caddis hatch galore

[eric paul zamora]

hello everybody. i am what is called a newbie to fly fishing. still
learning to cast (experiencing some gloriously smooth casts, but not all the
time ;-) and now working on reading water and trying to figure out what to
pitch to the trout in my central california rivers and streams.

the purpose of writing is to share something i hadn't exerienced yet, until
saturday evening.

i was standing in my hip waders in the knee high flowing water of the Kings
River saturday evening. it was a very quick trip after work where i managed
to get to the water 20 minutes before it went dark (a lady friend said she
wanted to "watch me fish." sheesh). i noticed a few bugs flying about when
i arrived. trying to focus on them i couldn't quite make them out and i
couldn't catch one easily. within minutes, they were everywhere. crawling
all over my arms and my shirt, partially obscuring my eyeglassees were small
little brownish caddis flies, with light greyish wings. i read and read
about hatches but hadn't experienced one yet. pretty cool. this hatch
lasted about 20 minutes, about the same time i decided to call it quits
because i simply couldn't see any longer.

didn't catch anything from the river though. dang. local fishing report is
saying the full moon means the trout (specifically) are feeding at night and
laying REALLY low during daylight hours.

eric zamora
fresno, ca.

[Larry L]

Getting closer to the awesome magnificence of Nature is my main reason for
fishing and hunting

Hatches can be a true spectacle and I'm sure I'll never tire of watching
them and the feeding fish and birds they inspire.

welcome to the club ... fly fishing offers many wonderful things besides
catching fish


but,

they were feeding, full moon or not <G> Try soft hackles ( a Partridge
and Hares Ear, from your bug description ) or sparkle pupa, or Iris caddis
or other emerger. MOST times a true dry caddis imitation ( EHC type
patterns ) will not work well during an actual emergence itself though they
are great during egglaying and good prospecting, non hatch time, patterns.

One last bit of Old Fart's advice ( I have no clue what your experience
level is ... so no offense intended :-) "lady friends" that like you and
the outdoors enough to want to watch you fish are very rare and usually
deserving of special appreciation and consideration <G>

[Tim J.]

"Larry L" wrote...
<snip>
> "lady friends" that like you and
> the outdoors enough to want to watch you fish are very rare and usually
> deserving of special appreciation and consideration <G>

.. . . or should be watched carefully and suspiciously. She may have just wanted
to see if he was using a T&T with a Hardy reel or a KPOS with a Pflueger. :)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

[Graham Knight]

Larry L wrote:
> "lady friends" that like you and
> the outdoors enough to want to watch you fish are very rare and usually
> deserving of special appreciation and consideration <G>
>

I like it when she gets in the water and starts fishing too. I
particularly like it when she has learned how to tie her own knots. :-)

Graham

--

And as an afterthought, this must too be told,
Some people are taking pure bull****, and turning it into gold.
- Grandpa Green (Greendale, CA USA)

What's happening in Idledale? Not Much! http://www.idledale.com/

[no]

In article >,
"Tim J." > wrote:

> . . . or should be watched carefully and suspiciously. She may have just
> wanted
> to see if he was using a T&T with a Hardy reel or a KPOS with a Pflueger. :)


Whats the significance of a Hardy reel or a pflueger? I have a hardy
reel in my tackle box that belonged to my grandfather that I dont use
because its not automatic.

[George Adams]

>From: no

> "Tim J." > wrote:

>> . . . or should be watched carefully and suspiciously. She may have just
>> wanted
>> to see if he was using a T&T with a Hardy reel or a KPOS with a Pflueger.
>:)

>Whats the significance of a Hardy reel or a pflueger? I have a hardy
>reel in my tackle box that belonged to my grandfather that I dont use
>because its not automatic.

Whoosh! ===>

(or maybe a little late season trolling?)


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

[Tim J.]

"no" wrote...
> "Tim J." wrote:
>
> > . . . or should be watched carefully and suspiciously. She may have just
> > wanted
> > to see if he was using a T&T with a Hardy reel or a KPOS with a Pflueger.
:)
>
> Whats the significance of a Hardy reel or a pflueger? I have a hardy
> reel in my tackle box that belonged to my grandfather that I dont use
> because its not automatic.

It's a useless POS. You should get rid of it immediately lest all of your tackle
turn to mush. To properly dispose of this reel without damaging the environment,
send it to:

Tim Johnson
c/o Solutions by Computer, Inc.
191 Chestnut Street
Springfield, MA 01103

I just hope I've informed you in time.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

[no]

In article >,
(George Adams) wrote:

> >From: no
>
> > "Tim J." > wrote:
>
> >> . . . or should be watched carefully and suspiciously. She may have just
> >> wanted
> >> to see if he was using a T&T with a Hardy reel or a KPOS with a Pflueger.
> >:)
>
> >Whats the significance of a Hardy reel or a pflueger? I have a hardy
> >reel in my tackle box that belonged to my grandfather that I dont use
> >because its not automatic.
>
> Whoosh! ===>

What?

> (or maybe a little late season trolling?)

No, I honestly do not use it. Have never even tried it. I am not going
to give it away tho, as a fly shop looked up the model number and it
goes for about $300 new.

I honestly use a automatic instead (A cheap one) because I just like
clicking on the automatic and having the line go in. Reeling it seems
like it would be a pain.

What is really sad is their were a bunch of bamboo fly rods from my
grandfather at my parents, plus the automatic that came with my fenwick,
and they throw them out/ sold them for pennies at a garage sale/gave
them to charity when they moved.

[Mu Young Lee]

Well keep us updated. I'm interested in visiting your neck of the woods
sometime soon.

Mu
Redondo Beach, CA

[eric paul zamora]

yeah, she likes me. i'm still trying to figure out why... ;-)

but i hope she NEVER actually takes up fishing. she'd probably CATCH
something and then where would my ego be? <--a tad bit of self-deprecating
humor there)

i'm sure they were dining on something but i wasn't aware of it and simply
did not have time to try anything more in the faded light. i think a
spinning buddy of mine and i are going to revisit the lower Kings River
again on wednesday (tomorrow/today). have to be back home by 6pm to pick up
my little girl.

i might have next week free (from work). tioga pass road through yosemite,
dropping down to lee vining/mono lake area should be closing once the first
storm approaches. this usually happens sometime in november, so there's an
option to take 2-3 days and devote it to a trip for fishing right now. can
anybody suggest a place to fish for trout? my buddy kurt has been fishing
for the last 2 months and i swear, for some reason, he hasn't caught a damn
thing. frustration is mounting for him and i feel bad. he wants to take up
fly fishing but he's throwing up a mental block for now. he thinks if he
can't get the hang of spinning tackle how can he learn fly technique? horse
to water, horse to water, for now.

if i cross over tioga, i (we) can head up to the bridgeport area, or down
towards june lake loop and mammoth or even the owens river valley. i
personally prefer stream fishing but would be open to lake fishing if it
might help his chances.

thanks


eric zamora
fresno, ca.




> From: Graham Knight >
> Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:15:21 -0600
> Subject: Re: caddis hatch galore
>
>
>
> Larry L wrote:
>> "lady friends" that like you and
>> the outdoors enough to want to watch you fish are very rare and usually
>> deserving of special appreciation and consideration <G>
>>
>
> I like it when she gets in the water and starts fishing too. I
> particularly like it when she has learned how to tie her own knots. :-)
>
> Graham
>
> --
>
> And as an afterthought, this must too be told,
> Some people are taking pure bull****, and turning it into gold.
> - Grandpa Green (Greendale, CA USA)
>
> What's happening in Idledale? Not Much! http://www.idledale.com/
>

[no]

In article >,
eric paul zamora > wrote:

> yeah, she likes me. i'm still trying to figure out why... ;-)
>
> but i hope she NEVER actually takes up fishing. she'd probably CATCH
> something and then where would my ego be? <--a tad bit of self-deprecating
> humor there)
>
> i'm sure they were dining on something but i wasn't aware of it and simply
> did not have time to try anything more in the faded light. i think a
> spinning buddy of mine and i are going to revisit the lower Kings River
> again on wednesday (tomorrow/today). have to be back home by 6pm to pick up
> my little girl.
>
> i might have next week free (from work). tioga pass road through yosemite,
> dropping down to lee vining/mono lake area should be closing once the first
> storm approaches. this usually happens sometime in november, so there's an
> option to take 2-3 days and devote it to a trip for fishing right now. can
> anybody suggest a place to fish for trout? my buddy kurt has been fishing
> for the last 2 months and i swear, for some reason, he hasn't caught a damn
> thing. frustration is mounting for him and i feel bad. he wants to take up
> fly fishing but he's throwing up a mental block for now. he thinks if he
> can't get the hang of spinning tackle how can he learn fly technique? horse
> to water, horse to water, for now.
>
> if i cross over tioga, i (we) can head up to the bridgeport area, or down
> towards june lake loop and mammoth or even the owens river valley. i
> personally prefer stream fishing but would be open to lake fishing if it
> might help his chances.

East walker river, hot creek, san juoquin river at devils postpile.

[eric paul zamora]

what's the water level like at the san joaquin near devil's postpile? i've
been reading the fishing reports and if i remember correctly, the level was
exceptionally low... is this right or was i up too late at night surfing
again with bleary eyes?


eric zamora
fresno, ca.



> From: no >
> Organization: no
> Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:53:55 GMT
> Subject: Re: caddis hatch galore | eastern sierra trip?
>
> In article >,
> eric paul zamora > wrote:
>
>> yeah, she likes me. i'm still trying to figure out why... ;-)
>>
>> but i hope she NEVER actually takes up fishing. she'd probably CATCH
>> something and then where would my ego be? <--a tad bit of self-deprecating
>> humor there)
>>
>> i'm sure they were dining on something but i wasn't aware of it and simply
>> did not have time to try anything more in the faded light. i think a
>> spinning buddy of mine and i are going to revisit the lower Kings River
>> again on wednesday (tomorrow/today). have to be back home by 6pm to pick up
>> my little girl.
>>
>> i might have next week free (from work). tioga pass road through yosemite,
>> dropping down to lee vining/mono lake area should be closing once the first
>> storm approaches. this usually happens sometime in november, so there's an
>> option to take 2-3 days and devote it to a trip for fishing right now. can
>> anybody suggest a place to fish for trout? my buddy kurt has been fishing
>> for the last 2 months and i swear, for some reason, he hasn't caught a damn
>> thing. frustration is mounting for him and i feel bad. he wants to take up
>> fly fishing but he's throwing up a mental block for now. he thinks if he
>> can't get the hang of spinning tackle how can he learn fly technique? horse
>> to water, horse to water, for now.
>>
>> if i cross over tioga, i (we) can head up to the bridgeport area, or down
>> towards june lake loop and mammoth or even the owens river valley. i
>> personally prefer stream fishing but would be open to lake fishing if it
>> might help his chances.
>
> East walker river, hot creek, san juoquin river at devils postpile.

[Larry L]

The report at http://www.thetroutfly.com/fishreport.cfm is usually pretty
accurate, honest and up to date

If you have float tubes Crowley produces some really nice fish, midges right
near the bottom, below an indicator, or Perch fry imitations on sinking
lines ( olive crystal buggers, or Matukas, ... spinners ought to work )

Just about any of the many lakes above Mammoth "should" produce, most are
well stocked ... as are any in the June lake area ( the streams over there
too )

The Carson "might" be the best bet for both methods on a stream ... BUT
DISCLAIMER : I haven't fished a spinner in 35+ years and do NOT know the
regulations for the Carson ... it's not my cup of tea and I've only been
there twice


I "may" hop over there tommorrow, myself, for 3 to 5 days. ( given
completion of my honey-dos, ) If I go I will "probably" fish Hot very
early until it gets too crowded, then Crowley until the wind becomes a bitch
.... then take a nice afternoon nap or tie some flies and go back out to one
of the lakes for the last light midge\ callibaetis\ whatever action. There
are lots of other options, and just about any water in the area has trout
.... it's kind of a "what mood am I in" deal. I "guess" it's called the
Lower Owens ( I know how to get there but not sure how the crowd refers to
the area ) might be a good bet, if spinning is legal ... fun twisty,
meadowy, water with deep undercuts that might fish well with both methods.

But given the desire to catch, the smaller lakes will provide the best bet,
day after day, but not the biggest or most rewarding fish. Tubes would
help, but aren't essential

[Bill Mason]

"eric paul zamora" > wrote in message
...
>
> or even the owens river valley. i
> personally prefer stream fishing but would be open to lake fishing if it
> might help his chances.
>

If you visit the lower Owens it should be possible to set your friend up
with a very spin-castable indicator-nymph rig that is essentially identical
to the one you would be using on your flyrod. The river is narrow and the
flows are low right now, so he shouldn't have much trouble lobbing out his
offering, especially with a longer rod. I've thought about doing this for
my spin fishing wife, but when I told her she would be wading the
conversation ended. Just a thought.

Cheers,
Bill

[brians]

eric paul zamora wrote:

> if i cross over tioga, i (we) can head up to the bridgeport area, or down
> towards june lake loop and mammoth or even the owens river valley. i
> personally prefer stream fishing but would be open to lake fishing if it
> might help his chances.

Eric,
I was in the Bridgeport area last weekend. Fished the West Walker and
took a quick look at the East Walker. The West was wall to wall
fisherman. Manage to catch a handful, then headed over to the East
Walker. Water there is still very dirty, and reports are it's fishing
tough. Most of the lakes in the area require a float tube.

brians

[Willi]

Bill Mason wrote:

> "eric paul zamora" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>or even the owens river valley. i
>>personally prefer stream fishing but would be open to lake fishing if it
>>might help his chances.
>>
>
>
> If you visit the lower Owens it should be possible to set your friend up
> with a very spin-castable indicator-nymph rig that is essentially identical
> to the one you would be using on your flyrod. The river is narrow and the
> flows are low right now, so he shouldn't have much trouble lobbing out his
> offering, especially with a longer rod. I've thought about doing this for
> my spin fishing wife, but when I told her she would be wading the
> conversation ended. Just a thought.


I knew a guy who was probably the most effective nymph fisherman I ever
met. He used a fly rod with a strange spin casting reel on it that faced
sideways instead of toward the guides and end of the rod. I have no idea
why he used that type of reel but it was mostly irrelevent because he
didn't often cast in the conventional sense. He normally just used a
tension cast. From what I remember, it was a long time ago, he used six
pound test and tied tippet onto the mono line. He fished his nymphs
pretty much in the same manner as a conventional fly fisherman would,
but with the 6 pound mono instead of a fly line, mending wasn't
necessary and he was able to get VERY good, long drag free drifts. The
guy was very talented but the mono line instead of a flyline has some
real advantages. I played around with it some and it was effective but
not my cup of tea.

Willi

[a-happy-up-yours]

Willi wrote:
>
>
> Bill Mason wrote:
>
>> "eric paul zamora" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> or even the owens river valley. i
>>> personally prefer stream fishing but would be open to lake fishing if it
>>> might help his chances.
>>>
>>
>>
>> If you visit the lower Owens it should be possible to set your friend up
>> with a very spin-castable indicator-nymph rig that is essentially
>> identical
>> to the one you would be using on your flyrod. The river is narrow and
>> the
>> flows are low right now, so he shouldn't have much trouble lobbing out
>> his
>> offering, especially with a longer rod. I've thought about doing this
>> for
>> my spin fishing wife, but when I told her she would be wading the
>> conversation ended. Just a thought.
>
>
>
> I knew a guy who was probably the most effective nymph fisherman I ever
> met. He used a fly rod with a strange spin casting reel on it that faced
> sideways instead of toward the guides and end of the rod. I have no idea
> why he used that type of reel but it was mostly irrelevent because he
> didn't often cast in the conventional sense. He normally just used a
> tension cast. From what I remember, it was a long time ago, he used six
> pound test and tied tippet onto the mono line. He fished his nymphs
> pretty much in the same manner as a conventional fly fisherman would,
> but with the 6 pound mono instead of a fly line, mending wasn't
> necessary and he was able to get VERY good, long drag free drifts. The
> guy was very talented but the mono line instead of a flyline has some
> real advantages. I played around with it some and it was effective but
> not my cup of tea.
>
> Willi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
I'm reluctant to admit this in a public forum, but 25+ years ago, I used
(still have it) a 10 foot 8 weight (POS) rod with a (Oh, God....) Diawa
"Underspin" reel (tiny, closed face spinning reel) fitted to the reel
seat. Reel control is via a little lever that's operated by your pinkie
(well, walt claims *he* has a pinkie, but I never looked). With 4 pound
test mono, it was a deadly outfit and could dispatch a tiny spinner to
remarkable distances.

Now that I've seen the light and no longer harbor such inclinations, I
*never* think of such aberrant behavior. Well, not often...

I wish I could say that I feel better now, having 'fessed-up, but I'm
sure that the descent into the maelstrom is just beginning...........


Tom

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