Are there drawbacks to using a Push-Button reel?

[DiggityDanks]

I have been using my friends old spinning rods and it was kind of
crappy. The spinning was kind of rusty and I had to stretch my finger
out and change my grip every time I had to cast out. I tried a push
button rod/reel the other day and it seemed really convenient. I like
how it is really easy and how the little hook acts like a pistol grip.
Do people usually frown uppon these? I know in snowboarding, that
people always recommend against using click-in bindings because they
don't offer the kind of control that is found on normal strap-in
bindings. I myself would NEVER use click-in bindings. Is this how push
button reels are looked at in fishing?

[Allen]

No problem with the heavy duty Zebcos...
check out http://www.zebco.com
but you have to keep tension on your line
when you wind back in..If not kept tight
your line will dig in the line already
on the spool and when you go to cast the next time
it will hang up. You also will have a problem with casting far.
The 1/2 inch hole the line comes out of will stop you
from long casts. Not so much at 1st, but later when you loose
some line and the line becomes becomes stiffer. Get use to a
spinning reel now...it's a 100% better in the long run.
Stop in at http://sea4two.net and check out the how to section...
Click on the sea life to go to different parts of the site.
Allen
"DiggityDanks" > wrote in message
om...
> I have been using my friends old spinning rods and it was kind of
> crappy. The spinning was kind of rusty and I had to stretch my finger
> out and change my grip every time I had to cast out. I tried a push
> button rod/reel the other day and it seemed really convenient. I like
> how it is really easy and how the little hook acts like a pistol grip.
> Do people usually frown uppon these? I know in snowboarding, that
> people always recommend against using click-in bindings because they
> don't offer the kind of control that is found on normal strap-in
> bindings. I myself would NEVER use click-in bindings. Is this how push
> button reels are looked at in fishing?

[Allen]

No problem with the heavy duty Zebco's
check out http://www.zebco.com
but you have to keep tension on your line
when you wind back in..If not kept tight
your line will dig in the line already
on the spool and when you go to cast the next time
it will hang up. You also will have a problem with casting far.
The 1/2 inch hole the line comes out of will stop you
from long casts. Not so much at 1st, but later when you loose
some line and the line becomes stiffer. Get use to a
spinning reel now...it's a 100% better in the long run.
Stop in at http://sea4two.net and check out the how to section...
Click on the sea life to go to different parts of the site.
Allen

"DiggityDanks" > wrote in message
om...
> I have been using my friends old spinning rods and it was kind of
> crappy. The spinning was kind of rusty and I had to stretch my finger
> out and change my grip every time I had to cast out. I tried a push
> button rod/reel the other day and it seemed really convenient. I like
> how it is really easy and how the little hook acts like a pistol grip.
> Do people usually frown uppon these? I know in snowboarding, that
> people always recommend against using click-in bindings because they
> don't offer the kind of control that is found on normal strap-in
> bindings. I myself would NEVER use click-in bindings. Is this how push
> button reels are looked at in fishing?

[Jerry]

DiggityDanks wrote:
> I have been using my friends old spinning rods and it was kind of
> crappy. The spinning was kind of rusty and I had to stretch my finger
> out and change my grip every time I had to cast out. I tried a push
> button rod/reel the other day and it seemed really convenient. I like
> how it is really easy and how the little hook acts like a pistol grip.
> Do people usually frown uppon these? I know in snowboarding, that
> people always recommend against using click-in bindings because they
> don't offer the kind of control that is found on normal strap-in
> bindings. I myself would NEVER use click-in bindings. Is this how push
> button reels are looked at in fishing?

There are those that look down on the spincast reels and some consider
them as kids reels or for beginners. I use them in certain applications
and that is for pan fish, especially crappie. I also have spinning
reels I use for the same application but for day in and day out the
spincast for my use on crappie is my favorite. Having said that let me
qualify it a little. I have tried all different types and styles of
spincast reels and for the most part never cared for them except for one
and that is the Johnson Century. For a spincast this one has the best
drag system I'm aware of and they have dual pickup bails that reduces
line twist and birds nests. I really like these little reels for what I
use them for. As I said I only use these reels for crappie fishing so
if I'm after catfish, bass or larger game I use spinning or bait
casting, depending on the situation. WalMart carries the Johnson
Century and for light tackle fishing I think you would be very happy
with them.

Jerry

[[email protected]]

I've had good luck with Abu-matics also.
Most people I've talked to don't like the spincasters because they don't
think you can feather your line on casts, they push the button again and all
it does is abruptly stop the line and lure and it springs back at you from
line stretch at the stop.
This is cured by using your index finger of the other hand to feather the
line coming out of the reel opening, in fact I start and stop all my casts
by feathered the line with that finger and never use the button anymore,
except to release the line initially, it really improved my accuracy doing
that.

[Joe]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:22:29 -0700, DiggityDanks wrote:

> I have been using my friends old spinning rods and it was kind of
> crappy. The spinning was kind of rusty and I had to stretch my finger
> out and change my grip every time I had to cast out. I tried a push
> button rod/reel the other day and it seemed really convenient. I like
> how it is really easy and how the little hook acts like a pistol grip.
> Do people usually frown uppon these? I know in snowboarding, that
> people always recommend against using click-in bindings because they
> don't offer the kind of control that is found on normal strap-in
> bindings. I myself would NEVER use click-in bindings. Is this how push
> button reels are looked at in fishing?


Go for it. There is nothing wrong with a spin cast reel. There are
people who look down on them because their "beginners" reels but I use
zebco 33s for just about everything... Oh yes I have spinning reels and
casting reels but when I just wanna fish and not fool with the reel you
can't beat a spin cast. Just remember you need to clean it and check the
line just like all other reels.

Joe

[ROBMURR]

I just started to change all my reels to
spincasters...Had tangles with spinning
gear. My buddy uses them in tournaments
so its good enough for me. Forget the
cheap Zebcos get a Daiwa gc80 $50
or one of the $25 daiwa spincast models.
Great smooth drag, cast a mile, no
line problems, feel good in your hand.
I like the idea of keeping a finger on the
line to feel the fish and it is easier to do
with the spinncasters for me.
I am keeping one large Daiwa spinning
rod for surf and pier fishing.

[MikeG]

I've always had problems with the line twising up on them. Even on some of
the higher ended ones. Nothing I hate more than stripping all the line off
to respool a reel when I'm out fishing.


"DiggityDanks" > wrote in message
om...
> I have been using my friends old spinning rods and it was kind of
> crappy. The spinning was kind of rusty and I had to stretch my finger
> out and change my grip every time I had to cast out. I tried a push
> button rod/reel the other day and it seemed really convenient. I like
> how it is really easy and how the little hook acts like a pistol grip.
> Do people usually frown uppon these? I know in snowboarding, that
> people always recommend against using click-in bindings because they
> don't offer the kind of control that is found on normal strap-in
> bindings. I myself would NEVER use click-in bindings. Is this how push
> button reels are looked at in fishing?

[Allen]

From what I see... is... most everyone has a twisted line problem...
The number one reason why that happens is....and it's not the reels fault !
Your drag is set too light, and you keep winding ,while the fish is slipping
your drag.( happens more so with closed-face reels)
I have seen way too many people just keep on winding, and winding
when they get excited with a fish on. I have seen people stand and fight a
snag
for ten minutes, pulling back on the rod, slipping the drag. To stop twisted
line problems
just don't wind when you pull back. Just wind as you lower the rod, taking
up the slack
as you lower. Don't just lower and then take up the slack. You can lose a
fish that way...
2nd reason for line twist is how the line is put on the reel . Most dummies
put a pencil
through the hole in the spool and tie the line on the reel and crank till
it's full....
Wrong way... I won't explain how to do it the right way now, just don't
fill your reel that way. When your get low just read up on how to do it
right before you do,
or stop at a bait/tackle shop. A good one will do it right,.or drop me a
e-mail.
Third reason is called being cheap, most people don't use a good swivel or
use none at all.
The lure people tell you to direct tie...that's ok, but tie a swivel a foot
or two above your lure.
1st choice is a black ball bearing barrel swivel, no clip on ones ...just a
loop at each end. Use a
good clear leader between your swivel and lure.. A plain barrel swivel is
2nd
and is better than none at all. Tune your lure or, and yes, your bait... If
it spins like a airplane
propeller, you will get a twisted line. I know I mightl get some flack from
this statement...
Those folks who told you to stay with closed face, never could
get the hang of using their left hand to wind the line in on a spinning
reel. They are the ones
you see holding the spinning rod in their left hand reel & rod upside down
(reel up above the rod)
and winding backward with their right hand.after casting with their right
hand.....
holding on the very end of the rod...Here is one more thought...did you ever
give a thought to using a regular
"casting" reel !...I'm sorry I should never have asked that question !!! It
put too much fear
in those closed face spin caster masters eyes.....

Allen
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speeds less than 56k so hang in there, and reload when you stop back
there is something new most every day.

"MikeG" > wrote in message
...
> I've always had problems with the line twising up on them. Even on some
of
> the higher ended ones. Nothing I hate more than stripping all the line
off
> to respool a reel when I'm out fishing.
>
>
> "DiggityDanks" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I have been using my friends old spinning rods and it was kind of
> > crappy. The spinning was kind of rusty and I had to stretch my finger
> > out and change my grip every time I had to cast out. I tried a push
> > button rod/reel the other day and it seemed really convenient. I like
> > how it is really easy and how the little hook acts like a pistol grip.
> > Do people usually frown uppon these? I know in snowboarding, that
> > people always recommend against using click-in bindings because they
> > don't offer the kind of control that is found on normal strap-in
> > bindings. I myself would NEVER use click-in bindings. Is this how push
> > button reels are looked at in fishing?
>
>

[Jerry]

Allen wrote:
> From what I see... is... most everyone has a twisted line problem...
> The number one reason why that happens is....and it's not the reels fault !
> Your drag is set too light, and you keep winding ,while the fish is slipping
> your drag.( happens more so with closed-face reels)
> I have seen way too many people just keep on winding, and winding
> when they get excited with a fish on. I have seen people stand and fight a
> snag
> for ten minutes, pulling back on the rod, slipping the drag. To stop twisted
> line problems
> just don't wind when you pull back. Just wind as you lower the rod, taking
> up the slack
> as you lower. Don't just lower and then take up the slack. You can lose a
> fish that way...
> 2nd reason for line twist is how the line is put on the reel . Most dummies
> put a pencil
> through the hole in the spool and tie the line on the reel and crank till
> it's full....
> Wrong way... I won't explain how to do it the right way now, just don't
> fill your reel that way. When your get low just read up on how to do it
> right before you do,
> or stop at a bait/tackle shop. A good one will do it right,.or drop me a
> e-mail.
> Third reason is called being cheap, most people don't use a good swivel or
> use none at all.
> The lure people tell you to direct tie...that's ok, but tie a swivel a foot
> or two above your lure.
> 1st choice is a black ball bearing barrel swivel, no clip on ones ...just a
> loop at each end. Use a
> good clear leader between your swivel and lure.. A plain barrel swivel is
> 2nd
> and is better than none at all. Tune your lure or, and yes, your bait... If
> it spins like a airplane
> propeller, you will get a twisted line. I know I mightl get some flack from
> this statement...
> Those folks who told you to stay with closed face, never could
> get the hang of using their left hand to wind the line in on a spinning
> reel. They are the ones
> you see holding the spinning rod in their left hand reel & rod upside down
> (reel up above the rod)
> and winding backward with their right hand.after casting with their right
> hand.....
> holding on the very end of the rod...Here is one more thought...did you ever
> give a thought to using a regular
> "casting" reel !...I'm sorry I should never have asked that question !!! It
> put too much fear
> in those closed face spin caster masters eyes.....


Wow ............ lets see now, people that put line on using a pencil
are dummies but you don't have time to explain the proper way
.......okay, people who don't use a swivel in their line with a lure are
just cheap ..........Hmmmmmm, and people who continue to use closed
face reel do so because they never could learn to use a spinning reel
......... and lord why doesn't he use a bait casting reel and be a macho
non fearing bait caster. Well lets start with the last one . Ever try
to trout fish with a bait casting reel? or fish for crappie, perch or
other pan fish. Not all reels work in all situations. Then the swivel
in line for lures to stop line twist ...... bull**** unless you are
talking only about in line spinners. Most if not all other lures will
track straight. Then those who like spincast reels. Might just be the
simply like then over other types, or they work better for the type of
fishing they are doing, what do ya think. Now the pencil ....... if
filling a bait casting reel it is considered one of the proper ways.
Spin casting and spinning, lay the spool flat on the floor take several
turns of the reel handle, stop and lower the rod. If the line twists,
turn spool over and then fill the reel to capacity. If the line doesn't
twist then you are okay and still fill the reel to capacity. Now that
wasn't hard was it and there weren't any dummies in the crowd. Line
twist has nothing to do with the drag being set heavy or light but as
you said someone reeling in while the fish is taking line. This is
usually the result of someone lacking in experience ot teaching but if
they are being called dummy all the time I can understand their not
learning. Another possible cause of line twist is fishing under a
bobber with minnows and I don't care if you do have a swivel tied on you
are eventually going to get line twist. Now you have a nice day and
watch our for those non macho bait casters with their wimpy little
fearful spin caster reels.

Jerry

[Bryan]

"DiggityDanks" > wrote in message
om...

< I myself would NEVER use click-in bindings. Is this how push
> button reels are looked at in fishing?>

To answer your question I would have to say that it is a matter of opinion
on which type of reel you use. I know that when growing up I learned to
fish using a push button reel. When my dad saw I was ready to fish with an
open face reel he let me use one. It was like a graduation process to me,
and I have never looked back, except on the rare occasion of borrowing a
friend's push button reel when my fishing gear was not present. I do not
frown on people using push buttons, but I prefer not to use one. I have
used open face reels and bait casters for most all fishing applications and
have never had a problem. To accomplish this just match your equipment to
the specific conditions (example: pan fish, usually ultra-light spinning
tackle). I hope I have been helpful.

Good Luck,

Bryan
(Georgia)

[allen]

Jerry I'm glad you wrote back... You gave me faith that someone out
there would write in defense of the Closed face spinning reel... but
to reply on most everything I wrote about is unprecedented. Ok now
it's my turn... The proper way to fill a spin cast is to take the
"spool" out of the reel, Wind the new line on the same way you
took the old line off (how you ask) Use a carriage bolt with 2 nuts
and washers to sandwich the reel spool between them put the bolt in a
electric drill and set the direction of the drill to rotate in the
same direction as the line needs to go. Some reels wind the line back
going counter clock wise. Fill till about 1/4 to 1/8 inch from the
edge of the spool (this is better then winding till you can't get
anymore on or trying to look inside the end cap. Reinstall spool
in the reel and you are ready for fishing.

I fish for trout, and not for the trout that they dump into a stream
or lake by the bucket full... real trout, big trout ..trout over 7-8
lbs.I catch red fish over 30 lb, Tarpon over 120 lbs I use a abu 6500
c3 look it up. I have used smaller baitcasting reels and I have used
bigger such as a abu 7000. Penn 320's 330's .Squidders, 930's I have
fished all over Penna. including Stoney Creek, the Big Penns Creek
The Yellow Breaches, Walnut Creek, Lake Erie, Ocean City Md, Had a
fishing show in the 80's on Public TV I have trout mounts hanging in
sporting good stores in Pa. I now fish in Florida in the area of The
space center for spotted trout and weakfish.I have also worked as
fishing pro for a year and a half. I use fly rods and open face
spinning rods,.casting rods. I have about 37 different fishing combs
and no closed face spinning reels ! My eqipment ranges froma 2
handed tarpon rod that is 14 ft. with 12 wt. line and a Shakespear
Surf rod that is 15 ft. using a Penn 706z reel, to a Mitchel 408 (made
in France) on a 5 ft Berkly Stinger rod and everthing in between
I never said the bait casting reel was only way only a
different way. and like I wrote before someone such as you that can't
fish with anything other than a childs toy would lash back. Did your
rod and reel come in a blister pack with a little tackle box with a
bobber that looks like a little duck ? Great starter kit for jr. but
not for a man/ladies everyday fishing outfit.

I won't even reply You have said it all no more to say about using a
swivel.... You can go and get a book on fishing, then read it, the
write back about line twist caused by the reel, tuning lures , the
effects of current, line rolling across the bottom when you use a
barrel sinker, o yea you know all about this...how about a Spinner
Shark that will make your line twist up into a knot. Ever catch a
eel.? Check this site
http://www.sal****ersportsman.com/sal****er/fishing/article/0,12746,584098,00.html
you might learn something about swivels.

There was one thing you didn't reply about... That was about
Those folks who , never could get the hang of using their left hand to
wind the line in on a spinning reel. They are the ones you see
holding the spinning rod in their left hand reel & rod upside down
(reel up above the rod) and winding backward with their right
hand.after casting with their right hand....and end up holding on the
very end of the rod with their left hand Did this ruffle your
feathers... you seem to fit the discripion of being one of those folks
fishing that way...till you got a closed face kiddie reel with the
rubber duck bobber.

Now I can have a nice day :-)


Allen
stop in at http://sea4two.net
go to one of the links listed and read about how to fish.





On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 05:43:45 GMT, Jerry >
wrote:

>Wow ............ lets see now, people that put line on using a pencil
>are dummies but you don't have time to explain the proper way
>......okay, people who don't use a swivel in their line with a lure are
>just cheap ..........Hmmmmmm, and people who continue to use closed
>face reel do so because they never could learn to use a spinning reel
>........ and lord why doesn't he use a bait casting reel and be a macho
>non fearing bait caster. Well lets start with the last one . Ever try
>to trout fish with a bait casting reel? or fish for crappie, perch or
>other pan fish. Not all reels work in all situations. Then the swivel
>in line for lures to stop line twist ...... bull**** unless you are
>talking only about in line spinners. Most if not all other lures will
>track straight. Then those who like spincast reels. Might just be the
>simply like then over other types, or they work better for the type of
>fishing they are doing, what do ya think. Now the pencil ....... if
>filling a bait casting reel it is considered one of the proper ways.
>Spin casting and spinning, lay the spool flat on the floor take several
>turns of the reel handle, stop and lower the rod. If the line twists,
>turn spool over and then fill the reel to capacity. If the line doesn't
>twist then you are okay and still fill the reel to capacity. Now that
>wasn't hard was it and there weren't any dummies in the crowd. Line
>twist has nothing to do with the drag being set heavy or light but as
>you said someone reeling in while the fish is taking line. This is
>usually the result of someone lacking in experience ot teaching but if
>they are being called dummy all the time I can understand their not
>learning. Another possible cause of line twist is fishing under a
>bobber with minnows and I don't care if you do have a swivel tied on you
>are eventually going to get line twist. Now you have a nice day and
>watch our for those non macho bait casters with their wimpy little
>fearful spin caster reels.
>
>Jerry

[Jerry]

allen wrote:
> Jerry I'm glad you wrote back... You gave me faith that someone out
> there would write in defense of the Closed face spinning reel... but
> to reply on most everything I wrote about is unprecedented. Ok now
> it's my turn... The proper way to fill a spin cast is to take the
> "spool" out of the reel, Wind the new line on the same way you
> took the old line off (how you ask) Use a carriage bolt with 2 nuts
> and washers to sandwich the reel spool between them put the bolt in a
> electric drill


--remaining bs snipped--

How many threads are you going to post this in? You started a
completely new thread yesterday ( Reel Fishermen ) with this same post.
So I'll not waste my time answering the total bull **** you have come
up with except to point out that the above shows you haven't a clue what
you are talking about. Even a one cell moron knows the shaft from a
spincast or spinning reel that goes through the reel is only about 1/8
inch diameter or a little larger so how the hell you going to stick a
carriage bolt through it even if you were dumb enough to try to fill it
that way.

Jerry

[Allen]

Jerry I'm glad you wrote back... You gave me faith that someone out
there would write in defense of the Closed face spinning reel... but
to reply on most everything I wrote about is unprecedented. Ok now
it's my turn... The proper way to fill a spin cast is to take the
"spool" out of the reel, Wind the new line on the same way you
took the old line off (how you ask) Use a small carriage bolt
(sorry the last time I just said carriage bolt,
they do make them in smaller than 1/4 in.)or any
bolt that will fit through the spool with 2 nuts and washers to
sandwich the spool between them put the bolt in a
electric drill and set the direction of the drill to rotate in the
same direction as the line needs to go. Some reels wind the line back
going counter clock wise. Fill till about 1/4 to 1/8 inch from the
edge of the spool (this is better then winding till you can't get
anymore on or trying to look inside the end cap. Reinstall spool
in the reel and you are ready for fishing.

I fish for trout, and not for the trout that they dump into a stream
or lake by the bucket full... real trout, big trout ..trout over 7-8
lbs.I catch red fish over 30 lb, Tarpon over 120 lbs I use a abu 6500
c3 look it up. I have used smaller baitcasting reels and I have used
bigger such as a abu 7000. Penn 320's 330's .Squidders, 930's I have
fished all over Penna. including Stoney Creek, the Big Penns Creek
The Yellow Breaches, Walnut Creek, Lake Erie, Ocean City Md, Had a
fishing show in the 80's on Public TV I have trout mounts hanging in
sporting good stores in Pa. I now fish in Florida in the area of The
Space Center to Daytona Beach and inland for spotted trout
http://www.hsgenterprises.com/sal****er/fla_sltwtr_spotted_seatrout.htm
and weakfish, tarpon ,jacks,sailcats,blues,snook,peacock bass,Black Bass,
cobia,shark,flounder,crappie,sheephead,black drum...the list goes on...
http://www.monmouth.com/~gweiss1/images/Haus/weakfish.jpg
I have also worked as fishing pro for a year and a half.
use fly rods and open face spinning rods,.casting rods.
and have about 37 different fishing combs and no closed
face spinning reels ! I had more equip. but I retired in 1998
at the age of "48" and gave half of my equip away
before relocating to Florida. My current equipment ranges from a 2
handed tarpon rod that is 14 ft. with 12 wt. line and a Shakespeare
Surf rod that is 15 ft. using a Penn 706z reel, to a Mitchell 408 (made
in France) on a 5 ft Berkley Stinger rod and everything in between
I'm not writing this to brag, or see my self in print,but to show that
after
fishing for over 50 years, I don't go fishing with a beer can
and wear may hat on backwards, I fish for money, for fun and I fish 80 %
of the time I'm out there. I catch more fish and bigger fish then you could
ever think of catching and I do it most every day.
I never said the bait casting reel was only way but a
different way. and like I wrote before someone such as you that can't
fish with anything other than a Childs toy would lash back. Did your
rod and reel come in a blister pack with a little tackle box with a
bobber that looks like a little duck ? Great starter kit for jr. but
not for a man or ladies everyday fishing outfit.

I won't even reply to your stupid reply about swivels. You have
said it all, no more to say about using a
swivel.... Now you can go and get a book on fishing, then read it, then
write back all you learned about line twist caused by the reel, tuning lures
,
effects of current, line rolling across the bottom when you use a
barrel sinker, o yea you know all about this...How about a Spinner
Shark that will make your line twist up into a knot. Ever catch a
(freshwater) eel.? Check this site:
http://www.sal****ersportsman.com/sal****er/fishing/article/0,12746,584098,0
0.html
you might learn something about swivels.

There was one thing you didn't reply about... That was about
Those folks who , never could get the hang of using their left hand to
wind the line in on a spinning reel. They are the ones you see
holding the spinning rod in their left hand reel & rod upside down
(reel up above the rod) and winding backward with their right
hand.after casting with their right hand....and end up holding on the
very end of the rod with their left hand. example at this site below
http://www.esoxhunter.com/backtobasics.html
Did this ruffle your feathers ?... you seem to fit the description
of being one of those folks that fished that way...till you got
a closed face kiddy reel with the rubber duck bobber.

By the way, I stopped down under the Rt 421 bridge
down here in Port Orange Fl. tonight, and there were 25 people
fishing under the bridge, and not one fisher person was using a
closed face reel and only ((one lady was holding her (open face combo)
upside down and winding backward. She later moved the handle
to the right side. She was right handed and couldn't figure out how to
use her left hand to wind the line in, or pick up the line, with her
left hand after she forgot to open the bail.when she tied to cast
... She was a good o girl about 50 years old, hat on backward... smoking...
Rod still had the tie rap holding the reel on..cardboard grip cover still on
the
rod, using a 1 oz. pyramid sinker direct tied to the line, fishing in 6 ft
of calm
water using 3 in shrimp on a 3.0 long shank hook with the hook treaded
up the shrimps body ..now dead before it even hit the water.))*
*= this is a true fact ! Time was at 8:06 pm 4/17/04

(sounds like your kind of woman)

Not to bad for a warm Sat. night.in April.

We went from there out to Wal-Mart to pick up a few things and
guess what! Checked out the fishing department and they had "NO"
closed faced reels in the display case. Only a few blister packs of
closed faced spinning reels 8 Zebcos and 2 Shakespeares,
and a end cap full of Sponge Bob Square Pants closed
face combos with plastic fish to hang on the end of the line...

Now I can have "another" nice day fishin :-)

Allen
P.S.
stop in at http://sea4two.net
go to one of the links listed and read about how to fish.
I know the page sucks but it just passed having 20,000 hits today
and thats since 01/01/04...press on the sea life to go to the links..




On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 05:43:45 GMT, Jerry >
wrote:

>Wow ............ lets see now, people that put line on using a pencil
>are dummies but you don't have time to explain the proper way
>......okay, people who don't use a swivel in their line with a lure are
>just cheap ..........Hmmmmmm, and people who continue to use closed
>face reel do so because they never could learn to use a spinning reel
>........ and lord why doesn't he use a bait casting reel and be a macho
>non fearing bait caster. Well lets start with the last one . Ever try
>to trout fish with a bait casting reel? or fish for crappie, perch or
>other pan fish. Not all reels work in all situations. Then the swivel
>in line for lures to stop line twist ...... bull**** unless you are
>talking only about in line spinners. Most if not all other lures will
>track straight. Then those who like spincast reels. Might just be the
>simply like then over other types, or they work better for the type of
>fishing they are doing, what do ya think. Now the pencil ....... if
>filling a bait casting reel it is considered one of the proper ways.
>Spin casting and spinning, lay the spool flat on the floor take several
>turns of the reel handle, stop and lower the rod. If the line twists,
>turn spool over and then fill the reel to capacity. If the line doesn't
>twist then you are okay and still fill the reel to capacity. Now that
>wasn't hard was it and there weren't any dummies in the crowd. Line
>twist has nothing to do with the drag being set heavy or light but as
>you said someone reeling in while the fish is taking line. This is
>usually the result of someone lacking in experience ot teaching but if
>they are being called dummy all the time I can understand their not
>learning. Another possible cause of line twist is fishing under a
>bobber with minnows and I don't care if you do have a swivel tied on you
>are eventually going to get line twist. Now you have a nice day and
>watch our for those non macho bait casters with their wimpy little
>fearful spin caster reels.
>
>Jerry

"Jerry" > wrote in message
...
> allen wrote:
> > Jerry I'm glad you wrote back... You gave me faith that someone out
> > there would write in defense of the Closed face spinning reel... but
> > to reply on most everything I wrote about is unprecedented. Ok now
> > it's my turn... The proper way to fill a spin cast is to take the
> > "spool" out of the reel, Wind the new line on the same way you
> > took the old line off (how you ask) Use a carriage bolt with 2 nuts
> > and washers to sandwich the reel spool between them put the bolt in a
> > electric drill
>
>
> --remaining bs snipped--
>
> How many threads are you going to post this in? You started a
> completely new thread yesterday ( Reel Fishermen ) with this same post.
> So I'll not waste my time answering the total bull **** you have come
> up with except to point out that the above shows you haven't a clue what
> you are talking about. Even a one cell moron knows the shaft from a
> spincast or spinning reel that goes through the reel is only about 1/8
> inch diameter or a little larger so how the hell you going to stick a
> carriage bolt through it even if you were dumb enough to try to fill it
> that way.
>
> Jerry
>

[Jerry]

Allen wrote:
>
> We went from there out to Wal-Mart

- snipped -

Gee didn't think such a great pro as you claim to be would be caught
dead in Wally World. Sorry little man ............. a health debate
about subjects I don't mind but a ****ing contest with a moronic troll I
have not interest in. That little old lady probable would have enjoyed
her fishing more had someone offered to give her a few pointers but I'm
sure you were to busy trying to be ............. well, just little
allen. By the way I spent a few years in Pensacola so I'm aware what
the fishing is like there and what kind of gear is required. Have you
figured out your weak fish and sea trout problem yet.............. now
peddle your bs somewhere else.

Jerry

[SteveB]

"DiggityDanks" > wrote in message
om...
> I have been using my friends old spinning rods and it was kind of
> crappy. The spinning was kind of rusty and I had to stretch my finger
> out and change my grip every time I had to cast out. I tried a push
> button rod/reel the other day and it seemed really convenient. I like
> how it is really easy and how the little hook acts like a pistol grip.
> Do people usually frown uppon these? I know in snowboarding, that
> people always recommend against using click-in bindings because they
> don't offer the kind of control that is found on normal strap-in
> bindings. I myself would NEVER use click-in bindings. Is this how push
> button reels are looked at in fishing?

In my 40+ years of fishing, I can give you the following info on pushbutton
reels. My first one was a pushbutton Zebco 66 I got in 1959 with S&H Green
Stamps.

1. You get what you pay for. You don't have to spend a lot to get a good
one, but the cheapos are just that.
2. They don't handle really big fish, and are meant for small to medium
fish.
3. They require more maintenance than other reels, and you MUST learn how
to TOTALLY disassemble one, clean it, and put it back together again,
because if it starts acting up in the field, you might have to do just that.
No big deal, though. Thoroughly disassemble, clean, and lubricate your reel
at the beginning of each season.
4. Good fresh line is critical. Restring it before the first fishing trip
of the year, or if you haven't used it in three months. It is wound on a
small diameter spool, and develops a "memory" and keeps its coil. Follow
manufacturer's suggestions. I like 6# on the smaller ones, and 8-10# on the
medium ones. You can buy line on sale, but don't buy the cheap stuff. I
like Stren.
5. Sometimes when it is acting up, just dunk the whole shebang in the
water, unless it is salt water.
6. There are a lot of models available, so look around. I like Zebco.
7. When you do buy, it is CRITICAL to actually put the reel on the rod you
want to use it with because all reels won't fit all rods. Some of them will
go on the rod, but when you try to take the cover off the front of the reel,
you can't because of the configuration of the rod. You have to take the
reel completely off the rod instead of just pulling the face off, which is a
pain. Some of them actually will NOT go on the rod.
8. I personally like stainless steel ball bearing closed face reels.
9. Don't try to put too much line on one, or it will rub on the mechanism
inside causing it not to work properly.
10. Before starting to fish, put a sinker on the end of the line, and cast
it as far as you can to pay out the line. Reel it in. Pinch the line
between your thumb and finger where it goes into the reel. This will clean
it, and tension it so you don't have any loose loops inside the reel on the
spool. I like to then open it up and see if I have any loops, and do it
again if necessary. Loops on your spool will kill a lot of casts.
11. Lastly, and VERY IMPORTANT, set your drag so you can pull some line out
by hand. If you get a big one on, you don't want it breaking your line.

This may sound like a lot of things, but once you get the hang of them, they
are all pretty basic. For crappie, bluegill, and small fish, you can't beat
the simplicity of a pushbutton reel. Even though you WILL have to keep it
clean. If you do that, they are a real joy to use. They will cast a long
ways with just a little weight if you use light enough line.

Steve