Polar Bear

[Bryan]

I'm still pretty new to the fly tying hobby. I've only been doing it for
about 6 months. The other day a friend gave me a piece of REAL polar bear
fur his grandfather used when he was alive. What would it be used for that
other furs can't do as well?

Bryan

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"Bryan" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> I'm still pretty new to the fly tying hobby. I've only been doing it for
> about 6 months. The other day a friend gave me a piece of REAL polar bear
> fur his grandfather used when he was alive. What would it be used for
that
> other furs can't do as well?
>
> Bryan
>
>

Bryan,

The only use for polar bear hair is to wrap it up real carefully and send it
to me via next day air.

Unless of course you want to tie up some salmon/steelhead flies for me.

[Larry]

Actually, Bryan...

Whatevr othrs tell you, it wouldbe best to send it to ME. I will be
happy to provide you a selection of other materials you can tie with and
not need to learn any special techniques.

Larry

Bryan wrote:
> I'm still pretty new to the fly tying hobby. I've only been doing it for
> about 6 months. The other day a friend gave me a piece of REAL polar bear
> fur his grandfather used when he was alive. What would it be used for that
> other furs can't do as well?
>
> Bryan
>
>

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"Larry" > wrote in message
. com...
> Actually, Bryan...
>
> Whatevr othrs tell you, it wouldbe best to send it to ME. I will be
> happy to provide you a selection of other materials you can tie with and
> not need to learn any special techniques.
>
> Larry
>

Back off dude!

I got first call on that material!

Unless of course, you want to tie up some salmon/steelhead flies for me...

[c.renn]

Bryan,

Polar bear hair is reputed to have characteristics akin to fiber optic
cable. It seems to collect light and move it along its axis. It is
particularly prized for salmon and steelhead wings.

Charley

"Bryan" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> I'm still pretty new to the fly tying hobby. I've only been doing it for
> about 6 months. The other day a friend gave me a piece of REAL polar bear
> fur his grandfather used when he was alive. What would it be used for
that
> other furs can't do as well?
>
> Bryan
>
>

[Sierra fisher]

Bryan, I'm older than these other guys so send it to me.

Polar bear hair is almost translucent and pleases the fly tyer if not the
fish. As others have said, it is used for wings an large flies. It is near
impossible to get in the US because of laws pushed through by
conservationists. If you have it, it is only legal if you can PROVE that
the animal was killed before a certain date. There are a few other
exceptions.
It is NOT illegal to own it in Canada. They are apparently not as concerned
about the extinction of polar bears as are certain Americans. If you go to
Canada, you can buy it and smuggle it back across the border. However, the
penalties can be very severe, even including imprisonment. If you have a
piece of it in the states and cannot prove its age/legality, you are also in
jeopardy of these penalties.
So send it to one of these other guys and let the feds know about it!!

"Bryan" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> I'm still pretty new to the fly tying hobby. I've only been doing it for
> about 6 months. The other day a friend gave me a piece of REAL polar bear
> fur his grandfather used when he was alive. What would it be used for
that
> other furs can't do as well?
>
> Bryan
>
>


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"Sierra fisher" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> So send it to one of these other guys and let the feds know about it!!
>

What a way to make new freinds!!

[riverman]

"Sierra fisher" > wrote in message
...
> Bryan, I'm older than these other guys so send it to me.
>
> Polar bear hair is almost translucent and pleases the fly tyer if not the
> fish. As others have said, it is used for wings an large flies. It is
near
> impossible to get in the US because of laws pushed through by
> conservationists. If you have it, it is only legal if you can PROVE that
> the animal was killed before a certain date. There are a few other
> exceptions.
> It is NOT illegal to own it in Canada. They are apparently not as
concerned
> about the extinction of polar bears as are certain Americans. If you go
to
> Canada, you can buy it and smuggle it back across the border. However,
the
> penalties can be very severe, even including imprisonment. If you have a
> piece of it in the states and cannot prove its age/legality, you are also
in
> jeopardy of these penalties.
> So send it to one of these other guys and let the feds know about it!!


When I was in Tuktoyuktuk in the late 80s, I bought a little stuffed polar
bear made from sealskin, with the fur on. I've been eyeing it ever since I
started tying flies: does seal fur have any properties that make it
attractive to tie with? What flies would be best?

--riverman

[Scott Seidman]

"riverman" > wrote in
:

> When I was in Tuktoyuktuk in the late 80s, I bought a little stuffed
> polar bear made from sealskin, with the fur on. I've been eyeing it
> ever since I started tying flies: does seal fur have any properties
> that make it attractive to tie with? What flies would be best?
>
> --riverman
>
>
>

It needs to have been clubbed just so to be of value.

Scott

[Sierra fisher]

Seal fur is used in dubbing for certain nymphs. The guard hairs are very
stiff and so stick out from the body of the fly. This gives the appearance
of legs. It is often described as "spikey". Since there are some
regualtions against killing seals, there are dubbings with artificial seals
hair. Some of the best is produced by Jay Fair at www.eagleflyfishing.com



"riverman" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Sierra fisher" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Bryan, I'm older than these other guys so send it to me.
> >
> > Polar bear hair is almost translucent and pleases the fly tyer if not
the
> > fish. As others have said, it is used for wings an large flies. It is
> near
> > impossible to get in the US because of laws pushed through by
> > conservationists. If you have it, it is only legal if you can PROVE
that
> > the animal was killed before a certain date. There are a few other
> > exceptions.
> > It is NOT illegal to own it in Canada. They are apparently not as
> concerned
> > about the extinction of polar bears as are certain Americans. If you go
> to
> > Canada, you can buy it and smuggle it back across the border. However,
> the
> > penalties can be very severe, even including imprisonment. If you have
a
> > piece of it in the states and cannot prove its age/legality, you are
also
> in
> > jeopardy of these penalties.
> > So send it to one of these other guys and let the feds know about it!!
>
>
> When I was in Tuktoyuktuk in the late 80s, I bought a little stuffed polar
> bear made from sealskin, with the fur on. I've been eyeing it ever since I
> started tying flies: does seal fur have any properties that make it
> attractive to tie with? What flies would be best?
>
> --riverman
>
>


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[Vaughan Hurry]

> When I was in Tuktoyuktuk in the late 80s, I bought a little stuffed polar
> bear made from sealskin, with the fur on. I've been eyeing it ever since I
> started tying flies: does seal fur have any properties that make it
> attractive to tie with? What flies would be best?
>
> --riverman
>
>
Myron,
There are a lot of salmon (and I guess steelhead) patterns that call for
seal fur. I use it on a lot of my sea trout flies. It is nice and glossy and
a bugger to dub but it makes nice flies. Most of the flies you saw in my sea
trout boxes had seal fur bodies with squirrel hair wings and an over wing of
polar bear. I sometimes think it makes a bit of a mockery out of being a C&R
fisherman............

Vaughan

[George Cleveland]

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:55:55 +0100, "riverman" > wrote:

>
>"Sierra fisher" > wrote in message
...
>> Bryan, I'm older than these other guys so send it to me.
>>
>> Polar bear hair is almost translucent and pleases the fly tyer if not the
>> fish. As others have said, it is used for wings an large flies. It is
>near
>> impossible to get in the US because of laws pushed through by
>> conservationists. If you have it, it is only legal if you can PROVE that
>> the animal was killed before a certain date. There are a few other
>> exceptions.
>> It is NOT illegal to own it in Canada. They are apparently not as
>concerned
>> about the extinction of polar bears as are certain Americans. If you go
>to
>> Canada, you can buy it and smuggle it back across the border. However,
>the
>> penalties can be very severe, even including imprisonment. If you have a
>> piece of it in the states and cannot prove its age/legality, you are also
>in
>> jeopardy of these penalties.
>> So send it to one of these other guys and let the feds know about it!!
>
>
>When I was in Tuktoyuktuk in the late 80s, I bought a little stuffed polar
>bear made from sealskin, with the fur on. I've been eyeing it ever since I
>started tying flies: does seal fur have any properties that make it
>attractive to tie with? What flies would be best?
>
>--riverman
>
>
Seal fur was (is?) used in dubbing rough bodied nymphs. Old tiers claim that
aquatic mammal fur has a translucency not found in fur from more land bound
species. Maybe true. But I've sure caught alot of fish on gold ribbed hares ear
nymphs and wets. And a friend uses fur he combs off of his cat and claims it
beats *any* other material in fish catching abilities. Others who have used his
nymphs agree.
Polar bear fur has some man made analogues but I don't think the artificial
stuff has the same combination of flexibilty and translucency. Polar bears are
under a lot of environmental pressure. The thinning pack ice in the Arctic Ocean
has negatively affected their hunting success (and that of the eskimos). I don't
know what the current population is but it will bear watching. I think the ban
on polar bear fur was meant to discourage the taking of animals for use as rugs.
The fly tying industry was an innocent bystander. You see the stuff on eBay on a
pretty regular basis and I've yet to hear of a U.S. FWS raid on a fly tiers
cache.

g.c.

[Sierra fisher]

The ban on polar bear fur is a US ban, not a Candian ban. the logic is that
if Americans cannot own the fur, there is less reason for the Canadians and
eskimos to kill polar bears. Don't jump to the conclusion that the polar
bear population is decreasing. Churchhill is overrun by them every spring
as they wait for the ice floes to break loose. They would be a real
nuisance if it were not for all of the tourists who flock there every spring
and spend bucks to see the bears.


"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:55:55 +0100, "riverman" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Sierra fisher" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Bryan, I'm older than these other guys so send it to me.
> >>
> >> Polar bear hair is almost translucent and pleases the fly tyer if not
the
> >> fish. As others have said, it is used for wings an large flies. It is
> >near
> >> impossible to get in the US because of laws pushed through by
> >> conservationists. If you have it, it is only legal if you can PROVE
that
> >> the animal was killed before a certain date. There are a few other
> >> exceptions.
> >> It is NOT illegal to own it in Canada. They are apparently not as
> >concerned
> >> about the extinction of polar bears as are certain Americans. If you
go
> >to
> >> Canada, you can buy it and smuggle it back across the border. However,
> >the
> >> penalties can be very severe, even including imprisonment. If you have
a
> >> piece of it in the states and cannot prove its age/legality, you are
also
> >in
> >> jeopardy of these penalties.
> >> So send it to one of these other guys and let the feds know about it!!
> >
> >
> >When I was in Tuktoyuktuk in the late 80s, I bought a little stuffed
polar
> >bear made from sealskin, with the fur on. I've been eyeing it ever since
I
> >started tying flies: does seal fur have any properties that make it
> >attractive to tie with? What flies would be best?
> >
> >--riverman
> >
> >
> Seal fur was (is?) used in dubbing rough bodied nymphs. Old tiers claim
that
> aquatic mammal fur has a translucency not found in fur from more land
bound
> species. Maybe true. But I've sure caught alot of fish on gold ribbed
hares ear
> nymphs and wets. And a friend uses fur he combs off of his cat and claims
it
> beats *any* other material in fish catching abilities. Others who have
used his
> nymphs agree.
> Polar bear fur has some man made analogues but I don't think the
artificial
> stuff has the same combination of flexibilty and translucency. Polar bears
are
> under a lot of environmental pressure. The thinning pack ice in the Arctic
Ocean
> has negatively affected their hunting success (and that of the eskimos). I
don't
> know what the current population is but it will bear watching. I think the
ban
> on polar bear fur was meant to discourage the taking of animals for use as
rugs.
> The fly tying industry was an innocent bystander. You see the stuff on
eBay on a
> pretty regular basis and I've yet to hear of a U.S. FWS raid on a fly
tiers
> cache.
>
> g.c.


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[George Cleveland]

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:57:29 -0800, "Sierra fisher"
> wrote:

>The ban on polar bear fur is a US ban, not a Candian ban. the logic is that
>if Americans cannot own the fur, there is less reason for the Canadians and
>eskimos to kill polar bears. Don't jump to the conclusion that the polar
>bear population is decreasing. Churchhill is overrun by them every spring
>as they wait for the ice floes to break loose. They would be a real
>nuisance if it were not for all of the tourists who flock there every spring
>and spend bucks to see the bears.
>

Here's a link to polar bear populations.

http://www.polarbearsalive.org/facts.htm

And while Canada doesn't limit the sale of fur they do have limits on the total
harvest. I wouldn't be against the importation of legally taken polar bear fur
but one shouldn't assume that it was only sentimentalism that drove that ban.
27,000 world wide isn't a huge population for any animal and care must be
taken, particularly for an animal whose environment is in the midst of rapid
change. If I remember correctly, last summer the bears were forced to stay
almost a month longer ashore near Churchill due to the failure of the sea ice to
form at its usual time.

g.c.
>

[Sierra fisher]

George, that is a very good site! May of us talk like experts about things
that we know little. This site sure stops that!



"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:57:29 -0800, "Sierra fisher"
> > wrote:
>
> >The ban on polar bear fur is a US ban, not a Candian ban. the logic is
that
> >if Americans cannot own the fur, there is less reason for the Canadians
and
> >eskimos to kill polar bears. Don't jump to the conclusion that the polar
> >bear population is decreasing. Churchhill is overrun by them every
spring
> >as they wait for the ice floes to break loose. They would be a real
> >nuisance if it were not for all of the tourists who flock there every
spring
> >and spend bucks to see the bears.
> >
>
> Here's a link to polar bear populations.
>
> http://www.polarbearsalive.org/facts.htm
>
> And while Canada doesn't limit the sale of fur they do have limits on the
total
> harvest. I wouldn't be against the importation of legally taken polar bear
fur
> but one shouldn't assume that it was only sentimentalism that drove that
ban.
> 27,000 world wide isn't a huge population for any animal and care must be
> taken, particularly for an animal whose environment is in the midst of
rapid
> change. If I remember correctly, last summer the bears were forced to
stay
> almost a month longer ashore near Churchill due to the failure of the sea
ice to
> form at its usual time.
>
> g.c.
> >
>


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"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
> >
> >
> And a friend uses fur he combs off of his cat and claims it
> beats *any* other material in fish catching abilities. Others who have
used his
> nymphs agree.
>

Are you by chance referring to the "Tucker Nymph," tied by MP?

[Hooked]

"Sierra fisher" > wrote in message
...
> Seal fur is used in dubbing for certain nymphs. The guard hairs are very
> stiff and so stick out from the body of the fly. This gives the
appearance
> of legs. It is often described as "spikey".

Have you tried using a dubbing loop for the seals fur? I purchased a
substitute dubbing that was really stiff and the only way I could really do
anything with it was to use a dubbing loop.

[Sierra fisher]

Yes I use a dubbing loop. However remember that the spikey look is desired.
It is supposed to look like legs. another example is a hare's ear. It is
suposed to be tied with hairs from the face of a rabbit. The face has a lot
of stiff guard hairs that give a spikey or leggy look. If it is too spikey,
you can often just pull some of the longer hairs out with your fingers.

"Hooked" > wrote in message
...
> "Sierra fisher" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Seal fur is used in dubbing for certain nymphs. The guard hairs are
very
> > stiff and so stick out from the body of the fly. This gives the
> appearance
> > of legs. It is often described as "spikey".
>
> Have you tried using a dubbing loop for the seals fur? I purchased a
> substitute dubbing that was really stiff and the only way I could really
do
> anything with it was to use a dubbing loop.
>
>


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[riverman]

"Vaughan Hurry" > wrote in message
...
> > When I was in Tuktoyuktuk in the late 80s, I bought a little stuffed
polar
> > bear made from sealskin, with the fur on. I've been eyeing it ever since
I
> > started tying flies: does seal fur have any properties that make it
> > attractive to tie with? What flies would be best?
> >
> > --riverman
> >
> >
> Myron,
> There are a lot of salmon (and I guess steelhead) patterns that call for
> seal fur. I use it on a lot of my sea trout flies. It is nice and glossy
and
> a bugger to dub but it makes nice flies. Most of the flies you saw in my
sea
> trout boxes had seal fur bodies with squirrel hair wings and an over wing
of
> polar bear. I sometimes think it makes a bit of a mockery out of being a
C&R
> fisherman............

Good point, and I hadn't thought of that. It might be interesting to imagine
the highest impact fly possible: Eagle feathers, baby seal dubbing....
Where do you get your seal? I don't really want to start cutting up this
stuffed toy.
--riverman

[riverman]

"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:57:29 -0800, "Sierra fisher"
> > wrote:
>
> >The ban on polar bear fur is a US ban, not a Candian ban. the logic is
that
> >if Americans cannot own the fur, there is less reason for the Canadians
and
> >eskimos to kill polar bears. Don't jump to the conclusion that the polar
> >bear population is decreasing. Churchhill is overrun by them every
spring
> >as they wait for the ice floes to break loose. They would be a real
> >nuisance if it were not for all of the tourists who flock there every
spring
> >and spend bucks to see the bears.
> >
>
> Here's a link to polar bear populations.
>
> http://www.polarbearsalive.org/facts.htm
>
>

Great site. It mentions that, in all of Canada, in the past 30 years, only 7
people have been killed by polar bears. Instictively, that sounds low, and I
wonder how much evidence they are needing to attribute the death to polar
bear attack. Some people disappear without a trace.

I used to guide with a man named Tom Hallenbeck, who worked as a
mapper/surveyor for the Canadian Geological survey in the '70s. He and a
woman were mapping the Torngat mountains (a narrow N/S mountain range on the
thin tongue of land between Hudson's Bay and the North Atlantic). Each
morning the helicopter would drop them off at the top of the ridge, and they
would walk north together along the mountain ridge. Then, around midday,
they'd part company, one person hiking down to sealevel to the east, the
other down to the bay on the west. They'd hike back south along the coast,
and then reascend the mountain and meet at their starting point to get
choppered out.

One day, Tom and the woman parted company at noon, and he hiked down to the
bay, along the shore, then back to the ridgetop and waited for her. She
never arrived. They sent out helicopters and scouts, who tracked her path
down to the sea where it disappeared without a trace. They looked for about
a week, and finally concluded that a polar bear probably took her. They said
that polar bears are able to take sleeping fishermen off their boats at
night by lunging up, biting them on the head and pulling them overboard
without leaving a trace. Sometimes, their fishing partners don't notice them
gone until the next morning. The guides concluded that the only way she
would have disappeared without leaving <anything> behind (no gun, no
cartridge shells, no pack) was if a polar bear had grabbed her while she was
standing on a ledge above deep water and hauled her in.

--riverman

[Vaughan Hurry]

> Good point, and I hadn't thought of that. It might be interesting to
imagine
> the highest impact fly possible: Eagle feathers, baby seal dubbing....
> Where do you get your seal? I don't really want to start cutting up this
> stuffed toy.
> --riverman
>
>
I can buy it in the local store. Polar bear as well. You can also buy both
easily from e-stores such as John Norris in the UK and I am sure many
others. The polar bear I like to see before I buy as some of the mail order
stuff has been too short, believe it or not, I can not imagine what body
part it came from.............. Using pb fur makes you feel a bit grim but I
seriously doubt the population is being pushed to the brink by hunters
killing them so they can sell the fur for fly dressing. I suspect other
human activities have a far greater impact on dominant predators such as
polar bears. driving your car to the river to go fishing immediately springs
to mind.

cheers
Vaughan

[Clark Reid]

The European Hare is not really a rabbit and most of the prepackaged dubbing
blends don't have the range of colors found on the true Hare's mask. luckily
hare's are very plentiful in NZ and I shoot my own and only use the face
hair and the fine hair from the ears. The combination of gold's,tans and
black in each fibre is irresistible!!!

--
Clark Reid
http://www.dryflynz.com
Umpqua Designer Flytier


"Sierra fisher" > wrote in message
...
> Yes I use a dubbing loop. However remember that the spikey look is
desired.
> It is supposed to look like legs. another example is a hare's ear. It is
> suposed to be tied with hairs from the face of a rabbit. The face has a
lot
> of stiff guard hairs that give a spikey or leggy look. If it is too
spikey,
> you can often just pull some of the longer hairs out with your fingers.

[George Cleveland]

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:45:37 GMT, "Hooked" > wrote:

>"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
>> >
>> >
>> And a friend uses fur he combs off of his cat and claims it
>> beats *any* other material in fish catching abilities. Others who have
>used his
>> nymphs agree.
>>
>
>Are you by chance referring to the "Tucker Nymph," tied by MP?
>
>
You betchya der hey!

g.c.

[Hooked]

I personally haven't tried one, but I read his webpage every week. One of
the best I've seen for updates regarding SE Wisconsin fishing. Maybe someday
I'll run into him somewhere and I'll get to see/try one of those bad boys.


"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> You betchya der hey!
>
> g.c.

[George Cleveland]

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 07:38:17 GMT, "Hooked" > wrote:

>I personally haven't tried one, but I read his webpage every week. One of
>the best I've seen for updates regarding SE Wisconsin fishing. Maybe someday
>I'll run into him somewhere and I'll get to see/try one of those bad boys.
>
>
>"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>> You betchya der hey!
>>
>> g.c.
>
>
He should (might) be at the Rush River, next June 11-13. Wiscosin Fly Fishing
Message Board Clave. You'd be most welcome. (Anyone else would be too).

g.c.

[Bill Kiene]

Hi Bryan,

Polar bear hair has a special sheen that makes steelhead flies look very
much alive. Many of my older fly fishing buddies use to use it to tie their
steelhead and salmon flies.

We don't have it in most fly shops in the US but I see it every time I go to
Canada along with seal fur.

Mostly these materials are not legal products for us to sell in our shops in
the US except maybe with special documentation? I here the Feds don't have
much of heart and go for the throat if they find illegal materials.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"Bryan" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> I'm still pretty new to the fly tying hobby. I've only been doing it for
> about 6 months. The other day a friend gave me a piece of REAL polar bear
> fur his grandfather used when he was alive. What would it be used for
that
> other furs can't do as well?
>
> Bryan
>
>
>

[tony]

i reckon the next time i catch a polar bear ill have no problems moving the
fur but i need to know how long in an oven for roast bear lets see 1 hour a
kilo at 600 kilos

right dinner will be at my place when hes ready

"Bill Kiene" > wrote in message
. com...
> Hi Bryan,
>
> Polar bear hair has a special sheen that makes steelhead flies look very
> much alive. Many of my older fly fishing buddies use to use it to tie
their
> steelhead and salmon flies.
>
> We don't have it in most fly shops in the US but I see it every time I go
to
> Canada along with seal fur.
>
> Mostly these materials are not legal products for us to sell in our shops
in
> the US except maybe with special documentation? I here the Feds don't
have
> much of heart and go for the throat if they find illegal materials.
>
> --
> Bill Kiene
>
> Kiene's Fly Shop
> Sacramento, CA
> www.kiene.com
>
> "Bryan" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > I'm still pretty new to the fly tying hobby. I've only been doing it
for
> > about 6 months. The other day a friend gave me a piece of REAL polar
bear
> > fur his grandfather used when he was alive. What would it be used for
> that
> > other furs can't do as well?
> >
> > Bryan
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Hooked]

"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
>
> He should (might) be at the Rush River, next June 11-13. Wiscosin Fly
Fishing
> Message Board Clave. You'd be most welcome. (Anyone else would be too).
>
> g.c.


Ummm...

Where's the Rush River?

[George Cleveland]

On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:46:22 -0600, "Hooked" > wrote:

>"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> He should (might) be at the Rush River, next June 11-13. Wiscosin Fly
>Fishing
>> Message Board Clave. You'd be most welcome. (Anyone else would be too).
>>
>> g.c.
>
>
>Ummm...
>
>Where's the Rush River?
>
>
Far west central WI. Near River Falls.

g.c.

[Hooked]

"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
> >
> >
> Far west central WI. Near River Falls.
>
> g.c.

Damn! Now I know I don't get out and about enough.

Where is River Falls?

[Wolfgang]

"Hooked" > wrote in message
...
> "George Cleveland" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >
> > >
> > Far west central WI. Near River Falls.
> >
> > g.c.
>
> Damn! Now I know I don't get out and about enough.
>
> Where is River Falls?

Um.......far west central WI?

Wolfgang
who, admittedly, is just guessing because he hasn't been out there for quite
some time.

[George Cleveland]

On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:18:58 -0600, "Wolfgang" > wrote:

>
>"Hooked" > wrote in message
...
>> "George Cleveland" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > Far west central WI. Near River Falls.
>> >
>> > g.c.
>>
>> Damn! Now I know I don't get out and about enough.
>>
>> Where is River Falls?
>
>Um.......far west central WI?
>
>Wolfgang
>who, admittedly, is just guessing because he hasn't been out there for quite
>some time.
>
>
You thinking of coming Master Wolf ? We could always crash at Cyli's house ;^)
(Although the campground is pretty nice. It has its own bar across a pretty big
field. Not to mention a small trout creek that flows by the tent sites. )

g.c.

[Wolfgang]

"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:18:58 -0600, "Wolfgang" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Hooked" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> "George Cleveland" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > Far west central WI. Near River Falls.
> >> >
> >> > g.c.
> >>
> >> Damn! Now I know I don't get out and about enough.
> >>
> >> Where is River Falls?
> >
> >Um.......far west central WI?
> >
> >Wolfgang
> >who, admittedly, is just guessing because he hasn't been out there for
quite
> >some time.
> >
> >
> You thinking of coming Master Wolf ? We could always crash at Cyli's house
;^)
> (Although the campground is pretty nice. It has its own bar across a
pretty big
> field. Not to mention a small trout creek that flows by the tent sites. )
>
> g.c.

Depends. Is it a soft field?

Wolfgang
who has been to places across one thing or another from a bar a time or
two......hard, unyielding things that loom up all of a sudden like. :(

[Bryan]

You guys crack me up. I guess polar bear fur has some value so I think I'll
just keep it around and wait until I get a little better at fly tying before
I use it. Then if I get really greedy I'll sell some flys made with the
stuff on eBay (or may just give a few to those that invite me to go fishing
with them).

Bryan


"Hooked" > wrote in message
...
> "Bryan" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > I'm still pretty new to the fly tying hobby. I've only been doing it
for
> > about 6 months. The other day a friend gave me a piece of REAL polar
bear
> > fur his grandfather used when he was alive. What would it be used for
> that
> > other furs can't do as well?
> >
> > Bryan
> >
> >
>
> Bryan,
>
> The only use for polar bear hair is to wrap it up real carefully and send
it
> to me via next day air.
>
> Unless of course you want to tie up some salmon/steelhead flies for me.
>
>
>

[Hooked]

Tie 'em up!
The steelhead are in the rivers now!
Come on over!!!


"Bryan" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> You guys crack me up. I guess polar bear fur has some value so I think
I'll
> just keep it around and wait until I get a little better at fly tying
before
> I use it. Then if I get really greedy I'll sell some flys made with the
> stuff on eBay (or may just give a few to those that invite me to go
fishing
> with them).
>
> Bryan
>
>

[George Cleveland]

On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:41:40 -0600, "Wolfgang" > wrote:

>
>"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:18:58 -0600, "Wolfgang" > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Hooked" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> "George Cleveland" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > Far west central WI. Near River Falls.
>> >> >
>> >> > g.c.
>> >>
>> >> Damn! Now I know I don't get out and about enough.
>> >>
>> >> Where is River Falls?
>> >
>> >Um.......far west central WI?
>> >
>> >Wolfgang
>> >who, admittedly, is just guessing because he hasn't been out there for
>quite
>> >some time.
>> >
>> >
>> You thinking of coming Master Wolf ? We could always crash at Cyli's house
>;^)
>> (Although the campground is pretty nice. It has its own bar across a
>pretty big
>> field. Not to mention a small trout creek that flows by the tent sites. )
>>
>> g.c.
>
>Depends. Is it a soft field?
>
>Wolfgang
>who has been to places across one thing or another from a bar a time or
>two......hard, unyielding things that loom up all of a sudden like. :(
>
>
Not too bad. I think there's a volley ball pit and then a softball diamond. Then
a big grass covered field. The campground is about 150 yards behind the bar. We
never even noticed it two Junes ago. If one were to miss ones tent (for whatever
reason) the worst that would happen would be that you would find yourself hip
deep in the Trimbelle River, there barely 15 feet across and home to some nice
little brownies.

g.c.

[Wolfgang]

"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:41:40 -0600, "Wolfgang" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:18:58 -0600, "Wolfgang" > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Hooked" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> "George Cleveland" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > Far west central WI. Near River Falls.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > g.c.
> >> >>
> >> >> Damn! Now I know I don't get out and about enough.
> >> >>
> >> >> Where is River Falls?
> >> >
> >> >Um.......far west central WI?
> >> >
> >> >Wolfgang
> >> >who, admittedly, is just guessing because he hasn't been out there for
> >quite
> >> >some time.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> You thinking of coming Master Wolf ? We could always crash at Cyli's
house
> >;^)
> >> (Although the campground is pretty nice. It has its own bar across a
> >pretty big
> >> field. Not to mention a small trout creek that flows by the tent
sites. )
> >>
> >> g.c.
> >
> >Depends. Is it a soft field?
> >
> >Wolfgang
> >who has been to places across one thing or another from a bar a time or
> >two......hard, unyielding things that loom up all of a sudden like.
:(
> >
> >
> Not too bad. I think there's a volley ball pit and then a softball
diamond. Then
> a big grass covered field. The campground is about 150 yards behind the
bar. We
> never even noticed it two Junes ago. If one were to miss ones tent (for
whatever
> reason) the worst that would happen would be that you would find yourself
hip
> deep in the Trimbelle River, there barely 15 feet across and home to some
nice
> little brownies.

O.k.....throw in a snorkel and I'm in.

Wolfgang

[George Cleveland]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:09:19 -0600, "Wolfgang" > wrote:

>
>"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:41:40 -0600, "Wolfgang" > wrote:
>>

>> >> You thinking of coming Master Wolf ? We could always crash at Cyli's
>house
>> >;^)
>> >> (Although the campground is pretty nice. It has its own bar across a
>> >pretty big
>> >> field. Not to mention a small trout creek that flows by the tent
>sites. )
>> >>
>> >> g.c.
>> >
>> >Depends. Is it a soft field?
>> >
>> >Wolfgang
>> >who has been to places across one thing or another from a bar a time or
>> >two......hard, unyielding things that loom up all of a sudden like.
>:(
>> >
>> >
>> Not too bad. I think there's a volley ball pit and then a softball
>diamond. Then
>> a big grass covered field. The campground is about 150 yards behind the
>bar. We
>> never even noticed it two Junes ago. If one were to miss ones tent (for
>whatever
>> reason) the worst that would happen would be that you would find yourself
>hip
>> deep in the Trimbelle River, there barely 15 feet across and home to some
>nice
>> little brownies.
>
>O.k.....throw in a snorkel and I'm in.
>
>Wolfgang
>
>
We have several! Would you prefer the one featuring Sponge Bob Squarepants or
the older, classic Muppet Babys model?

g.c.

[Wolfgang]

"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:09:19 -0600, "Wolfgang" > wrote:

> >O.k.....throw in a snorkel and I'm in.
> >
> >Wolfgang
> >
> >
> We have several! Would you prefer the one featuring Sponge Bob Squarepants
or
> the older, classic Muppet Babys model?

Whichever has the larger beer funnel at the top......duh! :)

Wolfgang
and get yer asses down here.....soon!

[George Cleveland]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:17:09 -0600, "Wolfgang" > wrote:

>
>"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:09:19 -0600, "Wolfgang" > wrote:
>
>> >O.k.....throw in a snorkel and I'm in.
>> >
>> >Wolfgang
>> >
>> >
>> We have several! Would you prefer the one featuring Sponge Bob Squarepants
>or
>> the older, classic Muppet Babys model?
>
>Whichever has the larger beer funnel at the top......duh! :)
>
>Wolfgang
>and get yer asses down here.....soon!
>
>
Well, asses are part of the problem. Jacci is still a bit sore and its hard to
get her excited about a 3 and a half hour car trip right now. Add to that, the
tendency of half of my factory to desert ship during deer season means there is
mucho overtime in the near future. So how does December look? I know it is a
frantic time of year. Maybe later in the winter. I've yet to ski the Kettle
Moraine. Might be nice.

g.c.

[Wolfgang]

"George Cleveland" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:17:09 -0600, "Wolfgang" > wrote:


> > ....and get yer asses down here.....soon!
> >
> >
> Well, asses are part of the problem. Jacci is still a bit sore and its
hard to
> get her excited about a 3 and a half hour car trip right now.

That looks a lot stranger than I know it to be. :)

> Add to that, the
> tendency of half of my factory to desert ship during deer season means
there is
> mucho overtime in the near future. So how does December look?
> I know it is a
> frantic time of year. Maybe later in the winter.

December's good......no more frantic than any other time, here.

> I've yet to ski the Kettle
> Moraine. Might be nice.

There are some very nice ski trails. Well, in years when there is snow.
The last seven winters have been very mild......doubtless there have been
times when the skiing was good, but not often. I'll keep you posted on
conditions.

Wolfgang