Todd Enders

[Kevin Vang]

Todd was an interesting guy. We shared a lot of interests:
hunting, flyfishing, homebrewing, and more. He always had
his own eccentric twist on things though. He hunted ducks
with a 10 gauge muzzleloading shotgun. He fished with cane
rods that he built himself. The last rod he built was a
9 foot 9 weight for pike and salmon fishing. He caught a
few salmon with it back in October. He liked to fish in
places that most people ignored, like the State Fairgrounds
pond right here in town. On roff, he was probably best known
for his series of trip reports for bluegill on the pond.
If you google up some of his TRs, you will find them peppered
with smileys :), and that's what a conversation with Todd
was like. He was always cheerful, and overflowing with enthusiasm.
He worked in the IT dept. here at Minot State, and he dropped
in on my office all the time and we would have long rambling
conversations about our latest fishing trips or projects.
Whenever he finished a rod, he would bring it by to show it
off.

You may have noticed an ominous use of the past tense here.
Thursday night Todd had a heart attack, and Friday morning
he was gone. He was 44 years old.

Kevin,
trying really damn hard not to be bitter.
--
reply to:
kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

[Charlie Choc]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:37:13 -0600, Kevin Vang > wrote:

>You may have noticed an ominous use of the past tense here.
>Thursday night Todd had a heart attack, and Friday morning
>he was gone. He was 44 years old.
>
That's a real bummer Kevin.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

[Cyli]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:37:13 -0600, Kevin Vang > wrote:


>You may have noticed an ominous use of the past tense here.
>Thursday night Todd had a heart attack, and Friday morning
>he was gone. He was 44 years old.
>
>Kevin,
>trying really damn hard not to be bitter.

Go right ahead and feel bitter. Sometimes it helps.

Damn. I wanted to read more of his adventures on the pond.

My condolences to those he left behind.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: (strip the .invalid to email)

[riverman]

Oh Damn. Too young, and I don't know if I could aviod being bitter in
your shoes.

I remember his great tale about his new bamboo and catching 3 big
brownies in a row...I'll miss him and his 'remove hook to reply'.

Bye Todd; thanks for being among us.

Myron

[Big Dale]

I will miss Todd and his reports of catching bluegill very much. He was
way too young to go.

Big Dale

[Frank Reid]

> You may have noticed an ominous use of the past tense here.
> Thursday night Todd had a heart attack, and Friday morning
> he was gone. He was 44 years old.

****!
To absent comrades.


--
Frank Reid
Euthanize to respond

[Dave Mohnsen]

"Kevin Vang" > wrote in message
t...
> Todd was an interesting guy.
(snip)
> You may have noticed an ominous use of the past tense here. > Thursday
> night Todd had a heart attack, and Friday morning he was gone. He was 44
> years old.
> Kevin,
> trying really damn hard not to be bitter.

Hi Kevin,
Sorry to hear that news. I enjoyed reading his pond reports about
bluegills. Seemed, to me, a guy who would "always" like going and just
enjoying the "pond". . .and always wanted to learn more about it, and how to
catch some of the critters in it. I'm glad he was willing to share his
stories.
DaveMohnsen
Denver

[bruiser]

That's terrible news, Kevin. Thanks for letting us know. bruce h

[Ken Fortenberry]

Kevin Vang wrote:
> Todd was an interesting guy. ...

Kevin, please convey to his loved ones that he had
friends here he'd never met personally but who knew
of him and his bluegill pond.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Wayne Harrison]

"Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in message
...
> Kevin Vang wrote:
>> Todd was an interesting guy. ...
>
> Kevin, please convey to his loved ones that he had
> friends here he'd never met personally but who knew
> of him and his bluegill pond.

same here.

yfitons
wayno

[Daniel-San]

"Kevin Vang" wrote in message
>
> You may have noticed an ominous use of the past tense here.
> Thursday night Todd had a heart attack, and Friday morning
> he was gone. He was 44 years old.
>
> Kevin,
> trying really damn hard not to be bitter.
> --
> reply to:
> kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

I never knew him -- not in any sense, but it is a horrible shame when
someone so young goes so suddenly.

FWIW, my best to his family and friends.

Dan

[JR]

Kevin Vang wrote:
>
> Thursday night Todd had a heart attack, and Friday morning
> he was gone. He was 44 years old.

Very sad news. My condolences to his family and to you, Kevin, on your
loss.

JR

[Tim J.]

Kevin Vang typed:
<snip>
> Thursday night Todd had a heart attack, and Friday morning
> he was gone. He was 44 years old.

Unfair, to say the least. Todd will be missed here. Please convey my
condolences to the family, and my condolences to you on the loss of your
friend.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

[Tom Nakashima]

"Daniel-San" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kevin Vang" wrote in message
>>
>> You may have noticed an ominous use of the past tense here.
>> Thursday night Todd had a heart attack, and Friday morning
>> he was gone. He was 44 years old.
>>
>> Kevin,
>> trying really damn hard not to be bitter.
>> --
>> reply to:
>> kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu
>
> I never knew him -- not in any sense, but it is a horrible shame when
> someone so young goes so suddenly.
>
> FWIW, my best to his family and friends.
>
> Dan

I also never knew him, but from what I've read, he sounded like a great
person.
My condolences to everyone Todd has touched in his life.
-tom

[Jeff Taylor]

"Kevin Vang" > wrote in message
t...
>
> You may have noticed an ominous use of the past tense here.
> Thursday night Todd had a heart attack, and Friday morning
> he was gone. He was 44 years old.

Sincere condolences to you and the family...

JT

[George Adams]

Kevin Vang wrote:
> Todd was an interesting guy. We shared a lot of interests:
> hunting, flyfishing, homebrewing, and more. He always had
> his own eccentric twist on things though. He hunted ducks
> with a 10 gauge muzzleloading shotgun. He fished with cane
> rods that he built himself. The last rod he built was a
> 9 foot 9 weight for pike and salmon fishing. He caught a
> few salmon with it back in October. He liked to fish in
> places that most people ignored, like the State Fairgrounds
> pond right here in town. On roff, he was probably best known
> for his series of trip reports for bluegill on the pond.
> If you google up some of his TRs, you will find them peppered
> with smileys :), and that's what a conversation with Todd
> was like. He was always cheerful, and overflowing with enthusiasm.
> He worked in the IT dept. here at Minot State, and he dropped
> in on my office all the time and we would have long rambling
> conversations about our latest fishing trips or projects.
> Whenever he finished a rod, he would bring it by to show it
> off.



>
> You may have noticed an ominous use of the past tense here.
> Thursday night Todd had a heart attack, and Friday morning
> he was gone. He was 44 years old.
>
> Kevin,
> trying really damn hard not to be bitter.
> --
> reply to:
> kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

Damn shame. Never knew the man except through ROFF, but anyone who can
fish all day with a 9' 9 wt cane rod has my respect.
Condolences to his family and friends.

[Wayne Knight]

Kevin Vang wrote:

> . He was 44 years old.

Others said it better than I, peace to his family and to you.

[Dave LaCourse]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:37:13 -0600, Kevin Vang > wrote:

>He was 44 years old.

Much too young.

My condolences to his family and all who knew him.

Dave

[Mike Connor]

"Kevin Vang" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
t...
> Todd was an interesting guy.

My condolences.

MC

[[email protected]]

Bugger.

That's ridiculously young.

All the best to yourself and Todd's family Kevin.

Steve

[George Cleveland]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:37:13 -0600, Kevin Vang > wrote:

>Todd was an interesting guy. We shared a lot of interests:
>hunting, flyfishing, homebrewing, and more. He always had
>his own eccentric twist on things though. He hunted ducks
>with a 10 gauge muzzleloading shotgun. He fished with cane
>rods that he built himself. The last rod he built was a
>9 foot 9 weight for pike and salmon fishing. He caught a
>few salmon with it back in October. He liked to fish in
>places that most people ignored, like the State Fairgrounds
>pond right here in town. On roff, he was probably best known
>for his series of trip reports for bluegill on the pond.
>If you google up some of his TRs, you will find them peppered
>with smileys :), and that's what a conversation with Todd
>was like. He was always cheerful, and overflowing with enthusiasm.
>He worked in the IT dept. here at Minot State, and he dropped
>in on my office all the time and we would have long rambling
>conversations about our latest fishing trips or projects.
>Whenever he finished a rod, he would bring it by to show it
>off.
>
>You may have noticed an ominous use of the past tense here.
>Thursday night Todd had a heart attack, and Friday morning
>he was gone. He was 44 years old.
>
>Kevin,
>trying really damn hard not to be bitter.


Incredibly sad.

g.c.

[David Snedeker]

That is mighty young. Sad deal.

Dave

[Wolfgang]

"Kevin Vang" > wrote in message
t...

> ...Todd had a heart attack, and Friday morning
> he was gone. He was 44 years old.

It is a measure of the man that so many who never even met him are saddened
by his loss. Add me to the list.

And say what one will about ROFF, it is a measure of the place that it acts
as a springboard for such connections.

Wolfgang

[Stan Gula]

Frank Reid wrote:
> ****!
> To absent comrades.

Agreed. Way too young. Sorry I never got to meet him. I loved his
bluegill stories.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

[Thomas Littleton]

very sad news, but thank-you for sharing it, Kevin.
Condolances to all of Todd's loved ones. It is heartening to see the
number of responses here, as well.
Tom

[Bob Patton]

"Kevin Vang" > wrote in message
t...
//snip//
>
> You may have noticed an ominous use of the past tense here.
> Thursday night Todd had a heart attack, and Friday morning
> he was gone. He was 44 years old.
>
> Kevin,
> trying really damn hard not to be bitter.

Damn. I was just looking at some stuff last night and thinking about all the
people I'd worked with or gotten to know through TU and other things, and
noting that I've been spending far too much time in the office. Maybe
Christmas (and a wee dram of scotch) does that . . .

This is the last post that shows up on my browser:



"Todd Enders" > wrote in message
...
>
//snip//
> Lucky? Assuredly. :-) I guess if it'd happened to me,
> I'd have adjusted the indicator so that the top dropper was
> hanging maybe a foot below it, and perhaps raise the point
> fly to 3 ft. or so below the indicator, and try that for a
> while, in hope that the fish working nearer the surface wasn't
> just a fluke. :-)
>
> Todd (remove hook to reply)

[BJ Conner]

Kevin Vang wrote:
> Todd was an interesting guy. We shared a lot of interests:
> hunting, flyfishing, homebrewing, and more. He always had
> his own eccentric twist on things though. He hunted ducks
> with a 10 gauge muzzleloading shotgun. He fished with cane
> rods that he built himself. The last rod he built was a
> 9 foot 9 weight for pike and salmon fishing. He caught a
> few salmon with it back in October. He liked to fish in
> places that most people ignored, like the State Fairgrounds
> pond right here in town. On roff, he was probably best known
> for his series of trip reports for bluegill on the pond.
> If you google up some of his TRs, you will find them peppered
> with smileys :), and that's what a conversation with Todd
> was like. He was always cheerful, and overflowing with enthusiasm.
> He worked in the IT dept. here at Minot State, and he dropped
> in on my office all the time and we would have long rambling
> conversations about our latest fishing trips or projects.
> Whenever he finished a rod, he would bring it by to show it
> off.
>
> You may have noticed an ominous use of the past tense here.
> Thursday night Todd had a heart attack, and Friday morning
> he was gone. He was 44 years old.
>
> Kevin,
> trying really damn hard not to be bitter.
> --
> reply to:
> kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

My condolences to those he left behind.
If you get the chance pass the word to his family that he had many
friends that he never met. We all have friends we have never met ( and
may never meet) it doesn't make the loss any less.

[Mu Young Lee]

Todd's enthusiasm frequently reminded me of why I love to fish.

Mu

[John]

My condolences to you and those he left behind. Thank you for sharing so
eloquently.

John

[angler]

Kevin Vang wrote:

> Todd was an interesting guy.

My condolences.

/Roger

[chas]

I'll also miss those stories. Sometimes it feels odd to say "me too" after
thirty others, but I'm hoping it feels just a bit better to know that a lot of
us also feel the loss.

Chas
remove fly fish to e mail directly

[[email protected]]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:37:13 -0600, Kevin Vang > wrote:

>Todd was an interesting guy.
> He was always cheerful, and overflowing with enthusiasm.

>Kevin,


>trying really damn hard not to be bitter.

If there is an afterlife and Todd has an opinion, I'd venture he would
hope you'd not be so. Cheerful and overflowing with enthusiasm don't
quite sync with being bitter. It would seem better to hold in your
heart a good man gone and share his joy of life than to regret...but as
always, YMMV..,

Besides, since you have just been given a real-life lesson in "here
today, gone tomorrow," is "bitter" really the way you'd want to spend
your today?

Condolences to his family and <cheers> to Todd,
R

[Mike]

It's a shame someone so young leaves mortal earth......In the after
life a few days from now he will be fishing ponds streams rivers and
lakes full of fish.........

[riverman]

Yes, death is such a weird unfinished business. Its always hard to
think that someone we were just talking to the other day now 'knows',
but cannot tell. For myself, I have no expectation of an afterlife, or
at best, I look at it like I look at the deposits I made into my
savings account when I was 10 years old. What seemed like a big deal
then is absolutely trivial and insignificant now. I cannot fathom that
whatever meaning I give to the afterlife now will have any meaning or
relevance when (or if) it happens. It would have been best to spend
that quarter when I was 10; and its best to life my life today as if
there is no afterlife.

Nontheless, if mortal thoughts have any impact, and if there IS
anything out there, I know that there are a whole lot of people here
sending out good wishes for a safe afterlife journey for Todd, and who
feel that it was unjust for him to have gone at such an crazy young
age. We share that feeling of it being unresolved and unaccountable.

But even moreso, how are YOU doing Kevin? Losing a friend and comrade
is a horrific, unsettled thing. I hope you're finding a way to deal
with the emotions of these days.

Myron

[Daniel-San]

"riverman" wrote ...
> Yes, death is such a weird unfinished business. Its always hard to
> think that someone we were just talking to the other day now 'knows',
> but cannot tell. For myself, I have no expectation of an afterlife, or
> at best, I look at it like I look at the deposits I made into my
> savings account when I was 10 years old. What seemed like a big deal
> then is absolutely trivial and insignificant now. I cannot fathom that
> whatever meaning I give to the afterlife now will have any meaning or
> relevance when (or if) it happens. It would have been best to spend
> that quarter when I was 10; and its best to life my life today as if
> there is no afterlife.


One of the more interesting passages I've read on ROFF. What do you mean by
the 'as if there's no afterlife' phrase? Do you mean it in the sense of
'carpe diem', etc.? Or more like a rejection of the medieval
'live-to-get-to-heaven' life style? I doubt you're going on willy-nilly sin
binges, I'm just curious. Not trying to start a flame-fest or anything, just
curious.

Dan


>
> Nontheless, if mortal thoughts have any impact, and if there IS
> anything out there, I know that there are a whole lot of people here
> sending out good wishes for a safe afterlife journey for Todd, and who
> feel that it was unjust for him to have gone at such an crazy young
> age. We share that feeling of it being unresolved and unaccountable.
>
> But even moreso, how are YOU doing Kevin? Losing a friend and comrade
> is a horrific, unsettled thing. I hope you're finding a way to deal
> with the emotions of these days.
>
> Myron
>

[riverman]

Daniel-San wrote:
> "riverman" wrote ...
> > Yes, death is such a weird unfinished business. Its always hard to
> > think that someone we were just talking to the other day now 'knows',
> > but cannot tell. For myself, I have no expectation of an afterlife, or
> > at best, I look at it like I look at the deposits I made into my
> > savings account when I was 10 years old. What seemed like a big deal
> > then is absolutely trivial and insignificant now. I cannot fathom that
> > whatever meaning I give to the afterlife now will have any meaning or
> > relevance when (or if) it happens. It would have been best to spend
> > that quarter when I was 10; and its best to life my life today as if
> > there is no afterlife.
>
>
> One of the more interesting passages I've read on ROFF. What do you mean by
> the 'as if there's no afterlife' phrase? Do you mean it in the sense of
> 'carpe diem', etc.? Or more like a rejection of the medieval
> 'live-to-get-to-heaven' life style? I doubt you're going on willy-nilly sin
> binges, I'm just curious. Not trying to start a flame-fest or anything, just
> curious.
>
> Dan
>

Hi Dan:
Yeah, I think the 'carpe diem' sense is the best way to put it.
Discussing things with religious overtones is a delicate matter, but
let me try to put it carefully. Please, don't anyone take offense; this
is a sober thread about a sad event.

It always seemed to me that, despite their insistence to the contrary,
mortals could not possibly understand the subtleties of the afterlife
(or even if there is one), so to choose to live our lives by some
strict set of external rules was a waste of the experience of being
alive. I don't go on 'sin binges' (IOW, acting contrary to my sense of
morals and right and wrong), but instead I indulge myself in enjoying
nature, the pleasant aspects of the world, not being too much of an
asshole, and that feeling of being in beautiful places. Of course,
there are strict fundamentalists who would claim that, if I wasn't
keeping God in the center of my mind (or some other aspect of their
belief system), then doing those things IS a 'sin binge', but you can't
please all the people all of the time. Besides, those are their rules,
not mine.

I choose to enjoy the beauty of this life while I'm living it, not to
spend it investing for a later one which may or may not come, and if it
DOES come, which will almost certainly not look at all like what I
spent 70-90 years preparing for.

--riverman

[Tim J.]

riverman wrote:
> Daniel-San wrote:
>> "riverman" wrote ...
>>> Yes, death is such a weird unfinished business. Its always hard to
>>> think that someone we were just talking to the other day now
>>> 'knows', but cannot tell. For myself, I have no expectation of an
>>> afterlife, or at best, I look at it like I look at the deposits I
>>> made into my savings account when I was 10 years old. What seemed
>>> like a big deal then is absolutely trivial and insignificant now. I
>>> cannot fathom that whatever meaning I give to the afterlife now
>>> will have any meaning or relevance when (or if) it happens. It
>>> would have been best to spend that quarter when I was 10; and its
>>> best to life my life today as if there is no afterlife.
>>
>>
>> One of the more interesting passages I've read on ROFF. What do you
>> mean by the 'as if there's no afterlife' phrase? Do you mean it in
>> the sense of 'carpe diem', etc.? Or more like a rejection of the
>> medieval 'live-to-get-to-heaven' life style? I doubt you're going on
>> willy-nilly sin binges, I'm just curious. Not trying to start a
>> flame-fest or anything, just curious.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>
> Hi Dan:
> Yeah, I think the 'carpe diem' sense is the best way to put it.
> Discussing things with religious overtones is a delicate matter, but
> let me try to put it carefully. Please, don't anyone take offense;
> this is a sober thread about a sad event.
>
> It always seemed to me that, despite their insistence to the contrary,
> mortals could not possibly understand the subtleties of the afterlife
> (or even if there is one), so to choose to live our lives by some
> strict set of external rules was a waste of the experience of being
> alive. I don't go on 'sin binges' (IOW, acting contrary to my sense of
> morals and right and wrong), but instead I indulge myself in enjoying
> nature, the pleasant aspects of the world, not being too much of an
> asshole, and that feeling of being in beautiful places. Of course,
> there are strict fundamentalists who would claim that, if I wasn't
> keeping God in the center of my mind (or some other aspect of their
> belief system), then doing those things IS a 'sin binge', but you
> can't please all the people all of the time. Besides, those are their
> rules, not mine.
>
> I choose to enjoy the beauty of this life while I'm living it, not to
> spend it investing for a later one which may or may not come, and if
> it DOES come, which will almost certainly not look at all like what I
> spent 70-90 years preparing for.

.. . . or 44, which brings us full circle. Just in case, and as threads
like this are wont to do, I've told my wife I love her, called and spoke
to most of my relatives, etc. I hope Todd was able to do the same before
he died, but it's an excercise I highly recommend (and have to regularly
be reminded to do myself.)

I love you, roff. :)
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

[Wolfgang]

"Tim J." > wrote in message
...

> ...I love you, roff. :)

O.k. You can have our Budweiser. :)

Wolfgang

[Ken Fortenberry]

Wolfgang wrote:
> "Tim J." > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>...I love you, roff. :)
>
>
> O.k. You can have our Budweiser. :)

HEY !!! Speak for yourself, Old Milwaukee breath.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Daniel-San]

"riverman" wrote ...
> Daniel-San wrote:
>> "riverman" wrote ...
>> > Yes, death is such a weird unfinished business. Its always hard to
>> > think that someone we were just talking to the other day now 'knows',
>> > but cannot tell. For myself, I have no expectation of an afterlife, or
>> > at best, I look at it like I look at the deposits I made into my
>> > savings account when I was 10 years old. What seemed like a big deal
>> > then is absolutely trivial and insignificant now. I cannot fathom that
>> > whatever meaning I give to the afterlife now will have any meaning or
>> > relevance when (or if) it happens. It would have been best to spend
>> > that quarter when I was 10; and its best to life my life today as if
>> > there is no afterlife.
>>
>>
>> One of the more interesting passages I've read on ROFF. What do you mean
>> by
>> the 'as if there's no afterlife' phrase? Do you mean it in the sense of
>> 'carpe diem', etc.? Or more like a rejection of the medieval
>> 'live-to-get-to-heaven' life style? I doubt you're going on willy-nilly
>> sin
>> binges, I'm just curious. Not trying to start a flame-fest or anything,
>> just
>> curious.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>
> Hi Dan:
> Yeah, I think the 'carpe diem' sense is the best way to put it.
> Discussing things with religious overtones is a delicate matter, but
> let me try to put it carefully. Please, don't anyone take offense; this
> is a sober thread about a sad event.
>

No offense taken. None at all.


> It always seemed to me that, despite their insistence to the contrary,
> mortals could not possibly understand the subtleties of the afterlife
> (or even if there is one), so to choose to live our lives by some
> strict set of external rules was a waste of the experience of being
> alive. I don't go on 'sin binges' (IOW, acting contrary to my sense of
> morals and right and wrong), but instead I indulge myself in enjoying
> nature, the pleasant aspects of the world, not being too much of an
> asshole, and that feeling of being in beautiful places. Of course,
> there are strict fundamentalists who would claim that, if I wasn't
> keeping God in the center of my mind (or some other aspect of their
> belief system), then doing those things IS a 'sin binge', but you can't
> please all the people all of the time. Besides, those are their rules,
> not mine.

Very, very interesting. I was raised a pretty strict Irish Catholic. Guilt
and the church dominated a lot of my upbringing. Strangely, my parents and I
drifted from the church (at least in terms of attendance) at about the same
time, so it was almost too easy to do. Now, 15 years or so later, I find
myself with an odd but very deeply held and unwavering respect for the
Church, while at the same time holding some pretty serious doubts that it's
anything more than Marx's opiate. Factor in the way I see fundamentalism (in
all it's forms) taking an as yet-to-be-determined course on our little
planet, and it makes one wonder if there's any good at all in religion.
FWIW, yours sound like a pretty good set of rules.



>
> I choose to enjoy the beauty of this life while I'm living it, not to
> spend it investing for a later one which may or may not come, and if it
> DOES come, which will almost certainly not look at all like what I
> spent 70-90 years preparing for.

Something tells me that if there is an afterlife, those that made an effort
to live a good life (not necessarily along the lines of a given religion's
definition thereof) will be rewarded.


>
> --riverman

Like Tim said, time to call the family.....

Dan

[riverman]

"Something tells me that if there is an afterlife, those that made an
effort
to live a good life (not necessarily along the lines of a given
religion's
deinition thereof) will be rewarded. "

And I think that this is true even if there ISN'T an afterlife. :-)

--riverman

[chas]

"Daniel-San" > wrote:
>Something tells me that if there is an afterlife, those that made an effort
>to live a good life (not necessarily along the lines of a given religion's
>definition thereof) will be rewarded.
>
If you think about it that presumes that the afterlife is in some way connected
to this life. It presumes that this afterlife is directed in some way we don't
see in this life.

I'm with the original analysis, it's a subject that's beyond our ken. (Not a
capitalization error ;-))

Chas
remove fly fish to e mail directly

[Daniel-San]

"chas" wrote ...
> "Daniel-San" wrote:
>>Something tells me that if there is an afterlife, those that made an
>>effort
>>to live a good life (not necessarily along the lines of a given religion's
>>definition thereof) will be rewarded.
>>
> If you think about it that presumes that the afterlife is in some way
> connected
> to this life.

Yes, but that's the only way my brain can process that thought. Taking an
'afterlife' concept and disconnecting it entirely from the actions of a
person in this world introduces too much randomness for me. I have parts of
my brain that say that there is a god, and that upon death, there is an
afterlife. I also have parts of my brain that say when you die, well, you
just die. Either way, it's something that is outside the realm of my
comprehension.

It presumes that this afterlife is directed in some way we don't
> see in this life.

I think that my thought above is about the best this Catholic-agnostic boy
can muster. What you say makes sense, but it ain't quite making it thru
Sister Therese's 2nd grade programming.


>
> I'm with the original analysis, it's a subject that's beyond our ken.
> (Not a
> capitalization error ;-))
>
> Chas
> remove fly fish to e mail directly
>

Dan

[Kevin Vang]

In article . com>,
says...
> But even moreso, how are YOU doing Kevin? Losing a friend and comrade
> is a horrific, unsettled thing. I hope you're finding a way to deal
> with the emotions of these days.
>

Thanks for asking, but don't worry; I'm pretty sure I'll be ok.
I'm pretty optimistic and cheerful by nature. (Not that I don't
feel pretty gloomy at times like these...) Thanks also to everybody
who replied on this thread. I printed out a copy of the thread on
Wed. evening and left it for Todd's family at the funeral yesterday.
I hope it gives them a little solace.

The ice should start melting off Todd's pond in about 4 months or so.
When it does, I'll toss the 3-weight and a couple beers into the
truck, and see if any bluegill made it through the winter. Watch
for the TR.

Kevin
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[Frank Church]

"Thomas Littleton" > wrote in news:jc5lf.2008
$Jg5.1113@trnddc07:

> very sad news, but thank-you for sharing it, Kevin.
> Condolances to all of Todd's loved ones. It is heartening to see the
> number of responses here, as well.

....I hate "me too'ism", but in this case it's OK. Like others here I will
miss his bluegill stories on "the pond" and his obvious enthusiasm for his
flyfishing adventures. Waay too young to go, but now he's probably fishing
waters full of gills and trout. RIP Todd and condolences to your family and
all that you touched here on ROFF and elsewhere.

Frank Church