fly patterns

[randy bois]

I need help.

Does anyony know of a place I can find fly patterns online? Im tying
commercially and I need to get the correct patterns.

Thanks Randy

[Mike Connor]

"randy bois" > wrote in message
...
> I need help.
>
> Does anyony know of a place I can find fly patterns online? Im tying
> commercially and I need to get the correct patterns.
>
> Thanks Randy
>

There are untold numbers of sites offering patterns. For specific patterns,
do a search on the name of the fly. There is no guarantee that such
patterns, ( unless they happen to be from the originators, or very well
known), will be "correct". Also, many customers have specific preferences
anyway. Ask your customer what he wants first.

TL
MC

[Thomas Littleton]

"Mike Connor" > wrote in message
...
> There are untold numbers of sites offering patterns. For specific
patterns,
> do a search on the name of the fly. There is no guarantee that such
> patterns, ( unless they happen to be from the originators, or very well
> known), will be "correct". Also, many customers have specific preferences
> anyway. Ask your customer what he wants first.
>
> TL
> MC
Excellent advice,notably the last sentence. I couldn't tell you how much a
customer's idea of a given pattern deviates from the standard(as tied by the
originator)!
Tom

[SBC News]

A few I've bookmarked:
http://www.umpqua.com/cgi-bin/flies.cgi?action=showIndex

http://shop.flyfishing.about.com/fly_archive/index1.htm

http://www.virtualflybox.com/patterns/index.php

http://www.danica.com/flytier/patternindex.htm

I agree with Mike Connor's previous advice. Regards.

"randy bois" > wrote in message
...
>I need help.
>
> Does anyony know of a place I can find fly patterns online? Im tying
> commercially and I need to get the correct patterns.

[vincent p. norris]

> I couldn't tell you how much a customer's idea of a given pattern
>deviates from the standard(as tied by the originator)!
> Tom

Tom, here's an astonishing (to me, at least) example of a "deviant"--

If you tied a dry fly with a tail of golden pheasant tippets, a body
of peacock herl with a belt of red floss, wings of white calf, and
dark brown hackle, what would you call it?

If you said Royal Wulff, no, according to A.K. Best, it's an ADAMS!!!!

If you don't believe that, see page 37 of the latest (March 2005)
issue of Fly Rod & Reel.

vince

[randy bois]

Thank you SBC, I only asked for sites.
"SBC News" > wrote in message
om...
> A few I've bookmarked:
> http://www.umpqua.com/cgi-bin/flies.cgi?action=showIndex
>
> http://shop.flyfishing.about.com/fly_archive/index1.htm
>
> http://www.virtualflybox.com/patterns/index.php
>
> http://www.danica.com/flytier/patternindex.htm
>
> I agree with Mike Connor's previous advice. Regards.
>
> "randy bois" > wrote in message
> ...
> >I need help.
> >
> > Does anyony know of a place I can find fly patterns online? Im tying
> > commercially and I need to get the correct patterns.
>
>

[randy bois]

Thank you SBC, I only asked for sites.
"SBC News" > wrote in message
om...
> A few I've bookmarked:
> http://www.umpqua.com/cgi-bin/flies.cgi?action=showIndex
>
> http://shop.flyfishing.about.com/fly_archive/index1.htm
>
> http://www.virtualflybox.com/patterns/index.php
>
> http://www.danica.com/flytier/patternindex.htm
>
> I agree with Mike Connor's previous advice. Regards.
>
> "randy bois" > wrote in message
> ...
> >I need help.
> >
> > Does anyony know of a place I can find fly patterns online? Im tying
> > commercially and I need to get the correct patterns.
>
>

[Thomas Littleton]

"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
...
> > I couldn't tell you how much a customer's idea of a given pattern
> >deviates from the standard(as tied by the originator)!
> > Tom
>
> Tom, here's an astonishing (to me, at least) example of a "deviant"--
>
> If you tied a dry fly with a tail of golden pheasant tippets, a body
> of peacock herl with a belt of red floss, wings of white calf, and
> dark brown hackle, what would you call it?
>
> If you said Royal Wulff, no, according to A.K. Best, it's an ADAMS!!!!
>
> If you don't believe that, see page 37 of the latest (March 2005)
> issue of Fly Rod & Reel.
>
> vince

Methinks perhaps an editor's error on that one?? Actually, that one
described would be a Hairwing Royal Coachman.....the Wulff would or should
have a hair tail (bucktail, calftail, others have been used).
Tom

[vincent p. norris]

>Methinks perhaps an editor's error on that one??

No, it was not an error, Tom.

> Actually, that one described would be a Hairwing Royal Coachman

OK, that's MY error; I didn't look it up to be certain.

But the "Adams" ID was no editor's error. The theme of A.K. Best's
article is that an Adams can be tied using various materials for tail,
body, wing, hackle, and all the materials I mentioned were included in
A.K.'s list of acceptable substitutes for the traditional ones.

As he says, ( I checked his math), there are more than 4,000 different
patterns for the Adams, if you're willing to accept his list of
substitute materials.

vince

[Jim]

"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
...
> > I couldn't tell you how much a customer's idea of a given pattern
> >deviates from the standard(as tied by the originator)!
> > Tom
>
> Tom, here's an astonishing (to me, at least) example of a "deviant"--
>
> If you tied a dry fly with a tail of golden pheasant tippets, a body
> of peacock herl with a belt of red floss, wings of white calf, and
> dark brown hackle, what would you call it?
>
> If you said Royal Wulff, no, according to A.K. Best, it's an ADAMS!!!!
>
> If you don't believe that, see page 37 of the latest (March 2005)
> issue of Fly Rod & Reel.
>
> vince

Yeah, I read that too. According to their list, it looks like virtually
every combination of materials generating what most folks consider to be a
"dry fly" is in fact an Adams. I bet they get more than a few letters
concerning that one.

Jim Ray, who now wonders excactly what defines an Adams

[vincent p. norris]

>Yeah, I read that too. According to their list, it looks like virtually
>every combination of materials generating what most folks consider to be a
>"dry fly" is in fact an Adams. I bet they get more than a few letters
>concerning that one.

I don't think I'll take that bet!
>
>Jim Ray, who now wonders excactly what defines an Adams

Don't know about an Adams, Jim, but I can assure you that if you tie a
fly with a gray body, grizzly wings, and hackle of grizzly and brown,
you can call it a Royal Coachman.

Why not! I learned in algebra class that if A=B, then B=A.

vince

[Gary]

Thanks for the links: I can refer to them when I want to see what the
ugly-balls-of-fluff-on-hooks that I'm currently creating are *supposed* to
look like!

(sigh) Maybe someday....

Cheers!

Gary

> http://www.umpqua.com/cgi-bin/flies.cgi?action=showIndex
>
> http://shop.flyfishing.about.com/fly_archive/index1.htm
>
> http://www.virtualflybox.com/patterns/index.php
>
> http://www.danica.com/flytier/patternindex.htm