question about steelhead rainbow and rainbow

[Steve_sullivan]

Why are steelhead rainbow pink and resident rainbow white? (the inside
meat).

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[Chas Wade]

Steve_sullivan > wrote:
>Why are steelhead rainbow pink and resident rainbow white? (the
>inside
>meat).
>
They're not. Any fish has different color depending on what he's
eaten. freshly planted hatchery fish have white meat because they've
been eating beef by-products and such. The pink meat comes from fish
that eat shrimp and scuds and most bugs. predatory fish often have
lighter meat. Even king salmon come with white meat if their diet is
right. The white kings taste just as good as the red ones.

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[Sierra fisher]

To some extent, the color of the meat in fish is determined by what they
eat. Trout that eat a lot of shrimp (and scuds) have pink meat. Trout that
eat mostly aquatic insects have white meat.
However salmon and steelhead are invariable pink or slightly orange. If you
eat steelhead that have been in fresh water for months eating mostly
insects, they are still a light orange. . It is arguable about how much
steelhead eat after they enter fresh water. However they eat enough that
you can catch them a nymphs and occasionlly dry flies
Salmon eat nothing once they come into fresh water: some people believe that
most salmon are snagged because it is impossible for them to eat after they
have been in fresh water for a day or so.
Trout that go to the ocean are usually called "sea run trout". there are
types of cuttthroat and rainbows that spend some time in salt water. they
are different than steelhead.

I read and I cannot remember where, that when settlers originally traveled
to the west coast and discovered "rainbows", they had difficulty moving them
to new streams because they wanted to return to the ocean. Finall The
McClaod and Eagle Lake strains were found which did not have this tendency.
Most planted fish now come from these strains.

"Steve_sullivan" > wrote in message
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> Why are steelhead rainbow pink and resident rainbow white? (the inside
> meat).
>
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> ultimately will lose both" - Abraham Lincoln


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[Dave LaCourse]

On the north end of the island of Adak (in the Aleutians) at the foot of Mt.
Moffett is a fresh water lake. The fish caught there are called Japanese
Perch, or at least that is what we called them. They could get quite large
(for a perch) and were very tasty. Only problem was that the meat was blue,
about the color of the sky. When it was cooked, the meat turned white. What
would cause this meat to be blue?
Dave

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[Sierra fisher]

Maybe they were cold!


"Dave LaCourse" > wrote in message
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> On the north end of the island of Adak (in the Aleutians) at the foot of
Mt.
> Moffett is a fresh water lake. The fish caught there are called Japanese
> Perch, or at least that is what we called them. They could get quite
large
> (for a perch) and were very tasty. Only problem was that the meat was
blue,
> about the color of the sky. When it was cooked, the meat turned white.
What
> would cause this meat to be blue?
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
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[daytripper]

On 07 Feb 2004 22:56:22 GMT, (Dave LaCourse) wrote:

>On the north end of the island of Adak (in the Aleutians) at the foot of Mt.
>Moffett is a fresh water lake. The fish caught there are called Japanese
>Perch, or at least that is what we called them. They could get quite large
>(for a perch) and were very tasty. Only problem was that the meat was blue,
>about the color of the sky. When it was cooked, the meat turned white. What
>would cause this meat to be blue?

Blood?

[Chas Wade]

(Dave LaCourse) wrote:
>On the north end of the island of Adak (in the Aleutians) at the foot
>of Mt.
>Moffett is a fresh water lake. The fish caught there are called
>Japanese
>Perch, or at least that is what we called them. They could get quite
>large
>(for a perch) and were very tasty. Only problem was that the meat was
>blue,
>about the color of the sky. When it was cooked, the meat turned
>white. What
>would cause this meat to be blue?

I'm not sure what food it is, but Ling Cod have a tendancy to be a pale
blue too. Any idea what these perch ate? Were there any other fish in
the lake? Was it pure fresh water, or brackish?

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[Chas Wade]

"Sierra fisher" > wrote:
>... snip ...
>Salmon eat nothing once they come into fresh water: some people
>believe that
>most salmon are snagged because it is impossible for them to eat after
>they
>have been in fresh water for a day or so.

My son Andy caught a Silver salmon last year on the Skagit above
Rockport that had a skulpin and a half digested whitefish in it's
stomach. I've found that the fish quit feeding as they get close to
spawning, but that it's not necessarily related to when they enter the
rivers. The same is true of the change from ocean coloration to
spawning colors. Andy's fish was ocean bright, but had no sea lice.
That indicates he'd been in the river a few days. Considering that
he'd come more than 70 miles upstream in a big river that makes sense.
The fish was caught in October, and the fish was probably going to
spawn in November or December.

It's rare to find anything in a salmon or steelhead's stomach, but it
does happen. Deschutes and Kalama steelhead often have a stomach full
of grasshoppers or stonefly nymphs.

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[Wayne Harrison]

"Dave LaCourse" > wrote

.. Only problem was that the meat was blue,
> about the color of the sky. When it was cooked, the meat turned white.
What
> would cause this meat to be blue?
> Dave

if god were not a tar heel, then why are valium, viagra, and this
bizarre fish meat, *carolina blue*?

yfitons
wayno

[Dave LaCourse]

Chas writes:

>I'm not sure what food it is, but Ling Cod have a tendancy to be a pale
>blue too. Any idea what these perch ate? Were there any other fish in
>the lake? Was it pure fresh water, or brackish?

The water was very clear and it was fresh water. There is a salt water
Japanese Perch that was (is?) caught commercially. It was a very tasty meal.
Several Chiefs would go fishing and we'd have a fish fry in the CPO Mess.
Beside the perch, there were Dolly Varden caught in another much smaller lake.
Great eating. But blue flesh was a little freaky.
Dave

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[Sierra fisher]

I once had a guy butcher a salmon and show me that the esophogus(sp?) was
swollen shut. According to him, this is supposed to happen whithin a day or
so after a salmon enters fresh water. I'm not a fish biologist, and
sometimes I'm too ready to accept other peoples theories. But hae seemed
honest and knowledgeable.


"Chas Wade" > wrote in message
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> "Sierra fisher" > wrote:
> >... snip ...
> >Salmon eat nothing once they come into fresh water: some people
> >believe that
> >most salmon are snagged because it is impossible for them to eat after
> >they
> >have been in fresh water for a day or so.
>
> My son Andy caught a Silver salmon last year on the Skagit above
> Rockport that had a skulpin and a half digested whitefish in it's
> stomach. I've found that the fish quit feeding as they get close to
> spawning, but that it's not necessarily related to when they enter the
> rivers. The same is true of the change from ocean coloration to
> spawning colors. Andy's fish was ocean bright, but had no sea lice.
> That indicates he'd been in the river a few days. Considering that
> he'd come more than 70 miles upstream in a big river that makes sense.
> The fish was caught in October, and the fish was probably going to
> spawn in November or December.
>
> It's rare to find anything in a salmon or steelhead's stomach, but it
> does happen. Deschutes and Kalama steelhead often have a stomach full
> of grasshoppers or stonefly nymphs.
>
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[Charlie Choc]

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:28:18 GMT, "Wayne Harrison"
> wrote:

> if god were not a tar heel, then why are valium, viagra, and this
>bizarre fish meat, *carolina blue*?
>
Because tar heels are hyper, have limp dicks, and will eat anything
labeled "meat"? <g>
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Charlie...

[B J Conner]

Cabezon have blue flesh, not just a tint but blue. They are uglier than
ling cod but don't get as large. Being ugly and blue doesn't affect the
taste. They are quite good. They are alse finny and have sharp spines and
the holes they make in you can hurt for days. . The safest way to clean
them was to skin em after attaching their head to board with an ice pick.


"Chas Wade" > wrote in message
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> (Dave LaCourse) wrote:
> >On the north end of the island of Adak (in the Aleutians) at the foot
> >of Mt.
> >Moffett is a fresh water lake. The fish caught there are called
> >Japanese
> >Perch, or at least that is what we called them. They could get quite
> >large
> >(for a perch) and were very tasty. Only problem was that the meat was
> >blue,
> >about the color of the sky. When it was cooked, the meat turned
> >white. What
> >would cause this meat to be blue?
>
> I'm not sure what food it is, but Ling Cod have a tendancy to be a pale
> blue too. Any idea what these perch ate? Were there any other fish in
> the lake? Was it pure fresh water, or brackish?
>
> Chas
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[Ken Fortenberry]

Charlie Choc wrote:

> "Wayne Harrison" wrote:
>
>> if god were not a tar heel, then why are valium, viagra, and this
>>bizarre fish meat, *carolina blue*?
>
> Because tar heels are hyper, have limp dicks, and will eat anything
> labeled "meat"? <g>

Hilarious.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[Ernie]

"Sierra fisher" > wrote in
message ...
> I once had a guy butcher a salmon and show me that the
esophogus(sp?) was
> swollen shut. According to him, this is supposed to happen
whithin a day or
> so after a salmon enters fresh water. I'm not a fish
biologist, and
> sometimes I'm too ready to accept other peoples theories. But
hae seemed
> honest and knowledgeable.

I think this is natures way of preventing the spawning salmon
from depleting the food supply needed for their offspring, or
preventing them from eating the eggs. The bodies of the spawned
salmon also provide a tremendous amount of material to the food
chain.
Ernie

[Sierra fisher]

I wished i would have said that!


"Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in message
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> Charlie Choc wrote:
>
> > "Wayne Harrison" wrote:
> >
> >> if god were not a tar heel, then why are valium, viagra, and this
> >>bizarre fish meat, *carolina blue*?
> >
> > Because tar heels are hyper, have limp dicks, and will eat anything
> > labeled "meat"? <g>
>
> Hilarious.
>
> --
> Ken Fortenberry
>


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[Steve_sullivan]

In article <6TeVb.194594$Rc4.1650041@attbi_s54>,
Chas Wade > wrote:

> It's rare to find anything in a salmon or steelhead's stomach, but it
> does happen. Deschutes and Kalama steelhead often have a stomach full
> of grasshoppers or stonefly nymphs.

I caught a 20 inch chromer on the feather (hundreds and hundreds of
miles from the ocean) in january and someone suctioned his stomach, and
he had a TON of mayflies in him, like 20.

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[Chas Wade]

"Sierra fisher" > wrote:
>I once had a guy butcher a salmon and show me that the esophogus(sp?)
>was
>swollen shut. According to him, this is supposed to happen whithin a
>day or
>so after a salmon enters fresh water. I'm not a fish biologist, and
>sometimes I'm too ready to accept other peoples theories. But he seemed
>honest and knowledgeable.
>
Being honest and knowledgeable doesn't make one right. I've cleaned
quite a few of those guys this year who had more than a day or two in
the fresh water. The esophadus(sp!) was closed as it is in all fish,
but when I tried to pull out the gills my finger would slide easily
into the esophagus. It's not swolen shut. The stomach seems to
shrink, but that's because it's empty. You find the same thing in any
fish that hasn't eaten for a day.

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[Wayne Harrison]

"Sierra fisher" > wrote in message
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> I wished i would have said that!
>
i wish i hadn't. :)

yfitons
wayno
>
> "Ken Fortenberry" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Charlie Choc wrote:
> >
> > > "Wayne Harrison" wrote:
> > >
> > >> if god were not a tar heel, then why are valium, viagra, and this
> > >>bizarre fish meat, *carolina blue*?
> > >
> > > Because tar heels are hyper, have limp dicks, and will eat anything
> > > labeled "meat"? <g>
> >
> > Hilarious.
> >
> > --
> > Ken Fortenberry
> >
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[snakefiddler]

"Charlie Choc" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:28:18 GMT, "Wayne Harrison"
> > wrote:
>
> > if god were not a tar heel, then why are valium, viagra, and this
> >bizarre fish meat, *carolina blue*?
> >
> Because tar heels are hyper, have limp dicks, and will eat anything
> labeled "meat"? <g>
> --
> Charlie...

>Charlie Wrote:
>..and will eat anything labeled" meat"? <g>


Well, Charlie, U.S.D.A. labels and all............ ;-)

Snake- tar heels are discriminating, ya know- <bigger grin>

[Kevin Vang]

In article >,
says...
>
> I caught a 20 inch chromer on the feather (hundreds and hundreds of
> miles from the ocean) in january and someone suctioned his stomach, and
> he had a TON of mayflies in him, like 20.


Damn -- let's hear those cheeseheads blather on about the size of
their Hexagenia after they see a hundred pound mayfly.

Kevin

[Wolfgang]

"Kevin Vang" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > I caught a 20 inch chromer on the feather (hundreds and hundreds of
> > miles from the ocean) in january and someone suctioned his stomach, and
> > he had a TON of mayflies in him, like 20.
>
>
> Damn -- let's hear those cheeseheads blather on about the size of
> their Hexagenia after they see a hundred pound mayfly.

****, we got mosquitoes that'll snack on 20 mayflies while waiting for
something good to turn up. :)

Wolfgang
ask jeffie.

[Yuji Sakuma]

Kevin,

I used to look at SER's or "significant event reports" for nukes and I
recall one in particular that caught my eye maybe 15 or 20 years ago. The
plant at LaCrosse, Wisconsin, reported an unscheduled shutdown due to an
electrical short in a transformer. The cause was identified as a large
number of mayflies landing on or being driven onto it during a rainstorm.
It must have been one hell of a hatch to do that. I don't know if they were
Hexagenia, the report did not identify the species <g>. Note: I am not a
cheesehead and have no reason to boast about their mayfly hatches.

Yuji Sakuma

================================================== =========
"Kevin Vang" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > I caught a 20 inch chromer on the feather (hundreds and hundreds of
> > miles from the ocean) in january and someone suctioned his stomach, and
> > he had a TON of mayflies in him, like 20.
>
>
> Damn -- let's hear those cheeseheads blather on about the size of
> their Hexagenia after they see a hundred pound mayfly.
>
> Kevin

[Jeff Miller]

Wolfgang wrote:

>
>
> ****, we got mosquitoes that'll snack on 20 mayflies while waiting for
> something good to turn up. :)
>
> Wolfgang
> ask jeffie.
>
>

i still have the puncture wounds. hell, those wisconsin mosquitoes
sucked blood from trout on the rise in addition to rodeoing on the
mayflies. that they perch on stinging nettles while awaiting a blood
donor should have been a clue...

jeff

[Wolfgang]

"Yuji Sakuma" > wrote in message
.. .
> Kevin,
>
> I used to look at SER's or "significant event reports" for nukes and
I
> recall one in particular that caught my eye maybe 15 or 20 years
ago. The
> plant at LaCrosse, Wisconsin, reported an unscheduled shutdown due
to an
> electrical short in a transformer. The cause was identified as a
large
> number of mayflies landing on or being driven onto it during a
rainstorm.
> It must have been one hell of a hatch to do that. I don't know if
they were
> Hexagenia, the report did not identify the species <g>. Note: I am
not a
> cheesehead and have no reason to boast about their mayfly hatches.

One occasionally hears stories about communities near the Mississippi
or the Wisconsin having to remove the Hexagenias from the roads with
snow plows. I've never seen them that thick myself but I've seen
hatches heavy enough to make it seem plausible. The bug in your story
would undoubtedly be the Hex.

When Jeff Miller was here last June we had a couple of Hexagenias fly
into our camp on the first night. We had a hard time convincing him
that it they really were mayflies. :)

Wolfgang
bats are hairy.....mayflies ain't.

[Jeff Miller]

Wolfgang wrote:


>
> When Jeff Miller was here last June we had a couple of Hexagenias fly
> into our camp on the first night. We had a hard time convincing him
> that it they really were mayflies. :)
>
> Wolfgang
> bats are hairy.....mayflies ain't.
>

given the company and the alien environment... i'm still skeptical. <g>
huge thing!! if they ever mutate to carnivores, wisconsin will be a
wasteland. i'd love to see the fish dining on those bat-sized bugs
though...

jeff
>