Where do YOU stand?

[riverman]

....or as Pres Bush says: if you don't stand for anything, you don't
stand for ANYTHING!

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html


--riverman
(left-leaning libertarian centrist)

[George Cleveland]

On 2 Oct 2005 06:26:33 -0700, "riverman" > wrote:

>...or as Pres Bush says: if you don't stand for anything, you don't
>stand for ANYTHING!
>
>http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
>
>
>--riverman
>(left-leaning libertarian centrist)

I'm a liberal. (There's a surprise).

g.c.

[angler]

Not that we use the liberal or conservative labels on our
politicians/voters in Sweden, but still tried the questionary to see
where I'd fit in that description.

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 60%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 40%

/Roger
More liberal than conservative it seems

[Tim J.]

riverman wrote:
> ...or as Pres Bush says: if you don't stand for anything, you don't
> stand for ANYTHING!
>
> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
>
> --riverman
> (left-leaning libertarian centrist)

My score place me near the border of conservative/centrist/libertarian,
but I could have told you that before taking the test.
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

[George Cleveland]

On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:13:51 -0400, "Tim J."
> wrote:

>riverman wrote:
>> ...or as Pres Bush says: if you don't stand for anything, you don't
>> stand for ANYTHING!
>>
>> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
>>
>> --riverman
>> (left-leaning libertarian centrist)
>
>My score place me near the border of conservative/centrist/libertarian,
>but I could have told you that before taking the test.


I don't think many people will be surprised (nor taken aback) by what
the quiz "tells" them about themselves.

g.c.

[Wolfgang]

"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:13:51 -0400, "Tim J."
> > wrote:
>
>>riverman wrote:
>>> ...or as Pres Bush says: if you don't stand for anything, you don't
>>> stand for ANYTHING!
>>>
>>> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
>>>
>>> --riverman
>>> (left-leaning libertarian centrist)
>>
>>My score place me near the border of conservative/centrist/libertarian,
>>but I could have told you that before taking the test.
>
>
> I don't think many people will be surprised (nor taken aback) by what
> the quiz "tells" them about themselves.
>
> g.c.

Anarchist.

Declined to take the quiz.

Wolfgang
no surprise. :)

[David]

riverman wrote:
> ...or as Pres Bush says: if you don't stand for anything, you don't
> stand for ANYTHING!
>
> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
>
>
> --riverman
> (left-leaning libertarian centrist)

Where do I stand? Why after surviving four years in Vietnam in the
military and as a civilian,etc, etc etc but you are not interested in
that, I STAND for NOT posting political or ideological bull**** on a
group ostensibly dedicated to flyfishing! CLEAR?

David Napierkowski

[Ken Fortenberry]

David wrote:
> riverman wrote:
>> <snip>
>>(left-leaning libertarian centrist)
>
> Where do I stand? Why after surviving four years in Vietnam in the
> military and as a civilian,etc, etc etc but you are not interested in
> that, I STAND for NOT posting political or ideological bull**** on a
> group ostensibly dedicated to flyfishing! CLEAR?
>
> David Napierkowski

As good an illustration as you'll ever see of what can
happen when you mix too much coffee with too little clue.

--
Ken Fortenberry - liberal, of course

[riverman]

NAHAY?

--riverman

[riverman]

That's what I find interesting. That in 10 quick questions, we can
assess someones entire complex political leaning fairly accurately.
Somehow I suspect that we are not that complex or unique as we like to
think. Either that, or we accept labels rather easily.

--riverman

[Wolfgang]

"David" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> riverman wrote:
>> ...or as Pres Bush says: if you don't stand for anything, you don't
>> stand for ANYTHING!
>>
>> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
>>
>>
>> --riverman
>> (left-leaning libertarian centrist)
>
> Where do I stand? Why after surviving four years in Vietnam in the
> military and as a civilian,etc, etc etc but you are not interested in
> that, I STAND for NOT posting political or ideological bull**** on a
> group ostensibly dedicated to flyfishing! CLEAR?
>
> David Napierkowski

You make take as an unchallenged fact that everyone here has survived
for.....oh, gosh......well, right up to today. And no one is likely to care
much whether you stand up or sit on your thumb and rotate.

Clear, sweetheart? :)

Wolfgang
and please DO remember to wash your hands before returning to the workplace.

[David]

>
> As good an illustration as you'll ever see of what can
> happen when you mix too much coffee with too little clue.
>
> --
> Ken Fortenberry - liberal, of course

No. It is as good an illustration of assholes corrupting an ostensibly
nonpolitical non-ideological group with politically oriented, somewhat
biased bull****. You folks may be bored with fly fishing as it seems
that 80 percent of the recent posts here have been of a political --
ideological orientation. Seemingly, you few and it is only a few, lack
the intellectual discipline to post this drivel that you would like to
see pass of deep insightful humanitarian concern, to a group that is
designed for this crap?

This may stun you but I joined this group to read about fly fishing,
and not read college freshmanisque ideological hand wringing inanities.
It does not really matter much though. I seldom read this group these
days.

Why do you feel it necessary to clog up the airways here with this
crap? Don't answer. You are bored and you are boring. I don't really
care what your political orientation happens to be. You fly fish as do
I. That is the reason I am here; not to listen to sophomoric hand
wringing on how evil someone of a different political orientation
happens to be or not be.

And sure anyone who dares disagree with the few rather vocal self
anointed political/ideological pundits here is sure to be ridiculed.
Big deal. It may be time to grow up Sir and try to act a responsible,
well balanced adult. Sorry. Too late right? That window closed on
you what ten - fifteen years ago? :-)

A Liberal? Who the hell cares? But as long as you are happy. I;m sure
the fish care a lot. ;-)

David Napierkowski
Probably a Libertarian.

[David]

>
> Clear, sweetheart? :)
>
> Wolfgang
> and please DO remember to wash your hands before returning to the workplace.

:-) Typical. But yes quite clear thank you. Another heroic nimrod of
cyber rises us to smash the upstart dissenter into the dirt with a
witty innuendo attacking character, implicit intelligence, education
and profession -- and all with knowing absolutely nbothing about that
person other than he happens to disagree with you? LOL ROF.

Grow up sonny. Sorry. It seems from the preceding, that window closed
on you some time ago.

David Napierkowski

[Wolfgang]

"riverman" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> That's what I find interesting. That in 10 quick questions, we can
> assess someones entire complex political leaning fairly accurately.

I did it in less than one! :)

> Somehow I suspect that we are not that complex or unique as we like to
> think. Either that, or we accept labels rather easily.

Mostly, we're willing enough to choose from among a highly restricted set of
options for ease of group identification. But even a cursory glance at
intra-group dynamics reveals that all bets are off at that level.

To put it another way, we take the path of least resistance in
distinguishing between "us" and "them" at macro levels. Descending the
scale, we find that we take ever greater pains in differentiation en route
to the distinction between "me" (good) and "you" (bad).

Wolfgang
who, frankly, sees little of value in all those bothersome intermediary
steps. :)

[Wolfgang]

"David" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
>>
>> Clear, sweetheart? :)
>>
>> Wolfgang
>> and please DO remember to wash your hands before returning to the
>> workplace.
>
> :-) Typical. But yes quite clear thank you.

You're welcome.

> Another heroic nimrod of
> cyber rises us to smash the upstart dissenter into the dirt with a
> witty innuendo attacking character, implicit intelligence, education
> and profession -- and all with knowing absolutely nbothing about that
> person other than he happens to disagree with you?

While, conversely, yet another heroic baby burner rises up to dictate the
one true mission of a usenet group that has somehow limped along quite
nicely, thank you very much, for years without his assistance, while
simultaneously deducing a great deal not only about the character of, but
also about the level of knowledge about himself held by someone who
might......maybe.....disagree with him?

> LOL ROF.

KMAIAd

> Grow up sonny.

SIR, YES SIR! SIR, IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN, SIR!

> Sorry. It seems from the preceding, that window closed
> on you some time ago.

Hee, hee, hee. :)

Wolfgang
who sincerely hopes that nobody gets too eager with the net this time.

[riverman]

<No. It is as good an illustration of assholes corrupting an ostensibly

nonpolitical non-ideological group with politically oriented, somewhat
biased bull****.>

I see your problem. Somewhere, did you get the idea that this was an
ostensibly nonpolitical non-idealogical group?

<You folks may be bored with fly fishing as it seems
that 80 percent of the recent posts here have been of a political --
ideological orientation.>

See? With 80% of the posts being political-idealogical, where did you
get the idea that this is an ostensibly nonpolitical non-idealogical
group?

<Seemingly, you few and it is only a few, lack
the intellectual discipline to post this drivel that you would like to
see pass of deep insightful humanitarian concern, to a group that is
designed for this crap?>

I can't follow that sentence. Do you mean to say:
"Seemingly, you few (and it is only a few) lack the intellectual
discipline to NOT post this drivel that you would like to see pass AS
insightful humanitarian concern, to a group that is NOT designed for
this crap?"? All those dropped negatives threw me.

If so, then I don't get the question mark at the end...it doesn't
really seem to be a question; just some drivel that someone would like
to see pass as insightful humanitarian concerns, posted to a group that
is supposedly not designed for this crap.

<This may stun you but I joined this group to read about fly fishing,
and not read college freshmanisque ideological hand wringing
inanities.>

Well, I got some good news and some bad news.

<It does not really matter much though. I seldom read this group these
days.>

And this could be one or the other.... The 'fresmanisque' reference is
noted, btw.

<Why do you feel it necessary to clog up the airways here with this
crap? Don't answer. You are bored and you are boring. I don't really
care what your political orientation happens to be. You fly fish as do

I. That is the reason I am here; not to listen to sophomoric hand
wringing on how evil someone of a different political orientation
happens to be or not be.>

OK, now its 'sophomoric' hand-wringing. Other than the quick year of
college, I didn't see any hand-wringing until your post. And no one
called anyone names until, well, you know..

<And sure anyone who dares disagree with the few rather vocal self
anointed political/ideological pundits here is sure to be ridiculed.>

Well, seems so, doesn't it? Being both freshmanisque and sophomoric at
once, I hardly know what to say. And never discount the possiblity that
some people here might *thrive* on ridicule.

<Big deal. It may be time to grow up Sir and try to act a responsible,

well balanced adult. Sorry. Too late right? That window closed on
you what ten - fifteen years ago?>

So, somewhere it is written that responsible, well balanced adults do
not discuss politics or policial orientations? Or is it that well
balanced adults do not post OT posts on newsgroups? Or distribute or
accept ridicule?


A Liberal? Who the hell cares? But as long as you are happy. I;m sure
the fish care a lot. ;-)


David Napierkowski
Probably a Libertarian.

<g> Sounds it. Welcome to the nuthouse.

--riverman

[Tim J.]

David wrote:
> riverman wrote:
>> ...or as Pres Bush says: if you don't stand for anything, you don't
>> stand for ANYTHING!
>>
>> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
>>
>> --riverman
>> (left-leaning libertarian centrist)
>
> Where do I stand? Why after surviving four years in Vietnam in the
> military and as a civilian,etc, etc etc but you are not interested in
> that, I STAND for NOT posting political or ideological bull**** on a
> group ostensibly dedicated to flyfishing! CLEAR?

What does this have to do with fishing?
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

[Ken Fortenberry]

David wrote:
>
> No. It is as good an illustration of assholes corrupting an ostensibly
> nonpolitical non-ideological group with politically oriented, somewhat
> biased bull****. ...

Here's a clue for you, and I'll waive the usual fee, if you
want to discuss fly fishing post something about fly fishing.
If all you want to do is whine and bitch and complain about
other folks posts you'll be dismissed as a clueless ****wit.

> David Napierkowski
> Probably a Libertarian.

OK, so you are a clueless ****wit. So there ya go, sometimes
first impressions are spot on.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Larry L]

"David" > wrote

on a
> group ostensibly dedicated to flyfishing! CLEAR?
>


Where's that TR of your latest fishing day, Dave? Lead by example.

The bitching makes you look like a perfect candidate for long term here on
ROFF. Indeed, in what is, I think, your first posted thread, you have
spent a lot of bandwidth ranting in a most ROFFian, i.e. angry but ill
informed, way. I see a great future for you here.

[Larry L]

centrist ... no surprise there <g>

[Mike Connor]

"riverman" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
oups.com...
> ...or as Pres Bush says: if you don't stand for anything, you don't
> stand for ANYTHING!
>
> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
>
>
> --riverman
> (left-leaning libertarian centrist)
>

Prefer to sit, may ocasionally stand in order to offer my seat to a lady.

TL
MC

[Stan Gula]

David wrote:
> No. It is as good an illustration of assholes corrupting an ostensibly
> nonpolitical non-ideological group with politically oriented, somewhat
> biased bull****.

And on, and on, and on.

Thanks for the useful flyfishing info.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

[Stan Gula]

Tim J. wrote:
> My score place me near the border of
> conservative/centrist/libertarian, but I could have told you that
> before taking the test.

Left edge of Centrist, but you already knew that, right Tim? If they had
thrown in a few religious issues I would have been a lot more radical (and
you knew that too<g>).
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

[Wayne Harrison]

"riverman" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> ...or as Pres Bush says: if you don't stand for anything, you don't
> stand for ANYTHING!
>
> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
>
>
> --riverman
> (left-leaning libertarian centrist)

me too, myron.

yfitons
wayno
>

[jbthwart77]

David wrote:
riverman wrote:
...or as Pres Bush says: if you don't stand for anything, you don't
stand for ANYTHING!

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

--riverman
(left-leaning libertarian centrist)

Where do I stand? Why after surviving four years in Vietnam in the
military and as a civilian,etc, etc etc but you are not interested in
that, I STAND for NOT posting political or ideological bull**** on a
group ostensibly dedicated to flyfishing! CLEAR?

What does this have to do with fishing?
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/
Right on TimJ
sounds like a bunch of wealthy, miserable, VeryUnhappy oldschool, Nothin to do but bitch about Me Me Me and Mymy, my, and poor mistreated MMee,MMee and I old Farts
They sure talk Big and How much you wanna bet theybelong to Racist orgs.
wait, can they spell words that big and uselless????
Ya sound like a bunch of school yard Bullies what good does it do to sit around and bitch and moan and grown about somethin you aint got no control over
They must have Grown up somewhere where someone taught Violence
and without Love.
It reminds me of the war thats goin on right now You Guys Have been Mad about things for so long you dont even know what your mad about anymore
Now all you can do is have Stupid-ss Spelling Bees to see who thinks they are the most Intellegent in your case.
Trust me, you just aint got nothin in life to look forward to except
your own miserable cofeepot and to make other real people miserable withyour I I I , Me me,me me me crap.
Pardon me for jumpin in here, but you guys evidently try to scare eachother and don't realize that this is a Fly Fishing Forum or are you really just enjoying upsetting people of a different breed. you sound like you need to get your Panties out of a Bunch Does anyone agree that these badasses ought to visit a local charity instead of all the memememememe's,and IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIiiii's ??

[Peter Charles]

On 2 Oct 2005 08:06:39 -0700, "riverman" > wrote:

>That's what I find interesting. That in 10 quick questions, we can
>assess someones entire complex political leaning fairly accurately.
>Somehow I suspect that we are not that complex or unique as we like to
>think. Either that, or we accept labels rather easily.
>
>--riverman


Their definitions are **** -- Liberal as in classic Liberal,
neo-Liberal, UK LIberal, Canadian Liberal or what? Conservative or
neo-conservative (neo-liberal anywhere else)? What happened to
Socialist, Communist, Marxist,. Marxist-Leninist, Trotskist? How
about Facist or Nazi? Plain old Authoritarian or Totalitarian?

Methinks the designers of this little quiz needs to broaden their
horizons.

Peter

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[Ken Fortenberry]

Peter Charles wrote:
> "riverman" > wrote:
>>That's what I find interesting. That in 10 quick questions, we can
>>assess someones entire complex political leaning fairly accurately.
>>Somehow I suspect that we are not that complex or unique as we like to
>>think. Either that, or we accept labels rather easily.
>
> Their definitions are **** -- Liberal as in classic Liberal,
> neo-Liberal, UK LIberal, Canadian Liberal or what? Conservative or
> neo-conservative (neo-liberal anywhere else)? What happened to
> Socialist, Communist, Marxist,. Marxist-Leninist, Trotskist? How
> about Facist or Nazi? Plain old Authoritarian or Totalitarian?
>
> Methinks the designers of this little quiz needs to broaden their
> horizons.

The "quiz" was designed by Libertarians and its purpose
was/is to convince people that really, deep down we're
all Libertarians. It's a crock of ****, always has been.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Peter Charles]

On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:21:29 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
> wrote:

>Peter Charles wrote:
>> "riverman" > wrote:
>>>That's what I find interesting. That in 10 quick questions, we can
>>>assess someones entire complex political leaning fairly accurately.
>>>Somehow I suspect that we are not that complex or unique as we like to
>>>think. Either that, or we accept labels rather easily.
>>
>> Their definitions are **** -- Liberal as in classic Liberal,
>> neo-Liberal, UK LIberal, Canadian Liberal or what? Conservative or
>> neo-conservative (neo-liberal anywhere else)? What happened to
>> Socialist, Communist, Marxist,. Marxist-Leninist, Trotskist? How
>> about Facist or Nazi? Plain old Authoritarian or Totalitarian?
>>
>> Methinks the designers of this little quiz needs to broaden their
>> horizons.
>
>The "quiz" was designed by Libertarians and its purpose
>was/is to convince people that really, deep down we're
>all Libertarians. It's a crock of ****, always has been.


Had to be a hook somewhere . . . .

Peter

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[angler]

You know Myron,

I've seen the likes of these tests before, and as I know you're a smart
guy I think you realize that the manner in which these questions are
asked will be reflected in the overall result.
A really good psychiatrist (Is that how it's spelled? Damn, I don't
know if that's even the word I'm looking for.) could probably rewrite
the questions to get another answer allthough the substance of the quiz
would still be the same.
Some of those questions are leading you to the "correct" answer rather
than the "incorrect" which leads me to suspect that the questioner has
an opinion. I would say that the quiz seems to be a little biased.
Anyway, you might not agree (Which by the way is what a lot of people
don't get about Usenet. Your not supposed to agree, instead pick up on
the discussion rather than throwing **** at each other.)
The strangest part is that we usually fall for these little traps. I
should think it quite common to do so, even on ROFF (where I suspect
most people are above, even in some cases way above, normal
intelligence quota).

It is the intellectual property of this group that probably makes for
such a good breeding ground for all kinds of hostility. I saw David's
thinking that the only subject on this group should be fly fishing, and
disagree. Such a group would certainly die out rather quickly, however
great an interest/hobby fly fishing is (We are after all only humans,
and do need more diversity). On the other hand I reflected on the fact
that he is probably right in thinking the group is full of BS, not
understanding that this fact is something you definitely have to
accept, or else stop reading.

I'm babbling, I know! My only excuse is that I'm not an English native,
and as such it takes time to express what I want to say in this
language of yours.

/Roger

[Tim J.]

Stan Gula wrote:
> Tim J. wrote:
>> My score place me near the border of
>> conservative/centrist/libertarian, but I could have told you that
>> before taking the test.
>
> Left edge of Centrist, but you already knew that, right Tim?

Yep - spot on.

> If they
> had thrown in a few religious issues I would have been a lot more
> radical (and you knew that too<g>).

Yep - you're going to burn in hell (but you already knew that.) ;-)
Speaking of making you burn in hell, how's it going with the DDFS
photos?
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

[Stan Gula]

Tim J. wrote:
> Speaking of making you burn in hell, how's it going with the DDFS
> photos?

You were right about them being overxposed. I'm trying to salvage a few
right now.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

[[email protected]]

On 2 Oct 2005 07:32:58 -0700, "David" > wrote:

>
>riverman wrote:
>> ...or as Pres Bush says: if you don't stand for anything, you don't
>> stand for ANYTHING!
>>
>> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
>>
>>
>> --riverman
>> (left-leaning libertarian centrist)
>
>Where do I stand? Why after surviving four years in Vietnam in the
>military and as a civilian,etc, etc etc but you are not interested in
>that, I STAND for NOT posting political or ideological bull**** on a
>group ostensibly dedicated to flyfishing! CLEAR?


>David Napierkowski

Um, excuse me, General Nappie, but shouldn't that be "...four years in
the 'nam?" Of course, according to the quiz, I'm slightly-right-no-
no-too-far-a-little-to-the-left-no-back-a-smidge-to-the-right-now-down-
a-bit-no-no-too-far-now-up-an-inch-on-second-thought-move-it-back-wing
....oh, wait, that wasn't the quiz, that was my SO when "we" were moving
a large couch...

[[email protected]]

What I find interesting is that anyone would believe that these 10
fairly ambiguous questions could really determine anyone's political
beliefs. The "test" is bull****....I didn't take it either.

[Cyli]

On 2 Oct 2005 06:26:33 -0700, "riverman" > wrote:

>...or as Pres Bush says: if you don't stand for anything, you don't
>stand for ANYTHING!
>
>http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
>
>
>--riverman
>(left-leaning libertarian centrist)


Exactly on 3 borders. Liberal, Libertarian, Centrist. I think it was
the 80 % on personal issues that got me that result.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: (strip the .invalid to email)

[Cyli]

On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:21:29 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
> wrote:

>Peter Charles wrote:
>> "riverman" > wrote:
>>>That's what I find interesting. That in 10 quick questions, we can
>>>assess someones entire complex political leaning fairly accurately.
>>>Somehow I suspect that we are not that complex or unique as we like to
>>>think. Either that, or we accept labels rather easily.
>>
>> Their definitions are **** -- Liberal as in classic Liberal,
>> neo-Liberal, UK LIberal, Canadian Liberal or what? Conservative or
>> neo-conservative (neo-liberal anywhere else)? What happened to
>> Socialist, Communist, Marxist,. Marxist-Leninist, Trotskist? How
>> about Facist or Nazi? Plain old Authoritarian or Totalitarian?
>>
>> Methinks the designers of this little quiz needs to broaden their
>> horizons.
>
>The "quiz" was designed by Libertarians and its purpose
>was/is to convince people that really, deep down we're
>all Libertarians. It's a crock of ****, always has been.


That's pretty much what I figured when I noticed that the page is a
Libertarian web page. I think any way most people take it, they're
going to have Libertarian somewhere near their final score. I haven't
bothered to retake it enough to see the biases, but it's a fair bet
they're there. Mostly in the careful choosing of the questions.

However, I like their policies on personal liberties, so when I can't
find a candidate I like for any position, I ink their party nominee
in. I also do that to indicate my feelings about the major parties
not having acceptable candidates.



Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: (strip the .invalid to email)

[Cyli]

On 2 Oct 2005 08:23:45 -0700, "David" > wrote:

>
>
>>
>> As good an illustration as you'll ever see of what can
>> happen when you mix too much coffee with too little clue.
>>
>> --
>> Ken Fortenberry - liberal, of course
>
>No. It is as good an illustration of assholes corrupting an ostensibly
>nonpolitical non-ideological group with politically oriented, somewhat
>biased bull****. You folks may be bored with fly fishing as it seems
>that 80 percent of the recent posts here have been of a political --
>ideological orientation. Seemingly, you few and it is only a few, lack
>the intellectual discipline to post this drivel that you would like to
>see pass of deep insightful humanitarian concern, to a group that is
>designed for this crap?
>
>This may stun you but I joined this group to read about fly fishing,
>and not read college freshmanisque ideological hand wringing inanities.
> It does not really matter much though. I seldom read this group these
>days.
>
>Why do you feel it necessary to clog up the airways here with this
>crap? Don't answer. You are bored and you are boring. I don't really
>care what your political orientation happens to be. You fly fish as do
>I. That is the reason I am here; not to listen to sophomoric hand
>wringing on how evil someone of a different political orientation
>happens to be or not be.
>
>And sure anyone who dares disagree with the few rather vocal self
>anointed political/ideological pundits here is sure to be ridiculed.
>Big deal. It may be time to grow up Sir and try to act a responsible,
>well balanced adult. Sorry. Too late right? That window closed on
>you what ten - fifteen years ago? :-)
>
>A Liberal? Who the hell cares? But as long as you are happy. I;m sure
>the fish care a lot. ;-)
>
>David Napierkowski
>Probably a Libertarian.


Killfiles. Learn them. Love them. Use them. The minute you notice
a thread will irritate you, kill the whole thread. I have newsgroups
where the majority of the threads are killfiled and I happily read the
rest, unburdened by what I regard as whackos, rabid politicos, and
idiots with single minded crusades.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: (strip the .invalid to email)

[Cyli]

On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:07:17 +0000, jbthwart77
> wrote:

(snipped)

>Pardon me for jumpin in here, but you guys evidently try to scare
>eachother and don't realize that this is a Fly Fishing Forum

Um, it's actually an unmoderated newsgroup, not a forum. Yes, it
would be nice if we talked more about flyfishing. However, I haven't
seen you posting anything about it, or have I missed your username?

>or are
>you really just enjoying upsetting people of a different breed.

Some here greatly enjoy upsetting a few others, true, but we'd all
prefer to be teaching fish not to bite on funny things or learning
from fish how to imitate things they like to bite on.

>you
>sound like you need to get your Panties out of a Bunch

We go commando here until we discover Depends. No bunches.

>Does anyone
>agree that these badasses ought to visit a local charity instead of all
>the memememememe's,and IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIiiii's ??



Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: (strip the .invalid to email)

[Conan The Librarian]

wrote:

> What I find interesting is that anyone would believe that these 10
> fairly ambiguous questions could really determine anyone's political
> beliefs. The "test" is bull****....I didn't take it either.

I didn't find it ambiguous at all. My problem with it is that it
left no room for shades of gray. I found myself answering each question
with a "well, yes, but ...".


Chuck Vance

[Tim J.]

Cyli wrote:
<snip>
> We go commando here until we discover Depends. No bunches.

Concise, yet to the point. ;-) Gawd, this sums up roff in a nutshell.
Unfortunately, some of those who have discovered Depends relish that
nice, warm glow.
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

[Scott Seidman]

jbthwart77 > wrote in
:

> Pardon me for jumpin in here, but you guys evidently try to scare
> eachother and don't realize that this is a Fly Fishing Forum or are
> you really just enjoying upsetting people of a different breed.

Like it or not, the history of this group is a little bit off your goals
for this group.

By mutual consent of those who have been participating for 10 years or
so, any topic likely to come up during a fly fishing outing is fair game
here.

Check out http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/ROFF/ for some details.

This is the way this group has been for ten years. If you don't like it,
you can a) try to change it, or b) go participate in some of the dozens
of other flyfishing discussion groups. One or two will surely be to your
liking.

If you opt for "a", we're all waiting to see your stellar contributions.
("Stellar", by the way, means "outstanding; like a star"). Of course, if
this is the route you take, be aware that those who have actively
contributed for a decade might draw the opinion that you haven't earned
the right to say word one about what goes on here.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

[George Cleveland]

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 07:18:42 -0500, Conan The Librarian
> wrote:

wrote:
>
>> What I find interesting is that anyone would believe that these 10
>> fairly ambiguous questions could really determine anyone's political
>> beliefs. The "test" is bull****....I didn't take it either.
>
> I didn't find it ambiguous at all. My problem with it is that it
>left no room for shades of gray. I found myself answering each question
>with a "well, yes, but ...".
>
>
> Chuck Vance

Yep. For example, the question on personal use of drugs. In general I
believe that what a person does with their body is their business but
what if we're talking about a drug like PCP which causes such
psychological and neurological damage that the user becomes a danger
to others around him?

g.c.

[Tom Nakashima]

"Scott Seidman" > wrote in message
. 1.4...
> jbthwart77 > wrote in
> :
>
>> Pardon me for jumpin in here, but you guys evidently try to scare
>> eachother and don't realize that this is a Fly Fishing Forum or are
>> you really just enjoying upsetting people of a different breed.
>
> Like it or not, the history of this group is a little bit off your goals
> for this group.
>
> By mutual consent of those who have been participating for 10 years or
> so, any topic likely to come up during a fly fishing outing is fair game
> here.
>
> Check out http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/ROFF/ for some details.
>
> This is the way this group has been for ten years. If you don't like it,
> you can a) try to change it, or b) go participate in some of the dozens
> of other flyfishing discussion groups. One or two will surely be to your
> liking.
>
> If you opt for "a", we're all waiting to see your stellar contributions.
> ("Stellar", by the way, means "outstanding; like a star"). Of course, if
> this is the route you take, be aware that those who have actively
> contributed for a decade might draw the opinion that you haven't earned
> the right to say word one about what goes on here.
>
> --
> Scott
> Reverse name to reply
>

Scott,
I found it best to extract only what you want from this group.
They are very knowledgeable in the art of fly-fishing, as they have answered
a lot of my fishing related questions. The rest of the post I sort of just
glance over and tread the waters very lightly.
-tom

[Mike Connor]

"Tom Nakashima" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
<SNIP>
> Scott,
> I found it best to extract only what you want from this group.
> They are very knowledgeable in the art of fly-fishing, as they have
> answered a lot of my fishing related questions. The rest of the post I
> sort of just glance over and tread the waters very lightly.
> -tom
>

Works best if you can actually walk on it! :)

TL
MC

[JR]

Tom Nakashima wrote:

> I found it best to extract only what you want from this group.

A good idea, given we can't extract whom we might want.....

(Even, in some cases, ourselves.)

JR

In article . com>,
says...
> ...or as Pres Bush says: if you don't stand for anything, you don't
> stand for ANYTHING!
>
> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
>
>
> --riverman
> (left-leaning libertarian centrist)

No big surprise here, centrist libertarian.
- Ken

[jbthwart77]

jbthwart77 wrote in
:

Pardon me for jumpin in here, but you guys evidently try to scare
eachother and don't realize that this is a Fly Fishing Forum or are
you really just enjoying upsetting people of a different breed.

Like it or not, the history of this group is a little bit off your goals
for this group.

By mutual consent of those who have been participating for 10 years or
so, any topic likely to come up during a fly fishing outing is fair game
here.

Check out http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/ROFF/ for some details.

This is the way this group has been for ten years. If you don't like it,
you can a) try to change it, or b) go participate in some of the dozens
of other flyfishing discussion groups. One or two will surely be to your
liking.

If you opt for "a", we're all waiting to see your stellar contributions.
("Stellar", by the way, means "outstanding; like a star"). Of course, if
this is the route you take, be aware that those who have actively
contributed for a decade might draw the opinion that you haven't earned
the right to say word one about what goes on here.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply


I owe an Appology to The Veterans of this News Group,
Here it is I do Appologize, I admit I was wrong by trying to Protect My New Friend when he did'nt need to be.
I read the rules of the Banter 10-3-05 and Did'nt realize you guys are friends also. Doesn't sound like it by the way you speak to one another,
I will stay out of ALL conversations,unless Spoken to first.
Now I realize what It means to Insert Foot.
TimJ, I thought someone was Attacking You and acouple of others and I was only trying to Protect Please Forgive Me. IT Will NOT Happen Again.
It would be comforting to see Peace in this old World,
Again, I Appologize for causing Problems in this Group.

[Wolfgang]

"jbthwart77" > wrote in message
...
>
> Tim J. Wrote:
>> David wrote:-
>> riverman wrote:-
>> ...or as Pres Bush says: if you don't stand for anything, you don't
>> stand for ANYTHING!
>>
>> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
>>
>> --riverman
>> (left-leaning libertarian centrist)-
>>
>> Where do I stand? Why after surviving four years in Vietnam in the
>> military and as a civilian,etc, etc etc but you are not interested in
>> that, I STAND for NOT posting political or ideological bull**** on a
>> group ostensibly dedicated to flyfishing! CLEAR?-
>>
>> What does this have to do with fishing?
>> --
>> TL,
>> Tim
>> ---------------------------
>> http://css.sbcma.com/timj/
> Right on TimJ
> sounds like a bunch of wealthy, miserable, VeryUnhappy oldschool,
> Nothin to do but bitch about Me Me Me and Mymy, my, and poor mistreated
> MMee,MMee and I old Farts

Actually, it isn't so much a mater of VeryUnhappy oldschools bitching about
Me Me Me and Mymy my and MMee MMee and I old Farts as it is listening to Me
Me Me and Mymy my and MMee MMee and I old Farts bitching about God only
knows what. And lemme tell ya, it DOES get tedious after a while! :(

> They sure talk Big and How much you wanna bet theybelong to Racist
> orgs.

Well, I, for one, confess to more or less regular contributions to the ACLU.

> wait,

O.k........preparing to wait now................waiting. Still
waiting.............

> can they spell words that big and uselless????

Um......just how big and uselless would that be?

> Ya sound like a bunch of school yard Bullies

Most of us haven't spent enough time around schoolyards in recent years to
be quite sure of what that sounds like. Frankly, some of the guys have
started wondering what it is that keeps you so close to schoolyards for so
much of the time.

> what good does it do to
> sit around and bitch and moan and grown about somethin you aint got no
> control over

Once again bowing to authority, we had kind of hoped you'd tell us.

> They must have Grown up somewhere where someone taught Violence
> and without Love.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.......what is this world coming to that so many believe
Violence can be taught without Love?

> It reminds me of the war thats goin on right now

Hm.......well, I don't mean to seem contentious or anything, but the only
current wars I'm aware of are being conducted with a great deal of Love.
Someday, when none of us have anything better to do, it might be interesting
to delve into what reminds you of which.....and why. Then again, it might
not.

> You Guys Have been
> Mad about things for so long you dont even know what your mad about
> anymore

Still, we ARE made as hell......and we're not going to take it
anymore!......um......whatever it may be.

> Now all you can do is have Stupid-ss Spelling Bees to see who thinks
> they are the most Intellegent in your case.

In our case, in beer kase, or in a nut case......what difference does it
make?

> Trust me, you just aint got nothin in life to look forward to except
> your own miserable cofeepot and to make other real people miserable
> withyour I I I , Me me,me me me crap.

I won't presume to speak for anyone else here, but MY coffeepot is
exquisitely content.

> Pardon me for jumpin in here,

Mmmmmm.......no, maybe not, I think.

> but you guys evidently try to scare eachother

And succeed to an almost astonishing degree! Why, I can't think of a single
person in all of ROFF who isn't absolutely terrified of all the others.
However, you shouldn't feel sorry for us. As a matter of fact, this state
of affairs has at least one very positive outcome. Every time any of us get
together (and it happens with a rather puzzling frequency) everyone is so
fearful of getting close to (let alone actually contacting) everyone else
that there is never a problem with crowding......even at the most popular
fishin' holes! :)

> and don't realize that this is a Fly Fishing Forum

A WHAT?!! Oh.......I see......this is why you've gone on at such great
length about all of your fishing adventures......regaling us with one
hilarious and/or instructive tale after another......ainna?

> or are
> you really just enjoying upsetting people of a different breed.

Should we ever decide to do so, it is comforting to know that there is at
least one person of a different breed available to practice on.

> you
> sound like you need to get your Panties out of a Bunch

But that would require reaching into the bunch to find one's own........and
some of these guys ain't exactly punctilious about personal hygiene......if
you know what I mean. :(

> Does anyone
> agree that these badasses ought to visit a local charity instead of all
> the memememememe's,and IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIiiii's ??

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIiiii do! IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiiiiii do! Pick
memememememe! Pick mememememememe!

Wollllllllllllllllfgang

[Larry L]

"jbthwart77" > wrote



> >> ( In effect, exact wording mine for bandwith conservation )
>>>>> I don't like the posts around here because they offend ME"
>

Really jb, Is "I" and "me" all you can think about? How about some fishing
talk?

[Mike Connor]

"jbthwart77" > schrieb im
Newsbeitrag ...
> It would be comforting to see Peace in this old World,
> Again, I Appologize for causing Problems in this Group.
>
>
> --
> jbthwart77

The nobility of innocence.

Welcome to the group, but don´t expect much comfort.

TL
MC

[Scott Seidman]

jbthwart77 > wrote in
:

> I owe an Appology to The Veterans of this News Group,
> Here it is I do Appologize, I admit I was wrong by trying to Protect
> My New Friend when he did'nt need to be.
> I read the rules of the Banter 10-3-05 and Did'nt realize you guys are
> friends also. Doesn't sound like it by the way you speak to one
> another,
>

Don't worry about it at all. You haven't caused problem 1. Hang out for a
while, start up a thread if you're interested, and ask away. Post and
enjoy. If you think about it, there's only so much fly fishing you can
talk about, or read about, over the course of a decade.

Because this is an interesting place to virtually hang out, there's always
a slew of fly fishing experience around. Ask about any technique, gear, or
destination, and you're sure to get a whole slow of that experience (though
it might be as "interesting" as what you've been reading so far!).

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

[Tim J.]

jbthwart77 wrote:
> Scott Seidman Wrote:
>> jbthwart77 wrote in
>> :
>> -
>> Pardon me for jumpin in here, but you guys evidently try to scare
>> eachother and don't realize that this is a Fly Fishing Forum or are
>> you really just enjoying upsetting people of a different breed.-
>>
>> Like it or not, the history of this group is a little bit off your
>> goals for this group.
>>
>> By mutual consent of those who have been participating for 10 years
>> or so, any topic likely to come up during a fly fishing outing is
>> fair game here.
>>
>> Check out http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/ROFF/ for some details.
>>
>> This is the way this group has been for ten years. If you don't like
>> it, you can a) try to change it, or b) go participate in some of the
>> dozens of other flyfishing discussion groups. One or two will surely
>> be to your liking.
>>
>> If you opt for "a", we're all waiting to see your stellar
>> contributions. ("Stellar", by the way, means "outstanding; like a
>> star"). Of course, if this is the route you take, be aware that
>> those
>> who have actively contributed for a decade might draw the opinion
>> that you haven't earned the right to say word one about what goes
>> on here.
>
> I owe an [censored] to The Veterans of this News Group,
> Here it is I do [censored], I admit I was wrong by trying to Protect
> My New Friend when he did'nt need to be.
> I read the rules of the Banter 10-3-05 and Did'nt realize you guys are
> friends also. Doesn't sound like it by the way you speak to one
> another,
> I will stay out of ALL conversations,unless Spoken to first.

Now, what fun is THAT going to be? ;-)

> Now I realize what It means to Insert Foot.
> TimJ, I thought someone was Attacking You

Aw, shoot. These here boys are in attack mode most of the time. The good
news is they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

> and acouple of others and I was only trying to Protect

While I appreciate the sentiment, no protection is needed. I have my
super deflector shield and my decoder ring, but even those are rarely
needed (see above.) Besides, you don't know me except through the swap
and I could be a real flaming asshole. I'm not, but I could be.

> Please [censored] Me. IT Will NOT Happen
> Again.
> It would be comforting to see Peace in this old World,
> Again, I [censored] for causing Problems in this Group.

Problems? We don gots no steenkin problems. Well, except for that
apology thingy. Don't ever, EVER, *NEVER* apologize on roff. It's just
not done. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

[jbthwart77]

jbthwart77 wrote:
Scott Seidman Wrote:
jbthwart77 wrote in
:
-
Pardon me for jumpin in here, but you guys evidently try to scare
eachother and don't realize that this is a Fly Fishing Forum or are
you really just enjoying upsetting people of a different breed.-

Like it or not, the history of this group is a little bit off your
goals for this group.

By mutual consent of those who have been participating for 10 years
or so, any topic likely to come up during a fly fishing outing is
fair game here.

Check out http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/ROFF/ for some details.

This is the way this group has been for ten years. If you don't like
it, you can a) try to change it, or b) go participate in some of the
dozens of other flyfishing discussion groups. One or two will surely
be to your liking.

If you opt for "a", we're all waiting to see your stellar
contributions. ("Stellar", by the way, means "outstanding; like a
star"). Of course, if this is the route you take, be aware that
those
who have actively contributed for a decade might draw the opinion
that you haven't earned the right to say word one about what goes
on here.

I owe an [censored] to The Veterans of this News Group,
Here it is I do [censored], I admit I was wrong by trying to Protect
My New Friend when he did'nt need to be.
I read the rules of the Banter 10-3-05 and Did'nt realize you guys are
friends also. Doesn't sound like it by the way you speak to one
another,
I will stay out of ALL conversations,unless Spoken to first.

Now, what fun is THAT going to be? ;-)

Now I realize what It means to Insert Foot.
TimJ, I thought someone was Attacking You

Aw, shoot. These here boys are in attack mode most of the time. The good
news is they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

and acouple of others and I was only trying to Protect

While I appreciate the sentiment, no protection is needed. I have my
super deflector shield and my decoder ring, but even those are rarely
needed (see above.) Besides, you don't know me except through the swap
and I could be a real flaming asshole. I'm not, but I could be.

Please [censored] Me. IT Will NOT Happen
Again.
It would be comforting to see Peace in this old World,
Again, I [censored] for causing Problems in this Group.

Problems? We don gots no steenkin problems. Well, except for that
apology thingy. Don't ever, EVER, *NEVER* apologize on roff. It's just
not done. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

I guess I owe you Guys a Round of Beers or 2 ?
But let me tell each one of ya >
If you need protecting, don't come runnin to me

[jbthwart77]

I guess I owe you Guys a Round of Beers or 2 ?
But let me tell each one of ya
If you need protecting, don't come runnin to me

cuz my feet are still sore from the go round,
Thanks fellas, is it OK if I just sit on the sidelines and tend to my feet for now ?

[Cyli]

On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:23:39 +0000, jbthwart77
> wrote:


>I will stay out of ALL conversations,unless Spoken to first.

Uh, Why? That'd be ridiculous.

>Now I realize what It means to Insert Foot.

Like we haven't all been there, done that, and the t-shirt was dirty.

>TimJ, I thought someone was Attacking You and acouple of others and I
>was only trying to Protect Please Forgive Me. IT Will NOT Happen
>Again.

Yep. Don't get over-excited on someone else's behalf on here until
you know if they're being roasted or kidded and how serious it is.

>It would be comforting to see Peace in this old World,

Yah, shure. But so far life doesn't seem to have provided much of it,
except a bit for Americans in the 50s and early 60s. And Switzerland
for a couple of centuries.

>Again, I Appologize for causing Problems in this Group.

We don't think of them as problems. We think of them as
opportunities. One way or another.


Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: (strip the .invalid to email)

[Frank Church]

"David" > wrote in news:1128263578.573917.150970
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

>
> Where do I stand? Why after surviving four years in Vietnam in the
> military and as a civilian,etc, etc etc but you are not interested in
> that, I STAND for NOT posting political or ideological bull**** on a
> group ostensibly dedicated to flyfishing! CLEAR?

....and a fine lot of good that post will do you...I've been bitching about
these effing libs taking over this usenet group with their trash for years
now, but it got me zippo. Let's face it David, we're surrounded and there
ain't a fecking thing we can do about it. Wait, there is one thing I did
that helps some...killfile the worst offenders. I was gonna killfile
Fortenberry as the leading offender, but his erudite and sometines humorous
posts would be missed, so I continue to suffer his political bull****. (who
loves ya Kenny?) ;-)

Frank Sr.
USAF RETIRED

[Frank Church]

Ken Fortenberry > wrote in
:

> Frank Church wrote:
>> "David" whined:
>>>
>>>... I STAND for NOT posting political or ideological bull**** on a
>>>group ostensibly dedicated to flyfishing! CLEAR?
>>
>> ...and a fine lot of good that post will do you...I've been bitching
>> about these effing libs taking over this usenet group with their
>> trash for years now, but it got me zippo. Let's face it David, we're
>> surrounded and there ain't a fecking thing we can do about it. Wait,
>> there is one thing I did that helps some...killfile the worst
>> offenders. I was gonna killfile Fortenberry as the leading offender,
>> but his erudite and sometines humorous posts would be missed, so I
>> continue to suffer his political bull****. (who loves ya Kenny?) ;-)
>
> Nice try, but if you want something other than Budweiser
> or Laphroaig when we go fishing you're gonna have to bring
> your own damn booze. ;-)
>

....OK Kenny, I'll still share my baloney and onion sandwiches with you. ;-)

Ole onion breath