure the hackle feather from the pin you bend it
> round, in which case it includes the thickness of the hackle stem? Or
> does it measure from the centre of the pin you bend it round, in which
> case the pin may vary in thickness from the hook and you may be better
> bending it round a hook and saving a buck?
> A Yorkshire Lad
>
> Remove spam filter to reply
>


Does it really matter what you bend the hackle around?

If using a hackle gauge or a hook shank, the barbs will still stand out the
same distance.

The hackle gauge usually shows the general size of the hackle if wrapped
around the hook shank.

You would be better to say that the hackle should equal at least the hook
gap size or a little over depending on the style of fly you are tying.

[Paradise]

"Scott Seidman" > wrote in message
. 1.4...
>
>
> There you go! If the OP is actually concerned about whether the stem is
> included in the measurement, I recommend drinking some anejo until it no
> longer comes up in conversation.
>
> Scott

Why is it that very few know how to spell "añejo"?

It is Spanish after all.

[Paradise]

"Scott Seidman" > wrote in message
. 1.4...
>
>
> There you go! If the OP is actually concerned about whether the stem is
> included in the measurement, I recommend drinking some anejo until it no
> longer comes up in conversation.
>
> Scott

Why is it that very few know how to spell "añejo"?

It is Spanish after all.

[Paradise]

"Tim J." > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Freakin' Takillya snobs! ;-) $6.00 a shot? Howz about $6.00 a bottle?
>
> Gimme a Baja beach, Cuervo Gold in one hand, and a fishing rod in the
> other (although the rod is optional.)
> --
> TL,
> Tim

$6 a bottle of what?

I've paid that much for a decent imported brew.

A bottle of Chinaco Añejo should only cost you about $35.

And it won't be a "Takillya."

[Norman Greenwood]

"Paradise" > wrote in message
...
> "Norman Greenwood" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Does the gauge measure the hackle feather from the pin you bend it
> > round, in which case it includes the thickness of the hackle stem?
Or
> > does it measure from the centre of the pin you bend it round, in
which
> > case the pin may vary in thickness from the hook and you may be
better
> > bending it round a hook and saving a buck?
> > A Yorkshire Lad
> >
> > Remove spam filter to reply
> >
>
>
> Does it really matter what you bend the hackle around?
>
> If using a hackle gauge or a hook shank, the barbs will still stand
out the
> same distance.
>
> The hackle gauge usually shows the general size of the hackle if
wrapped
> around the hook shank.
>
> You would be better to say that the hackle should equal at least the
hook
> gap size or a little over depending on the style of fly you are tying.
>
Yes-the point of my posting. The hackle gauge is less accurate than the
hook in use gape and what the fly pattern calls for. The gauge is at
it's
manufacture what the designer thinks is a correct hackle length
and he may or may not have had a few bottles of Herradura Anejo
or he may not even know!
Tight Lines
A Yorkshire Lad

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[Norman Greenwood]

"Paradise" > wrote in message
...
> "Norman Greenwood" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Does the gauge measure the hackle feather from the pin you bend it
> > round, in which case it includes the thickness of the hackle stem?
Or
> > does it measure from the centre of the pin you bend it round, in
which
> > case the pin may vary in thickness from the hook and you may be
better
> > bending it round a hook and saving a buck?
> > A Yorkshire Lad
> >
> > Remove spam filter to reply
> >
>
>
> Does it really matter what you bend the hackle around?
>
> If using a hackle gauge or a hook shank, the barbs will still stand
out the
> same distance.
>
> The hackle gauge usually shows the general size of the hackle if
wrapped
> around the hook shank.
>
> You would be better to say that the hackle should equal at least the
hook
> gap size or a little over depending on the style of fly you are tying.
>
Yes-the point of my posting. The hackle gauge is less accurate than the
hook in use gape and what the fly pattern calls for. The gauge is at
it's
manufacture what the designer thinks is a correct hackle length
and he may or may not have had a few bottles of Herradura Anejo
or he may not even know!
Tight Lines
A Yorkshire Lad

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[Scott Seidman]

"Paradise" > wrote in news:segsd.82139$ye4.69636
@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com:

> "Scott Seidman" > wrote in message
> . 1.4...
>>
>>
>> There you go! If the OP is actually concerned about whether the stem is
>> included in the measurement, I recommend drinking some anejo until it no
>> longer comes up in conversation.
>>
>> Scott
>
> Why is it that very few know how to spell "añejo"?
>
> It is Spanish after all.
>
>
>

Many don't bother to figure out how to make their plain text editors deal
with diacriticals.

Scott

[Tim J.]

Scott Seidman wrote:
> "Paradise" > wrote in news:segsd.82139$ye4.69636
> @twister.rdc-kc.rr.com:
>> "Scott Seidman" > wrote in message
>> . 1.4...
>>>
>>> There you go! If the OP is actually concerned about whether the
>>> stem is included in the measurement, I recommend drinking some
>>> anejo until it no longer comes up in conversation.
>>
>> Why is it that very few know how to spell "añejo"?
>>
>> It is Spanish after all.
>
> Many don't bother to figure out how to make their plain text editors
> deal with diacriticals.

.. . . and many more aren't that anal retentive. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

[Paradise]

"Scott Seidman" > wrote in message
. 1.4...
>
> Many don't bother to figure out how to make their plain text editors deal
> with diacriticals.
>
> Scott


Try "alt" + "0241" = ñ.

Or use "alt" + "0209" = Ñ.

Of course, leave out the quotation marks.

[Paradise]

"Scott Seidman" > wrote in message
. 1.4...
>
> Many don't bother to figure out how to make their plain text editors deal
> with diacriticals.
>
> Scott


Try "alt" + "0241" = ñ.

Or use "alt" + "0209" = Ñ.

Of course, leave out the quotation marks.

[Tim J.]

Paradise wrote:
> "Scott Seidman" > wrote in message
> . 1.4...
>>
>> Many don't bother to figure out how to make their plain text editors
>> deal with diacriticals.
>>
>> Scott
>
> Try "alt" + "0241" = ñ.
> Or use "alt" + "0209" = Ñ.
>
> Of course, leave out the quotation marks.

.. . . and you can only use the numeric keypad. ¡Olé!
--
TL,
Tim
(or you can just type Anejo and everyone will still know what you mean)
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

[Scott Seidman]

"Paradise" > wrote in
:

> "Scott Seidman" > wrote in message
> . 1.4...
>>
>> Many don't bother to figure out how to make their plain text editors
>> deal with diacriticals.
>>
>> Scott
>
>
> Try "alt" + "0241" = ñ.
>
> Or use "alt" + "0209" = Ñ.
>
> Of course, leave out the quotation marks.
>
>
>

Or "n" works fairly well

Scott