first buck

[Frank Reid]

> Also obROFF, how do you cure deer hide for flytying hair? I have enough
> deer hair to last me the rest of my life.

Best bet is to stick the hide in the freezer and find a local tanner
(sometimes your local taxidermist will do it on the side).
I got a Winter killed Maine whitetail hide about 8 years ago from a Senior
NCO I worked with. I still have about 3/4 left and I was tying a crap load
of deer hair flies.

--
Frank Reid
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[daytripper]

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:50:02 -0700, rw >
wrote:

>Frank Reid wrote:
>>>Also obROFF, how do you cure deer hide for flytying hair? I have enough
>>>deer hair to last me the rest of my life.
>>
>>
>> Best bet is to stick the hide in the freezer and find a local tanner
>> (sometimes your local taxidermist will do it on the side).
>
>This hide is so mangled from my pathetic field dressing that I'd be
>ashamed to take it to a professional. Anyway, I'm cheap and I like to do
>things for myself. I don't need a nice, tanned hide. I just need
>something that won't stink too bad for at least a few years.

Stretch the hide out fat-side up/hair-side down over a piece of plywood and
tack down the perimeter (lots of 6d nails ought to work) then get yerself a
really sharp scraping blade and take off every bit of fat.

Then cover the skin with Boraxo powder, let it rest for a couple of days, then
dump off the old Boraxo and cover it with new. Repeat with increasing length
cycles until the Boraxo stops pulling ooze out of the hide, wash the hide well
in cool water, hang it to dry well with a bit of ventilation, and you should
be good to go.

The important thing is to get all the fat off first...

/daytripper (It's been 30 years since my last Colorado mule deer. Wow...)

[rw]

I killed my first buck today -- a two-point mule deer. I spooked him
while I was stalking a bugling elk. Hello buck, goodbye bull. Running
shot at about 75 yards. I field dressed him without ever having seen it
done, except on a videotape. Tomorrow I'll take a horse up about 2000
feet and down about 500 feet, and back, to pack out the meat, and maybe
meet up with Mr. Bull. On the way to the trailhead, in the back of my
mind, I was almost hoping I didn't encounter a legal elk. If I had, I'd
still be up there, skinning it out. :-)

ObROFF: There's some excellent cutthroat fishing in this drainage. I
posted some links to photos of the creek a couple of months ago.

Also obROFF, how do you cure deer hide for flytying hair? I have enough
deer hair to last me the rest of my life.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

[rw]

Frank Reid wrote:
>>Also obROFF, how do you cure deer hide for flytying hair? I have enough
>>deer hair to last me the rest of my life.
>
>
> Best bet is to stick the hide in the freezer and find a local tanner
> (sometimes your local taxidermist will do it on the side).

This hide is so mangled from my pathetic field dressing that I'd be
ashamed to take it to a professional. Anyway, I'm cheap and I like to do
things for myself. I don't need a nice, tanned hide. I just need
something that won't stink too bad for at least a few years.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

[Darin Minor]

daytripper wrote:

> Then cover the skin with Boraxo powder, let it rest for a couple of days, then
> dump off the old Boraxo and cover it with new. Repeat with increasing length
> cycles until the Boraxo stops pulling ooze out of the hide, wash the hide well
> in cool water, hang it to dry well with a bit of ventilation, and you should
> be good to go.

Remember that it Boraxo and NOT Borax. I've also heard that a warm place to do all
of this is very helpful.

Darin

[Kevin Vang]

In article >,
says...

>
> Stretch the hide out fat-side up/hair-side down over a piece of plywood and
> tack down the perimeter (lots of 6d nails ought to work) then get yerself a
> really sharp scraping blade and take off every bit of fat.
>
> Then cover the skin with Boraxo powder, let it rest for a couple of days, then
> dump off the old Boraxo and cover it with new. Repeat with increasing length
> cycles until the Boraxo stops pulling ooze out of the hide, wash the hide well
> in cool water, hang it to dry well with a bit of ventilation, and you should
> be good to go.



What he said, but if you don't have any borax, use salt instead.

And when you bring the meat home, I recommend you remove the
tenderloins, slice them into butterfly chops about 1.5 in. thick,
grill for about 2 minutes on each side over very hot coals, and
serve with your best bottle of red wine. I'm partial to Aussie
shiraz myself, but ymmv.

Congrats,

Kevin

[Warren]

wrote...
> Stretch the hide out fat-side up/hair-side down over a piece of plywood and
> tack down the perimeter (lots of 6d nails ought to work) then get yerself a
> really sharp scraping blade and take off every bit of fat.
>
> Then cover the skin with Boraxo powder, let it rest for a couple of days, then
> dump off the old Boraxo and cover it with new. Repeat with increasing length
> cycles until the Boraxo stops pulling ooze out of the hide, wash the hide well
> in cool water, hang it to dry well with a bit of ventilation, and you should
> be good to go.
>
> The important thing is to get all the fat off first...

This is one way of doing it, but IMO it sucks in terms of fly tying. What you
end up with is a huge, rigid hide that is a bitch to handle. Trying to cut
into strips after curing the hide sucks the farts out of dead chickens. I
ended up throwing mine away after trying this method. I would recommend
tanning the hide so that it remains supple enough that you can fold it, store
it and cut it into workable strips that will remain flexible. The scraping
part and all is right on the money, but Cabela's used to sell a tanning agent
that supposedly works very well.

Check out:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?S3D711A36

My advice would be to tan the hide (follow the directions on the juice) and
then cut it into strips and label the strips on the tanned side with a
permanent marker as to what part of the hide they came from. Each area has
hair suitable for different flies (spinning hair vs wing hair etc). That's my
plan for this year. ;-)

Or you could simply "sell" the hide where you have processed at to lower the
cost of the processing and buy damn good deer/elk hair from Madison River
Fishing Company and save all the hassle.... <g>
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt (at) yahoo to reply via email)

[theflyguy]

Just had to get my 2 cents in. A couple of years ago I was walking down a
road and there was a grouse up the path. For some reason I decided to it
would be a good idea to through a rock at it. Well sure enough I hit the dam
thing (and it has been on my contience ever since)
Instead of letting it go to waste this is the cheap easy way to perserve
it. It also works on deer hide.

1. put it on a board (inside out) and stretch it as much as you can
without ripping it.
2. scrape as much of the fat as you can.
3. Take pickling salt and water and emerse the hide and board into it.
(dont be cheap with the salt)
4. let it sit for 3-4 weeks. (perferably not in the house, the wife wont
understand.)
5. Take it out and then let it dry in the sun for a day or 2.
6. Microwave it for about 10 secs. This is more for birds to kill any
lice eggs, or other nasties.

This will not produce the nice patches you get from a taxidermist but it
will keep it from rotting. The grouse is still in my tying kit and its been
there for about 4 years. It made the skin almost like a paper/plastic.

[Chas Wade]

rw > wrote:

Congrats Steve, and good luck finding the Elk. I'm no expert on this
tanning stuff, but I did the stretch and salt thing on a 1 foot square
I got from a friend a few years ago. The only thing I'd add is that
you remember that the hide probably has 1000 ticks on it, and don't let
those buggers in the house!

Chas
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http://home.comcast.net/~chas.wade/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

[Skwala]

"rw" > wrote in message
. ..

>
> Also obROFF, how do you cure deer hide for flytying hair? I have enough
> deer hair to last me the rest of my life.
>
Drop your hide off at what ever local business trades a pair of gloves, or
pays out 3 whole dollars for it, then stop by a taxidermy shop and pick up
the free tanned scraps most give away.

Most Taxidermy mounts use only the cape and cut off all of the tanned excess
behind the shoulder, weather its deer or elk, this is the good stuff you
want for spinning deer hair or tying Elk Hair Caddis's and Madam X's.

If you are polite and seem respectable, most shops are more than happy to
let you haul off as much as you can carry.

Skwala

[Scott Seidman]

daytripper > wrote in
:

> Then cover the skin with Boraxo powder

Careful-- Borax is Borax, and Boraxo is borax and soap!! Never use Boraxo
for this, always use Borax. Many mix Borax and salt, about 50-50.
Whatever you use, keep replacing it when it gets crusty

Scott

[Scott Seidman]

Darin Minor > wrote in
:

> daytripper wrote:
>
>> Then cover the skin with Boraxo powder, let it rest for a couple of
>> days, then dump off the old Boraxo and cover it with new. Repeat with
>> increasing length cycles until the Boraxo stops pulling ooze out of
>> the hide, wash the hide well in cool water, hang it to dry well with
>> a bit of ventilation, and you should be good to go.
>
> Remember that it Boraxo and NOT Borax. I've also heard that a warm
> place to do all of this is very helpful.
>
> Darin
>
>
>
>

Exactly backwards-- use Borax, and not Boraxo.

Scott

[Jeff Taylor]

"rw" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> Also obROFF, how do you cure deer hide for flytying hair? I have enough
> deer hair to last me the rest of my life.

Congrates on your first buck rw!

I doubt you have the brains from the deer and it sounds like a fair jaunt to
get back to the remains, however, an old fashioned way of tanning a hide is
with the brains. A friend of my fathers still uses the method and does a
nice job.

Found this site with instructions:
http://www.nativetech.org/tanning/FurOn.html

Good luck,
Jeff

[Tim J.]

"Jeff Taylor" wrote...
> "rw" wrote...
> >
> > Also obROFF, how do you cure deer hide for flytying hair? I have enough
> > deer hair to last me the rest of my life.
>
> Congrates on your first buck rw!
>
> I doubt you have the brains from the deer . . .

The mind plays funny tricks. When in my roff-reading mode, I could have sworn
this read "I doubt you have the brains of a deer". :)

I just made a visit to the Pequot Indian Museum a few weeks ago, and this is the
tanning method they described. Using this method, they said the whole job must
be completed from start to finish without interruption. Depending on the hide
size, this could be an all-day task, requiring incredible upper body and leg
strength.

Congrats from me, too, Steve. What does this do to your Kreh number?
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

[Jeff Taylor]

"Tim J." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jeff Taylor" wrote...
> > "rw" wrote...
> > >
> > > Also obROFF, how do you cure deer hide for flytying hair? I have
enough
> > > deer hair to last me the rest of my life.
> >
> > Congrates on your first buck rw!
> >
> > I doubt you have the brains from the deer . . .
>
> The mind plays funny tricks. When in my roff-reading mode, I could have
sworn
> this read "I doubt you have the brains of a deer". :)

He he he... Glad I didn't mess that one up! :)

When I am chasing deer around the mountains, I say to myself, damn these
things are smart...
When I am driving to work in the morning and see them crossing the highway,
I say to myself, stupid deer!

Jeff T.

[slenon]

Mazel Tov, Steve. That first buck is a real thrill. I'd second the brain
tanning method if you have the patience to do it. Cow brains will work too
and can sometimes still be found for sale. Really does provide a nice
supple hide, worth the work.

----
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar
Save a cow, eat a PETA

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[George Adams]

>From: "slenon"

>Mazel Tov, Steve. That first buck is a real thrill. I'd second the brain
>tanning method if you have the patience to do it. Cow brains will work too
>and can sometimes still be found for sale. Really does provide a nice
>supple hide, worth the work.

Given the increasing number of cases of different forms of Mad Cow Disease,
Scrapy, Creuxfeld-Jacob's Disease, etc, I would be really leery about contact
with animal brains. My Mother - in - Law died of Creuxfeld-Jacob's, and it
ain't a pretty way to go. The doctors bhave no idea how she contracted CJD, but
suspect contact with animal brains or bones. (she used bone meal as fertilizer)

I've never used Mule Deer hair for tying. Anyone have any experience with it? I
use mostly storebought Coastal Blacktail, (very fine...ties nice comparaduns),
and some local whitetail. I salted a few deer hides, and found it wasn't really
worth the effort. As others have mentioned, the salted hide is quite stiff and
difficult to work with. Tanned hides are much better, and there is a *lot* of
hair on one hide, more than I ever needed to keep on hand.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

[Wayne Harrison]

"Tim J." > wrote

> I just made a visit to the Pequot Indian Museum a few weeks ago, and this
is the
> tanning method they described. Using this method, they said the whole job
must
> be completed from start to finish without interruption. Depending on the
hide
> size, this could be an all-day task, requiring incredible upper body and
leg
> strength.

no problemo, timmaay. it's obvious that fishing is very, very slow in
stanley.

yfitons
wayno
>
> Congrats from me, too, Steve. What does this do to your Kreh number?
> --
> TL,
> Tim
> ------------------------
> http://css.sbcma.com/timj
>
>

[slenon]

George Adams:
>Given the increasing number of cases of different forms of Mad Cow Disease,
>Scrapy, Creuxfeld-Jacob's Disease, etc, I would be really leery about
contact
>with animal brains. My Mother - in - Law died of Creuxfeld-Jacob's, and it
>ain't a pretty way to go.

I've never seen an actual patient with CJD. There's a nagging fear at the
back of my mind that we're going to become more familiar with it. I
brain-tanned one hide decades ago and while I got reasonable results, I
wasn't worried then about prion infection. I would have to say that your
caution is well founded and perhaps brain-tanning should be mentioned only
with the caveat about prions.

I have a couple nice pieces of muley hide now that spin very well. I'll
probably order more from the same source when I need to replenish.

----
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar
Save a cow, eat a PETA

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[George Adams]

>From: "slenon"

>I've never seen an actual patient with CJD.

It is like an accelerated case of Alzhiemer's. My Mother - in - Law showed
signs if memory loss and mental impairment in August of 1997, and she died in
November. Typical survival time after diagnosis is in the range of 4 to 6
months.

> There's a nagging fear at the
>back of my mind that we're going to become more familiar with it.

I share your fear.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

[Bones]

http://www.hideandfur.com/inventory/Books/Tanning.html


Harry



> wrote:

>I killed my first buck today -- a two-point mule deer. I spooked him
>while I was stalking a bugling elk. Hello buck, goodbye bull. Running
>shot at about 75 yards. I field dressed him without ever having seen it
>done, except on a videotape. Tomorrow I'll take a horse up about 2000
>feet and down about 500 feet, and back, to pack out the meat, and maybe
>meet up with Mr. Bull. On the way to the trailhead, in the back of my
>mind, I was almost hoping I didn't encounter a legal elk. If I had, I'd
>still be up there, skinning it out. :-)
>
>ObROFF: There's some excellent cutthroat fishing in this drainage. I
>posted some links to photos of the creek a couple of months ago.
>
>Also obROFF, how do you cure deer hide for flytying hair? I have enough
>deer hair to last me the rest of my life.

[daytripper]

On 16 Oct 2003 12:22:20 GMT, Scott Seidman >
wrote:

>daytripper > wrote in
:
>
>> Then cover the skin with Boraxo powder
>
>Careful-- Borax is Borax, and Boraxo is borax and soap!! Never use Boraxo
>for this, always use Borax.

Thanks - I always get that wrong. I keep picturing the old black&white "20
Mule Borax" teevee commercial from the early 60's (Reagan was actually young
back then ;-) and decide it couldn't be the same stuff...

/daytripper

[George Cleveland]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:40:26 GMT, "slenon" > wrote:

>George Adams:
>>Given the increasing number of cases of different forms of Mad Cow Disease,
>>Scrapy, Creuxfeld-Jacob's Disease, etc, I would be really leery about
>contact
>>with animal brains. My Mother - in - Law died of Creuxfeld-Jacob's, and it
>>ain't a pretty way to go.
>
>I've never seen an actual patient with CJD. There's a nagging fear at the
>back of my mind that we're going to become more familiar with it. I
>brain-tanned one hide decades ago and while I got reasonable results, I
>wasn't worried then about prion infection. I would have to say that your
>caution is well founded and perhaps brain-tanning should be mentioned only
>with the caveat about prions.
>
>I have a couple nice pieces of muley hide now that spin very well. I'll
>probably order more from the same source when I need to replenish.
>
>----
>Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
>Drowning flies to Darkstar
>Save a cow, eat a PETA

>http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm
>
>
What is the chemical in brains that tans the hide? In our area of the state
whole forests of hemlock were cut down, solely for the bark which contained
large quantities of tannic acid. Since, at the same time, there were massive
quantities of high quality white pine lumber coming out of the same area, the
wood from the hemlock was burned or left to rot. Anyway, do brains contain acid,
of the tannic variety, not the greatfully dead stuff?

g.c.

[slenon]

>What is the chemical in brains that tans the hide? In our area of the state
>whole forests of hemlock were cut down, solely for the bark which contained
>large quantities of tannic acid. Since, at the same time, there were
massive
>quantities of high quality white pine lumber coming out of the same area,
the
>wood from the hemlock was burned or left to rot. Anyway, do brains contain
acid,
>of the tannic variety, not the greatfully dead stuff?
>g.c.

As best as I recall, the actives in brain tissue that aid in tanning are the
phospholipids, sphingomylins and similar compounds, soapy and surfactant
natured components. Brain tissue does contain amino acids just as any other
tissue. Compositions vary with tissue types. But there are, again to the
best of my recall, no low pH acids such as tannic acid and analogs used in
commercial tanning.

I suppose that deer may have frequented the woods around various venues
where the Dead once played and thus consumed some lysergic compounds
un-noticed by fish and wildlife officers or DEA officers. Deer Creek, in IN
comes to mind as a possible intersection.

----
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar
Save a cow, eat a PETA

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[Mu Young Lee]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Tim J. wrote:
>
> The mind plays funny tricks. When in my roff-reading mode, I could have sworn
> this read "I doubt you have the brains of a deer". :)

It's that spongiform encepalopathy that's ailing ya.

Mu

[Guyz-N-Flyz]

"Warren" > wrote in message
...
> wrote...

> Trying to cut
> into strips after curing the hide sucks the farts out of dead chickens.

You western folk do a lot of strange things.

Op -- --

> Warren

[slenon]

>I share your fear.
>George Adams

I've seen the write ups of cases, films of patients, reviewed path slides,
but never had to deal with a patient. Never is a good number with regard to
this disease. The longer I've worked in clinlab, the more it has amazed me
that anyone would eat organ meats.


Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar
Save a cow, eat a PETA

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[Darin Minor]

Scott Seidman wrote:

> Darin Minor > wrote in
> :
>
> > daytripper wrote:
> >
> >> Then cover the skin with Boraxo powder, let it rest for a couple of
> >> days, then dump off the old Boraxo and cover it with new. Repeat with
> >> increasing length cycles until the Boraxo stops pulling ooze out of
> >> the hide, wash the hide well in cool water, hang it to dry well with
> >> a bit of ventilation, and you should be good to go.
> >
> > Remember that it Boraxo and NOT Borax. I've also heard that a warm
> > place to do all of this is very helpful.
> >
> > Darin
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Exactly backwards-- use Borax, and not Boraxo.
>
> Scott

That's right. It's 20 Mule Team Borax and not the other stuff. Thanks.

Darin

[Warren]

wrote...
> no problemo, timmaay. it's obvious that fishing is very, very slow in
> stanley.

A bad day in Stanley beats ANY day in North Cackalacky. Heaven forbid that they
only catch 10" native cutts isntead of 4" native brookies...... <bseg>
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt (at) yahoo to reply via email)

[Warren]

wrote...
> You western folk do a lot of strange things.

Actually, that is a term we use to describe you eastern folk.....
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt (at) yahoo to reply via email)

[James Ehlers]

RW,
You need to be sure to get ALL the fat off or you will get bugs down the
road and that road ends at your house :) I have done it several times and
I speak from experience :( Maggots in the spring are not exactly as
pleasant as tulips and daffodils ... the best way to ensure there is no fat
is to trim all the edges generously after you have scraped the main area of
the hide. Salt will work as some have suggested but it will take many weeks
to pull all the fluid out. Scraping will take the better part of the day.

Enjoy.


James

James Ehlers
Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net




"rw" > wrote in message
. ..
> I killed my first buck today -- a two-point mule deer. I spooked him
> while I was stalking a bugling elk. Hello buck, goodbye bull. Running
> shot at about 75 yards. I field dressed him without ever having seen it
> done, except on a videotape. Tomorrow I'll take a horse up about 2000
> feet and down about 500 feet, and back, to pack out the meat, and maybe
> meet up with Mr. Bull. On the way to the trailhead, in the back of my
> mind, I was almost hoping I didn't encounter a legal elk. If I had, I'd
> still be up there, skinning it out. :-)
>
> ObROFF: There's some excellent cutthroat fishing in this drainage. I
> posted some links to photos of the creek a couple of months ago.
>
> Also obROFF, how do you cure deer hide for flytying hair? I have enough
> deer hair to last me the rest of my life.
>
> --
> Cut "to the chase" for my email address.
>

[rw]

Wayne Harrison wrote:
>
> no problemo, timmaay. it's obvious that fishing is very, very slow in
> stanley.

Actually, this is the best time of the year for fishing the high lakes.
I hiked to one of favorite ones four days ago and did pretty well.

BTW, Warren, there are some BIG cutts in the lakes. :-) Unfortunately,
you have to carry a float tube to have a decent shot at flyfishing for them.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

[Jeff Miller]

rw wrote:


> BTW, Warren, there are some BIG cutts in the lakes. :-) Unfortunately,
> you have to carry a float tube to have a decent shot at flyfishing for
> them.
>

carry a float tube...and this would cause warren some problem, why?

jeff (who walked more than a few miles watching warren the pack mule
haul a raft up to a lake and back...with the "back" being after climbing
a full-grown mountain just to take a few photos. btw, warren...you
should post a few of those photos... and, uh, what happened to dan'l and
his cd collection of the 2003 western clave?)

[Danl]

"Jeff Miller" > wrote in message
news:Uo%jb.84944$AH4.40108@lakeread06...
....you
> should post a few of those photos... and, uh, what happened to dan'l and
> his cd collection of the 2003 western clave?)
>

Awright awready! It's only been about six months! Sheesh, whatta nag! I'll
mail'em out on Monday. Anybody that ain't signed up for a Rock Crick Clave
CD getcher snailmail addy to me.

Danl
King of the Procrastinators!

[walt winter]

Danl wrote:
> "Jeff Miller" > wrote in message
> news:Uo%jb.84944$AH4.40108@lakeread06...
> ...you
>
>>should post a few of those photos... and, uh, what happened to dan'l and
>>his cd collection of the 2003 western clave?)
>>
>
>
> Awright awready! It's only been about six months! Sheesh, whatta nag! I'll
> mail'em out on Monday. Anybody that ain't signed up for a Rock Crick Clave
> CD getcher snailmail addy to me.
>
> Danl
> King of the Procrastinators!
>
>

danny, don't let jeffie rile ya.... he caught all *yer* fish last
week ;-)

wally

[Jeff Miller]

rw wrote:


> That was an impressive feat. It was my pontoon boat, so I know how heavy
> it is.
>
> However, that was a pussy hike compared what the good high lakes around
> here require. The best ones don't even have trails (at least, not marked
> trails), and you usually can't use a horse because of deadfalls and/or
> boulder fields and/or steepness. They're also at around 8000 feet or
> more. You need a float tube because there usually isn't enough room for
> a backcast, and even if there were you still couldn't reach the dropoffs
> at the vertical rock faces where the fish tend to be.
>
> A float tube, fins, a pump, and fishing tackle adds up to some serious
> weight and bulk. I'm considering starting to carry spinning tackle,
> instead. (The horror!)
>

uh oh... well, maybe if we get opie and warren together, and they don't
wanna fish or eat or drink, i'd be able to see one of those pleasant
places...

jeff

[rw]

Jeff Miller wrote:
>
>
> rw wrote:
>
>
>> BTW, Warren, there are some BIG cutts in the lakes. :-) Unfortunately,
>> you have to carry a float tube to have a decent shot at flyfishing for
>> them.
>>
>
> carry a float tube...and this would cause warren some problem, why?
>
> jeff (who walked more than a few miles watching warren the pack mule
> haul a raft up to a lake and back...with the "back" being after climbing
> a full-grown mountain just to take a few photos.

That was an impressive feat. It was my pontoon boat, so I know how heavy
it is.

However, that was a pussy hike compared what the good high lakes around
here require. The best ones don't even have trails (at least, not marked
trails), and you usually can't use a horse because of deadfalls and/or
boulder fields and/or steepness. They're also at around 8000 feet or
more. You need a float tube because there usually isn't enough room for
a backcast, and even if there were you still couldn't reach the dropoffs
at the vertical rock faces where the fish tend to be.

A float tube, fins, a pump, and fishing tackle adds up to some serious
weight and bulk. I'm considering starting to carry spinning tackle,
instead. (The horror!)

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[Darin Minor]

Jeff Miller wrote:

> uh oh... well, maybe if we get opie and warren together, and they don't
> wanna fish or eat or drink, i'd be able to see one of those pleasant
> places...
>
> jeff

Good luck on that one :-)

Darin

[rw]

daytripper wrote:
>
> Then cover the skin with Boraxo powder,

Borax, you idiot! Not Boraxo! :-)

I put the hide in the freezer until I can find some Borax. None
available in Stanley.

BTW, I do have the brains of a deer. :-) They're sitting outside of my
cabin, still in the skull. That method sounds like too much work,
though, and the Mad Cow Disease thing scares the **** out of me.

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[Guyz-N-Flyz]

"Darin Minor" > wrote in message
...
> Jeff Miller wrote:
>
> > uh oh... well, maybe if we get opie and warren together, and they don't
> > wanna fish or eat or drink, i'd be able to see one of those pleasant
> > places...
> >
> > jeff
>
> Good luck on that one :-)
>
> Darin

Well I'm seriously considerin' the next western 'Clave, If I can just hold
down a job, with the same company, long enuff to earn some vacation time.
While pack mules don't require much food or drink, they insist on good
fishin'!

Op --Warren, I say that you and I plan a pack trip for the two of us and
**** the rest of 'em!--

[Warren]

wrote...
> Well I'm seriously considerin' the next western 'Clave, If I can just hold
> down a job, with the same company, long enuff to earn some vacation time.
> While pack mules don't require much food or drink, they insist on good
> fishin'!

That would be damn good if you did! I did catch my first grayling on that trip
so it was worth it IMO.

> Op --Warren, I say that you and I plan a pack trip for the two of us and
> **** the rest of 'em!--

That can be arranged. <g>
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[Guyz-N-Flyz]

"Warren" > wrote in message
...
> wrote...
> That would be damn good if you did! I did catch my first grayling on that
trip
> so it was worth it IMO.

I printed off your first post on this at ROFFT, so I have all the pertinent
info. Now I just have to hold onto my tax refund for next year and figure
on findin' a new job when I get back home. As I ain't never seen a graylin'
before, I'd sure like to catch one, so count me in--and come hell or high
water, I'm gonna make it out there this time 'round!

> > Op --Warren, I say that you and I plan a pack trip for the two of us
and
> > **** the rest of 'em!--
>
> That can be arranged. <g>

Done is done. I say we con the Pirate into lettin' us borrow Henry, just in
case we need to chase down any big game for dinner.

Op --do I need to bring my own tarantulas?--

> Warren
> (use troutbum_mt (at) yahoo to reply via email)

[Warren]

wrote...
> I printed off your first post on this at ROFFT, so I have all the pertinent
> info. Now I just have to hold onto my tax refund for next year and figure
> on findin' a new job when I get back home. As I ain't never seen a graylin'
> before, I'd sure like to catch one, so count me in--and come hell or high
> water, I'm gonna make it out there this time 'round!

Now THAT'S what I wanted to hear! I am looking forward to it.

> Done is done. I say we con the Pirate into lettin' us borrow Henry, just in
> case we need to chase down any big game for dinner.

Nay, I'll bring Big Jake. That damn dog feeds off elk during the winter and
leaves for three or four days at a time to "feed." He has an "understanding"
with bears so that they leave him alone and he leaves them alone. Perfect dog
to be taking where we are going.

> Op --do I need to bring my own tarantulas?--

I'll send you a list of flies. Drop me an email with your correct addy (see my
sig line). I'll make sure to tie you up a WOWB (Welcome Out West Box).
--
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[Kevin Vang]

In article >,
says...
> wrote...

> > Op --Warren, I say that you and I plan a pack trip for the two of us and
> > **** the rest of 'em!--
>
> That can be arranged. <g>


Umm, I'll be busy at work that week, too...

Kevin
no matter what week it is.

[Warren]

wrote...
> Umm, I'll be busy at work that week, too...
>
> Kevin
> no matter what week it is.

WTF is wrong with you? Call in sick!
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[Wayne Knight]

"Warren" > wrote in message
...
> wrote...
> > **** the rest of 'em!--
>
> That can be arranged. <g>

Just what is it y'all do at those western clave thingies?

[Darin Minor]

Guyz-N-Flyz wrote:

> "Darin Minor" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jeff Miller wrote:
> >
> > > uh oh... well, maybe if we get opie and warren together, and they don't
> > > wanna fish or eat or drink, i'd be able to see one of those pleasant
> > > places...
> > >
> > > jeff
> >
> > Good luck on that one :-)
> >
> > Darin
>
> Well I'm seriously considerin' the next western 'Clave, If I can just hold
> down a job, with the same company, long enuff to earn some vacation time.
> While pack mules don't require much food or drink, they insist on good
> fishin'!
>
> Op --Warren, I say that you and I plan a pack trip for the two of us and
> **** the rest of 'em!--

I didn't mean good luck on gettin the 2 of you together, but the 2 of you
together and neither one wanting to drink or fish. If I were a bettin man, I'd
bet my life savings that that'll never happen. One of you not wanting to drink
or fish, but the 2 of you at the same time? Never happen.

Darin
BTW, there should be several of these thingies in there :-)

[Warren]

wrote...
> Guyz-N-Flyz wrote:
>
> > "Darin Minor" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Jeff Miller wrote:
> > >
> > > > uh oh... well, maybe if we get opie and warren together, and they don't
> > > > wanna fish or eat or drink, i'd be able to see one of those pleasant
> > > > places...
> > > >
> > > > jeff
> > >
> > > Good luck on that one :-)
> > >
> > > Darin
> >
> > Well I'm seriously considerin' the next western 'Clave, If I can just hold
> > down a job, with the same company, long enuff to earn some vacation time.
> > While pack mules don't require much food or drink, they insist on good
> > fishin'!
> >
> > Op --Warren, I say that you and I plan a pack trip for the two of us and
> > **** the rest of 'em!--
>
> I didn't mean good luck on gettin the 2 of you together, but the 2 of you
> together and neither one wanting to drink or fish. If I were a bettin man, I'd
> bet my life savings that that'll never happen. One of you not wanting to drink
> or fish, but the 2 of you at the same time? Never happen.

The chances are about as good as you not wanting to bowl in Phillipsburg.
<bseg>

> BTW, there should be several of these thingies in there :-)

Yeah, and several of these _.!.. (just think fingers and knuckles) <g>
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[Warren]

wrote...
> Just what is it y'all do at those western clave thingies?

Hike with pontoon boats on our backs, drink, fish, drink some more, fish some
more, hike back to Clave Central, BBQ and drink some more and then get up and
go for a float trip in the drift boats so we can drink and fish at the same
time only to get up and do it all over again the following day. That's about
all I remember anyways..... <g>
--
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[Wayne Knight]

"Warren" > wrote in message
...
> wrote...
> > Just what is it y'all do at those western clave thingies?
>
> Hike with pontoon boats on our backs, drink, fish, drink some more, fish
some
> more, hike back to Clave Central, BBQ and drink some more and then get up
and
> go for a float trip in the drift boats so we can drink and fish at the
same
> time only to get up and do it all over again the following day. That's
about
> all I remember anyways..... <g>

Well since you were offering to get everyone else f***ed, i was wondering if
perhaps there were other opportunties offered or if one should be careful in
the campground shower?

[Darin Minor]

Warren wrote:

> The chances are about as good as you not wanting to bowl in Phillipsburg.
> <bseg>

What do you mean NOT wanting to bowl in P-burg? I had a blast that night, I think.

>
>
> > BTW, there should be several of these thingies in there :-)
>
> Yeah, and several of these _.!.. (just think fingers and knuckles) <g>

I've been around you a couple of times and I know how much you like to fish and
drink, so the chances of you alone not wanting to do either is next to none.

Darin

[Warren]

wrote...
> Well since you were offering to get everyone else f***ed, i was wondering if
> perhaps there were other opportunties offered or if one should be careful in
> the campground shower?

There are plenty of other opportunities if you borrow Darin's velcro chaps. <G>
--
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[Darin Minor]

Warren wrote:

> wrote...
> > Well since you were offering to get everyone else f***ed, i was wondering if
> > perhaps there were other opportunties offered or if one should be careful in
> > the campground shower?
>
> There are plenty of other opportunities if you borrow Darin's velcro chaps. <G>
> --
> Warren
> (use troutbum_mt (at) yahoo to reply via email)

What was that nuckle/finger thing again? Oh yeah .!.. <G>

Darin

[rw]

rw wrote:
>
> Also obROFF, how do you cure deer hide for flytying hair? I have enough
> deer hair to last me the rest of my life.

Just to follow up:

I gave the hide to Rachael, a local young woman who tans hides for craft
work. She'll give me a piece of fly-tying material in return.

I butchered the deer a few days ago. Never done that before! It was
educational. I'll do a better job next year. Made a killer venison stew
last night.

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[slenon]

rw:
>I butchered the deer a few days ago. Never done that before! It was
>educational. I'll do a better job next year. Made a killer venison stew
last night.

When do you plan on making chili? I'd be delighted to help consume that.

--
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Drowning flies to Darkstar

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[rw]

slenon wrote:
> rw:
>
>>I butchered the deer a few days ago. Never done that before! It was
>>educational. I'll do a better job next year. Made a killer venison stew
>
> last night.
>
> When do you plan on making chili? I'd be delighted to help consume that.

This meat would make good chili, but that's easy. I'm planning how to
cook the roasts. That's more challenging. I'll try marinating overnight,
braising, and roasting with vegetables.

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[Allen Epps]

In article >, rw
> wrote:

> slenon wrote:
> > rw:
> >
> >>I butchered the deer a few days ago. Never done that before! It was
> >>educational. I'll do a better job next year. Made a killer venison stew
> >
> > last night.
> >
> > When do you plan on making chili? I'd be delighted to help consume that.
>
> This meat would make good chili, but that's easy. I'm planning how to
> cook the roasts. That's more challenging. I'll try marinating overnight,
> braising, and roasting with vegetables.

Put the roast in a slow cooker. When finished shred. lay out some
thawed, premade puff pastry. put venison on top, layer with fresh
mozzerela. fresh spinach leafs ands some wild mushrooms. Fold the dough
into an enclosed shaped then bake until done (about 20 minutes at 400)
Wala Bambi Wellington (I'm sure you can make the wild mushroom Hunters
gravy on your own)

Allen

[Kevin Vang]

In article >,
says...
> I'm planning how to
> cook the roasts. That's more challenging. I'll try marinating overnight,
> braising, and roasting with vegetables.


Take a look here:
http://www.tonydean.com/recipes.html?sectionid=3517

Kevin

[slenon]

Marinade in red wine and rosemary, parsley, garlic. Cover with a few strips
of bacon. Roast at high temp to sear outside and finish to rare or med-rare.
It'll be like a London broil

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Drowning flies to Darkstar

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[rw]

Kevin Vang wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
>> I'm planning how to
>>cook the roasts. That's more challenging. I'll try marinating overnight,
>>braising, and roasting with vegetables.
>
>
>
> Take a look here:
> http://www.tonydean.com/recipes.html?sectionid=3517

That's a nice looking recipe.

BTW, speaking of raspberry/jalapeno recipes, about a week ago I cooked a
leg of lamb for some friends (salt crust - a great recipe). I couldn't
find any mint jelly in Stanley, so I substituted raspberry/jalapeno
jelly. It was perfect.

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