Lapland clave 2004

[Roger Ohlund]

Hi all,

So, finally I have decided a destination.

After scrapping several different options I've decided to make this clave a
wilderness clave.
The same river as last year, only 100 kilometers further into the mountains.
I have talked to a local guy who has helped me rent a Saami cabin located in
the area.
The cabin is located 500 meters from the river and has 5 beds, a kitchen and
a sauna.
The cabin will do fine as a meeting place and a place for attendes from far
away to live.
The rest of us will have to live in a tent. We have several extra tents.
We will all be sharing the cost for the cabin as we will be using it for a
meeting place.
The idea is to fish in three waters; River Laisan (brown trout only),
Hurrasjokk creek (brown trout only) and Blassajaure lake (Arctic char and
brown trout).
We're not likely to meet any other people, but in worst case there will
still be more than 60 kilometers of running water and two lakes on the
permit (actually two dozen more trout and char waters if you don't
mind walking).
We will be flying with a helicopter from Adolfstrom village.
If we can get 10 attendes, the sum total for this trip (with food, permit
and gas costs) leaving from Umea in north Sweden will be approx US$350.
You will have to plan for a week since we won't be able to have the
helicopter fly back and forth at will.

A couple of pictures from the area as a teaser:

http://w1.910.telia.com/~u91017644/flyfishing/clear_roger.jpg
http://w1.910.telia.com/%7Eu91017644/flyfishing/strike.jpg
http://w1.910.telia.com/%7Eu91017644/flyfishing/fish_on.jpg

This one weighed 1.6 kilo or 3.56 lb.
http://w1.910.telia.com/%7Eu91017644/fish/handling_trout.jpg

http://w1.910.telia.com/%7Eu91017644/rivers/neck.jpg
http://w1.910.telia.com/~u91017644/rivers/roger2.jpg
http://w1.910.telia.com/~u91017644/fish/roger3.jpg
http://w1.910.telia.com/~u91017644/nature/roger4.jpg
http://w1.910.telia.com/~u91017644/flyfishing/roger1.jpg
http://w1.910.telia.com/%7Eu91017644/flyfishing/inthenet.jpg

Attendees so far:

Vaughan Hurry
Fred Risberg
Roger Ohlund

Interested:

Jarmo Hurri
Erik Risberg
Jerome Phillipon
Myron Buck

If you want more information go to the web site and find my email under
contact info.

--
/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime fly fisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://www.imsoc.se/angler/ for info on fly
fishing in northern Sweden, Lapland,
or visit http://www.imsoc.se/ffgallery/ , the fly fishermen's gallery.

[Roger Ohlund]

"Roger Ohlund" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,

I forgot:

August 2 - August 10. If three or more can decide on other dates then you
should be able to share a helicopter and make it anything in between these
dates.

/Roger

[Osmo Jauhiainen]

"Roger Ohlund" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> So, finally I have decided a destination.
>

Roger,

Magnificent pictures! Tempting really!

Have to see my economic situation. It takes another 300 to 350 euros to
drive by car
from here. If I can get someone with me to share the fuel cost, this might
be possible.
Need time to make decision anyway.

Thanks,
OsmoJ

[The Leaping Frog]

Ah-ah!,
The great awaited has arrived. Quickly grabbed my BD16 map: found Hurasjahka
creek but not Blassajaure lake? Are you going to give me a pointer to that
cabin? In the valley, on the mountain side?

The date is not currently an issue. 2004 will be weird with a baby in April
and a new job but that does not mean we cannot work it out. Please count me
in for now. The 2nd of August is a Sunday and 10th a Tuesday, did you mean
it like that? How many days of fishing would that be? 1 day to travel from
Umea each way?

How much hiking per day should the "untrained" be reasonably prepared for to
go fishing?
My plans would be to land in Umea where I would hope for a lift from a party
member. My preference - as you already know- would be to stay in the cabin.

I have put some friends on the copy list, should they be interested. Cout
estime: 1000 euros par personne.

Tightlines
Jerome

Roger Ohlund > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> So, finally I have decided a destination.
>
> After scrapping several different options I've decided to make this clave
a
> wilderness clave.
> The same river as last year, only 100 kilometers further into the
mountains.
> I have talked to a local guy who has helped me rent a Saami cabin located
in
> the area.
> The cabin is located 500 meters from the river and has 5 beds, a kitchen
and
> a sauna.
> The cabin will do fine as a meeting place and a place for attendes from
far
> away to live.
> The rest of us will have to live in a tent. We have several extra tents.
> We will all be sharing the cost for the cabin as we will be using it for a
> meeting place.
> The idea is to fish in three waters; River Laisan (brown trout only),
> Hurrasjokk creek (brown trout only) and Blassajaure lake (Arctic char and
> brown trout).
> We're not likely to meet any other people, but in worst case there will
> still be more than 60 kilometers of running water and two lakes on the
> permit (actually two dozen more trout and char waters if you don't
> mind walking).
> We will be flying with a helicopter from Adolfstrom village.
> If we can get 10 attendes, the sum total for this trip (with food, permit
> and gas costs) leaving from Umea in north Sweden will be approx US$350.
> You will have to plan for a week since we won't be able to have the
> helicopter fly back and forth at will.
>
> A couple of pictures from the area as a teaser:
>
> http://w1.910.telia.com/~u91017644/flyfishing/clear_roger.jpg
> http://w1.910.telia.com/%7Eu91017644/flyfishing/strike.jpg
> http://w1.910.telia.com/%7Eu91017644/flyfishing/fish_on.jpg
>
> This one weighed 1.6 kilo or 3.56 lb.
> http://w1.910.telia.com/%7Eu91017644/fish/handling_trout.jpg
>
> http://w1.910.telia.com/%7Eu91017644/rivers/neck.jpg
> http://w1.910.telia.com/~u91017644/rivers/roger2.jpg
> http://w1.910.telia.com/~u91017644/fish/roger3.jpg
> http://w1.910.telia.com/~u91017644/nature/roger4.jpg
> http://w1.910.telia.com/~u91017644/flyfishing/roger1.jpg
> http://w1.910.telia.com/%7Eu91017644/flyfishing/inthenet.jpg
>
> Attendees so far:
>
> Vaughan Hurry
> Fred Risberg
> Roger Ohlund
>
> Interested:
>
> Jarmo Hurri
> Erik Risberg
> Jerome Phillipon
> Myron Buck
>
> If you want more information go to the web site and find my email under
> contact info.
>
> --
> / Roger
> Daytime engineer
> Lifetime fly fisherman
> If you feel like it, visit http://www.imsoc.se/angler/ for info on fly
> fishing in northern Sweden, Lapland,
> or visit http://www.imsoc.se/ffgallery/ , the fly fishermen's gallery.
>
>
>
>

[Mike Connor]

"Roger Ohlund" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...

OK. So count me in.

What are we looking at in terms of total cost? I would get to any reachable
meeting point under my own steam.

Sorry to be so pedestrian, but I am unfortunately obliged to deal with
reality! :)

TL
Mc

[Vaughan Hurry]

"Roger Ohlund" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> So, finally I have decided a destination.

If any other interested person has a problem with the August 2-10 dates but
still wants to attend, please let me know. I have to be in Norway for a
meeting on August 5 so I might need to join late and stay longer and that
makes things a bit more expensive. I will try and duck the meeting but am
not too hopeful.

Vaughan

[Roger Ohlund]

"Mike Connor" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Roger Ohlund" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> ...
>
> OK. So count me in.
>
> What are we looking at in terms of total cost? I would get to any
reachable
> meeting point under my own steam.
>
> Sorry to be so pedestrian, but I am unfortunately obliged to deal with
> reality! :)
>
> TL
> Mc
>

Mike,

How much do you eat per day? ;-)
As I said in the post:
"If we can get 10 attendes, the sum total for this trip (with food, permit
and gas costs) leaving from Umea in north Sweden will be approx US$350."
I should have added that helicopter cost is included.

So, find out how much it will cost you to get to Umea or Adolfstrom village.
Food cost will need to be added to the sum total, but you'll have to eat if
you stay home also so that shouldn't matter.

/Roger

[Roger Ohlund]

"The Leaping Frog" > wrote in message
...
> Ah-ah!,
> The great awaited has arrived. Quickly grabbed my BD16 map: found
Hurasjahka
> creek but not Blassajaure lake? Are you going to give me a pointer to that
> cabin? In the valley, on the mountain side?

On the mountain side, it says "Gautostugan". Once you find the cabin the
lake is the closest one to the north.

> The date is not currently an issue. 2004 will be weird with a baby in
April
> and a new job but that does not mean we cannot work it out. Please count
me
> in for now. The 2nd of August is a Sunday and 10th a Tuesday, did you mean
> it like that? How many days of fishing would that be? 1 day to travel
from
> Umea each way?

I plan on starting the clave on the 2:nd but will stay to at least the 10:th
in order to fish with the late arriving Vaughan Hurry.

> How much hiking per day should the "untrained" be reasonably prepared for
to
> go fishing?

It is 500 meters to the river. You know best yourself how much walking up
and down the stream you would want to do.
If you dont mind walking, for say an hour, there is an abundance of waters
to be visited.

> My plans would be to land in Umea where I would hope for a lift from a
party
> member. My preference - as you already know- would be to stay in the
cabin.

I know and have planned it so that one of the beds in the cabin is for you.

> I have put some friends on the copy list, should they be interested. Cout
> estime: 1000 euros par personne.

Well the area is vast and the fishing normally good (if the weather and
water levels are OK).
However, the cabin doesn't take more than 5, after that we are using tents.

/Roger

[Mike Connor]

"Roger Ohlund" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
>
> "Mike Connor" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Roger Ohlund" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > ...
> >
> > OK. So count me in.
> >
> > What are we looking at in terms of total cost? I would get to any
> reachable
> > meeting point under my own steam.
> >
> > Sorry to be so pedestrian, but I am unfortunately obliged to deal with
> > reality! :)
> >
> > TL
> > Mc
> >
>
> Mike,
>
> How much do you eat per day? ;-)
> As I said in the post:
> "If we can get 10 attendes, the sum total for this trip (with food, permit
> and gas costs) leaving from Umea in north Sweden will be approx US$350."
> I should have added that helicopter cost is included.
>
> So, find out how much it will cost you to get to Umea or Adolfstrom
village.
> Food cost will need to be added to the sum total, but you'll have to eat
if
> you stay home also so that shouldn't matter.
>
> /Roger
>
>

Thanks Roger. Seems very reasonable. I will have to see whether I drive up,
or fly.

I will find that out as soon as possible.

TL
MC

[Jeff Miller]

roger - plug me in for a probable. still a long ways off for me to make
it a definite. and the therapy necessary for me to be able to fly on a
plane that distance will no doubt require significant time. i'll have to
figure out flights, etc., and will require assistance in determining
necessaries... anyone else on this side of the pond considering going?

jeff

Roger Ohlund wrote:

> "Roger Ohlund" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Hi all,
>
>
> I forgot:
>
> August 2 - August 10. If three or more can decide on other dates then you
> should be able to share a helicopter and make it anything in between these
> dates.
>
> /Roger
>
>

[riverman]

"Roger Ohlund" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> So, finally I have decided a destination.
>

Sounds great. I've gone through an agonizing week-long decision-making
process (see the post on "Next Years Plans") but I'll be skipping my summer
school this year to come home, but coming to the clave on my way back to
Congo. Put me down for a bed in the cabin, as I'll be travelling fairly
light (I hope), and will be coming in from the US.

For those looking at flying in, last year I got a ticket on RyanAir from
London to Stockholm for $49, it cost $10 for a bus ride to Central Station,
where I got an overnight sleeper train to Umea for $79. After the clave, I
took a bus/train combo back to Stockholm for $59, then flew RyanAir to
Germany for (true) $9. It was a very affordable way to get to Umea, and all
the schedules matched up perfectly. Since there were no connecting flight on
RyanAir, there was minimal risk of losing out on a connecting flight because
of delays.

--riverman

[Vaughan Hurry]

> Sounds great. I've gone through an agonizing week-long decision-making
> process (see the post on "Next Years Plans") but I'll be skipping my
summer
> school this year to come home, but coming to the clave on my way back to
> Congo. Put me down for a bed in the cabin, as I'll be travelling fairly
> light (I hope), and will be coming in from the US.

Does this mean we have a bit more flexibility in the timing of the clave?
(HINT) :-)

Vaughan

[Jarmo Hurri]

I'm in, yes indeed.

Seeing all the follow-ups with speculations about the exact timetable
of the clave made me a bit unsure of whether the date is already
fixed. Is the main event August 2-10 for sure?

The reason I'm asking this is that the beginning of August is
typically also the time when our group is fishing for salmon in
northern Finland and Norway. They might be flexible, though, so I will
let me know my timetable once it's fixed. (The clave has the highest
priority for me.)

Vaughan: We talked earlier about fishing for sea-run charr in Finnmark
region. Still interested?

--
Jarmo Hurri

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use .

[Vaughan Hurry]

> Vaughan: We talked earlier about fishing for sea-run charr in Finnmark
> region. Still interested?
>
> --
> Jarmo Hurri

I'm always interested Jarmo but next year will be somewhere between
difficult and impossible. Even joining the clave for that week is going to
be difficult but at worst I will join sometime Friday and stay on until
following weekend. After seeing Roger's pictures it would be hard to
resist..........

cheers

Vaughan

btw - how is the thesis going?

[Roger Ohlund]

"Jarmo Hurri" > wrote in message
...
>
> I'm in, yes indeed.
>
> Seeing all the follow-ups with speculations about the exact timetable
> of the clave made me a bit unsure of whether the date is already
> fixed. Is the main event August 2-10 for sure?
>

The timetable was set when Myron told me that those dates were the best for
him.
I wouldn't personally mind it if it happened a week later, but I'm more than
OK with the set date too =).
The pictures that I included in my first post were from the first week of
August so normally it is a good time of the year for that area.

/Roger

[Tim J.]

"Vaughan Hurry" wrote...
<snip>
> After seeing Roger's pictures it would be hard to
> resist..........

That is certainly the truth. What fine pictures of a beautiful area. If anyone
reading this thread is even close to your slice of the world, it should be hard
to resist attending.

Thanks for the photos, Roger.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

[Jarmo Hurri]

Roger> The timetable was set when Myron told me that those dates were
Roger> the best for him.

Ok.

Roger> I wouldn't personally mind it if it happened a week later, but
Roger> I'm more than OK with the set date too =). The pictures that I
Roger> included in my first post were from the first week of August so
Roger> normally it is a good time of the year for that area.

I don't know if one week really makes any difference, but I guess I
would prefer the earlier week for more light (less sleep? :-)) and
maybe a bit warmer weather.

I have an idea or two about good flies, but new ideas and suggestions
are always welcome. (The hottest part of the tying season starts right
after Christmas.)

--
Jarmo Hurri

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use .

[Jarmo Hurri]

>> Vaughan: We talked earlier about fishing for sea-run charr in
>> Finnmark region. Still interested?

Vaughan> I'm always interested Jarmo but next year will be somewhere
Vaughan> between difficult and impossible.

Ok, so I won't count you in this year.

Vaughan> btw - how is the thesis going?

Defended the thesis successfully 10 days ago. Feels like a big weight
had been removed from my chest.

--
Jarmo Hurri

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use .

[Vaughan Hurry]

> Defended the thesis successfully 10 days ago. Feels like a big weight
> had been removed from my chest.

Congratulations!

[Roger Ohlund]

"Jarmo Hurri" > wrote in message
...
>
> Roger> The timetable was set when Myron told me that those dates were
> Roger> the best for him.
>
> Ok.
>
> Roger> I wouldn't personally mind it if it happened a week later, but
> Roger> I'm more than OK with the set date too =). The pictures that I
> Roger> included in my first post were from the first week of August so
> Roger> normally it is a good time of the year for that area.
>
> I don't know if one week really makes any difference, but I guess I
> would prefer the earlier week for more light (less sleep? :-)) and
> maybe a bit warmer weather.
>
> I have an idea or two about good flies, but new ideas and suggestions
> are always welcome. (The hottest part of the tying season starts right
> after Christmas.)
>
Jarmo,

Mayflies and caddisflies =)
Not the answer you wanted?
Well, here comes what I've discovered so far:

Caddisflies like elk hair caddis (hair winged caddises) with greenish body.
Actually all insect life in the area tend to have nuances of green. I think
it has to do with the greenish water.
Mayflies, also in green nuances. Last time we were up there an olive variant
of the Wulff series flies worked excellent.
Nymphs in the color "guess what", pupaes like the superpupae (olive).
Klinkhamer.
Black wooly buggers for streamers. Actually I've also tried an olive
(surprise) variant with some success.
Soft hackles in low water. Stewart's black spider. And yes, an olive
variant.

Of course almost any fly will do. It was during those days when fish weren't
cooperative that we found the color green/olive to do better than other
colors.

/Roger

[Jarmo Hurri]

Roger> Well, here comes what I've discovered so far:

Roger> Caddisflies like elk hair caddis (hair winged caddises) with
Roger> greenish body. Actually all insect life in the area tend to
Roger> have nuances of green. I think it has to do with the greenish
Roger> water. Mayflies, also in green nuances. Last time we were up
Roger> there an olive variant of the Wulff series flies worked
Roger> excellent. Nymphs in the color "guess what", pupaes like the
Roger> superpupae (olive). Klinkhamer. Black wooly buggers for
Roger> streamers. Actually I've also tried an olive (surprise) variant
Roger> with some success. Soft hackles in low water. Stewart's black
Roger> spider. And yes, an olive variant.

The two times I've visited northern Sweden I've observed that green
Klinkhämers and Superpupas in various colors are very effective. Why
green Klinkhämers were effective seemed obvious after examining the
contents of the stomachs of a few fish: loads of some green insects
that had almost completed their metamorphosis. Last year Vaughan dug
up a couple of real hits from his vast collection of flies: the
Streaking Caddis and some *very* small fly.

The importance of mayflies up north - which is what you always hear
and read about - has fascinated me for some time. If I remember
correctly, we didn't really catch fish with adult mayfly imitations
last year, but we saw lots of these orange/brown mayflies flying
around:

http://www.cis.hut.fi/jarmo/fishing/sweden-2002/mayfly.jpg

Now what will be really interesting is to try to catch some
charr. Never caught one with fly-fishing gear before (just some small
ones with spinning gear). Any special tips for this mysterious but
delicious fish?

--
Jarmo Hurri

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use .

[Roger Ohlund]

"Jarmo Hurri" > wrote in message
...
>
> Roger> Well, here comes what I've discovered so far:
>
> Roger> Caddisflies like elk hair caddis (hair winged caddises) with
> Roger> greenish body. Actually all insect life in the area tend to
> Roger> have nuances of green. I think it has to do with the greenish
> Roger> water. Mayflies, also in green nuances. Last time we were up
> Roger> there an olive variant of the Wulff series flies worked
> Roger> excellent. Nymphs in the color "guess what", pupaes like the
> Roger> superpupae (olive). Klinkhamer. Black wooly buggers for
> Roger> streamers. Actually I've also tried an olive (surprise) variant
> Roger> with some success. Soft hackles in low water. Stewart's black
> Roger> spider. And yes, an olive variant.
>
> The two times I've visited northern Sweden I've observed that green
> Klinkhämers and Superpupas in various colors are very effective. Why
> green Klinkhämers were effective seemed obvious after examining the
> contents of the stomachs of a few fish: loads of some green insects
> that had almost completed their metamorphosis. Last year Vaughan dug
> up a couple of real hits from his vast collection of flies: the
> Streaking Caddis and some *very* small fly.
>
> The importance of mayflies up north - which is what you always hear
> and read about - has fascinated me for some time. If I remember
> correctly, we didn't really catch fish with adult mayfly imitations
> last year, but we saw lots of these orange/brown mayflies flying
> around:
>
> http://www.cis.hut.fi/jarmo/fishing/sweden-2002/mayfly.jpg
>
> Now what will be really interesting is to try to catch some
> charr. Never caught one with fly-fishing gear before (just some small
> ones with spinning gear). Any special tips for this mysterious but
> delicious fish?
>

Ah, now there's a question for the masters of this pastime called fly
fishing. As you know I plan to hold a mini clave at Ransaran creek, this is
where you will be measured and judged ;-)

The Arctic char is among the most difficult fish to fool. This for a number
of reasons. Arctic char feed mainly on midge pupae's and a fresh water
shrimp "Mysis" of the Mysidae family and as such not often feed on caddis
and/or mayflies. At times they will however feed on these two species'
nymphs. The char's habitat often being very cold water, far north and/or in
the mountains equally often puts them in waters clear as gin. A big Arctic
char will make a sip of a rise not distinguishable from the small Arctic
char doing the same thing.

I never seem to get a grip on how these fish feed. Some of the mystery, I
guess, has its answer in the fact that when feeding on Mysidae or Diptera
there is often an abundance of these in the water and you can cast until
your arm fall off without success. When the char is feeding on such insects
I often, and not without success, trick them with a method that will induce
a take (slightly unethical). I watch them feed as they cruise by and try to
figure out where they are going. Once I think I have a clue I cast a large
caddis fly in their path. Then when the char approaches I simply strip the
fly in front of the fish. Mind you, it doesn't work all the time.

Also, the bigger the char the more difficult. Where you would use a streamer
on a big trout you're not likely to have the same kind of success with this
particular fish. I've seen lb 11 Arctic char feed on Mysis only to duck away
from more than twenty different nymph imitations and streamers presented by
me. Imagine the feeling of seeing such a fish in a 4 yard wide crystal clear
stream, imagine also that you were able to approach to a point within reach
of a cast. Then you get to see this huge fish ignore everything you can
think of.

Sometimes these fish actually rise to caddis or mayflies, often this
coincide with a major hatch. You can sometimes see them rise without any
obvious surface activity regarding insects. At times you're so completely
emptied of ideas that you start thinking of giving up fly fishing.

God, I love this fish. So beautiful and so damn hard to catch.

/Roger

[Hans Bock]

Hi Roger,

sorry for the late reaction, but I was very busy with the planning of my
next trip towards Argentine Patagonia,
next february and march............

I hope to go to Arjeplog with the family next summer again.
If we do I will definitely join the Clave.
But a bit to far ahead now to say for 100% that I will join.

BTW next week I am finally gonna scan my last Clave's slides for you and
will sent them. I promised you before to do it in november, but I did not
make that time shedule.

Hans

[Mu Young Lee]

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Jarmo Hurri wrote:
>
> Defended the thesis successfully 10 days ago. Feels like a big weight
> had been removed from my chest.

Congrats Jarmo.

Mu

[asadi]

Jeff, out of Dayton Ohio I get somewhere around $1300 round trip, using the
dates of Aug 2 and 10.

On down this thread Riverman penned
* - . . . from Stockholm , it cost $10 for a bus ride to Central Station,
where I got an overnight sleeper train to Umea for $79. After the clave, I
took a bus/train combo back to Stockholm for $59, ... It was a very
affordable way to get to Umea, and all.*

Personally, I would spend a night in Stockholm upon first arrival (never
been there) and a night in Umea (never been there either).

....and would plan on two nights in one of those cities 'after' the
clave....a little R&R as it were.

I'm not saying I should be penciled in, but I have a folder for all
pertinent posts....

I am assured of the trip of my choice next year, but you know, I just have
this thing for tropical climes, cold beer and ...stuff.

Hey Rog, how much for a decent, but not fancy hotel and a steak dinner at a
good restaurant in Stockholm or Umea?

john

Ps. Jeff, I can get your a prescription for muscle relaxers that will
totally eliminate any chance of a blood clot.

"Jeff Miller" > wrote in message
news:2ZBDb.22069$hf1.21987@lakeread06...
> roger - plug me in for a probable. still a long ways off for me to make
> it a definite. and the therapy necessary for me to be able to fly on a
> plane that distance will no doubt require significant time. i'll have to
> figure out flights, etc., and will require assistance in determining
> necessaries... anyone else on this side of the pond considering going?
>
> jeff
>
> Roger Ohlund wrote:
>
> > "Roger Ohlund" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Hi all,
> >
> >
> > I forgot:
> >
> > August 2 - August 10. If three or more can decide on other dates then
you
> > should be able to share a helicopter and make it anything in between
these
> > dates.
> >
> > /Roger
> >
> >
>

[Roger Ohlund]

"asadi" > wrote in message
...
>
> Hey Rog, how much for a decent, but not fancy hotel and a steak dinner at
a
> good restaurant in Stockholm or Umea?
>

Hotel.....I'll try and find out for you.
Steak......from US$12 and up.....

/Roger

[Roger Ohlund]

"Roger Ohlund" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
>

Attendees so far:

Vaughan Hurry (Tent)
Fred Risberg (Tent)
Roger Ohlund (Tent)
Jarmo Hurri (Tent)
Jerome Phillipon (aka Leaping frog, gets a bed in the cabin)
Myron Buck (aka riverman, gets a bed in the cabin)
Erik Risberg (Tent)
Mike Connor (Tent or the cabin Mike?)

Interested:

Osmo Jauhiainen
Hans Bock
Jeff Miller
John (asadi)

/Roger

[Sandy]

Roger Ohlund wrote:
> "asadi" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Hey Rog, how much for a decent, but not fancy hotel and a steak
>> dinner at a good restaurant in Stockholm or Umea?
>>
>
> Hotel.....I'll try and find out for you.
> Steak......from US$12 and up.....
>
> /Roger

This might help.

http://www.hotelsswedenonline.com/

yes, I've been looking too :)

Ran it past SWMBO last night.

"What would you say if I went to Sweden fishing for ten days of our annual
holiday"

SWMBO "How much?"

""About £600"

SWMBO "***$%££"^*(*)*&"

Translation "No darling"

:)

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[Lat705]

>
>Hotel.....I'll try and find out for you.
>Steak......from US$12 and up.....
>

John
Beefsteak costs a bit more. "G" Stockholm has great seafood and Italian food
at very reasonaable prices plus good breakfast buffets. at your hotel.

[Jeff Miller]

asadi wrote:


> Ps. Jeff, I can get your a prescription for muscle relaxers that will
> totally eliminate any chance of a blood clot.
>
>

it's the blood splat that worries me. but, i believe if adequately
relaxed, i might endure...

jeff

[riverman]

"Vaughan Hurry" > wrote in message
...
> > Sounds great. I've gone through an agonizing week-long decision-making
> > process (see the post on "Next Years Plans") but I'll be skipping my
> summer
> > school this year to come home, but coming to the clave on my way back to
> > Congo. Put me down for a bed in the cabin, as I'll be travelling fairly
> > light (I hope), and will be coming in from the US.
>
> Does this mean we have a bit more flexibility in the timing of the clave?
> (HINT) :-)
>

Whew. Sort of. If I'm taking the year off entirely, then we can clave for
the whole month of August for all I care. But since today's plan is to be
back here for the start of school, then I'll need to be back in Kinshasa on
August 13th. I suppose I could fly from Stockholm to Kinshasa on that
Thursday (12th) or Friday (13th), so we could effectively end the clave on
the 11th or 12th. I should know in a day or two what the more accurate
school-starting dates are.

--riverman

[Mike Connor]

"Roger Ohlund" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
>
> "Roger Ohlund" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
>
> Attendees so far:
>
> Vaughan Hurry (Tent)
> Fred Risberg (Tent)
> Roger Ohlund (Tent)
> Jarmo Hurri (Tent)
> Jerome Phillipon (aka Leaping frog, gets a bed in the cabin)
> Myron Buck (aka riverman, gets a bed in the cabin)
> Erik Risberg (Tent)
> Mike Connor (Tent or the cabin Mike?)
>
> Interested:
>
> Osmo Jauhiainen
> Hans Bock
> Jeff Miller
> John (asadi)
>
> /Roger
>
>

If I fly, then the cabin would be nice. Can´t tell you yet, still waiting
for some info........

Aaaaggggghhhh! Forget it, I will bring a tent. let those coming in from
farthest away have the cabin.

TL
MC

[riverman]

"Jarmo Hurri" > wrote in message
...
>
> I'm in, yes indeed.
>
> Seeing all the follow-ups with speculations about the exact timetable
> of the clave made me a bit unsure of whether the date is already
> fixed. Is the main event August 2-10 for sure?
>
> The reason I'm asking this is that the beginning of August is
> typically also the time when our group is fishing for salmon in
> northern Finland and Norway. They might be flexible, though, so I will
> let me know my timetable once it's fixed. (The clave has the highest
> priority for me.)
>


Hmmm, since my schedule seems to be a pivotal point to this entire clave
(too cool, thanks guys), maybe there's a way to get several things
accomplished here. Jarmo; when are the dates of your salmon trip, and are
you available to do both? I would be very amenable to proposing having the
Lapland Clave earlier (like the last week in July) so that you and Vaughan
could come along, if I could join up with you on the Salmon trip clave...
Would something like having the Lapp clave on July 26-Aug 1, then driving
north together for the Salmon trip work? I'd be way into doing both, if it
worked out.

--riverman

[Roger Ohlund]

"riverman" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jarmo Hurri" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I'm in, yes indeed.
> >
> > Seeing all the follow-ups with speculations about the exact timetable
> > of the clave made me a bit unsure of whether the date is already
> > fixed. Is the main event August 2-10 for sure?
> >
> > The reason I'm asking this is that the beginning of August is
> > typically also the time when our group is fishing for salmon in
> > northern Finland and Norway. They might be flexible, though, so I will
> > let me know my timetable once it's fixed. (The clave has the highest
> > priority for me.)
> >
>
>
> Hmmm, since my schedule seems to be a pivotal point to this entire clave
> (too cool, thanks guys), maybe there's a way to get several things
> accomplished here. Jarmo; when are the dates of your salmon trip, and are
> you available to do both? I would be very amenable to proposing having the
> Lapland Clave earlier (like the last week in July) so that you and Vaughan
> could come along, if I could join up with you on the Salmon trip clave...
> Would something like having the Lapp clave on July 26-Aug 1, then driving
> north together for the Salmon trip work? I'd be way into doing both, if it
> worked out.
>
> --riverman
>

You guys.......

There's one more issue here. The cabin, as most of the Saami cabins in the
mountain area, is not normally available to rent.
It took quite a lot of persuasion and no small amount of work in locating
the owners and getting them to agree to rent it to me. Fred was mighty
surprised at the fact that I did get to rent it.
The Swedish government does not allow anyone but the original inhabitants of
this area, the Saami, to build anything within the area.
This means that cabins like this one is normally impossible to get a hold
of.
Also, while the last week in July would mean even brighter summer nights,
the fishing is normally better in August. As you could see last year the
fishing got better and better during our stay. That high up in the mountain
it isn't normally as warm water as what you experienced last year and as
such that won't affect fishing all that much.
If possible, try to stick to these dates. Although I myself will probably be
staying longer in order to fish with the late arriving Vaughan.
We have to arrange for the dates when you want to be picked up by the
helicopter. It will possibly take us three and three or four and four
depending on how many we will be. So if three of us want to get home a day
or two early we have to tell the pilot about this before flying out. The
mobile phone coverage is under all criticism in this area, but once in a
while you can climb a mountain and send an SMS message.

/Roger

[riverman]

"Roger Ohlund" > wrote in message
...
>
> You guys.......
>
> There's one more issue here. The cabin, as most of the Saami cabins in the
> mountain area, is not normally available to rent.
> It took quite a lot of persuasion and no small amount of work in locating
> the owners and getting them to agree to rent it to me. Fred was mighty
> surprised at the fact that I did get to rent it.
> The Swedish government does not allow anyone but the original inhabitants
of
> this area, the Saami, to build anything within the area.
> This means that cabins like this one is normally impossible to get a hold
> of.
> Also, while the last week in July would mean even brighter summer nights,
> the fishing is normally better in August. As you could see last year the
> fishing got better and better during our stay. That high up in the
mountain
> it isn't normally as warm water as what you experienced last year and as
> such that won't affect fishing all that much.
> If possible, try to stick to these dates. Although I myself will probably
be
> staying longer in order to fish with the late arriving Vaughan.
> We have to arrange for the dates when you want to be picked up by the
> helicopter. It will possibly take us three and three or four and four
> depending on how many we will be. So if three of us want to get home a day
> or two early we have to tell the pilot about this before flying out. The
> mobile phone coverage is under all criticism in this area, but once in a
> while you can climb a mountain and send an SMS message.


The wilderness version of the VodaCom Rock, eh?

OK, Dad, as I originally said, I'm fine with the dates as they stand. For
me, it doesn't work out at all to get done too soon and then have to sit
around for a week before coming to Congo. If Jarmo's friends are flexible
about dates and participants, and want to make their Salmon trip the last
week in July, I'd be up for doing that on week one and then coming to the
Lapland Clave. Of course, this might be a 'club' thing, and not open to
general roustabouts. Otherwise, I'll just fly in to Stockholm (or Umea) and
join the clave. Or even drive up with Osmo or Mike.

Also, if it turns out that I don't have to be back here until August 16 (a
distinct possibility), I'll stick around to fish with Vaughan, too. It would
make the return flight more economical, since there'd be 3 or 4 of us
instead, and I <love> being in that part of the world. :-)

--riverman

[Jarmo Hurri]

Long story short: while some of my friends are very punctual, others
have major problems in fixing their timetables - or lack the
willingness to do so. It is most probable that their schedule will
become available very close to the date of departure. It is also
fairly probable that the dates of the trip will overlap the clave.

I, on the other hand, boast on being flexible. :-) Seriously,
personally I prefer to fix the dates early on if possible.

The location I have in mind for the second week is a relatively small
and somewhat isolated river flowing into the Arctic Ocean. The river
contains small salmon (grilse), and presumably also sea-run trout, but
is mostly famous for its sea-run charr. I've never fished this river,
but have heard and read a lot about it. The straw that broke the
camel's back was a discussion I had with a Finnish guy who had been
fishing this river in the last two summers. Hard-fighting sea-run
charr with dries (and nymphs), with the occasional grilse - I decided
that I would really make an effort to visit this river next summer.

The fishing licenses cost much more than in Sweden - something like 27
euros per day. (This is not at all unusual in Norway.) We would be
living in a tent, and we would have to carry a week's supply of food
(something like a five-mile hike).

According to the texts I've seen, the charr run typically begins in
mid-July and lasts until the end of August. The week after the Swedish
clave would probably be better than the week before the clave.

--
Jarmo Hurri

Spam countermeasures included. Drop your brain when replying, or just
use .

[The Leaping Frog]

Oh joys of being an organiser with over enthusiatic participants - he says
for having tried himself!

Flexible for dates when the group decides. However will need to understand
when the helo flies in and out, even if there are two rotations. Taking more
than 6 working days holidays will be hard.
Another option that has always appealed to me would be to paddle back by
canoe in that case to Adolfstrom. Sorry Roger if I am throwing another
spanner in the works: do not know whether feasible with rapids, duration and
logistics with canoes but the thought crossed my mind. Please let me have
your thoughts. Anyone else interested?
I would had that I do not want to see a helo rotation for a group collapse
because of my fancy idea. I am prepared to contribute for a return flight as
required.

All fun, he?
Regards
Jerome
Roger Ohlund > wrote in message
...
> "riverman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Jarmo Hurri" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > I'm in, yes indeed.
> > >
> > > Seeing all the follow-ups with speculations about the exact timetable
> > > of the clave made me a bit unsure of whether the date is already
> > > fixed. Is the main event August 2-10 for sure?
> > >
> > > The reason I'm asking this is that the beginning of August is
> > > typically also the time when our group is fishing for salmon in
> > > northern Finland and Norway. They might be flexible, though, so I will
> > > let me know my timetable once it's fixed. (The clave has the highest
> > > priority for me.)
> > >
> >
> >
> > Hmmm, since my schedule seems to be a pivotal point to this entire clave
> > (too cool, thanks guys), maybe there's a way to get several things
> > accomplished here. Jarmo; when are the dates of your salmon trip, and
are
> > you available to do both? I would be very amenable to proposing having
the
> > Lapland Clave earlier (like the last week in July) so that you and
Vaughan
> > could come along, if I could join up with you on the Salmon trip
clave...
> > Would something like having the Lapp clave on July 26-Aug 1, then
driving
> > north together for the Salmon trip work? I'd be way into doing both, if
it
> > worked out.
> >
> > --riverman
> >
>
> You guys.......
>
> There's one more issue here. The cabin, as most of the Saami cabins in the
> mountain area, is not normally available to rent.
> It took quite a lot of persuasion and no small amount of work in locating
> the owners and getting them to agree to rent it to me. Fred was mighty
> surprised at the fact that I did get to rent it.
> The Swedish government does not allow anyone but the original inhabitants
of
> this area, the Saami, to build anything within the area.
> This means that cabins like this one is normally impossible to get a hold
> of.
> Also, while the last week in July would mean even brighter summer nights,
> the fishing is normally better in August. As you could see last year the
> fishing got better and better during our stay. That high up in the
mountain
> it isn't normally as warm water as what you experienced last year and as
> such that won't affect fishing all that much.
> If possible, try to stick to these dates. Although I myself will probably
be
> staying longer in order to fish with the late arriving Vaughan.
> We have to arrange for the dates when you want to be picked up by the
> helicopter. It will possibly take us three and three or four and four
> depending on how many we will be. So if three of us want to get home a day
> or two early we have to tell the pilot about this before flying out. The
> mobile phone coverage is under all criticism in this area, but once in a
> while you can climb a mountain and send an SMS message.
>
> /Roger
>
>
>

[riverman]

"The Leaping Frog" > wrote in message
...
> Oh joys of being an organiser with over enthusiatic participants - he says
> for having tried himself!
>
> Flexible for dates when the group decides. However will need to understand
> when the helo flies in and out, even if there are two rotations. Taking
more
> than 6 working days holidays will be hard.
> Another option that has always appealed to me would be to paddle back by
> canoe in that case to Adolfstrom. Sorry Roger if I am throwing another
> spanner in the works: do not know whether feasible with rapids, duration
and
> logistics with canoes but the thought crossed my mind. Please let me have
> your thoughts. Anyone else interested?

Oh mannnnnnnnnnnnnnn...................GBSEG {:-D

--riverman

Now THERE'S a thought....

[riverman]

"Jarmo Hurri" > wrote in message
...
>
> Long story short: while some of my friends are very punctual, others
> have major problems in fixing their timetables - or lack the
> willingness to do so. It is most probable that their schedule will
> become available very close to the date of departure. It is also
> fairly probable that the dates of the trip will overlap the clave.
>
> I, on the other hand, boast on being flexible. :-) Seriously,
> personally I prefer to fix the dates early on if possible.
>
> The location I have in mind for the second week is a relatively small
> and somewhat isolated river flowing into the Arctic Ocean. The river
> contains small salmon (grilse), and presumably also sea-run trout, but
> is mostly famous for its sea-run charr. I've never fished this river,
> but have heard and read a lot about it. The straw that broke the
> camel's back was a discussion I had with a Finnish guy who had been
> fishing this river in the last two summers. Hard-fighting sea-run
> charr with dries (and nymphs), with the occasional grilse - I decided
> that I would really make an effort to visit this river next summer.
>
> The fishing licenses cost much more than in Sweden - something like 27
> euros per day. (This is not at all unusual in Norway.) We would be
> living in a tent, and we would have to carry a week's supply of food
> (something like a five-mile hike).
>
> According to the texts I've seen, the charr run typically begins in
> mid-July and lasts until the end of August. The week after the Swedish
> clave would probably be better than the week before the clave.
>

Hmmm, this sounds suspiciously like a river I know...this isn't perchance
just southwest of Nordkaap, is it?

--riverman

[Roger Ohlund]

"The Leaping Frog" > wrote in message
...
> Oh joys of being an organiser with over enthusiatic participants - he says
> for having tried himself!
>
> Flexible for dates when the group decides. However will need to understand
> when the helo flies in and out, even if there are two rotations. Taking
more
> than 6 working days holidays will be hard.
> Another option that has always appealed to me would be to paddle back by
> canoe in that case to Adolfstrom. Sorry Roger if I am throwing another
> spanner in the works: do not know whether feasible with rapids, duration
and
> logistics with canoes but the thought crossed my mind. Please let me have
> your thoughts. Anyone else interested?
> I would had that I do not want to see a helo rotation for a group collapse
> because of my fancy idea. I am prepared to contribute for a return flight
as
> required.
>
> All fun, he?
> Regards
> Jerome

Actually, there are canoes to be rented starting from the major calm stretch
just outside Adolfstrom. It works this way: You pick a canoe number, then
you paddle upstream to the first rapids. You lock the canoe by a tree then
walk past the rapids and take the canoe with the exact same number. Repeat
this until you reach the Clave central, which is where you have to stop
anyway since the last canoe will have been 2 kilometers downstream. Now you
have canoes for the journey back ;-)
Not many choose this way up there, and even less will have the stamina to
paddle and walk as far as to our Clave central. Canoes are available in
three sets.

Don't worry about finding companions for the helicopter after say a week.
More people than you will think that a week is enough.

/Roger

[riverman]

"Roger Ohlund" > wrote in message
...
>

>
> Actually, there are canoes to be rented starting from the major calm
stretch
> just outside Adolfstrom. It works this way: You pick a canoe number, then
> you paddle upstream to the first rapids. You lock the canoe by a tree then
> walk past the rapids and take the canoe with the exact same number. Repeat
> this until you reach the Clave central, which is where you have to stop
> anyway since the last canoe will have been 2 kilometers downstream. Now
you
> have canoes for the journey back ;-)
> Not many choose this way up there, and even less will have the stamina to
> paddle and walk as far as to our Clave central. Canoes are available in
> three sets.
>
> Don't worry about finding companions for the helicopter after say a week.
> More people than you will think that a week is enough.
>


Hmm, what about this, then? Rent a canoe, and instead of paddling upstream,
tie it onto the helicopter leg and fly it to the clave. Then, float
downstream, portaging each of the rapids and drop it off at the lodge.

--riverman

[Roger Ohlund]

"riverman" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Roger Ohlund" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
>
> >
> > Actually, there are canoes to be rented starting from the major calm
> stretch
> > just outside Adolfstrom. It works this way: You pick a canoe number,
then
> > you paddle upstream to the first rapids. You lock the canoe by a tree
then
> > walk past the rapids and take the canoe with the exact same number.
Repeat
> > this until you reach the Clave central, which is where you have to stop
> > anyway since the last canoe will have been 2 kilometers downstream. Now
> you
> > have canoes for the journey back ;-)
> > Not many choose this way up there, and even less will have the stamina
to
> > paddle and walk as far as to our Clave central. Canoes are available in
> > three sets.
> >
> > Don't worry about finding companions for the helicopter after say a
week.
> > More people than you will think that a week is enough.
> >
>
>
> Hmm, what about this, then? Rent a canoe, and instead of paddling
upstream,
> tie it onto the helicopter leg and fly it to the clave. Then, float
> downstream, portaging each of the rapids and drop it off at the lodge.
>
> --riverman
>

I will humour you on this idea.
I can easily get access to one upto four canadian type canoes and I could
put them on a trailer to have them driven up to Adolfstrom.
As the helicopter needs to fly at least three times with just us ROFFians
and as I plan on staying longer to fish with Vaughan one could end the clave
with a three day downstream (towards the ocean BTW....uh....goddam I still
can't stop laughing about that one) float.
The only problem I see is that thee might be rapids there which you might be
the only one to handle.
Another problem is that I don't know whether the helicopter will take a
canoe, but this I can find out.

/Roger

[Osmo Jauhiainen]

"riverman" > wrote in message
...
>
> week in July, I'd be up for doing that on week one and then coming to the
> Lapland Clave. Of course, this might be a 'club' thing, and not open to
> general roustabouts. Otherwise, I'll just fly in to Stockholm (or Umea)
and
> join the clave. Or even drive up with Osmo or Mike.

Oh! Myron, this sounds great for me! But you know that I am driving from
Kuopio (remember where it is located?) and via Oulu, Haparanda, ...
I am not using the ferry from Vasa to Umea, because this causes another
100 euros extra cost and takes more time.

So, if you want to join me, you should fly to Kuopio or Oulu via Helsinki.

But you definitely are wellcome if you will!

OsmoJ

[Mike Connor]

"riverman" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
>

> general roustabouts. Otherwise, I'll just fly in to Stockholm (or Umea)
and
> join the clave. Or even drive up with Osmo or Mike.
>

Works for me. I have plenty of time, and basically no commitments. We could
fish on the way up. It might be of considerable adavantage, it is over
twenty years since I last pitched a tent! Mind you, I seem to remember
pitching the bloody thing quite a long way at the time! Especially when the
icy run-off from Blencathra inveigled its way in to the tent at about 03.00
HRS!

TL
MC

[Mike Connor]

"Osmo Jauhiainen" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
>
> "riverman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > week in July, I'd be up for doing that on week one and then coming to
the
> > Lapland Clave. Of course, this might be a 'club' thing, and not open to
> > general roustabouts. Otherwise, I'll just fly in to Stockholm (or Umea)
> and
> > join the clave. Or even drive up with Osmo or Mike.
>
> Oh! Myron, this sounds great for me! But you know that I am driving from
> Kuopio (remember where it is located?) and via Oulu, Haparanda, ...
> I am not using the ferry from Vasa to Umea, because this causes another
> 100 euros extra cost and takes more time.
>
> So, if you want to join me, you should fly to Kuopio or Oulu via Helsinki.
>
> But you definitely are wellcome if you will!
>
> OsmoJ
>

How about Myron and I driving up to Helsinki, and you show us the rest of
the way?


Doubtless we would find a pub or two, even in the wilderness! :) Maybe even
a river to fish!
TL
MC

[Jarmo Hurri]

>> Now what will be really interesting is to try to catch some
>> charr. Any special tips for this mysterious but delicious fish?

Roger> Ah, now there's a question for the masters of this pastime
Roger> called fly fishing. As you know I plan to hold a mini clave at
Roger> Ransaran creek, this is where you will be measured and judged
Roger> ;-)

Yes, I remember this plan very well with great pleasure. :-) Hmm, I
tried to look through my files, but I couldn't find the planned date
for this event. Was it right after midsummer (or before it)? I've got
to secure the home front well ahead.

Anyway, lo and behold, I picked up the newest copy of "Flugfiske i
Norden" today, and found in it an article with title "Röding in
Ransarån". What a coincidence! I can see why the river will be a
really nice place to pay a visit. :-) I don't know how popular the
creek has been so far, but it might very well see quite a few anglers
next year - I guess this type of articles tend to create some
additional activity.

[ Snipped a nice piece of text describing how to catch arctic
charr. Well, it was mostly about how _difficult it is_ to catch these
fish, perhaps best described by the following excerpt. ]

Roger> I've seen lb 11 Arctic char feed on Mysis only to duck away
Roger> from more than twenty different nymph imitations and streamers
Roger> presented by me. Imagine the feeling of seeing such a fish in a
Roger> 4 yard wide crystal clear stream, imagine also that you were
Roger> able to approach to a point within reach of a cast. Then you
Roger> get to see this huge fish ignore everything you can think of.

I've heard this type of stories before, and it immediately reminds me
of salmon fishing. Except that these fish are feeding actively, and
they _still_ ignore your flies. And you can see what they're
doing. What a terrible source of rejection anxiety.

One of the most interesting things I've read about these fish is that
they are very curious, and that characteristic can be used to catch
them. For example, the only way I've ever caught some of these fish
was by tying a small fly with a piece of monofilament behind a
lure. The fish come to see the lure, and then strike the fly. The fly
by itself did not do the trick. I've also heard of people teaming up
so that one guy uses spinning gear to attract the fish and another one
then catches them with fly-fishing gear. In the fear of a mighty blow
from the purist :-) I must immediately add that nothing like this will
take place in our group next year.

The author of the Ransarån article describes similar experiences and
techniques as you did (at one point it even occurred to me that you
might have been the author). There are also a couple of fly
suggestions in the article.

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[The Leaping Frog]

Exactly what I had in mind: nicely spellt out Mr Riverman!
Could be interesting indeed especially as my experience of going through
rapids in a canoe only stretches as far as a day on Orealven last year
paddling in a river looking more like a lake!

Would you mind enquiring with the helo company, Roger?
Jerome
Roger Ohlund > wrote in message
...
>
> "riverman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Roger Ohlund" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > Actually, there are canoes to be rented starting from the major calm
> > stretch
> > > just outside Adolfstrom. It works this way: You pick a canoe number,
> then
> > > you paddle upstream to the first rapids. You lock the canoe by a tree
> then
> > > walk past the rapids and take the canoe with the exact same number.
> Repeat
> > > this until you reach the Clave central, which is where you have to
stop
> > > anyway since the last canoe will have been 2 kilometers downstream.
Now
> > you
> > > have canoes for the journey back ;-)
> > > Not many choose this way up there, and even less will have the stamina
> to
> > > paddle and walk as far as to our Clave central. Canoes are available
in
> > > three sets.
> > >
> > > Don't worry about finding companions for the helicopter after say a
> week.
> > > More people than you will think that a week is enough.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Hmm, what about this, then? Rent a canoe, and instead of paddling
> upstream,
> > tie it onto the helicopter leg and fly it to the clave. Then, float
> > downstream, portaging each of the rapids and drop it off at the lodge.
> >
> > --riverman
> >
>
> I will humour you on this idea.
> I can easily get access to one upto four canadian type canoes and I could
> put them on a trailer to have them driven up to Adolfstrom.
> As the helicopter needs to fly at least three times with just us ROFFians
> and as I plan on staying longer to fish with Vaughan one could end the
clave
> with a three day downstream (towards the ocean BTW....uh....goddam I still
> can't stop laughing about that one) float.
> The only problem I see is that thee might be rapids there which you might
be
> the only one to handle.
> Another problem is that I don't know whether the helicopter will take a
> canoe, but this I can find out.
>
> /Roger
>
>
>

[Jarmo Hurri]

riverman> Hmmm, this sounds suspiciously like a river I know...this
riverman> isn't perchance just southwest of Nordkaap, is it?

With the abundance of rivers that the Norwegians have, I guess quite a
few rivers match my description. The river I'm talking about -
Langfjordelva - is actually east of Nordkapp.

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[Osmo Jauhiainen]

"Mike Connor" <Mike-Connor> kirjoitti
ranews.com...
>
> >
> > So, if you want to join me, you should fly to Kuopio or Oulu via
Helsinki.
> >
> > But you definitely are wellcome if you will!
> >
> > OsmoJ
> >
>
> How about Myron and I driving up to Helsinki, and you show us the rest of
> the way?

That would be ok for me! There are direct flights from Helsinki to Kuopio
and
Oulu. From Kuopio to Oulu it takes about 3 hours to drive by car.

> Doubtless we would find a pub or two, even in the wilderness! :) Maybe
even
> a river to fish!

Does this mean that we have to reserve one week for driving? Last time when
I
was driving this way to Laisan, I was stopping for 3 to 4 hours by Kiiminki
river
north from Oulu. There are sea-run salmon in this river as well as trout and
grayling.
But this time the water level was so low that I could not get touch with
these.

OsmoJ

[Mike Connor]

"Osmo Jauhiainen" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
>
> "Mike Connor" <Mike-Connor> kirjoitti
> ranews.com...
> >
> > >
> > > So, if you want to join me, you should fly to Kuopio or Oulu via
> Helsinki.
> > >
> > > But you definitely are wellcome if you will!
> > >
> > > OsmoJ
> > >
> >
> > How about Myron and I driving up to Helsinki, and you show us the rest
of
> > the way?
>
> That would be ok for me! There are direct flights from Helsinki to Kuopio
> and
> Oulu. From Kuopio to Oulu it takes about 3 hours to drive by car.
>
> > Doubtless we would find a pub or two, even in the wilderness! :) Maybe
> even
> > a river to fish!
>
> Does this mean that we have to reserve one week for driving? Last time
when
> I
> was driving this way to Laisan, I was stopping for 3 to 4 hours by
Kiiminki
> river
> north from Oulu. There are sea-run salmon in this river as well as trout
and
> grayling.
> But this time the water level was so low that I could not get touch with
> these.
>
> OsmoJ
>


Assuming I make it, and I see no reason why I should not do so at this point
in time, then it is basically immaterial how long it takes, or where we go.
I just have to persuade my neighbour to look after my cat for the time
involved! I will probably drive around a bit, both before and after the
clave, anyway.

Just at the moment, I am considering trading my Pajero in for a diesel
model, as this one uses rather a lot of petrol. If I do this, I will get
the long wheel base model, and fit it up for camping, etc.

Of course, I would need to park the rig somewhere safe while we were
actually claving. It is still really early days. Usually, I am not much in
favour of long term planning for such trips, as something then always seems
to go wrong!

Doubtless we will be discussing this for some time before all plans are
finalised. I am extremely flexible whatever is decided, as I am now de
facto a pensioner. The only real constraint on me, is the cost involved.

TL
MC

[Osmo Jauhiainen]

"Mike Connor" <Mike-Connor> kirjoitti
ranews.com...
>
>
> Doubtless we will be discussing this for some time before all plans are
> finalised. I am extremely flexible whatever is decided, as I am now de
> facto a pensioner. The only real constraint on me, is the cost involved.
>

Mike! You are lucky! I'm still working and this is restricting my hobbies
like fishing, hunting, etc. I envy you!

But what are your plans, Jarmo? If Mike and Myron drive to Helsinki,
you could also jump in!

OsmoJ

[Jarmo Hurri]

Osmo> But what are your plans, Jarmo? If Mike and Myron drive to
Osmo> Helsinki, you could also jump in!

Yes, that might be an option. I haven't been paying enough attention -
what was your plan again? Start from Helsinki and fish a few places on
your way up? It takes more time and money for the guys to come via
Finland, so I guess they would want some compensation, that is, more
fishing.

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[Osmo Jauhiainen]

"Jarmo Hurri" > kirjoitti
...
>
> Osmo> But what are your plans, Jarmo? If Mike and Myron drive to
> Osmo> Helsinki, you could also jump in!
>
> Yes, that might be an option. I haven't been paying enough attention -
> what was your plan again? Start from Helsinki and fish a few places on
> your way up? It takes more time and money for the guys to come via
> Finland, so I guess they would want some compensation, that is, more
> fishing.

Jarmo,

I was planning to drive by own car and in that case I was hoping to get
at least one passanger, because driving alone such a long way (last time
over 900 km to Dellikvallen and the same amout back home) is
hell a job! And also hoping to get someone to share the fuel cost with me.

But if Mike comes this way with his car, can we all four travel by his car?
And which way actually they are planning to use? We could find fishing
spots depending on the route! One choice is that I drive to Oulu and join
you
others there.

But as Mike mentioned, we still have lot of time to make the final plan.

OsmoJ

[riverman]

"Jarmo Hurri" > wrote in message
...
>
> riverman> Hmmm, this sounds suspiciously like a river I know...this
> riverman> isn't perchance just southwest of Nordkaap, is it?
>
> With the abundance of rivers that the Norwegians have, I guess quite a
> few rivers match my description. The river I'm talking about -
> Langfjordelva - is actually east of Nordkapp.
>
> --
>

Ahh, same general region. I was thinking of the Stabbursdalen, near Lakselv.
How do you get into the watershed of the Langfjordelva? Hike in from Ifjord?

--riverman
(still got my maps)

[Jarmo Hurri]

riverman> Ahh, same general region. I was thinking of the
riverman> Stabbursdalen, near Lakselv.

Stabburselva is truly a gorgeous river, maybe the most beautiful river
I have ever fished. I was there in 2000 for one day, but did not catch
anything. My friend caught his first salmon there on that day,
though. Fishing the lower parts of the river is fairly expensive - in
2000 it was 40 euros per day.

Anadromous fish can not reach the upper sections of the river
- I guess there is an unpassable waterfall somewhere up the river. The
upper parts of the river are supposed to be even more beautiful - from
what I've heard, it seems that there is a gorgeous valley there
surrounded by mountains from all sides. This region was opened to
public fishing, IIRC, two years ago. This is also on my list of places
to see, but maybe not this year.

riverman> How do you get into the watershed of the Langfjordelva? Hike
riverman> in from Ifjord?

A five-mile hike is what it needs. Another options is probably to take
the ferry to Laggo (where the river flows into the ocean).

--
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[Mike Connor]

"Osmo Jauhiainen" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
>
> I was planning to drive by own car and in that case I was hoping to get
> at least one passanger, because driving alone such a long way (last time
> over 900 km to Dellikvallen and the same amout back home) is
> hell a job! And also hoping to get someone to share the fuel cost with
me.
>
> But if Mike comes this way with his car, can we all four travel by his
car?
> And which way actually they are planning to use? We could find fishing
> spots depending on the route! One choice is that I drive to Oulu and join
> you
> others there.
>
> But as Mike mentioned, we still have lot of time to make the final plan.
>
> OsmoJ
>
>

My probable route is here;
http://www.reiseplanung.de/index.jsp

It is 1078 KM from Hamburg to Helsinki.

Including ferries, pauses, etc, I reckon about sixteen hours. Any detours
on the way would have to be factored in of course.

TL
MC

[Mike Connor]

"Mike Connor" <Mike-Connor> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
s.com...
>
> My probable route is here;
> http://www.reiseplanung.de/index.jsp
>
> It is 1078 KM from Hamburg to Helsinki.
>
> Including ferries, pauses, etc, I reckon about sixteen hours. Any
detours
> on the way would have to be factored in of course.
>
> TL
> MC
>
>
Sorry, that should of course read 25 hours! The planner agrees!

TL
MC

[Roger Ohlund]

"Mike Connor" <Mike-Connor> wrote in message
s.com...
>
> Of course, I would need to park the rig somewhere safe while we were
> actually claving.
>
I was kind of smiling to myself here......
I'd almost be willing to bet you a hundred dollar that if you left the car
unlocked at the heli platform with the keys in the ignition lock you'd find
the car standing at the same place with the same ammount of gas in it when
you came back from the mountain.
In any case if you just park by the heli platform AND lock the car it should
be OK.

/Roger

[Osmo Jauhiainen]

"Mike Connor" <Mike-Connor> kirjoitti
ranews.com...
>
> > But if Mike comes this way with his car, can we all four travel by his
> car?
> > And which way actually they are planning to use? We could find fishing
> > spots depending on the route! One choice is that I drive to Oulu and
join
> > you
> > others there.
> >
> > But as Mike mentioned, we still have lot of time to make the final
plan.
> >
> > OsmoJ
> >
> >
>
> My probable route is here;
> http://www.reiseplanung.de/index.jsp
>
> It is 1078 KM from Hamburg to Helsinki.
>
> Including ferries, pauses, etc, I reckon about sixteen hours. Any
detours
> on the way would have to be factored in of course.
>

Yes, but what route after Helsinki? This is what I was meaning.

OsmoJ

[Mike Connor]

"Osmo Jauhiainen" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
>
> "Mike Connor" <Mike-Connor> kirjoitti
> ranews.com...
> >
> > > But if Mike comes this way with his car, can we all four travel by his
> > car?
> > > And which way actually they are planning to use? We could find
fishing
> > > spots depending on the route! One choice is that I drive to Oulu and
> join
> > > you
> > > others there.
> > >
> > > But as Mike mentioned, we still have lot of time to make the final
> plan.
> > >
> > > OsmoJ
> > >
> > >
> >
> > My probable route is here;
> > http://www.reiseplanung.de/index.jsp
> >
> > It is 1078 KM from Hamburg to Helsinki.
> >
> > Including ferries, pauses, etc, I reckon about sixteen hours. Any
> detours
> > on the way would have to be factored in of course.
> >
>
> Yes, but what route after Helsinki? This is what I was meaning.
>
> OsmoJ
>
>

I was assuming you would know which route to take after Helsinki! :)

It looks like a massive detour though, so it is perhaps not such a good idea
after all. If I drove directly to Umea, then I would cut out some ferry
costs, and the total distance would be about 1500 km.

If I drove via Helsinki, then we have to make a big dogleg back into Sweden,
and this might put the distance up to as much as 2500 km. I would of course
prefer to avoid that.

Have to do some more research.

TL
MC

[riverman]

"Jarmo Hurri" > wrote in message
...
>
> riverman> Ahh, same general region. I was thinking of the
> riverman> Stabbursdalen, near Lakselv.
>
> Stabburselva is truly a gorgeous river, maybe the most beautiful river
> I have ever fished. I was there in 2000 for one day, but did not catch
> anything. My friend caught his first salmon there on that day,
> though. Fishing the lower parts of the river is fairly expensive - in
> 2000 it was 40 euros per day.
>
> Anadromous fish can not reach the upper sections of the river
> - I guess there is an unpassable waterfall somewhere up the river. The
> upper parts of the river are supposed to be even more beautiful - from
> what I've heard, it seems that there is a gorgeous valley there
> surrounded by mountains from all sides. This region was opened to
> public fishing, IIRC, two years ago. This is also on my list of places
> to see, but maybe not this year.

Lauren and I passed by there on our drive around Lapland two years ago. We
didn't have any real roadtrip strategies..we just followed the most
interesting looking roads as we worked our way northwards and enjoyed the
countryside. On our way towards Nordkaap, we were getting tired and decided
to stop at a campground-ish area for a food shop and a shower, and there was
this little store and some tents by a stream, so we pulled in. The pictures
on the wall in the store of those 50kg salmon got my attention, so I asked
the girl (15-16 yo) at the counter how the fishing was in the river. It was
very low water: the gravel bar at the mouth almost closed it off from the
sea. She said that folks hiked upstream to a big lake where there were some
real lunkers. Since I was a complete novice fly fisherman, I was fishing
without permits (I was really just practicing casting, as I had absolutely
no chance of really catching anything), so I hiked upstream that night about
10 km to see what it was like. Of course, not only did I not catch anything,
I never even got a strike or even saw a rise. BUT, it was the most magical,
beautiful wilderness hike I ever did...I stayed out all night (24 hour
daylight) and just enjoyed the hell out of it. Now that I know more about
flyfishing, I think of going back there all the time. It lacks the masses of
the Teno and the circus-like atmosphere of the Altaelva. Sort of like a
mom-and-pop backyard river with 2 meter salmon in it. But with my better
skills, of course I'll buy the permits this time.

--riverman

[Wolfgang]

"Jarmo Hurri" > wrote in message
...
>
> Stabburselva is truly a gorgeous river, maybe the most beautiful river
> I have ever fished......



Somewhere in this thread I saw a post from Asadi in which he expressed an
interest in attending this event. For God's sake, in the name of all that
is decent, do NOT let the boy near this river! :(

Wolfgang

[Roger Ohlund]

"Sandy" > wrote in message
...
> Roger Ohlund wrote:
> > "asadi" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> Hey Rog, how much for a decent, but not fancy hotel and a steak
> >> dinner at a good restaurant in Stockholm or Umea?
> >>
> >
> > Hotel.....I'll try and find out for you.
> > Steak......from US$12 and up.....
> >
> > /Roger
>
> This might help.
>
> http://www.hotelsswedenonline.com/
>
Thanks Sandy, I was looking for something similar to present to asadi.

/Roger
Don't let £600 and SWMBO scare you........

[Roger Ohlund]

"Jarmo Hurri" > wrote in message
...
>
> >> Now what will be really interesting is to try to catch some
> >> charr. Any special tips for this mysterious but delicious fish?
>
> Roger> Ah, now there's a question for the masters of this pastime
> Roger> called fly fishing. As you know I plan to hold a mini clave at
> Roger> Ransaran creek, this is where you will be measured and judged
> Roger> ;-)
>
> Yes, I remember this plan very well with great pleasure. :-) Hmm, I
> tried to look through my files, but I couldn't find the planned date
> for this event. Was it right after midsummer (or before it)? I've got
> to secure the home front well ahead.

Right after midsummer.

/Roger

[Roger Ohlund]

"Jarmo Hurri" > wrote in message
...
>
> >> Now what will be really interesting is to try to catch some
> >> charr. Any special tips for this mysterious but delicious fish?
>
> Roger> Ah, now there's a question for the masters of this pastime
> Roger> called fly fishing. As you know I plan to hold a mini clave at
> Roger> Ransaran creek, this is where you will be measured and judged
> Roger> ;-)
>
> Yes, I remember this plan very well with great pleasure. :-) Hmm, I
> tried to look through my files, but I couldn't find the planned date
> for this event. Was it right after midsummer (or before it)? I've got
> to secure the home front well ahead.
>
> Anyway, lo and behold, I picked up the newest copy of "Flugfiske i
> Norden" today, and found in it an article with title "Röding in
> Ransarån". What a coincidence! I can see why the river will be a
> really nice place to pay a visit. :-) I don't know how popular the
> creek has been so far, but it might very well see quite a few anglers
> next year - I guess this type of articles tend to create some
> additional activity.
>

Yes, but the stretch only allows 10 fishermen per day and I planned on
booking 10 for 48 hours.
The article was from the exact same spot where I caught my five Arctic char
on the last trip (all but one exceeding lb2). The inlet in the upper calm
stretch that the author writes about was where we had pitched our tent. You
can see more pictures from the area in the two Ransaran trip reports on the
web site, unless you already read them..
I'll get back with more info on this mini clave in May.

/Roger

[Jarmo Hurri]

riverman> Sort of like a mom-and-pop backyard river with 2 meter
riverman> salmon in it.

Exactly.

In summer 2000 when I was fishing the river there was a heatwave in
the Lappland area. The temperature was something like +25C in the
middle of the night.

We started fishing some time in the afternoon. The place where we
started fishing was a nice island in the middle of the stream. I could
have stayed on this island the whole week! A gorgeous spot, and
because the river is not too massive, you can see the salmon swimming
up the river. Big salmon.

There were two of us on the island, and we started to fish one side of
it so that the other guy waded slowly downstream after me. There was a
really good looking spot on the other side of the stream, and I cast
there a couple of times, but nothing happened. I went to my friend and
showed him the good spot. He landed his first ever salmon on his
second cast to the spot: a silvery 5lb grilse. And this was on the
first day of our trip. Mind you, the next salmon we caught was on the
_last_ day of our 14-day trip, so hooking those salmon can be quite a
bit of work...

Anyway, whereas the other guys went to sleep some time during the
night, I stayed up until the morning. The combination of 25C and the
neoprene waders I had at that time added an extra twist. I think I
sweated at least five liters during the night. But I really did not
even notice it before I returned to the camp and poured those five
liters out of the waders... And no, the waders did not leak, and
neither did I. ;-)

--
Jarmo Hurri

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[Osmo Jauhiainen]

"Mike Connor" <Mike-Connor> wrote in message
s.com...
>
> It looks like a massive detour though, so it is perhaps not such a good
idea
> after all. If I drove directly to Umea, then I would cut out some ferry
> costs, and the total distance would be about 1500 km.
>
> If I drove via Helsinki, then we have to make a big dogleg back into
Sweden,
> and this might put the distance up to as much as 2500 km. I would of
course
> prefer to avoid that.
>

Mike,

I understand your point. 1000 km forth and back is of course much unless
you really want to visit Finland and possibly see some fishing spots here.

No I am waiting for some other(s) to join me and share the trip and cost
with me.

Now that I have been loking the maps of the area, it seems that there is
only
about 20 km for walking to get to the cabin reserved for us. Am I right,
Roger?
This could be another oportunity to make the clave become true at reasonable
cost.
But I still am looking forward to see that I could drive with someone else
from here
to Adolfstrom village.

OsmoJ

[Mike Connor]

"Osmo Jauhiainen" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
>
> I understand your point. 1000 km forth and back is of course much unless
> you really want to visit Finland and possibly see some fishing spots here.
>
> No I am waiting for some other(s) to join me and share the trip and cost
> with me.
>
> Now that I have been loking the maps of the area, it seems that there is
> only
> about 20 km for walking to get to the cabin reserved for us. Am I right,
> Roger?
> This could be another oportunity to make the clave become true at
reasonable
> cost.
> But I still am looking forward to see that I could drive with someone else
> from here
> to Adolfstrom village.
>
> OsmoJ
>

Oh I have not written it off. Just needs thinking about. After all, I have
to do something or other! :)

Time is not the problem, but I have to be careful with my budget. We have
plenty of time to discuss it.

TL
MC