Kamchatka

[Dave LaCourse]

I'm thinking about a trip Kamchatka this year. Is there anyone reading these
pages that has been there or knows of someone who has? I understand the
rainbow trout are enormous as well as the char and grayling.
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

[Willi]

Dave LaCourse wrote:

> I'm thinking about a trip Kamchatka this year. Is there anyone reading these
> pages that has been there or knows of someone who has? I understand the
> rainbow trout are enormous as well as the char and grayling.
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html


There may be some better established trips but I've heard some wild
stories about fishing in Russia. From the accounts I've read, it is an
adventure. The HUGE fish, the rides in the old choppers held together
with bailing wire, being stranded in the back country, getting ripped
off, etc. all contributed to very memorable trips for the people writing
about them. Not sure if they would all go back but at least, they were
sure left with some great stories.

Willi

[Jim Ray]

--
"Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
...
> I'm thinking about a trip Kamchatka this year. Is there anyone reading
these
> pages that has been there or knows of someone who has? I understand the
> rainbow trout are enormous as well as the char and grayling.
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>


Dave:

I have two friends that have been. One went for steelhead, the other (a fly
shop owner) has been twice for Rainbows. Both report that it is a trip for
adventure minded folks only. They also said that it was a serious hurry up
and wait affair - get to the airport, wait 2 hours for the next plane or
helicopter. When it finally shows up, the pilot argues with someone from
outfitter for 45 minutes about something that gives you a very uneasy
feeling. Then you ride on in a helicopter that has seen much better days -
and you seriously wonder whether you will make it. They also both said that
their trips were cut short by bad weather that was supposedly coming in fast
and would prevent their scheduled departure - but neither saw evidence of
it. Both reported that the food wasn't great (pretty bad in fact) and that
the guides would go off hunting and prepare any game they shot for
themselves.

From a fishing standpoint, the Rainbows averaged 26", and my friend said he
caught over 150 in 4 days, plus probably 200 Tilapia (I think that was the
fish he mentioned, but I am not absolutely sure - anyway, he said they were
big and fun to catch). The fellow that went for steelhead happened to be
there at the same time as a group of diehards that fished BC alot. Their
take was that BC was better fishing alll around. My friend said the
steelhead fishing was fair to good, depending upon whether you were assigned
to a beat with fish in it. The good part was that he never saw someone that
wasn't part of the group. He also said that during the time he was there,
the guide never did anyof the things that he was "supposed" to do for
scientific purposes (collecting scale samples, etc.). Apparently, they had
collected all the data they needed early in the season.

In short, the Rainbow fisherman has been a couple times; the steelhead
fisherman said it was a once in a lifetime trip (a notch on the belt, but
not one he was anxious to repeat).

HTH

Jim Ray

[Sierra fisher]

A couple of years ago, Try Combs told me that he thought that you got better
bang for your buck by going to Alaska. He should know


"Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
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> I'm thinking about a trip Kamchatka this year. Is there anyone reading
these
> pages that has been there or knows of someone who has? I understand the
> rainbow trout are enormous as well as the char and grayling.
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>
>
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[Dave LaCourse]

Willi writes:

>There may be some better established trips but I've heard some wild
>stories about fishing in Russia.

Can you recommend another trip? From what I've been able to find out, the
Kamchatka trip is supposed to be very good.

From the accounts I've read, it is an
>adventure. The HUGE fish, the rides in the old choppers held together
>with bailing wire, being stranded in the back country, getting ripped
>off, etc. all contributed to very memorable trips for the people writing
>about them. Not sure if they would all go back but at least, they were
>sure left with some great stories.

The Helicopter is the MI-8 (NATO designation HIP). It is a very reliable
machine, sold throughout the world, and the most popular helicopter used in
Kamchatka.

I am assured that we will be fishing within two hours of landing at
Petropavlovsk. What were some of the bad and good stories, Willi?

Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

[tony weall]

i read a top book about flyfishing thru russia the writer had a lot of
experiences but the fishing was not great because of pollution
andoverfishing by a populace who have never heard of conservation apparentl
they use a lot of square hooks over there. i will post the title and author
of the book when i can put my hands on it(filed somewhere very safe)
tony
"Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
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> I'm thinking about a trip Kamchatka this year. Is there anyone reading
these
> pages that has been there or knows of someone who has? I understand the
> rainbow trout are enormous as well as the char and grayling.
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Dave LaCourse]

tony weall writes:

>i read a top book about flyfishing thru russia the writer had a lot of
>experiences but the fishing was not great because of pollution
>andoverfishing by a populace who have never heard of conservation apparentl
>they use a lot of square hooks over there. i will post the title and author
>of the book when i can put my hands on it(filed somewhere very safe)
>tony

<G> I'm not flyfishing through Russia, Tony. The Kamchatka penisula is about
as remote as you can get, so there would be absolutely no pollution, just big
wild trout, char, and salmon. The wilds of alaska would be civilized by
Kamchatka's standards. There are NO people where the camp is.

Thanks for you input.
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

[Svend Tang-Petersen]

Dave LaCourse wrote:

> I'm thinking about a trip Kamchatka this year. Is there anyone reading these
> pages that has been there or knows of someone who has? I understand the
> rainbow trout are enormous as well as the char and grayling.
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

Apparently one of the spey casters from the GCC has been a guide at a lodge
there.
Ill see if I can dig up some info. But the rainbows are supposedly huge and very

hungry. (There was an article in one of the latest mags.)

[Dave LaCourse]

Svend Tang-Petersen writes:

>Apparently one of the spey casters from the GCC has been a guide at a lodge
>there.
>Ill see if I can dig up some info. But the rainbows are supposedly huge and
>very
>
>hungry. (There was an article in one of the latest mags.)

Thanks, Svend.
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

[rw]

Some guys I met who went there told me a horror story. After they got to
the remote camp they were informed that the jet boat was broken and the
part wouldn't arrive for a week. This was known BEFORE they left home for
the trip. They had to wade-fish around camp, and there was no refund of any
kind. It sounded like a complete and very expensive bummer.

If I were going to Kamchatka I'd vet the outfitter very thoroughly and make
sure that the terms of the contract were crystal clear.

That said, I've heard there's some great fishing in Kamchatka.

I'm still looking forward to going to Alaska someday, if I can find a
companion who isn't terrified of the bears. :-)

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[Dave LaCourse]

Steve writes:

>Some guys I met who went there told me a horror story. After they got to
>the remote camp they were informed that the jet boat was broken and the
>part wouldn't arrive for a week. This was known BEFORE they left home for
>the trip. They had to wade-fish around camp, and there was no refund of any
>kind. It sounded like a complete and very expensive bummer.
>
>If I were going to Kamchatka I'd vet the outfitter very thoroughly and make
>sure that the terms of the contract were crystal clear.

The outfitter is "The Fly Shop" out of Redding, CA. They appear to have a good
reputation and have opened their own spots on some of the more remote rivers.
>
>That said, I've heard there's some great fishing in Kamchatka.
>
>I'm still looking forward to going to Alaska someday, if I can find a
>companion who isn't terrified of the bears. :-)

From what I've heard/read, the bears in most places aren't that difficult to
deal with. I've looked into several lodges/expeditions in Alaska, and they are
more expensive than Kamchatka (except for the travel expense). I am more than
a little concerned about the food offered by the Russians, but it couldn't be
any worse than military chow. Or could it?
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

[Sierra fisher]

I've taken one trip with The Fly Shop and it will be my last. three of us
wrote letters of complaint to them about the lodge, and their only reaction
was to argue with us and tell us why we were wrong.

Good luck!


"Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
...
> Steve writes:
>
> >Some guys I met who went there told me a horror story. After they got to
> >the remote camp they were informed that the jet boat was broken and the
> >part wouldn't arrive for a week. This was known BEFORE they left home for
> >the trip. They had to wade-fish around camp, and there was no refund of
any
> >kind. It sounded like a complete and very expensive bummer.
> >
> >If I were going to Kamchatka I'd vet the outfitter very thoroughly and
make
> >sure that the terms of the contract were crystal clear.
>
> The outfitter is "The Fly Shop" out of Redding, CA. They appear to have a
good
> reputation and have opened their own spots on some of the more remote
rivers.
> >
> >That said, I've heard there's some great fishing in Kamchatka.
> >
> >I'm still looking forward to going to Alaska someday, if I can find a
> >companion who isn't terrified of the bears. :-)
>
> From what I've heard/read, the bears in most places aren't that difficult
to
> deal with. I've looked into several lodges/expeditions in Alaska, and
they are
> more expensive than Kamchatka (except for the travel expense). I am more
than
> a little concerned about the food offered by the Russians, but it couldn't
be
> any worse than military chow. Or could it?
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>
>
>
>
>
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>


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[Bob Patton]

"Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
...
> I'm thinking about a trip Kamchatka this year. Is there anyone reading
these
> pages that has been there or knows of someone who has? I understand the
> rainbow trout are enormous as well as the char and grayling.
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>

er, um, well, er . . . No.
Bob

[bruiser]

I enjoyed reading about Kamchatka (and all of the other places) in the Fly
Shop catalog. It's also interesting how far out of their way they go to let
you know how far out in the sticks Redding CA is! Almost like they've got a
complex or something.

bruce h

[Ernie]

"bruiser" > wrote in message
...
> I enjoyed reading about Kamchatka (and all of the other places)
in the Fly
> Shop catalog. It's also interesting how far out of their way
they go to let
> you know how far out in the sticks Redding CA is! Almost like
they've got >a complex or something.
> bruce h

Hmm,
The last time I was in Redding it was on Interstate 5, a few
hours from San Francisco. Someone must have moved it. :)
There is some great trout fishing below and above Shasta Lake.
The McCloud river runs into Shasta Lake and that's where the
Rainbow Trout came from that were transported all over the world.
The McCloud river is formed by snow melt from Mount Shasta.
There is a place called Big Springs where icy water gushes from a
lava tube coming from Mount Shasta and doubles the size of the
McCloud. I waded upstream across that flow without boots one
summer and had no feeling left in my legs by the time I got
across.
I caught and released a six inch Dolly Varden in the McCloud.
The only one I have ever seen. They were very scarce and
protected at the time. It was a beautiful trout.
You can see Mount Shasta for 100 miles when you drive up
Interstate 5 toward Redding.
Ernie

[B J Conner]

We had a fellow at our club give a talk on Kamchatka. I can't remember his
name but I can get it tomorrow and send it on. He spends his summers
guiiding in Kamchatka and his winters guiding steelhead in the Northwest.
He gave a terrific talk and slide show. There was fish all over the place,
the guys could not let there lines dangle in the water while they looked in
their fly box or they would have another fish.
From what I saw I'd go if I had the coin. He had lots of slides told many
stories about the people. Msot of the guides live in the city and go down
on the pennisula in the summer to run fish camps and guide. It looked like
a pretty premeative life, plywood shacks, like maby no outdoor toilets, just
lots of brush. The food was basic and simple. The people were freindly and
seem to enjoy the whole buisness.
One of the guides had a dog he didn't feed - the dog was on his own. Once
when he was fishing the dog saw an ermine on the shore, jumped out of the
boat swam over and ate the ermine.
He confirmed what I have always though about Russians, that is if we could
communicate we would on an indivual basis get along pretty good. I got the
impression they weren't any different from someone you would run accross in
Maine, Alaska, or lots of places you have fished.
Oh yeah there was bugs and bears. Someone in the groups always packed a
rifle.
"Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
...
> I'm thinking about a trip Kamchatka this year. Is there anyone reading
these
> pages that has been there or knows of someone who has? I understand the
> rainbow trout are enormous as well as the char and grayling.
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Svend Tang-Petersen]

(Dave LaCourse) wrote in message >...
> I'm thinking about a trip Kamchatka this year. Is there anyone reading these
> pages that has been there or knows of someone who has? I understand the
> rainbow trout are enormous as well as the char and grayling.
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

Dave,

Fish&Fly, winter 2003 p50: Rainbows over Kamchatka

(Written by Will Blair from The Fly Shop).

I havent looked at this: www.kamchatkawaters.com

[Dave LaCourse]

Svend writes:

>
>Fish&Fly, winter 2003 p50: Rainbows over Kamchatka
>
>(Written by Will Blair from The Fly Shop).

Yes. I've seen the article. Will Blair is a "travel specialist" at The Fly
Shop in Redding. I've talked to him on the phone a couple of times.
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

[Sierra fisher]

I believe that protecton didn't help the Dollys. I think that the last one
caught was quite awhile ago.

"Ernie" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "bruiser" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I enjoyed reading about Kamchatka (and all of the other places)
> in the Fly
> > Shop catalog. It's also interesting how far out of their way
> they go to let
> > you know how far out in the sticks Redding CA is! Almost like
> they've got >a complex or something.
> > bruce h
>
> Hmm,
> The last time I was in Redding it was on Interstate 5, a few
> hours from San Francisco. Someone must have moved it. :)
> There is some great trout fishing below and above Shasta Lake.
> The McCloud river runs into Shasta Lake and that's where the
> Rainbow Trout came from that were transported all over the world.
> The McCloud river is formed by snow melt from Mount Shasta.
> There is a place called Big Springs where icy water gushes from a
> lava tube coming from Mount Shasta and doubles the size of the
> McCloud. I waded upstream across that flow without boots one
> summer and had no feeling left in my legs by the time I got
> across.
> I caught and released a six inch Dolly Varden in the McCloud.
> The only one I have ever seen. They were very scarce and
> protected at the time. It was a beautiful trout.
> You can see Mount Shasta for 100 miles when you drive up
> Interstate 5 toward Redding.
> Ernie
>
>


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[Wayne Harrison]

"Ernie" > wrote

> The McCloud river runs into Shasta Lake and that's where the
> Rainbow Trout came from that were transported all over the world.

never knew that. thanks for the info.


> The McCloud river is formed by snow melt from Mount Shasta.
> There is a place called Big Springs where icy water gushes from a
> lava tube coming from Mount Shasta and doubles the size of the
> McCloud. I waded upstream across that flow without boots one
> summer and had no feeling left in my legs by the time I got
> across.

that kind of thing fascinates me. the yadkin river, where my old
homeplace in rowan county, nc, is located, is a brown, gummy mess about two
hundred yards wide. about 120 miles upstream, i have caught wild rainbows
from its headwaters around blowing rock, and jumped across it at the point i
stopped fishing.

yfitons
wayno

[Bill Kiene]

Hi Dave,

I have friends that have gone with Larry Schoenborn ( TV fishing show guy)
twice now to Kamchatka and had a great time. They are in the picture on the
front page of his web sight.

http://www.fishingwithlarry.com/

PS: Love that car of yours....450hp.

--
Bill Kiene

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
...

> I'm thinking about a trip Kamchatka this year. Is there anyone reading
these
> pages that has been there or knows of someone who has? I understand the
> rainbow trout are enormous as well as the char and grayling.
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Dave LaCourse]

Bill Kiene writes:

>I have friends that have gone with Larry Schoenborn ( TV fishing show guy)
>twice now to Kamchatka and had a great time. They are in the picture on the
>front page of his web sight.
>
>http://www.fishingwithlarry.com/
>
>PS: Love that car of yours....450hp.
>
>--
>Bill Kiene
>
>Web site: www.kiene.com
>

Hi, Bill. Thanks for that link. The picture reminds me of a few roffians I've
seen. That is an Orvis lodge, which is probably my best bet as far as a
guarantee is concerned.

I love the car too. I can't believe how quick it is.
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

[Wayne Harrison]

"Dave LaCourse" > wrote > I love the car too. I can't
believe how quick it is.
>
i can't wait to see how it looks in the rear view mirror of a jeep
cherokee... :)

yfitons
wayno
>
>

[Dave LaCourse]

Greg whatshisname writes:

>>
>>I love the car too. I can't believe how quick it is.
>>Dave
>
>
> I hear that it shifts gears faster than the
> administration :-)

You bad. d;o)

[Dave LaCourse]

wayno writes:

> i can't wait to see how it looks in the rear view mirror of a jeep
>cherokee... :)

No racing this one on gravel roads. Besides, it's my turn to go first and kick
up stones for you to hit. d;o)


Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

[Ernie]

"Sierra fisher" > wrote in
message ...
> I believe that protecton didn't help the Dollys. I think that
the last one
> caught was quite awhile ago.

Yes, I know, It's a damn shame. They were a unique fish.
Ernie

[daytripper]

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:40:22 GMT, "Ernie"
> wrote:

>
>"Sierra fisher" > wrote in
>message ...
>> I believe that protecton didn't help the Dollys. I think that
>the last one
>> caught was quite awhile ago.
>
>Yes, I know, It's a damn shame. They were a unique fish.

Plenty of Dolly's in way-northern Quebec...

[Ernie]

"daytripper" > wrote in message
...
> Plenty of Dolly's in way-northern Quebec...

Yes, I know but the name Dolly Varden was given to the one's in
the McCloud by a woman who thought the fish looked like Dolly
Varden's dress. The name stuck, probably because "Bull Trout" is
such a plain name. As far as I know the McCloud was the only
West Coast River where the Dolly Varden was found.
Ernie

[jlp]

Dave,

had the pleasure of fishing there in 2000.
See http://home.teleport.com/~salmo/K2000/ for some of my pictures.
Interesting to see what a largley unspoiled (logging, dams, etc.) watershedd
acutally
looks like and the quantity of big trout, salmon, char and predators it can
support.

Am starting to plan next trip,

--

Jeff


NFS
http://home.teleport.com/~salmo/






"Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
...
> I'm thinking about a trip Kamchatka this year. Is there anyone reading
these
> pages that has been there or knows of someone who has? I understand the
> rainbow trout are enormous as well as the char and grayling.
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Dave LaCourse]

jlp writes:

>Dave,
>
>had the pleasure of fishing there in 2000.
>See http://home.teleport.com/~salmo/K2000/ for some of my pictures.
>Interesting to see what a largley unspoiled (logging, dams, etc.) watershedd
>acutally
>looks like and the quantity of big trout, salmon, char and predators it can
>support.
>
>Am starting to plan next trip,
>
>--
>
>Jeff


Thanks for the link/info. I had changed my mind and was just about to book a
week in Alaska when your post appeared. Now I will have to reconsider
Kamchatka.
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

[troutbum_mt]

says...
> On 06 Feb 2004 14:12:49 GMT, (Dave LaCourse)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I love the car too. I can't believe how quick it is.
> >Dave
>
>
> I hear that it shifts gears faster than the
> administration :-)

Clinton Administration, that is. I hear it is *really* fast. <bseg>
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[troutbum_mt]

says...
> had the pleasure of fishing there in 2000.
> See http://home.teleport.com/~salmo/K2000/ for some of my pictures.
> Interesting to see what a largley unspoiled (logging, dams, etc.) watershedd
> acutally
> looks like and the quantity of big trout, salmon, char and predators it can
> support.

Very cool link, thanks for sharing.
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[JR]

Greg Pavlov wrote:
>
> On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 troutbum_mt wrote:
> >
> >Clinton Administration, that is. I hear it is *really* fast. <bseg>
>
> As has often been pointed out, the right wing longs for the past.

.... and for fiscal responsibility. <g>

JR

[Wolfgang]

"JR" > wrote in message ...
> Greg Pavlov wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 troutbum_mt wrote:
> > >
> > >Clinton Administration, that is. I hear it is *really* fast. <bseg>
> >
> > As has often been pointed out, the right wing longs for the past.
>
> ... and for fiscal responsibility. <g>

Well, you only long for what you haven't got, right?

Wolfgang

[troutbum_mt]

says...
> As has often been pointed out, the right wing longs for the past.

And the left wing is still hiding from it.
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[troutbum_mt]

says...
> Greg Pavlov wrote:
> > As has often been pointed out, the right wing longs for the past.
>
> ... and for fiscal responsibility. <g>

Don't remind me. I am not looking forward to retiring at the age of
104......
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[daytripper]

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 09:55:20 -0700, troutbum_mt > wrote:

says...
>> As has often been pointed out, the right wing longs for the past.
>
>And the left wing is still hiding from it.

Hmm....years of the lowest unemployment in decades, responsible budgets, the
end of deficit spending, a country others trusted, respected and wanted to
emulate...

/daytripper (Yeah, we're hiding from that)

[JR]

daytripper wrote:
>
> On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 09:55:20 -0700, troutbum_mt > wrote:
>
> says...
> >> As has often been pointed out, the right wing longs for the past.
> >
> >And the left wing is still hiding from it.
>
> Hmm....years of the lowest unemployment in decades, responsible budgets, the
> end of deficit spending, a country others trusted, respected and wanted to
> emulate...

Yeah, but what's all that compared to an extramarital affair?

JR
(sometimes I think we anti-fascists have our priorities all wrong.
<sigh>)

[troutbum_mt]

says...
> Hmm....years of the lowest unemployment in decades, responsible budgets, the
> end of deficit spending, a country others trusted, respected and wanted to
> emulate...
>
> /daytripper (Yeah, we're hiding from that)

Remember some of this?

http://prorev.com/wwindex.htm
http://www.pollingreport.com/scandals.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/scandals_arc.html
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[daytripper]

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:46:56 -0700, troutbum_mt > wrote:

says...
>> Hmm....years of the lowest unemployment in decades, responsible budgets, the
>> end of deficit spending, a country others trusted, respected and wanted to
>> emulate...
>>
>> /daytripper (Yeah, we're hiding from that)
>
>Remember some of this?
>
>http://prorev.com/wwindex.htm
>http://www.pollingreport.com/scandals.htm
>http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/scandals_arc.html

Ah - I see your problem - you think wingnut screeds outweigh "years of the
lowest unemployment in decades, responsible budgets, the end of deficit
spending, a country others trusted, respected and wanted to emulate".

You want to play Link War? Bring it on!

http://www.fair.org/press-releases/beyond-niger.html
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/2003.asp
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0338/schanberg.php
http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=12126&c=207
http://www.ctj.org/html/gwbfinal.htm
http://www.cbpp.org/10-16-03tax.htm
http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=124&subsecid=900019&contentid=251895
http://www.moveonvoterfund.org/deficit.html

Imagine these running during the election...

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/01_small.shtml
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/1024_small.shtml
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/2472_small.shtml
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/2232_small.shtml

It will take decades to recover from the mess the Smirking Chimp has created.
The US simply cannot afford another term.

/daytripper (I bet you think Ann Coulter *isn't* a two-bagger, too ;-)

[daytripper]

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:46:56 -0700, troutbum_mt > wrote:

says...
>> Hmm....years of the lowest unemployment in decades, responsible budgets, the
>> end of deficit spending, a country others trusted, respected and wanted to
>> emulate...
>>
>> /daytripper (Yeah, we're hiding from that)
>
>Remember some of this?
>
>http://prorev.com/wwindex.htm
>http://www.pollingreport.com/scandals.htm
>http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/scandals_arc.html

Ah - I see your problem - you think wingnut screeds outweigh "years of the
lowest unemployment in decades, responsible budgets, the end of deficit
spending, a country others trusted, respected and wanted to emulate".

You want to play Link War? Bring it on!

http://www.fair.org/press-releases/beyond-niger.html
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/2003.asp
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0338/schanberg.php
http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=12126&c=207
http://www.ctj.org/html/gwbfinal.htm
http://www.cbpp.org/10-16-03tax.htm
http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=124&subsecid=900019&contentid=251895
http://www.moveonvoterfund.org/deficit.html

Imagine these running during the election...

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/01_small.shtml
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/1024_small.shtml
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/2472_small.shtml
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/2232_small.shtml

It will take decades to recover from the mess the Smirking Chimp has created.
The US simply cannot afford another term.

/daytripper (I bet you think Ann Coulter *isn't* a two-bagger, too ;-)

[troutbum_mt]

says...
> Ah - I see your problem - you think wingnut screeds outweigh "years of the
> lowest unemployment in decades, responsible budgets, the end of deficit
> spending, a country others trusted, respected and wanted to emulate".

And I see your problem - you think Clinton was personally responsible
for all of that. In all actuality, Clinton was responsible for much
more. It could be said that he was partially responsible for 9/11 by
not taking bin Laden seriously and doing far too little to bring about
bin Laden's early demise. I bet he regrets not taking Sudan up on their
offer of handing him over to the US now... Then there is the fact that
some people are blaming Clinton for our high unemployment rates and a
fair argument could be made that he is somewhat responsible for that by
promoting and eventually signing NAFTA.

This is pretty old but gives a fairly accurate picture of what NAFTA has
gained us:
http://user.icx.net/~pace/nafta.html

Responsible budgets you say? You are right! Thank God for that
Republican Contract With America.
http://www.etherzone.com/2001/pric071601.shtml

> You want to play Link War? Bring it on!

Okay, then "war" it shall be. <g>

http://www.newsmax.com/clinton2.mp3
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/03/clinton.bin.laden/
http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2002/8/12/24124
http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/10/22/45547
http://makeashorterlink.com/?D29B53757
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/6/172958.shtml
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23999
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,3148,00.html
http://www.s-t.com/daily/03-96/03-05-96/1clinton.htm
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,3148,00.html
http://www.youdebate.com/DEBATES/travelgate.HTM
http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/oped/owens/99/kosovo2.html
http://www.conservativenews.net/InDepth/archive/199904/IND19990405e.html
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/02/26/clinton.lincoln/

I've barely scratched the surface so far. :-(

> It will take decades to recover from the mess the Smirking Chimp has created.
> The US simply cannot afford another term.

I pretty much agree with that and will have a hell of a hard time
justifying a vote for Bush should I choose to do so. I totally agree
with some of the things that he has done but am totally opposed to
others (deficit, the Great American Rip off courtesy of Cheney, Bush and
Halliburton, etc). Personally, I am pretty disgusted with our "system"
right now even though it is technically "business as usual."

As relevant today as it was when first penned and applies to BOTH
parties:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?D2EE41757

> /daytripper (I bet you think Ann Coulter *isn't* a two-bagger, too ;-)

To be honest with you, I don't think of Ann Coulter at all. Based on
the pics I have seen when I checked google, I think I could do her with
the aid of a twelve pack. As my friend used to say, "You can drink an
ugly woman pretty, but you can't drink a fat woman thin!" She's not
nearly as ugly as Hillary. Hillary is a triple bagger and would require
an oil tanker full of brew. <bseg>
--
Warren
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http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/MadisonConclave.html

[ezflyfisher]

Dave LaCourse wrote:

> I'm thinking about a trip Kamchatka this year. Is there anyone reading these
> pages that has been there or knows of someone who has? I understand the
> rainbow trout are enormous as well as the char and grayling.
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>
>
>

dave, late to the thread and i know ya booked AK instead.... but I hear
these guys are good:

http://flywatertravel.com/russiamongolia.html

wally

[JohnR]

You're probably talking about "Reeling Through Russia" by Fen Montaigne. He
used to be the Moscow bureau chief for some big US newspaper.

It is a fun book to read yet it makes you sad when you see the waste that
the Russians/Soviets made of such a awesome land.

He ended his trip on Kamchatka and had good things to say about it.

-John
"tony weall" > wrote in message
. ..
> i read a top book about flyfishing thru russia the writer had a lot of
> experiences but the fishing was not great because of pollution
> andoverfishing by a populace who have never heard of conservation
apparentl
> they use a lot of square hooks over there. i will post the title and
author
> of the book when i can put my hands on it(filed somewhere very safe)
> tony
> "Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I'm thinking about a trip Kamchatka this year. Is there anyone reading
> these
> > pages that has been there or knows of someone who has? I understand the
> > rainbow trout are enormous as well as the char and grayling.
> > Dave
> >
> > http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>