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B J Conner
September 20th, 2003, 04:06 AM
And don't forget the 50 Cal ammo box in case you have to go potty.

"Bob Weinberger" > wrote in message
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>
> "riverman" > wrote in message
...
> <snip>
> > Does anyone know more
> > about whether they allow fishermen in float tubes? What about fishermen
in
> > small rafts, or canoes? The line between fishermen and recreational
boaters
> > can get quickly fuzzed...
> >
> > --riverman
>
> On the Deschutes, anyone using a floating device ( including fishermen in
float tubes), is required
> to purchase a permit.
>
>
> --
> Bob Weinberger - La Grande, OR
>
> Remove "invalid" and place a dot between bobs and stuff to reply email
>
>

Marshall Krasser
September 20th, 2003, 04:18 AM
Thanks for the accurate source!

-M


riverman wrote:

> "Marshall Krasser" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Argh, any Nor. Cal. ROFFian out there who has a pontoon boat
> > but needs someone to shuttle with them? I've got my pontoon
> > but I have not found any shuttle services on our rivers.
> >
> > I'm itching to try my boat out. My Pontoon is rated Class 3 white water.
> >
> > River Classifications . . .
> > CLASS 1... Slowly flowing water. No rapids. No maneuvering required.
> > CLASS 2... Slowly flowing water. Some waves and minor rapids. Very
> > little maneuvering required.
> > CLASS 3... Swift current with minor obstacles. Substantial Rapids,
> > maneuvering required. Should not be attempted without
> > an experienced guide.
> > SOURCE: http://clickbrochure.com/whitewater/brochure.html
> >
> >
> Hey Marshall. Get the correct river classification rating system from the
> authentic source; American Whitewater. The 'informal' system you quote above
> is in a commercial brochure trying to sell trips. Here is the real McCoy,
> found at
> http://www.americanwhitewater.org/oldawa/awa/safety/safety.html#Rating%20Scale. I
> strongly suggest being very conservative as you start; class 3 is a lot
> bigger than most beginners are led to believe.
>
> RIVER DIFFICULTY RATING SCALE
> Class I: Easy. Fast moving water with riffles and small waves. Few
> obstructions, all obvious and easily missed with little training. Risk to
> swimmers is slight; self-rescue is easy.
>
> Class II: Novice. Straightforward rapids with wide, clear channels which are
> evident without scouting. Occasional maneuvering may be required, but rocks
> and medium sized waves are easily missed by trained paddlers. Swimmers are
> seldom injured and group assistance, while helpful, is seldom needed. Rapids
> that are at the upper end of this difficulty range are designated "Class
> II+".
>
> Class III: Intermediate. Rapids with moderate, irregular waves which may be
> difficult to avoid and which can swamp an open canoe. Complex maneuvers in
> fast current and good boat control in tight passages or around ledges are
> often required; large waves or strainers may be present but are easily
> avoided. Strong eddies and powerful current effects can be found,
> particularly on large-volume rivers. Scouting is advisable for inexperienced
> parties. Injuries while swimming are rare; self-rescue is usually easy but
> group assistance may be required to avoid long swims. Rapids that are at the
> lower or upper end of this difficulty range are designated "Class III-" or
> "Class III+" respectively.
>
> Class IV: Advanced. Intense, powerful but predictable rapids requiring
> precise boat handling in turbulent water. Depending on the character of the
> river, it may feature large, unavoidable waves and holes or constricted
> passages demanding fast maneuvers under pressure. A fast, reliable eddy turn
> may be needed to initiate maneuvers, scout rapids, or rest. Rapids may
> require ômust'' moves above dangerous hazards. Scouting may be necessary the
> first time down. Risk of injury to swimmers is moderate to high, and water
> conditions may make self-rescue difficult. Group assistance for rescue is
> often essential but requires practiced skills. A strong Eskimo roll is
> highly recommended. Rapids that are at the upper end of this difficulty
> range are designated "Class IV-" or "Class IV+" respectively.
>
> Class 5: Expert. Extremely long, obstructed, or very violent rapids which
> expose a paddler to added risk. Drops may contain large, unavoidable waves
> and holes or steep, congested chutes with complex, demanding routes. Rapids
> may continue for long distances between pools, demanding a high level of
> fitness. What eddies exist may be small, turbulent, or difficult to reach.
> At the high end of the scale, several of these factors may be combined.
> Scouting is Recommended but may be difficult. Swims are dangerous, and
> rescue is often difficult even for experts. A very reliable Eskimo roll,
> proper equipment, extensive experience, and practiced rescue skills are
> essential. Because of the large range of difficulty that exists beyond class
> IV, Class 5 is an open ended, multiple level scale designated by Class 5.0,
> 5.1, 5.2, etc... Each of these levels is an order of magnitude more
> difficult than the last. Example: Increasing difficulty from class 5.0 to
> class 5.1 is a similar order of magnitude as increasing from class IV to
> Class 5.0.
>
> Class VI: Extreme and Exploratory. These runs have almost never been
> attempted and often exemplify the extremes of difficulty, unpredictability
> and danger. The consequences of errors are very severe and rescue may be
> impossible. For teams of experts only, at favorable water levels, after
> close personal inspection and taking all precautions. After a Class VI
> rapids has been run many times, It's rating may be changed to an
> apppropriate Class 5.x rating.
>
> --riverman

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Marshall Krasser
September 20th, 2003, 05:24 AM
Hi everyone, thanks for all of the information!!

Larry, I am willing to try any rivers. I should have some
time in October. So I'll give you a yell.

-Marshall

Larry Linthicum wrote:

> I have a couple WaterMaster kickboats and mostly use them in Montana because
> there aren't many good places ( cept stillwaters ) for them in Cal.
>
> But the Lower Sac is one and you can get shuttle up there
>
> And the Lower Yuba is one that is floated and I've wanted to try, don't know
> about shuttle
>
> I float the lower Stanislaus in early season and the last time I paid
> a guy camping at my desired takeout $5 to drive me to the put in (
> WaterMaster far easier than a pontoon, to bum a ride ) I've considered the
> Merced below Hoffman
>
> There are several "moving impoundments" in Cal that require a floating
> device, on which I use an anchor to stop and fish, ..Baum Lake, another
> afterbay,
> and a "millpond" I fish ... but they are slow enough you can row against the
> current and don't need shuttle ... a float tube will work on them, too
>
> I'd be interested in a float and in what areas you find to float Most high
> Sierra streams are too high a gradient, but there are other possibilities,
> the Feather? The Truckee? The American?
>
> But, many places you "could" float have good wade access .... if the boat
> doesn't give access otherwise unavailable .. I think using one is unwise

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Marshall Krasser
September 20th, 2003, 05:26 AM
Thanks one I never thought about. I'm guessing it
should be empty however ;)

-M

B J Conner wrote:

> And don't forget the 50 Cal ammo box in case you have to go potty.
>
> "Bob Weinberger" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "riverman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > <snip>
> > > Does anyone know more
> > > about whether they allow fishermen in float tubes? What about fishermen
> in
> > > small rafts, or canoes? The line between fishermen and recreational
> boaters
> > > can get quickly fuzzed...
> > >
> > > --riverman
> >
> > On the Deschutes, anyone using a floating device ( including fishermen in
> float tubes), is required
> > to purchase a permit.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bob Weinberger - La Grande, OR
> >
> > Remove "invalid" and place a dot between bobs and stuff to reply email
> >
> >

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Larry L
September 20th, 2003, 06:26 AM
Cool thanks Sid,

I "kinda figured" they might

What's a good time of year, don't have my regs close ... does the Yuba close
Oct 1 for the Salmon like some others down here?

Sid Heaton
September 20th, 2003, 07:14 AM
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 04:56:51 GMT, Marshall Krasser
> wrote:

>Argh, any Nor. Cal. ROFFian out there who has a pontoon boat
>but needs someone to shuttle with them? I've got my pontoon
>but I have not found any shuttle services on our rivers.
>
>Ideally within 4-5 hours of San Francisco.
>

Sycamore Campground will do a shuttle on the Lower Yuba for you. The
float itself is a breeze.

- Sid

Sid Heaton
September 22nd, 2003, 07:59 AM
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 05:26:07 GMT, "Larry L"
> wrote:

>What's a good time of year, don't have my regs close ... does the Yuba close
>Oct 1 for the Salmon like some others down here?
>

It closes above the Hwy 20 bridge on Sept 1st to protect salmon, but
it's open year round below. Flows are way down from the heights seen
during the summer agricultural releases...down from 3K CFS to the
700-800 range. Still, it's a nice time to float it...some good
birdwatching in addition to the fishing!

See ya,

- Sid

Sierra fisher
September 23rd, 2003, 01:22 AM
One of the best drifts, and a very easy one is the Yuba river below Nevada
City. You put in at the HWY 20 bridge and float down to the Sycamore Ranch
camp ground. they will ferry your car for a very modest amount. It is
about a5 mile drift with normally good fishng. the Sycamore Ranceh
campground can be reaced at 1(530)741-1190.

To other possibilites are the Sacramenta at Redding (land, tie up your
boat, call a taxi to get back to your car) and the American in Sacrament
(same routine, or carry your bike, tie up your boat, cycle back for your
car).

On the Father in Oroville stay in the
camp ground on WHY 70 and they will move your car for a fee.

I'm lookin into some of new small electric or gas scooters for $300 of so
tht you could carry on your boat. Have to research the licensing and
whether you can drive on on a highway.

"Marshall Krasser" > wrote in message
...
> Argh, any Nor. Cal. ROFFian out there who has a pontoon boat
> but needs someone to shuttle with them? I've got my pontoon
> but I have not found any shuttle services on our rivers.
>
> I'm itching to try my boat out. My Pontoon is rated Class 3 white water.
>
> River Classifications . . .
> CLASS 1... Slowly flowing water. No rapids. No maneuvering required.
> CLASS 2... Slowly flowing water. Some waves and minor rapids. Very
> little maneuvering required.
> CLASS 3... Swift current with minor obstacles. Substantial Rapids,
> maneuvering required. Should not be attempted without
> an experienced guide.
> SOURCE: http://clickbrochure.com/whitewater/brochure.html
>
> O.K. I'll go for a Class 1 or 2 to start. Anyone with some ideas?
> Ideally within 4-5 hours of San Francisco.
>
> Hmm, Could we actually do a S. Oregon/N. Cal Clave?
>
> -Marshall
>
> --
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>
>


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Larry L
September 23rd, 2003, 02:03 AM
I'm looking for something to do this Wed to Fri ( I could stay longer but
usually avoid weekends ) ... is the Yuba a good bet this time of year?

In years past I've put up the rods ( except Striper rod ) and taken out the
shotguns by now, so I have very little Fall fishing experience