OK, I'm new here, and this subject has probably been beaten todeath..

[Bucket Mouth]

But, can you guys give me all the pros and cons of braided line?

I'd greatly appreciate it. I've used mono all my life, but I'd ike to
try one of the braided lines on a few of my baitcasters.

What brand is the best in your opinion (I was leaning towards Spider
Wire Stealth).....

Can braided lines ruin the eyes on your rod?

I've heard people talk about how the color fades....

How do they cast?

How often do you re-spool?

Are they as tough as they say?

What color is the best?

Any info you can give me is greatly appreciated.

Thanks a bunch!

BM

[Bob La Londe]

www.rofb.com

[Henry Hefner]

Bob La Londe wrote:
> www.rofb.com
>
>
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[Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers]

Hi Bucket,

Yep, the subject has been beaten up quite a bit, but not to death yet. :)
Here's my take on the subject.

> But, can you guys give me all the pros and cons of braided line?

***Pros:

Unrivaled sensitivity, you'll feel your lure working like never before and
bites that might have otherwise gone undetected. Thinner diameter means
there's less resistance in the water and you can use lighter lures in deeper
water or current, crankbaits will get deeper than before and the thin
diameter also means that it cuts weeds much better than mono.

Just about zero stretch means that you'll get better hooksets at longer
distances.

Unbeatable strength to diameter ratio. Typically I use 50 pound PowerPro,
which has diameter similar to 14 pound monofilament line. On spinning
tackle, I use PowerPro 10/4 (10 lb test/4 lb dia.) or 8/2.

More resistant to bite-off's from pike/muskie than mono (highly important in
my neck of the woods)

If used on a baitcast reel, kinked line because of a backlash is not a
problem. Superlines are not weakened by kinking as mono can be.

Exceptional life. Superlines can be used for quite a while, then simply
spooled onto a different reel. This reverses the line and you can then
utilize the unused portion for another season. So while the initial cost is
higher, by reversing the line, it actually costs less to use than mono.

Cons:

Some people find the noise of the braid coming through the guides annoying.

No stretch means you have to be more careful about drag setting. No stretch
also means that you'll have to be careful with fish when at the boat side.
A surge with an improper drag setting can tear or straighten hooks and
result in a lost fish. No stretch also means that you either have to set
the drag so it slips a little on hooksets, or tone down the MONGO set that
you're used to doing. Too much hookset or too tight of a drag will result
in huge, gaping holes torn in a fish's mouth and probably a lost fish. A
quick wrist snap will usually do.

Some people have problems with the line cutting down into the spool. Those
that have this problem have not spooled the line on tight enough. Any
superline must be wound on under extreme tension or this problem can occur.

Any superline is slippery, and thus must be secured to the spool of the
reel. This can be done either by simply taping the line to the spool after
it is tied on, or 20 - 30 feet of monofilament line can be tied on as
backing. If you don't do this, the line will spin on the spool when it is
under pressure from a hookset or heavy fish.

People think that because the line is not clear, that fish can see it and
thus it will result in less bites. I have never found this to be a problem,
but the simple addition of a mono or flourocarbon leader eliminates this
gripe.

I like it because I keep more lures longer than with mono as well, many
snags will come loose, or I can straighten the hooks and retrieve the lure.


>
> I'd greatly appreciate it. I've used mono all my life, but I'd ike to
> try one of the braided lines on a few of my baitcasters.
>
> What brand is the best in your opinion (I was leaning towards Spider
> Wire Stealth).....

I still find that PowerPro is the best available on the market today. I've
used FireLine and find it all right, but I don't like the Spider Wire
products.

>
> Can braided lines ruin the eyes on your rod?

Not unless you're fishing with an extremely cheap rod. Any decent rod will
have guides that can withstand the use of PowerPro.

>
> I've heard people talk about how the color fades....

Personally, I like the line when it fades. It becomes nice and limp. Plus,
if fishing crankbaits or spinnerbaits, and the fish looks up from below,
what is the color of the surface? Light gray/blue, right? PowerPro turns
gray and blends right in. Some people will take a wide tip magic marker,
cut a slit in it and camo the line by running the line through the slit.
But I don't think it's as much of a problem as some think it is.

>
> How do they cast?

It's been my experience that I get longer casts from broken in superline.

>
> How often do you re-spool?

About once a season, unless I've cut and re-tied so much that I don't have
enough line on the spool. Even then, if there's enough line left, I
occasionally will use fresh mono as a backing line to fill the spool.

>
> Are they as tough as they say?

I fish for muskies with my bass tackle, throwing spinnerbaits without a
leader, how tough is that?

>
> What color is the best?

I like the smoke color.

>
> Any info you can give me is greatly appreciated.

How's that for information? This is just my experience with the line,
others milage might vary.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

[MMccoy01]

Good for sewing up a seam in a tent but worthless for fishing.

Just my opinion.
Mark McCoy<br>
McCoy's Market Bumpus Mills, Tennessee<br>
http://www.mccoysmarket.com

[Bucket Mouth]

Thanks guys!

Steve, I too have to deal with bite-offs from pike and muskie while I'm
bass fishing. Thats the main reason I wanna try one of the braided
lines.

Thanks or all the info!

Has anyone tried Stren Super Braid???

[Richard Liebert]

"Bucket Mouth" > wrote in message
...
> But, can you guys give me all the pros and cons of braided line?
>
> I'd greatly appreciate it. I've used mono all my life, but I'd ike to
> try one of the braided lines on a few of my baitcasters.
>
> What brand is the best in your opinion (I was leaning towards Spider
> Wire Stealth).....

Power Pro

>
> Can braided lines ruin the eyes on your rod?
>

If they are cheap

> I've heard people talk about how the color fades....
>

I use magic marker sometimes to darken the line if I feel it will help


> How do they cast?
>

Great


> How often do you re-spool?
>

After the first year take it off and respool backwards,you'll get another
year

> Are they as tough as they say?
>

Yes

> What color is the best?

Depends, I like green

>
> Any info you can give me is greatly appreciated.
>

I would say try it for yourself. It works well spin or cast. Make sure you
follow manufacturers KNOT specs


> Thanks a bunch!
>
> BM
>

[Bucket Mouth]

How much of the line do you color with the magic marker? 12 inches? 20
inches?

Won't the smell of magic marker turn the fish off?

[Uncle Arthur]

Excellent info, thanks.

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" > wrote in
message ...
> Hi Bucket,
>
> Yep, the subject has been beaten up quite a bit, but not to death yet. :)
> Here's my take on the subject.
>
> > But, can you guys give me all the pros and cons of braided line?
>
> ***Pros:
>
> Unrivaled sensitivity, you'll feel your lure working like never before and
> bites that might have otherwise gone undetected. Thinner diameter means
> there's less resistance in the water and you can use lighter lures in
deeper
> water or current, crankbaits will get deeper than before and the thin
> diameter also means that it cuts weeds much better than mono.
>
> Just about zero stretch means that you'll get better hooksets at longer
> distances.
>
> Unbeatable strength to diameter ratio. Typically I use 50 pound PowerPro,
> which has diameter similar to 14 pound monofilament line. On spinning
> tackle, I use PowerPro 10/4 (10 lb test/4 lb dia.) or 8/2.
>
> More resistant to bite-off's from pike/muskie than mono (highly important
in
> my neck of the woods)
>
> If used on a baitcast reel, kinked line because of a backlash is not a
> problem. Superlines are not weakened by kinking as mono can be.
>
> Exceptional life. Superlines can be used for quite a while, then simply
> spooled onto a different reel. This reverses the line and you can then
> utilize the unused portion for another season. So while the initial cost
is
> higher, by reversing the line, it actually costs less to use than mono.
>
> Cons:
>
> Some people find the noise of the braid coming through the guides
annoying.
>
> No stretch means you have to be more careful about drag setting. No
stretch
> also means that you'll have to be careful with fish when at the boat side.
> A surge with an improper drag setting can tear or straighten hooks and
> result in a lost fish. No stretch also means that you either have to set
> the drag so it slips a little on hooksets, or tone down the MONGO set that
> you're used to doing. Too much hookset or too tight of a drag will result
> in huge, gaping holes torn in a fish's mouth and probably a lost fish. A
> quick wrist snap will usually do.
>
> Some people have problems with the line cutting down into the spool.
Those
> that have this problem have not spooled the line on tight enough. Any
> superline must be wound on under extreme tension or this problem can
occur.
>
> Any superline is slippery, and thus must be secured to the spool of the
> reel. This can be done either by simply taping the line to the spool
after
> it is tied on, or 20 - 30 feet of monofilament line can be tied on as
> backing. If you don't do this, the line will spin on the spool when it is
> under pressure from a hookset or heavy fish.
>
> People think that because the line is not clear, that fish can see it and
> thus it will result in less bites. I have never found this to be a
problem,
> but the simple addition of a mono or flourocarbon leader eliminates this
> gripe.
>
> I like it because I keep more lures longer than with mono as well, many
> snags will come loose, or I can straighten the hooks and retrieve the
lure.
>
>
> >
> > I'd greatly appreciate it. I've used mono all my life, but I'd ike to
> > try one of the braided lines on a few of my baitcasters.
> >
> > What brand is the best in your opinion (I was leaning towards Spider
> > Wire Stealth).....
>
> I still find that PowerPro is the best available on the market today.
I've
> used FireLine and find it all right, but I don't like the Spider Wire
> products.
>
> >
> > Can braided lines ruin the eyes on your rod?
>
> Not unless you're fishing with an extremely cheap rod. Any decent rod
will
> have guides that can withstand the use of PowerPro.
>
> >
> > I've heard people talk about how the color fades....
>
> Personally, I like the line when it fades. It becomes nice and limp.
Plus,
> if fishing crankbaits or spinnerbaits, and the fish looks up from below,
> what is the color of the surface? Light gray/blue, right? PowerPro turns
> gray and blends right in. Some people will take a wide tip magic marker,
> cut a slit in it and camo the line by running the line through the slit.
> But I don't think it's as much of a problem as some think it is.
>
> >
> > How do they cast?
>
> It's been my experience that I get longer casts from broken in superline.
>
> >
> > How often do you re-spool?
>
> About once a season, unless I've cut and re-tied so much that I don't have
> enough line on the spool. Even then, if there's enough line left, I
> occasionally will use fresh mono as a backing line to fill the spool.
>
> >
> > Are they as tough as they say?
>
> I fish for muskies with my bass tackle, throwing spinnerbaits without a
> leader, how tough is that?
>
> >
> > What color is the best?
>
> I like the smoke color.
>
> >
> > Any info you can give me is greatly appreciated.
>
> How's that for information? This is just my experience with the line,
> others milage might vary.
> --
> Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
> http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
> G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
> http://www.herefishyfishy.com
>
>

[RichZ]

Bucket wrote:
> How much of the line do you color with the magic marker? 12 inches? 20
> inches?
>


I color about 6 feet, so if I have to change a lure during the day a few
times, I still have a darkened line to work with.


> Won't the smell of magic marker turn the fish off?
>

No.


RichZ©
www.richz.com/fishing

[Tilman Fliegel]

I really like Superlines, but in my experience they are absolutly NOT pike
safe. I always use a steel leader for Pike, 7 Strand or even 7x7.

[RichZ]

Tilman wrote:
> I really like Superlines, but in my experience they are absolutly NOT pike
> safe. I always use a steel leader for Pike, 7 Strand or even 7x7.
>

I almost never use a wire leader, and I've rarely been bitten off by pike
when using super lines. The only exception to my no-wire preference is that
I'll use 15 pound tyger tieable leader material if I'm using an expensive
(IE, lucky craft) jerkbait in water that is THICK with pike.

RichZ©
www.richz.com/fishing

[Marty]

RichZ > wrote in message ...

> I almost never use a wire leader, and I've rarely been bitten off by pike
> when using super lines. The only exception to my no-wire preference is
that
> I'll use 15 pound tyger tieable leader material if I'm using an expensive
> (IE, lucky craft) jerkbait in water that is THICK with pike.

Rich (or anyone else),

I've never used a superline, but plan to try Fireline this season, probably
14#. How resistant would that be to pike, compared to, say, 10# mono?

Thanks.

[Tilman Fliegel]

Not at all resistant to pikes teeth. Try cutting it with a sharp knife, if
you can, the pike can cut it as well, because its teeth have got razor sharp
edges. If you're serious about pike fishing you need a steel leader or a
"hard mono" type leader of at least 60#, steel being safer and first choice
in most applications.

[J Buck]

<If you're serious about pike fishing you need a steel leader or a "hard
mono" type leader of at least 60#, steel being safer and first choice in
most applications>

I even use steel leaders for pickerel. Lost one too many raunchers with
just regular mono.

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I use s-wire for silver buddy fishing, rat & frog fishing, & going into
heavy cover such as pads or a thick line of weeds.