Quick Corrode Hooks

[No left turn]

Quick Corrode Hooks ?

What kind of alloy would make a good hook AND corrode in fresh water in about a week.
Think something like Sintered Cast Iron would work?
What metals corrode in a few days?

I love to have hooks like this for my plastic worms and my foam poppers. So what if the lure needs a bit more care...

Think about it.
Gut hook a fish or break off a trophy and rest assured it hasn't just received a death sentence.

Or How about hooks lost in those mixed use areas? Be nice to know that hooks lost near the boat dock wont be around to snag a kids foot the next week.

Any metallurgist geniuses out there?
Hey - What did Chrysler used to make those K cars out of ?

'Cause I don't believe most fish survive waiting for a standard hook to corrode, lets keep this thread on the topic of corrosion please.

Steve P
Dallas FlyFishers

[riverman]

I've wondered about how long hooks stick around. My conclusion is 'not
much', because of all the fish I have caught in well-used areas and C&R
areas, very few have had hooks in their mouths from previous releases.
There was one notable 30" Northern Pike with a black DareDevil that I
still use, but I have never landed a trout with an OPH still in.
Possibly, this might be because leftover hooks tend to kill fish, but
if that were the case, where are all the fish who are foul-hooked in
nonlethal spots, like fins?

If there is mortality from injuries sustained while hooking them, a
corrosive hook won't change that. But if they survive the initial
event, the hook must get loosened and fall out over time. In fact, I
think I'd prefer that to having the shaft corrode away and the tip stay
in the body, as without the shaft to bump around, the tip would no
longer get loosened.

--riverman

[Bob La Londe]

"riverman" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> I've wondered about how long hooks stick around. My conclusion is 'not
> much', because of all the fish I have caught in well-used areas and C&R
> areas, very few have had hooks in their mouths from previous releases.
> There was one notable 30" Northern Pike with a black DareDevil that I
> still use, but I have never landed a trout with an OPH still in.
> Possibly, this might be because leftover hooks tend to kill fish, but
> if that were the case, where are all the fish who are foul-hooked in
> nonlethal spots, like fins?
>
> If there is mortality from injuries sustained while hooking them, a
> corrosive hook won't change that. But if they survive the initial
> event, the hook must get loosened and fall out over time. In fact, I
> think I'd prefer that to having the shaft corrode away and the tip stay
> in the body, as without the shaft to bump around, the tip would no
> longer get loosened.
>
> --riverman
>

I have caught bass with hooks, baits, etc stuck in them.

--
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

[Conan The Librarian]

No left turn wrote:

> Think about it.
> Gut hook a fish or break off a trophy and rest assured
> it hasn't just received a death sentence.

If the idea of gut hooking fish bothers you, don't use bait. If the
fish breaks off, I seriously doubt it's a death sentence. I've caught
fish with hooks still embedded in their jaws, and I'll bet most ROFFians
have too. Some ROFFians have even told of catching a fish with their
own fly embedded in its jaw. (I.e., the fish broke off yet continued to
feed and took a fly a second time.)

> 'Cause I don't believe most fish survive waiting for a standard
> hook to corrode, lets keep this thread on the topic of corrosion
> please.

Sorry I couldn't help there. Since I don't believe that most fish
die waiting for a standard hook to corrode, I think you have a solution
looking for a problem.

HTH.


Chuck Vance

[Peter A. Collin]

You could use whatever metal they made Gremlins from.

[George Adams]

I agree with Chuck that your looking for a problem to match a solution,
but if you're all that concerned, why not take a stone and/or some
sandpaper and remove the finish from whatever hooks you are using.

[Conan The Librarian]

George Adams wrote:

> I agree with Chuck that your looking for a problem to match a solution,
> but if you're all that concerned, why not take a stone and/or some
> sandpaper and remove the finish from whatever hooks you are using.

Hey, that's a great idea! But to really do it right, we need to
take it a couple of steps further: Remove all the finish from the hooks
and set them in a bucket of water. Remove them from the water, but
don't dry them out. Just set them out in the elements for a while.
Then put them in an air-tight flybox (can't have any moisture escaping)
until you're ready to fish with them. (For best results, I'd recommend
leaving them for a year or two in this condition.)

Then when you actually hook something, given their rusted condition,
they'll likely break, and not only will the fish get away, but what's
left of the hook should be well-on-the-way to total disintegration.

Of course we'd have to come up with a name for them. Hmmm ... Slo
Corrode ... Pre Corrode ... Tru Corrode?


Chuck Vance (naw, you don't have to thank me, I live for this stuff)

[[email protected]]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:26:32 -0600, Conan The Librarian
> wrote:

>the-way to total disintegration.

Wait for it...wait for it...
>
> Of course we'd have to come up with a name for them. Hmmm ... Slo
>Corrode ... Pre Corrode ... Tru Corrode?
>
"Chuck's ****ed-Up Hookers"

Yep, that'd do it...

[Frank Reid]

>> I agree with Chuck that your looking for a problem to match a solution,
>> but if you're all that concerned, why not take a stone and/or some
>> sandpaper and remove the finish from whatever hooks you are using.
>
> Hey, that's a great idea! But to really do it right, we need to take
> it a couple of steps further: Remove all the finish from the hooks and
> set them in a bucket of water. Remove them from the water, but don't dry
> them out. Just set them out in the elements for a while. Then put them in
> an air-tight flybox (can't have any moisture escaping) until you're ready
> to fish with them. (For best results, I'd recommend leaving them for a
> year or two in this condition.)
>
> Then when you actually hook something, given their rusted condition,
> they'll likely break, and not only will the fish get away, but what's left
> of the hook should be well-on-the-way to total disintegration.
>
> Of course we'd have to come up with a name for them. Hmmm ... Slo
> Corrode ... Pre Corrode ... Tru Corrode?

Save yourself the trouble and have a certain North Cakalaky fly shop owner
tie one one of his special flies for you. You'll never have to worry about
leaving the fly in a fish.

--
Frank Reid
Euthanize to respond

[Dave LaCourse]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:20:59 -0600, "No left turn"
> wrote:

>'Cause I don't believe most fish survive waiting for a standard hook =
> to corrode, lets keep this thread on the topic of corrosion =
>please.

First, turn off your html. It's a pia.

Most (all?) fresh water hooks will eventually completely erode in
fresh water. Your fears are unfounded.

Dave

[Dave LaCourse]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:20:59 -0600, "No left turn"
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>Quick Corrode Hooks ?
>
>What kind of alloy would make a good hook AND corrode in fresh =
>water in about a week.
>Think something like Sintered Cast Iron would work?
>What metals corrode in a few days?
>
>I love to have hooks like this for my plastic worms and my =
>foam poppers. So what if the lure needs a bit more care...
>
>Think about it.
>Gut hook a fish or break off a trophy and rest assured it hasn't =
>just received a death sentence.
>
>Or How about hooks lost in those mixed use areas? Be nice to know =
> that hooks lost near the boat dock wont be around to snag a =
>kids foot the next week.
>
>Any metallurgist geniuses out there?
>Hey - What did Chrysler used to make those K cars out of ?
>
>'Cause I don't believe most fish survive waiting for a standard hook =
> to corrode, lets keep this thread on the topic of corrosion =
>please.
>
>Steve P
>Dallas FlyFishers
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Can you see why you should turn off your html?

[Wolfgang]

"Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
...
> ...Most (all?) fresh water hooks will eventually completely erode in
> fresh water.

So will plutonium.

> Your fears are unfounded.

Well, unless you're planning on having grandchildren.

Wolfgang
who always thought erosion was a problem, not a .......wait for
it.......solution! :)

[Cyli]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:20:59 -0600, "No left turn"
> wrote:

>Quick Corrode Hooks ?
>
>What kind of alloy would make a good hook AND corrode in fresh water in about a week.
>Think something like Sintered Cast Iron would work?
>What metals corrode in a few days?


Our DNR recommends cutting the line (close to the fish) when it's deep
hooked, if one is doing catch and release. Their figures (you'll have
to check with them for the basis) are that the hook is completely
corroded by digestive fluids (yes, all the liquid in fish is other
than pure distilled water) within a max of two weeks and is generally
harmless. If you're not doing catch and release, filet the fish
quickly so that you can retrieve your lure and hook before the
corrosion starts.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: (strip the .invalid to email)

[Cyli]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:26:32 -0600, Conan The Librarian
> wrote:

(snipped)

>George Adams wrote:
>
>> I agree with Chuck that your looking for a problem to match a solution,
>> but if you're all that concerned, why not take a stone and/or some
>> sandpaper and remove the finish from whatever hooks you are using.
>
> Hey, that's a great idea! But to really do it right, we need to
>take it a couple of steps further: Remove all the finish from the hooks
>and set them in a bucket of water.

Coke. The cola kind. It'll rot thin metal much faster than mere
water will.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: (strip the .invalid to email)

[Wolfgang]

"Cyli" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:26:32 -0600, Conan The Librarian
> > wrote:
>
> (snipped)
>
>>George Adams wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Chuck that your looking for a problem to match a solution,
>>> but if you're all that concerned, why not take a stone and/or some
>>> sandpaper and remove the finish from whatever hooks you are using.
>>
>> Hey, that's a great idea! But to really do it right, we need to
>>take it a couple of steps further: Remove all the finish from the hooks
>>and set them in a bucket of water.
>
> Coke. The cola kind. It'll rot thin metal much faster than mere
> water will.

Ice cold coke. Coke is mostly water, right? And cold water holds more
dissolved oxygen, right? And it's the oxygen in the water that causes rust,
right? And we're all going to have a bigass cooler full of ice in the
stream with us......to anesthetize the fish......right? :)

Wolfgang
it's the sheer unbridled elegance of it that brings tears to the eye.

[asadi]

"Conan The Librarian" > wrote in message
...
> No left turn wrote:
>
>> Think about it.
>> Gut hook a fish or break off a trophy and rest assured it hasn't
>> just received a death sentence.
>
> If the idea of gut hooking fish bothers you, don't use bait. If the
> fish breaks off, I seriously doubt it's a death sentence. I've caught
> fish with hooks still embedded in their jaws, and I'll bet most ROFFians
> have too. Some ROFFians have even told of catching a fish with their own
> fly embedded in its jaw. (I.e., the fish broke off yet continued to feed
> and took a fly a second time.)
>
>> 'Cause I don't believe most fish survive waiting for a standard hook
>> to corrode, lets keep this thread on the topic of corrosion
>> please.
>
> Sorry I couldn't help there. Since I don't believe that most fish die
> waiting for a standard hook to corrode, I think you have a solution
> looking for a problem.
>
> HTH.
>
>
> Chuck Vance

Chuck, I'm not in a ggogling mood but it seems I recall this subject making
the rounds a few years back. However, around that time I had read an article
in a magazine, addressing this very subject.

Firstly, of the things I read, most did not address the use of hemostats - I
don't know that I've ever hurt a fish, no matter how deeply hooked, when
I've had my hemostats and indeed will not fish without them.

Anyhow the article summarized by saying that foul hooked fished did not
suffer the mortality one might expect. And that it might even be better to
leave a portion of line attached to the hook ( if the fish must be released
with hook) in order to help keep the hook from sliding crosswise in the
throat.

Secondly, secondly, . . ah well, lost my train of thought.

john

[Conan The Librarian]

asadi wrote:

> Chuck, I'm not in a ggogling mood but it seems I recall this subject making
> the rounds a few years back. However, around that time I had read an article
> in a magazine, addressing this very subject.
>
> Firstly, of the things I read, most did not address the use of hemostats - I
> don't know that I've ever hurt a fish, no matter how deeply hooked, when
> I've had my hemostats and indeed will not fish without them.
>
> Anyhow the article summarized by saying that foul hooked fished did not
> suffer the mortality one might expect. And that it might even be better to
> leave a portion of line attached to the hook ( if the fish must be released
> with hook) in order to help keep the hook from sliding crosswise in the
> throat.

Yep, that's exactly what our F&W folks recommend. Snip the line and
leave the hook. It will corrode on its own, and it doesn't seem to
interfere with feeding.

I'm starting to wonder if this whole thread was spam, as our OP
seems to have disappeared altogether.


Chuck Vance (maybe he just quick corroded away)

[Conan The Librarian]

Wolfgang wrote:

> Ice cold coke. Coke is mostly water, right? And cold water holds more
> dissolved oxygen, right? And it's the oxygen in the water that causes rust,
> right? And we're all going to have a bigass cooler full of ice in the
> stream with us......to anesthetize the fish......right? :)
>
> Wolfgang
> it's the sheer unbridled elegance of it that brings tears to the eye.

This, my friends is a perfect example of why I enjoy ROFF.


Chuck Vance (just think what the world would be like if ROFFians
were in positions of power)

[Tim J.]

Wolfgang typed:
> "Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
> ...
>> ...Most (all?) fresh water hooks will eventually completely erode in
>> fresh water.
>
> So will plutonium.
>
>> Your fears are unfounded.
>
> Well, unless you're planning on having grandchildren.
>
> Wolfgang
> who always thought erosion was a problem, not a .......wait for
> it.......solution! :)

That, my friend, depends on if you're the dirt or the ditch.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

[Conan The Librarian]

Tim J. wrote:

> Conan The Librarian typed:
>
>>Wolfgang wrote:
>>
>>>Ice cold coke. Coke is mostly water, right? And cold water holds
>>>more dissolved oxygen, right? And it's the oxygen in the water that
>>>causes rust, right? And we're all going to have a bigass cooler
>>>full of ice in the stream with us......to anesthetize the
>>>fish......right? :) Wolfgang
>>>it's the sheer unbridled elegance of it that brings tears to the eye.
>>
>> This, my friends is a perfect example of why I enjoy ROFF.
>
> Yeah, it's reminiscent of the ol' Monty Python skit for identifying witches.

Bingo. I knew I recognized that accent. :-)

>> Chuck Vance (just think what the world would be like if ROFFians
>>were in positions of power)
>
> Now that's just sick.

You say that like it's a bad thing.


Chuck Vance (if she weighs the same as a duck ... she's made of
wood ... and therefore ... )

[riverman]

> This is a pretty good news group

We got an insect rights activist on the other thread who'll disagree
with ya.

--riverman

[Conan The Librarian]

No left turn wrote:

> Hey Conan L,
>
> I am still here, just reading.
>
> - The comment that the idea is a problem in search of a solution, no
> wait, a solution in search of a problem, is my favorite.
> Pretty accurate. Dang.

Glad to see you've got a good attitude about it.

> - There are some soft plastics on the market now that claim to be bio
> degradable, that's what got me curious about hooks.
>
> - Also I wanted to see how many folks can think "outside the box" . And
> you never know, sometimes the 'net can really pull ideas together.

Oh this group can definitely do that. I think the responses to this
thread and the "humane way to clean fish" thread are evidence of that. :-)

> This is a pretty good news group

Just wait until Ken sees that you are top-posting.


Chuck Vance (but don't worry about Ken ... his bark is worse than
his bite :-)

[Kevin Vang]

In article >, says...
> I'm starting to wonder if this whole thread was spam, as our OP
> seems to have disappeared altogether.
>


No, spam is unwanted commercial advertising. It might have been
trolling, which is intentionally stirring up an argument. I don't
think he/she was a troll, though, because he/she seemed perfectly
sincere in his/her mindboggling ignorance.

Kevin
(Who has the cluebat this week, anyway?)

[Kevin Vang]

In article >,
says...
>
> No, spam is unwanted commercial advertising. It might have been

Damn, I thought I was in that other thread spawned by a clueless
idiot. Sorry about that.

Kevin,
who is taking a lot of cold medication lately.

[Jeff Miller]

No left turn wrote:


> - There are some soft plastics on the market now that claim to be bio
> degradable, that's what got me curious about hooks.
>

are you talking about the "gulps"(?) lures? just heard about them
recently...they are supposed to dissolve completely in 3 days. don't
know what the newly dissolved matter is...

jeff

[Wolfgang]

"Jeff Miller" > wrote in message
news:qwEff.33320$0l5.1902@dukeread06...
> No left turn wrote:
>
>
>> - There are some soft plastics on the market now that claim to be bio
>> degradable, that's what got me curious about hooks.
>>
>
> are you talking about the "gulps"(?) lures? just heard about them
> recently...they are supposed to dissolve completely in 3 days. don't know
> what the newly dissolved matter is...

I recall hearing or reading something about starches sometime in the last
couple of years. Becky is very fond of a candy confection called "gummi
bears" (so fond that she occasionally hands the bag to me and tells me to
hide them......to be doled out,sparingly, upon request). They actually come
in a variety of shapes, including worms. I don't know for a fact what they
are made of, but I'd bet a shiny new nickel that corn starch (or some other
common food starch) is very high on the list of ingredients. Replace the
sugar and citric acid with something redolent of real worms or some other
fishy treat and voila! I guess a day or three would be about right for
complete dissolution.

Wolfgang

[Mike Connor]

"Wolfgang" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
<SNIP>
> I recall hearing or reading something about starches sometime in the last
> couple of years. Becky is very fond of a candy confection called "gummi
> bears" (so fond that she occasionally hands the bag to me and tells me to
> hide them......to be doled out,sparingly, upon request). They actually
> come in a variety of shapes, including worms. I don't know for a fact
> what they are made of, but I'd bet a shiny new nickel that corn starch (or
> some other common food starch) is very high on the list of ingredients.
> Replace the sugar and citric acid with something redolent of real worms or
> some other fishy treat and voila! I guess a day or three would be about
> right for complete dissolution.
>
> Wolfgang
>

http://www.gummibaeren-forschung.de/english/jellybear.htm

Perhaps this will be of interest as well
http://www.naturkost.de/produc/p11703.htm

TL
MC

[Wolfgang]

"Mike Connor" > wrote in message
...
>

> http://www.gummibaeren-forschung.de/english/jellybear.htm

"Nicola Döring's research on the "Sexual Fantasies of the Jelly-Bears"
offers insight into one of the darker areas. First, she collected different
types of fantasies. Second, she analysed the reasons for having those
fantasies."

Hee, hee, hee.

> Perhaps this will be of interest as well
> http://www.naturkost.de/produc/p11703.htm

Looks like I'd have lost that nickel. :)

Wolfgang

[asadi]

"Jeff Miller" > wrote in message
news:qwEff.33320$0l5.1902@dukeread06...
> No left turn wrote:
>
>
>> - There are some soft plastics on the market now that claim to be bio
>> degradable, that's what got me curious about hooks.
>>
>
> are you talking about the "gulps"(?) lures? just heard about them
> recently...they are supposed to dissolve completely in 3 days. don't know
> what the newly dissolved matter is...
>
> jeff
>

I read somewhere that sperm has a 72 hour life span in the ..well, you
know...

john

[riverman]

asadi wrote:
> I read somewhere that sperm has a 72 hour life span in the ..well, you
> know...
>
> john

In the JOHN?? More than I wanted to know, thanks.

--riverman

[No left turn]

Hey !!!!!
>
>
> OFF THE SPERM PLEASE
> GET BACK ON TOPIC !!
>
>
> and now
> for something completely different........
>
> #17 "the larch"
>

"riverman" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> asadi wrote:
>> I read somewhere that sperm has a 72 hour life span in the ..well, you
>> know...
>>
>> john
>
> In the JOHN?? More than I wanted to know, thanks.
>
> --riverman
>