nymph fishing

[gary]

I'm pretty inexperienced at nymh fishing. Is a 9' leader about the right
lenght? How much weight should one have enough to feel the rocks on the
bottom? Where do you put the indicator, how far from the hook? Does one
need an indicator?

Thanks

[Jeff Taylor]

"gary" > wrote in message
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> Is a 9' leader about the right lenght?

Should be fine..

> How much weight should one have enough to feel the rocks on the bottom?

Depends on the current, yes you need enough weight to get your fly to the
bottom. If you are using weighted nymphs additional weight may not be
required.

>Where do you put the indicator, how far from the hook?

Depends on depth. If you are fishing a run that is 3 feet deep, I would
place the indicator about 3 ft. from the fly, with the swing of the fly due
to current, it should be just off the bottom... This also depends on the
current of the river.

>Does one need an indicator?

Nope

YMMV,
JT

[Dave LaCourse]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:05:28 GMT, "gary" > wrote:

>I'm pretty inexperienced at nymh fishing. Is a 9' leader about the right
>lenght? How much weight should one have enough to feel the rocks on the
>bottom? Where do you put the indicator, how far from the hook? Does one
>need an indicator?

I generally use about an 8 foot leader, so 9' is good.

The size/number of split shot (or whatever you are using) depends on
the depth and the force of the current. With a fast current, you will
need a bit more weight to get the fly down where you want it. And, if
it is deep, more weight would be a good idea.

General rule of thumb on the indicator is 1 1/2 times the depth of the
water, which means you will have to adjust your indicator as you go
along. Most importantly is that your indicator (line/leader) do not
move with the current, but is slower. The current on the surface is
faster than the current, say, three feet down. So, to get a drag free
drift, you will need to adjust your weight and your indicator postion.
It sounds like a bunch of bother, but isn't. Start out with a small
weight and build up until your indicator is moving slower than the
current.

OR, you can fish without an indicator and watch your leader/line
connection. Again, however, that too should be moving slower than the
surface current.

Also, keep in mind that dragging the bottom may not always be the
depth that the fish are feeding. Experiment with more or less weight,
and different positions with your indicator. Your indicator can
determine what depth you are fishing. Remember, nymphing is three
dimensional, unlike the "easiest" way to fly fish - with a two
dimensional DRY fly where you actually SEE the fish take your lure.
d;o)

bmiaf

Dave

[Jeff Taylor]

"Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:05:28 GMT, "gary" > wrote:

> bmiaf

Tim!

You need to add this to the acronyms list!

JT :)

[Bill Kiene]

Hi Gary,

If you can get out with someone who knows how it would be very fast. I
suggest taking a seminar or going with a good guide/instructor for fast
learning.

As far as knotless tapered leaders go most use a 7.5' 3x-4x for most medium
size trout streams. The they can add 4x-5x on to that depending on the fly
size or water/fishing conditions. Having more tippet and less butt section
(thick part of the tapered leader) will allow your bugs to sink faster and
deeper. That is why most don't buy 9' tapered leaders for "upstream/high
stick/dead drift" nymphing. If you have 9' tapered leaders you merely cut a
few feet off the butt section and you are ready to go.


On big streams/rivers like we have in Northern California many use straight
tippet material from the indicator down to their nymphs for trout and
steelhead. This is called the "right angle" system where you have a short
butt section about 12-18" and then a large indicator that is either foam
ball type or synthetic polly yarn with floatant. You then add 4 to 8 feet of
say 3x fluorocarbon tippet (which is tough, sinks fast and helps in clear
water). then you attach a couple of nymphs or a nymph and egg imitation in
tandem. You will add some shot above the nymphs to get them down too. Many
are using tungsten bead head nymphs for deeper water.

Longer length below indicator = deeper

More total weight (shot/nymphs) = deeper

Lighter tippet material = deeper




--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"gary" > wrote in message
nk.net...

> I'm pretty inexperienced at nymh fishing. Is a 9' leader about the right
> lenght? How much weight should one have enough to feel the rocks on the
> bottom? Where do you put the indicator, how far from the hook? Does one
> need an indicator?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>

[Tom Nakashima]

"Bill Kiene" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi Gary,
>
> On big streams/rivers like we have in Northern California many use
> straight tippet material from the indicator down to their nymphs for trout
> and steelhead. > Bill Kiene
> Kiene's Fly Shop
> Sacramento, CA, USA
>
> Web site: www.kiene.com
>

Greetings Bill,
Bill I heard the Trinity was hot for steelhead last week, I know it's a
short run, do you have any current reports?
thanks,
-tom