Oh-oh...it's looking at lot worse for the chosen people...

[[email protected]]

Now, reporte..er, particularly grasping sources are reporting more facts
that point toward some weird Jewish involvement in the damage to New
Orleans. These sources are saying something about what sounds like it
might be some guy from New York (or possibly Boca Raton, FL) named
"Bernie" ("Boy-knee") having filled Lake Pontchartrain as those
aforementioned dastardly Levys were up to their trickery. Speculation
is beginning to build among reporters that any group with a guy named
"Boy-knee" and a bunch of Levys must be some sort of Jewish gang. Henri
Dubissonette, now known as "Henry Dew-bis-ON-it," and formally of Grand
Isle, said he was pretty sure "that all that extra water in
Pontchartrain came through Lake Bourne," but former fashion and leisure
reporters Candice Babcock and Brucie Peters, from the LA bureaus of CNN
and Fox, respectively, dismissed him as "just some uniformed white local
yokel" and told him to go count Cadillacs in the black part of town.

These same sources are at a loss as to why this bunch of Jews had
singled out New Orleans during the crisis, but some are speculating that
this reluctance to speculate is because just don't know yet if words
like "Farr-vee," "Neck-a-see," and "Koo-vaas'" that they are seeing in
their briefing notes about things over in MS are Jewish names or
ebonics, and as such, are being particularly politically correct until
they can figure things out. When asked for comment, Bay St. Louis
resident John Necaise said he didn't understand much of what the
reporter was babbling about, but he was pretty sure that Mayor Farve and
Senator Cuevas would be on top of any kind of conspiracy stuff.

Well, I, for one, am shocked. And to think, if it weren't for such
perspective providers and their obviously keen grasp of things down
here, we uninformed local types might not realize what was what...

[Flycatcher]

This is meant as a constructive criticism - hope you take it in that spirit.

Slow down and read your post before you post it - Whether I agree with you
or not is irrelevant, but any point you try to make is lost when your
sentences don't seem to make any sense.

This may be due to a poor grasp of your dialect, but I'm probably not the
only one who is having problems reading it.

You end up failing to get your point across when the reader gives up
after the second sentence.




John


> wrote in message
...
> Now, reporte..er, particularly grasping sources are reporting more facts
> that point toward some weird Jewish involvement in the damage to New
> Orleans. These sources are saying something about what sounds like it
> might be some guy from New York (or possibly Boca Raton, FL) named
> "Bernie" ("Boy-knee") having filled Lake Pontchartrain as those
> aforementioned dastardly Levys were up to their trickery. Speculation
> is beginning to build among reporters that any group with a guy named
> "Boy-knee" and a bunch of Levys must be some sort of Jewish gang. Henri
> Dubissonette, now known as "Henry Dew-bis-ON-it," and formally of Grand
> Isle, said he was pretty sure "that all that extra water in
> Pontchartrain came through Lake Bourne," but former fashion and leisure
> reporters Candice Babcock and Brucie Peters, from the LA bureaus of CNN
> and Fox, respectively, dismissed him as "just some uniformed white local
> yokel" and told him to go count Cadillacs in the black part of town.
>
> These same sources are at a loss as to why this bunch of Jews had
> singled out New Orleans during the crisis, but some are speculating that
> this reluctance to speculate is because just don't know yet if words
> like "Farr-vee," "Neck-a-see," and "Koo-vaas'" that they are seeing in
> their briefing notes about things over in MS are Jewish names or
> ebonics, and as such, are being particularly politically correct until
> they can figure things out. When asked for comment, Bay St. Louis
> resident John Necaise said he didn't understand much of what the
> reporter was babbling about, but he was pretty sure that Mayor Farve and
> Senator Cuevas would be on top of any kind of conspiracy stuff.
>
> Well, I, for one, am shocked. And to think, if it weren't for such
> perspective providers and their obviously keen grasp of things down
> here, we uninformed local types might not realize what was what...

[Ken Fortenberry]

wrote:
> Now, reporte..er, particularly grasping sources are reporting more facts
> that point toward some weird Jewish involvement in the damage to New
> Orleans. ...

You're forgetting the first rule of holes, Dickie. That is,
when you find yourself in one, quit digging.

Your ignorant blatherings here reveal far more about yourself
than you realize.

You know that you're echoing some really sick ****, right ?
The Klan has long claimed that if they'd have just stuck
to ****in' with the blacks the US would be a far different
place today. Their "tactical error", or so they claim, was
attacking Jews who had money and influence which brought
the FBI into the picture. The Klan believed they were in a
war and many of them believe thay'd have won that war if
not for the Jews.

This shtick of yours is not funny, it's sick and twisted.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Tim J.]

Ken Fortenberry typed:
> wrote:
>> Now, reporte..er, particularly grasping sources are reporting more
>> facts that point toward some weird Jewish involvement in the damage
>> to New Orleans. ...
>
> You're forgetting the first rule of holes, Dickie. That is,
> when you find yourself in one, quit digging.
>
> Your ignorant blatherings here reveal far more about yourself
> than you realize.
>
> You know that you're echoing some really sick ****, right ?
> The Klan has long claimed that if they'd have just stuck
> to ****in' with the blacks the US would be a far different
> place today. Their "tactical error", or so they claim, was
> attacking Jews who had money and influence which brought
> the FBI into the picture. The Klan believed they were in a
> war and many of them believe thay'd have won that war if
> not for the Jews.
>
> This shtick of yours is not funny, it's sick and twisted.

That could be, but something much more important just happened that needs
your attention: someone just top-posted.
--
TL,
Tim
(priorities, man, priorities)
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

[Kevin Vang]

In article >,
says...
> This is meant as a constructive criticism - hope you take it in that spirit.
>
> Slow down and read your post before you post it - Whether I agree with you
> or not is irrelevant, but any point you try to make is lost when your
> sentences don't seem to make any sense.
>

As Bob Dylan once said, when someone complained that he was singing off-
key, "But that's my _style_, man!"

Kevin
--
reply to: kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

[Flycatcher]

"Kevin Vang" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >,
> says...
> > This is meant as a constructive criticism - hope you take it in that
spirit.
> >
> > Slow down and read your post before you post it - Whether I agree with
you
> > or not is irrelevant, but any point you try to make is lost when your
> > sentences don't seem to make any sense.
> >
>
> As Bob Dylan once said, when someone complained that he was singing off-
> key, "But that's my _style_, man!"
>
> Kevin
> --
> reply to: kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu


Fair point - but Bob Dylan still communicated his message rather well.
Don't you think? I'd read Dylan's stuff all the way through after all
(although I have to admit, I probably wouldn't need to. :-)).

[Ken Fortenberry]

Tim J. wrote:
> Ken Fortenberry wrote of Dickie Dean:
>> <snip>
>>This shtick of yours is not funny, it's sick and twisted.
>
> That could be, but something much more important just happened that needs
> your attention: someone just top-posted.

There's nothing I can do about top-posting, so anymore
I ignore it.

I've never seen anything of value posted here by a
top-poster, this is a Usenet group where the convention
is standard posting so that makes top-posters rude,
stupid, lazy and eminently ignorable.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[[email protected]]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:29:30 +0100, "Flycatcher" >
wrote:

>This is meant as a constructive criticism - hope you take it in that spirit.

I do.

>Slow down and read your post before you post it - Whether I agree with you
>or not is irrelevant, but any point you try to make is lost when your
>sentences don't seem to make any sense.

Unless you've been following this particular chapter of the little drama
that is ROFF from the beginning, I'd be surprised if it did make a lot
of sense. But you can rest assured that those at whom it is aimed not
only understand all or at least most of it, but read every word, too.
And FWIW, I suspect, but do not know, that at least some other readers,
should there be any, have an idea of what it is about.

>This may be due to a poor grasp of your dialect, but I'm probably not the
>only one who is having problems reading it.

To sum it up: I'm making fun of the news media/"information sources"
coming out of New Orleans and those out of the area who are apparently
looking toward these dubious sources as actually informed about
anything. These "sources" regularly mispronounce words that any and
every local know by heart, such as pronouncing "levee" (leh-vee) as
"LEE-vee" and Bourne (basically, "born") as "BOY-knee"/"Bernie" (from
Boca Raton), and using the silly-assed "n'awlins" pronunciation, all the
while offering up all sorts of nonsense about the situation as if they
know intimately the area, its people, and what they think and feel. To
locals of the area, it is similar to seeing supposedly-authentic New
Orleans-based films where someone runs from a swamp into the Vieux
Carre, (nearly) every resident is referred to as a "Cajun," and everyone
calls everyone "my cherie," or something equally silly.

>You end up failing to get your point across when the reader gives up
>after the second sentence.

Oh, I'm fairly sure my point got across to those for whom it was
intended, but thanks for the input.

TC,
R

[[email protected]]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:49:09 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
> wrote:

wrote:
>> Now, reporte..er, particularly grasping sources are reporting more facts
>> that point toward some weird Jewish involvement in the damage to New
>> Orleans. ...
>
>You're forgetting the first rule of holes, Dickie. That is,
>when you find yourself in one, quit digging.

That may be YOUR first rule of holes, and as an aside, it's interesting
to see that you don't pay attention to your own rules, no matter often
you need them, but MY first rule is when you find yourself in one of
them, see if she'll play with the other one until you can get to it
personally...

>Your ignorant blatherings here reveal far more about yourself
>than you realize.

>You know that you're echoing some really sick ****, right ?
>The Klan has long claimed that if they'd have just stuck
>to ****in' with the blacks the US would be a far different
>place today. Their "tactical error", or so they claim, was
>attacking Jews who had money and influence which brought
>the FBI into the picture. The Klan believed they were in a
>war and many of them believe thay'd have won that war if
>not for the Jews.

Yeah, Ol' J. Edgar didn't care about a bunch of sheet-cutters messin'
with the darkies, but when they started messin' with his close, personal
bubalahs, the wacky little socialists, well, they were just asking for a
damned good Hoovering...and of course, if you can't take a Klan mission
failure self-assessment as intelligent, well-thought-out, and informed,
where ya gonna go - CNN?
>
>This shtick of yours is not funny, it's sick and twisted.

And apparently, being using as shtick by Jews from Minnesota, too...

[Flycatcher]

I see - its a private party! ;-)

No, you're right - I haven't been on this group long, and was wondering why
this was on a fishing board.

Thanks for the translation. I have to agree about the press - simply
because at the root of every item of news lies one vested interest or
another(politicians, press barons with an axe to grind, a big corporation
looking to do the dirty on one of its competitors/shareholders - the list is
endless). The fact is that the press ends up being used as a propaganda
tool by those interests.

Anyway, enough political rant for now. I have to take photos of some flies
so I can update a page on the website . Some photograph glamour models.
And I do Flies. :-(

Cheers

John



> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:29:30 +0100, "Flycatcher" >
> wrote:
>
> >This is meant as a constructive criticism - hope you take it in that
spirit.
>
> I do.
>
> >Slow down and read your post before you post it - Whether I agree with
you
> >or not is irrelevant, but any point you try to make is lost when your
> >sentences don't seem to make any sense.
>
> Unless you've been following this particular chapter of the little drama
> that is ROFF from the beginning, I'd be surprised if it did make a lot
> of sense. But you can rest assured that those at whom it is aimed not
> only understand all or at least most of it, but read every word, too.
> And FWIW, I suspect, but do not know, that at least some other readers,
> should there be any, have an idea of what it is about.
>
> >This may be due to a poor grasp of your dialect, but I'm probably not the
> >only one who is having problems reading it.
>
> To sum it up: I'm making fun of the news media/"information sources"
> coming out of New Orleans and those out of the area who are apparently
> looking toward these dubious sources as actually informed about
> anything. These "sources" regularly mispronounce words that any and
> every local know by heart, such as pronouncing "levee" (leh-vee) as
> "LEE-vee" and Bourne (basically, "born") as "BOY-knee"/"Bernie" (from
> Boca Raton), and using the silly-assed "n'awlins" pronunciation, all the
> while offering up all sorts of nonsense about the situation as if they
> know intimately the area, its people, and what they think and feel. To
> locals of the area, it is similar to seeing supposedly-authentic New
> Orleans-based films where someone runs from a swamp into the Vieux
> Carre, (nearly) every resident is referred to as a "Cajun," and everyone
> calls everyone "my cherie," or something equally silly.
>
> >You end up failing to get your point across when the reader gives up
> >after the second sentence.
>
> Oh, I'm fairly sure my point got across to those for whom it was
> intended, but thanks for the input.
>
> TC,
> R

[Ken Fortenberry]

wrote:
> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>This shtick of yours is not funny, it's sick and twisted.
>
> And apparently, being using as shtick by Jews from Minnesota, too...

Al Franken is funny, you are not.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Mark W. Oots]

"Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in message
.. .
> wrote:
>> Now, reporte..er, particularly grasping sources are reporting more facts
>> that point toward some weird Jewish involvement in the damage to New
>> Orleans. ...
>
> You're forgetting the first rule of holes, Dickie. That is,
> when you find yourself in one, quit digging.
>
Or do as they do in DC...dig deep enough, call it a tunnel and say you see
the light at the end of it.

Aside from that, I agree with Forty...(First time for everything) Now that's
scary!

Mark

[rw]

Flycatcher wrote:
> You end up failing to get your point across when the reader gives up
> after the second sentence.

Interesting. Hunter S. Thompson never had that problem.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

[[email protected]]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:05:41 -0600, rw >
wrote:

>Flycatcher wrote:
>> You end up failing to get your point across when the reader gives up
>> after the second sentence.
>
>Interesting. Hunter S. Thompson never had that problem.

Now hang on a second - are you claiming that he _NEVER_, not even once,
had that problem, or just not of which you are personally aware, or ???
Oh, wait...is this something they say everyone says?

[[email protected]]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:07:20 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
> wrote:

wrote:
>> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>>This shtick of yours is not funny, it's sick and twisted.
>>
>> And apparently, being using as shtick by Jews from Minnesota, too...
>
>Al Franken is funny, you are not.

Dang, it must be that Garrison-Keillor-meets-Shecky-Greene delivery of
his..."Today, um, today is an another of, aah, those oh-so-warm evenings
here in pretty little Lake Bournebegone, where all the folks are damp,
but cheerful, and the cats and dogs always have a smile for Mr.
Boudreaux, the postman. Today, however, is a somewhat somber day here
in Lake Bournebegone because little Timmy Beauchamp and several of his
classmates have drowned...AND IT'S THE FAULT OF SOME ****ER NAMED
LEVY!!! AAHHHHH!!!! AND GEORGE BUSH!!! ARRRGGGH!!!" Oh, wait, that's
Garrison-Keillor-meets-Sam-Kinison...

[[email protected]]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:50:39 GMT, "Mark W. Oots" <mark_ctc@(no
spam)ameritech.net> wrote:

>
>"Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in message
.. .
>> wrote:
>>> Now, reporte..er, particularly grasping sources are reporting more facts
>>> that point toward some weird Jewish involvement in the damage to New
>>> Orleans. ...
>>
>> You're forgetting the first rule of holes, Dickie. That is,
>> when you find yourself in one, quit digging.
>>
>Or do as they do in DC...dig deep enough, call it a tunnel and say you see
>the light at the end of it.
>
>Aside from that, I agree with Forty...(First time for everything)

OK...but if I may ask - while I completely understand Ken having, nay,
needing, however unheeded he allows them to go, rules about finding
himself in holes he dug for himself, but I don't think I know you - do
you find yourself in a lot of holes you've dug for yourself, too?

[rw]

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>
>>> This shtick of yours is not funny, it's sick and twisted.
>>
>>
>> And apparently, being using as shtick by Jews from Minnesota, too...
>
>
> Al Franken is funny, you are not.

Correction: Al Franken is intentionally funny.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

[Kevin Vang]

In article >, says...
> Fair point - but Bob Dylan still communicated his message rather well.
> Don't you think? I'd read Dylan's stuff all the way through after all
> (although I have to admit, I probably wouldn't need to. :-)).


Well, if your message is gibberish, then the perfect style to
convey that message would be gibberish, no?

Kevin

--
reply to:
kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

[Cyli]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:52:45 +0100, "Flycatcher" >
wrote:

(much snipped)

>I see - its a private party! ;-)

Yeah, but the public can walk right in. Eventually, they, too, can be
part of the private party. If they care to, after observing it... :)
>
>No, you're right - I haven't been on this group long, and was wondering why
>this was on a fishing board.

Almost everything can be and often is. First of all, it's UseNet.
Second, it's an unmoderated group. Third, most of these guys are long
term users here and have covered pretty much everything there is to
say about flyfishing, so they get bored.

However, I have found much more information here on fish and waters
than I have in any other group, so, even though I was a spinner when I
crept quietly in a few years ago, I've learned a lot about fish and
fishing, done a couple of Claves, met some nice people, and enjoyed
participating in the group. And now have fly gear as well as spinning
gear.


Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: (strip the .invalid to email)

[Flycatcher]

"> Yeah, but the public can walk right in. Eventually, they, too, can be
> part of the private party. If they care to, after observing it... :)"

I see! - not sure if I want to do too much politics though . Life's too
short and there's enough crap out there without the need for me to go
looking for/creating ill feeling here as well (imho).

re. starting off spinning, ditto - I used to take hundreds of trout (quite
literally - 117 on one occasion!)on a little black and gold abu toby. I
created a fly based upon it, but Brian (the fishery owner)wouldn't let me
use it :-

http://www.harelaw.net/johnstobyfly.htm .

I'm not sure it would have casted too well anyway.

By the way, what's a clave?

John

"Cyli" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:52:45 +0100, "Flycatcher" >
> wrote:
>
> (much snipped)
>
> >I see - its a private party! ;-)
>
> Yeah, but the public can walk right in. Eventually, they, too, can be
> part of the private party. If they care to, after observing it... :)
> >
> >No, you're right - I haven't been on this group long, and was wondering
why
> >this was on a fishing board.
>
> Almost everything can be and often is. First of all, it's UseNet.
> Second, it's an unmoderated group. Third, most of these guys are long
> term users here and have covered pretty much everything there is to
> say about flyfishing, so they get bored.
>
> However, I have found much more information here on fish and waters
> than I have in any other group, so, even though I was a spinner when I
> crept quietly in a few years ago, I've learned a lot about fish and
> fishing, done a couple of Claves, met some nice people, and enjoyed
> participating in the group. And now have fly gear as well as spinning
> gear.
>
>
> Cyli
> r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
> Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.
>
> http://www.visi.com/~cyli
> email: (strip the .invalid to email)

[Daniel-San]

"Flycatcher" > wrote ..
>
> By the way, what's a clave?
>
> John
>

Not that I've ever been, but 'clave' is short for conclave. Just a group
getting together to fish, etc. From what I gather, they tend to be roughly
equal in terms of fishing and 'etcetera'.

Dan

[Flycatcher]

Sounds like a good idea! Anyone fancy one at Harelaw?


"Daniel-San" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Flycatcher" > wrote ..
> >
> > By the way, what's a clave?
> >
> > John
> >
>
> Not that I've ever been, but 'clave' is short for conclave. Just a group
> getting together to fish, etc. From what I gather, they tend to be roughly
> equal in terms of fishing and 'etcetera'.
>
> Dan
>
>

[Daniel-San]

"Flycatcher" wrote

> Sounds like a good idea! Anyone fancy one at Harelaw?
>

Figure out a way to transport the Harelaw Fishery from Scotland to about a
day's drive from Chicago, and I'm in.

Dan

[Flycatcher]

I wish I'd thought of that! ;-)

John

"Kevin Vang" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
> > Fair point - but Bob Dylan still communicated his message rather well.
> > Don't you think? I'd read Dylan's stuff all the way through after all
> > (although I have to admit, I probably wouldn't need to. :-)).
>
>
> Well, if your message is gibberish, then the perfect style to
> convey that message would be gibberish, no?
>
> Kevin
>
> --
> reply to:
> kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu
>

[Ken Fortenberry]

Flycatcher wrote:
> Sounds like a good idea! Anyone fancy one at Harelaw?

Well, that'd be different anyway.

We are thoroughly spoiled on this side of the pond. I
just can't imagine fishing for stocked fish in a great
big fish bowl. And Harelaw was voted 5th best trout
fishery in Scotland ? That's ... well, hell I don't
know what that is except I won't be planning any fishing
vacations to Scotland anytime soon.

Instead of a Scotland 'Clave you should consider coming
over here for a 'Clave. We've pretty much settled into
a spring 'Clave in Pennsylvania, a summer 'Clave in
Montana, a fall 'Clave in North Carolina and a winter
'Clave on the San Juan in New Mexico along with a few
others on the east coast and in the midwest. We have
had at least a couple of European 'Claves that I know
of but the Euro roffians seem to have gone underground
lately.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Flycatcher]

Well, looking through various posts, it seems that some of you folk do like
to fly to your destinations. Maybe someone could pick up some hitchers and
then sort of divert to Prestwick? After all, if you can do interstate
fishing why limit yourselves!

;-)


"Daniel-San" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Flycatcher" wrote
>
> > Sounds like a good idea! Anyone fancy one at Harelaw?
> >
>
> Figure out a way to transport the Harelaw Fishery from Scotland to about a
> day's drive from Chicago, and I'm in.
>
> Dan
>
>
>

[Flycatcher]

Just to get the facts completely straight Ken, Yes we do stock trout.
However the Brownies are completely indigenous and run to some good sizes -
10lbs plus.

We see the advantage of the stockies being that its good for the youngsters
and less proficient anglers to still have great sport. The truly big
specimens are either completely wild or in the case of the stocked specimens
they have developed a wariness commensurate with that size as most of our
stock fish are less than 2lbs in weight .

I'm sorry you won't be bothered to drop by. You will miss the banter of
more generously spirited souls.

John



"Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in message
.. .
> Flycatcher wrote:
> > Sounds like a good idea! Anyone fancy one at Harelaw?
>
> Well, that'd be different anyway.
>
> We are thoroughly spoiled on this side of the pond. I
> just can't imagine fishing for stocked fish in a great
> big fish bowl. And Harelaw was voted 5th best trout
> fishery in Scotland ? That's ... well, hell I don't
> know what that is except I won't be planning any fishing
> vacations to Scotland anytime soon.
>
> Instead of a Scotland 'Clave you should consider coming
> over here for a 'Clave. We've pretty much settled into
> a spring 'Clave in Pennsylvania, a summer 'Clave in
> Montana, a fall 'Clave in North Carolina and a winter
> 'Clave on the San Juan in New Mexico along with a few
> others on the east coast and in the midwest. We have
> had at least a couple of European 'Claves that I know
> of but the Euro roffians seem to have gone underground
> lately.
>
> --
> Ken Fortenberry

[Ken Fortenberry]

Flycatcher wrote:
> Just to get the facts completely straight Ken, Yes we do stock trout.
> <snip>
> I'm sorry you won't be bothered to drop by. You will miss the banter of
> more generously spirited souls.

Nothing wrong with my spirited soul, I just can't see
fishing for phony fish in a phony lake. But hey, if
that's all you got and you're happy with it, knock
yourself out. You guys fish for Atlantic salmon too,
right ? Real fish in real streams, now that's something
I'd travel to Scotland for.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Daniel-San]

"Flycatcher" wrote ...
> Well, looking through various posts, it seems that some of you folk do
like
> to fly to your destinations. Maybe someone could pick up some hitchers
and
> then sort of divert to Prestwick? After all, if you can do interstate
> fishing why limit yourselves!
>
> ;-)
>


Other than the financial aspects of trans-atlantic flight, the real
'limit'-ing factor is my irrational, yet very paralyzing fear of
trans-oceanic flight. I know all about the physics of flight (well, not ALL
I s'pose, but enough), but somehow, Mr. Bernoulli doesnt give me much
comfort at 35K feet in what amounts to a giant aerosol can built by the
lowest bidder.

SWMBO keeps trying to get me to go to the UK for a vacation (err,
'holiday'). She's gone so far as to have her dad (an MD) prescribe large
doses of valium. Sorry, ain't happening.

Dan
Who drinks heavily on short flights.

[Flycatcher]

Re. the salmon, that's very true! I'm currently within 10 miles of 4 major
salmon rivers - and planning to take full advantage of the next 2 months to
try and catch one myself - I've only been about 7 times in the last 10 years
(I only moved here recently) and blanked every time. First trip planned for
the end of September.

Quite a few of the anglers that visit Harelaw are avid salmon fishers. One
of the guys has invited me on to a stretch of the Leven - I wouldn't have
had a chance of getting on there had it not been for him as its a "members
and and their guests only" stretch. The other weekends I'll be going for
more public stretches of the Ayr, Leven, Irvine and Garnock.

Other anglers here include members of the Scottish fly fishing team - now
they wouldn't choose a mere puddle with such a wide variety of venues
available to them. However, you obviously know better than I on the subject
so I'll leave it there.

Tight lines!

John




"Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in message
.. .
> Flycatcher wrote:
> > Just to get the facts completely straight Ken, Yes we do stock trout.
> > <snip>
> > I'm sorry you won't be bothered to drop by. You will miss the banter of
> > more generously spirited souls.
>
> Nothing wrong with my spirited soul, I just can't see
> fishing for phony fish in a phony lake. But hey, if
> that's all you got and you're happy with it, knock
> yourself out. You guys fish for Atlantic salmon too,
> right ? Real fish in real streams, now that's something
> I'd travel to Scotland for.
>
> --
> Ken Fortenberry

[Flycatcher]

Ok, in that case I'll send Brian over in one of our boats for you then!

"Flycatcher" > wrote in message
...
> Well, looking through various posts, it seems that some of you folk do
like
> to fly to your destinations. Maybe someone could pick up some hitchers
and
> then sort of divert to Prestwick? After all, if you can do interstate
> fishing why limit yourselves!
>
> ;-)
>
>
> "Daniel-San" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >
> > "Flycatcher" wrote
> >
> > > Sounds like a good idea! Anyone fancy one at Harelaw?
> > >
> >
> > Figure out a way to transport the Harelaw Fishery from Scotland to about
a
> > day's drive from Chicago, and I'm in.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Ken Fortenberry]

Flycatcher wrote:
> <snip>
> Other anglers here include members of the Scottish fly fishing team - now
> they wouldn't choose a mere puddle with such a wide variety of venues
> available to them. However, you obviously know better than I on the subject
> so I'll leave it there.

All I know is what I read on the Harelaw website. The
fishery is a 102 acre shallow reservoir built in 1844
and stocked with fish from 1.5 to 10 lbs.

I wouldn't fish there if the other anglers were the
Swedish Bikini Team and Harelaw's paid *me*.

And you're top-posting, that's bad form.

Cheerio.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Harelug]

Actually John, the largest Brown trout (WILD) was 15 Lbs 04 oz caught in
1974 on a 'green arsed, Green Peter' unhooked by myself. The year before I
landed an 11 Lbs 04 oz Wild Brown Trout on a size 10 Soldier Palmer.
Regards
Brian.
Visit Harelaw Trout Fishery
Http://www.harelaw.net


--
Visit Harelaw Trout Fishery
Http://www.harelaw.net
"Flycatcher" > wrote in message
...
> Just to get the facts completely straight Ken, Yes we do stock trout.
> However the Brownies are completely indigenous and run to some good
sizes -
> 10lbs plus.
>
> We see the advantage of the stockies being that its good for the
youngsters
> and less proficient anglers to still have great sport. The truly big
> specimens are either completely wild or in the case of the stocked
specimens
> they have developed a wariness commensurate with that size as most of our
> stock fish are less than 2lbs in weight .
>
> I'm sorry you won't be bothered to drop by. You will miss the banter of
> more generously spirited souls.
>
> John
>
>
>
> "Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Flycatcher wrote:
> > > Sounds like a good idea! Anyone fancy one at Harelaw?
> >
> > Well, that'd be different anyway.
> >
> > We are thoroughly spoiled on this side of the pond. I
> > just can't imagine fishing for stocked fish in a great
> > big fish bowl. And Harelaw was voted 5th best trout
> > fishery in Scotland ? That's ... well, hell I don't
> > know what that is except I won't be planning any fishing
> > vacations to Scotland anytime soon.
> >
> > Instead of a Scotland 'Clave you should consider coming
> > over here for a 'Clave. We've pretty much settled into
> > a spring 'Clave in Pennsylvania, a summer 'Clave in
> > Montana, a fall 'Clave in North Carolina and a winter
> > 'Clave on the San Juan in New Mexico along with a few
> > others on the east coast and in the midwest. We have
> > had at least a couple of European 'Claves that I know
> > of but the Euro roffians seem to have gone underground
> > lately.
> >
> > --
> > Ken Fortenberry
>
>

[Thomas Littleton]

> "Flycatcher" > wrote in message....
> > Just to get the facts completely straight Ken, Yes we do stock trout.
> > However the Brownies are completely indigenous and run to some good
> sizes -
> > 10lbs plus.
> >
> > We see the advantage of the stockies being that its good for the
> youngsters
> > and less proficient anglers to still have great sport. The truly big
> > specimens are either completely wild or in the case of the stocked
> specimens
> > they have developed a wariness commensurate with that size as most of
our
> > stock fish are less than 2lbs in weight .
> >
> > I'm sorry you won't be bothered to drop by. You will miss the banter of
> > more generously spirited souls.
> >
> > John

I am sure the fishing, surroundings and people are wonderful. Still, one
hardly needs to pay airfare to enjoy the banter of more generously spirited
souls than Ken..........<g>

.....that was entirely too easy, Tom

[Ken Fortenberry]

Thomas Littleton wrote:
>
> ... Still, one
> hardly needs to pay airfare to enjoy the banter of more generously spirited
> souls than Ken..........<g>
>
> .....that was entirely too easy, Tom

When roff's own bug-eyed ****wit takes the time
to weigh in with an insult I know I must be doin'
something right.

And for the top-posters from Harelaw, don't take
any of this personally, I wouldn't pay, or be paid,
to fish *any* 102 acre stocked fishbowl, not just
Harelaw.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Cyli]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:08:10 +0100, "Flycatcher" >
wrote:

>"> Yeah, but the public can walk right in. Eventually, they, too, can be
>> part of the private party. If they care to, after observing it... :)"
>
>I see! - not sure if I want to do too much politics though . Life's too
>short and there's enough crap out there without the need for me to go
>looking for/creating ill feeling here as well (imho).

You don't even have to read the political threads, much less
participate in them. Killfile the whole thread once you realize where
it's headed.
>
>re. starting off spinning, ditto - I used to take hundreds of trout (quite
>literally - 117 on one occasion!)on a little black and gold abu toby. I
>created a fly based upon it, but Brian (the fishery owner)wouldn't let me
>use it :-
>
>http://www.harelaw.net/johnstobyfly.htm .
>
>I'm not sure it would have casted too well anyway.

Snicker. You'd probably want to use a bait chucker with that thing.
How big is it?
>
>By the way, what's a clave?

Conclave. Meet people, drive around, fish various spots. Camping or
hoteling / moteling. Evening gatherings where people talk about their
day. The two biggest are the Penn's Creek one in May and the out west
one in June or July. There are some small ones and people just
meeting up to fish for a day. I think the biggest one I attended
(from this group, the Wisconsin Fly Fishing Board has them, too) was
about 5, though I picked up a stranger in the campground who joined us
for a day. There's nothing like a rod with a fly line leaning against
your picnic table to attract any other fly fishermen around.


Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: (strip the .invalid to email)

[Dave LaCourse]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 03:05:37 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
> wrote:

>And for the top-posters from Harelaw, don't take
>any of this personally, I wouldn't pay, or be paid,
>to fish *any* 102 acre stocked fishbowl, not just
>Harelaw.

About 15 years ago I joined a "fly fishing club" in the nearby town of
Shrewsbury. The dues was only $100 a year and only 50 people were
members. There was three ponds all heavily stocked with rainbows,
browns, brookies, *and* coho (silver) salmon. You could toss just
about anything at these fish and they would hit it.

The day I caught 100 pounds of brook trout in a little over an hour, I
resigned. I believe the term "shooting fish in a barrel" originated
at this "club". Thanks, but no thanks. There was little spirit of
flyfishing. It was like hitting a homerun everytime you're at bat
playing against 10 year olds.

Dave

[Wolfgang]

"Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in message
.. .
> Flycatcher wrote:
>> <snip> Other anglers here include members of the Scottish fly fishing
>> team - now
>> they wouldn't choose a mere puddle with such a wide variety of venues
>> available to them. However, you obviously know better than I on the
>> subject
>> so I'll leave it there.
>
> All I know is what I read on the Harelaw website. The
> fishery is a 102 acre shallow reservoir built in 1844
> and stocked with fish from 1.5 to 10 lbs.
>
> I wouldn't fish there if the other anglers were the
> Swedish Bikini Team and Harelaw's paid *me*.
>
> And you're top-posting, that's bad form.
>
> Cheerio.
>
> --
> Ken Fortenberry

"There's nothing I can do about top-posting, so anymore I ignore it."

Wolfgang
with a nod to whoever it was that created archives.