feather suggestion?

[Larry L]

Imagine a small ( size #20 standard length ) soft hackle, intended to be
fished when tiny little "black caddis" are on the water.

I'm looking for a feather for that hackle that will have barbules about the
length of the #20 hook shank, maybe a tad more, but not too long, and an
almost black, flecked with greys, color.

All the soft hackle feathers I have ( partridge, grouse, quail ) are either
too big, or more brown and lighter than what I want.

Anybody think of a bird ( available legally and easily ) that might have a
feather like I seek?


On a similar note, got a good technique to use "too big" SH feathers on
small hooks? The number of feathers that will hackle small hooks is pretty
limited on most partridge skins.

[Larry L]

digging deeper into my too big stash of dead animal stuff I found a Starling
skin that has feathers that would work "OK"

I'd still prefer slightly thicker, but still soft, barbules and more gray
flecking ... suggestions still accepted with gratitude

[Larry L]

digging deeper into my too big stash of dead animal stuff I found a Starling
skin that has feathers that would work "OK"

I'd still prefer slightly thicker, but still soft, barbules and more gray
flecking ... suggestions still accepted with gratitude

[George Cleveland]

On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:32:55 GMT, "Larry L"
> wrote:

>Imagine a small ( size #20 standard length ) soft hackle, intended to be
>fished when tiny little "black caddis" are on the water.
>
>
>
>On a similar note, got a good technique to use "too big" SH feathers on
>small hooks? The number of feathers that will hackle small hooks is pretty
>limited on most partridge skins.
>

http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=171887&postid=1981740

The mid shank method Hans W. recommends has worked well for me.

hth


g.c.

[George Cleveland]

On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:32:55 GMT, "Larry L"
> wrote:

>Imagine a small ( size #20 standard length ) soft hackle, intended to be
>fished when tiny little "black caddis" are on the water.
>
>
>
>On a similar note, got a good technique to use "too big" SH feathers on
>small hooks? The number of feathers that will hackle small hooks is pretty
>limited on most partridge skins.
>

http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=171887&postid=1981740

The mid shank method Hans W. recommends has worked well for me.

hth


g.c.

[Mike Connor]

"Larry L" > wrote in message
...
> Imagine a small ( size #20 standard length ) soft hackle, intended to be
> fished when tiny little "black caddis" are on the water.
>
> I'm looking for a feather for that hackle that will have barbules about
the
> length of the #20 hook shank, maybe a tad more, but not too long, and an
> almost black, flecked with greys, color.
>
> All the soft hackle feathers I have ( partridge, grouse, quail ) are
either
> too big, or more brown and lighter than what I want.
>
> Anybody think of a bird ( available legally and easily ) that might have a
> feather like I seek?
>
>
> On a similar note, got a good technique to use "too big" SH feathers on
> small hooks? The number of feathers that will hackle small hooks is
pretty
> limited on most partridge skins.
>
>

Starling is the "Standard" answer here, however, any samll bird hackles will
work. Usually, the smaller the bird, the smaller the hackles.

If you are tying spider type flies, just tie the fibers in separately, you
don´t need more than six fibres. One may also tie "reverse". Tie the body,
when coming back up from the hook bend with the thread, stop the thread at a
point on the shank, which is equal to extra length of the feather you wish
to tie in.

Tie in your hackle here, but don´t tie it off. Take the thread behind the
hackle, and wind over the hackle until you reach the head. fold the hackle
back and spaly a little if required.

Lastly, you can also put the fibres in a dubbing loop.
TL
MC

[Mike Connor]

"Larry L" > wrote in message
...
> Imagine a small ( size #20 standard length ) soft hackle, intended to be
> fished when tiny little "black caddis" are on the water.
>
> I'm looking for a feather for that hackle that will have barbules about
the
> length of the #20 hook shank, maybe a tad more, but not too long, and an
> almost black, flecked with greys, color.
>
> All the soft hackle feathers I have ( partridge, grouse, quail ) are
either
> too big, or more brown and lighter than what I want.
>
> Anybody think of a bird ( available legally and easily ) that might have a
> feather like I seek?
>
>
> On a similar note, got a good technique to use "too big" SH feathers on
> small hooks? The number of feathers that will hackle small hooks is
pretty
> limited on most partridge skins.
>
>

Starling is the "Standard" answer here, however, any samll bird hackles will
work. Usually, the smaller the bird, the smaller the hackles.

If you are tying spider type flies, just tie the fibers in separately, you
don´t need more than six fibres. One may also tie "reverse". Tie the body,
when coming back up from the hook bend with the thread, stop the thread at a
point on the shank, which is equal to extra length of the feather you wish
to tie in.

Tie in your hackle here, but don´t tie it off. Take the thread behind the
hackle, and wind over the hackle until you reach the head. fold the hackle
back and spaly a little if required.

Lastly, you can also put the fibres in a dubbing loop.
TL
MC

[randy bois]

I think I have it. Iv'e been tying some large stryper flies for a shop in
Maine and have found that small emu feather tips are exactly what you need.
They are soft, buggy and some tie very small. Ive tied some of the stiffer
ones under the soft hackle on hornbergs. They are excellent feathers.

Randy
"Larry L" > wrote in message
...
> Imagine a small ( size #20 standard length ) soft hackle, intended to be
> fished when tiny little "black caddis" are on the water.
>
> I'm looking for a feather for that hackle that will have barbules about
the
> length of the #20 hook shank, maybe a tad more, but not too long, and an
> almost black, flecked with greys, color.
>
> All the soft hackle feathers I have ( partridge, grouse, quail ) are
either
> too big, or more brown and lighter than what I want.
>
> Anybody think of a bird ( available legally and easily ) that might have a
> feather like I seek?
>
>
> On a similar note, got a good technique to use "too big" SH feathers on
> small hooks? The number of feathers that will hackle small hooks is
pretty
> limited on most partridge skins.
>
>

[randy bois]

I think I have it. Iv'e been tying some large stryper flies for a shop in
Maine and have found that small emu feather tips are exactly what you need.
They are soft, buggy and some tie very small. Ive tied some of the stiffer
ones under the soft hackle on hornbergs. They are excellent feathers.

Randy
"Larry L" > wrote in message
...
> Imagine a small ( size #20 standard length ) soft hackle, intended to be
> fished when tiny little "black caddis" are on the water.
>
> I'm looking for a feather for that hackle that will have barbules about
the
> length of the #20 hook shank, maybe a tad more, but not too long, and an
> almost black, flecked with greys, color.
>
> All the soft hackle feathers I have ( partridge, grouse, quail ) are
either
> too big, or more brown and lighter than what I want.
>
> Anybody think of a bird ( available legally and easily ) that might have a
> feather like I seek?
>
>
> On a similar note, got a good technique to use "too big" SH feathers on
> small hooks? The number of feathers that will hackle small hooks is
pretty
> limited on most partridge skins.
>
>