Dave's Flexament

[Bryan]

I have found that most normal fly tying cement can be thined with acetone -
except Dave Flexament. I was told that Dave's Flexament is vinyl based.
I've tried using acetone and it just screws it up. I've also tried mineral
spirits and lacquer thinner but they don't work either. Does anyone know
what could be used to thin it down a little? Mine gets pretty thick after
opening the bottle repeatedly. I see that there is a Dave Flexament thinner
but I can't find it in the stores.

[mmcgr]

Bryan wrote:
> I have found that most normal fly tying cement can be thined with acetone -
> except Dave Flexament. I was told that Dave's Flexament is vinyl based.
> I've tried using acetone and it just screws it up. I've also tried mineral
> spirits and lacquer thinner but they don't work either. Does anyone know
> what could be used to thin it down a little? Mine gets pretty thick after
> opening the bottle repeatedly. I see that there is a Dave Flexament thinner
> but I can't find it in the stores.
>
>
Try toluene. May be a bit hard to find. TrueValue hardware stores have
it around here (SF bay area). Paint stores might also be a place to look.

Mike

[Allen Epps]

In article et>,
mmcgr > wrote:

> Bryan wrote:
> > I have found that most normal fly tying cement can be thined with acetone -
> > except Dave Flexament. I was told that Dave's Flexament is vinyl based.
> > I've tried using acetone and it just screws it up. I've also tried mineral
> > spirits and lacquer thinner but they don't work either. Does anyone know
> > what could be used to thin it down a little? Mine gets pretty thick after
> > opening the bottle repeatedly. I see that there is a Dave Flexament thinner
> > but I can't find it in the stores.
> >
> >
> Try toluene. May be a bit hard to find. TrueValue hardware stores have
> it around here (SF bay area). Paint stores might also be a place to look.
>
> Mike
>
If you find Toluene I seem to recall it's pretty toxic stuff so be
careful (unless I'm wrong then have a ball)
Allen

[vincent p. norris]

>I have found that most normal fly tying cement can be thined with acetone -
>except Dave Flexament..... Does anyone know what could be used to thin it down a little?

I've heasrd that toluene, aka toluol, will do it.

I make my own "Flexament" by mixing some "Goop" and toluene to get the
right consistency. I understand the fumes can cause birth defects,
though. So if you're of baby-making age, you might want to avoid it.

vince

[George Adams]

>From: vincent p. norris

>I make my own "Flexament" by mixing some "Goop" and toluene to get the
>right consistency. I understand the fumes can cause birth defects,
>though. So if you're of baby-making age, you might want to avoid it.

Toluene is very toxic. IIRC it is a major component in the manufacture of
phosgene (sp?) gas.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

[Wolfgang]

"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
...
> >I have found that most normal fly tying cement can be thined with
acetone -
> >except Dave Flexament..... Does anyone know what could be used to thin
it down a little?
>
> I've heasrd that toluene, aka toluol, will do it.
>
> I make my own "Flexament" by mixing some "Goop" and toluene to get the
> right consistency. I understand the fumes can cause birth defects,
> though.

As can a decent Chardonnay, from what I hear.

> So if you're of baby-making age, you might want to avoid it.

As single man, I've got to say there's something seriously twisted about the
logic in that statement. :)

Wolfgang

[Bob Eury]

Toxicity of toluene:

Calm down guys. Let's put things in perspective here. Toluene is a suspected
carcinogen. Benzene is a known carcinogen. Both are present at high levels in
gasoline. Treat the toluene (or toluol) with the respect and care that you
would gasoline.

Perhaps toluene was used as a solvent in the manufacturing of phosgene but the
toxicity of phosgene and toluene have no relationship to each other. I started
to list my credentials here but you wouldn't know them to be true, so don't
take my word for it. You can find the the MSDS online. In the future, if you
have a question regarding the toxicity of any material, just perform a search
for it's MSDS.

I have included the URLs for the MSDS of several compounds for your review.
For most people, just reading the MSDS for a compound isn't very informative.
That is why I included several different ones so that you can compare between
them.

Toluene
http://www.bandj.com/BJMSDS/MSDS_PDF/TOLUENE.pdf

Gasoline
http://www.hess.com/about/msds/Gaso_Reg_0323_clr.pdf

Ethyl alcohol (the alcohol that is consumed)
http://www.aaper.com/aapermsds/6Ethyl%20190.pdf

Phosgene
http://www.vngas.com/pdf/g67.pdf

[Wolfgang]

"Bob Eury" > wrote in message
...
> .....I started
> to list my credentials here but you wouldn't know them to be true, so
don't
> take my word for it......

We know the credentials of most of the correspondents on these pages to be
fabrications.......and not particularly adept frauds at that. And yet, this
knowledge does not in the least diminish our deep and abiding respect for
them. Go ahead and list.

Wolfgang

[Brimbum]

Mike wrote:>Try toluene. May be a bit hard to find. TrueValue hardware stores
have
>it around here (SF bay area). Paint stores might also be a place to look.
>
>Mike
>

The stuff is so nasty lots of cities no longer allow it to be sold.

Big Dale

[Tony & Barb Vellturo]

Glad to see there's another chemist on board!


On 17 Nov 2003 04:17:11 GMT, (Bob Eury) wrote:

>Toxicity of toluene:
>
>Calm down guys. Let's put things in perspective here. Toluene is a suspected
>carcinogen. Benzene is a known carcinogen. Both are present at high levels in
>gasoline. Treat the toluene (or toluol) with the respect and care that you
>would gasoline.
>
>Perhaps toluene was used as a solvent in the manufacturing of phosgene but the
>toxicity of phosgene and toluene have no relationship to each other. I started
>to list my credentials here but you wouldn't know them to be true, so don't
>take my word for it. You can find the the MSDS online. In the future, if you
>have a question regarding the toxicity of any material, just perform a search
>for it's MSDS.
>
>I have included the URLs for the MSDS of several compounds for your review.
>For most people, just reading the MSDS for a compound isn't very informative.
>That is why I included several different ones so that you can compare between
>them.
>
>Toluene
>http://www.bandj.com/BJMSDS/MSDS_PDF/TOLUENE.pdf
>
>Gasoline
>http://www.hess.com/about/msds/Gaso_Reg_0323_clr.pdf
>
>Ethyl alcohol (the alcohol that is consumed)
>http://www.aaper.com/aapermsds/6Ethyl%20190.pdf
>
>Phosgene
>http://www.vngas.com/pdf/g67.pdf
>
>
>
>
>

[slenon]

Bob, is there a commercial use for phosgene?

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[Wolfgang]

"slenon" > wrote in message
. com...
> Bob, is there a commercial use for phosgene?

?

Is there a NON-commercial use?

Wolfgang
who, if they are giving the stuff away, will take a bucket or two.

[Charlie Choc]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:58:01 GMT, "slenon"
> wrote:

>Bob, is there a commercial use for phosgene?

Some uses are mentioned here:
http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/phosgene.html
--
Charlie...

[slenon]

>>Bob, is there a commercial use for phosgene?

>Some uses are mentioned here:
http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/phosgene.html
>Charlie...

That answers my question. Pharmaceuticals would be commercial enough for
me.


--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[slenon]

>Is there a NON-commercial use?
>Wolfgang

I guess that would depend upon one's usage of "commercial." I'm certain our
views differ here. What a surprise that is.
--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[Wolfgang]

"slenon" > wrote in message
. com...
> >Is there a NON-commercial use?
> >Wolfgang
>
> I guess that would depend upon one's usage of "commercial."

So, define your terms, and then let me know whether or not there's any
non-commercial uses for phosgene.....if you please.

> I'm certain our views differ here.

Certainty is an insidious killer.....think back thirty-five years or
so......see what I mean?

> What a surprise that is.

Hm......somebody's getting a might tetchy.

Wolfgang

[vincent p. norris]

>> I make my own "Flexament" by mixing some "Goop" and toluene to get the
>> right consistency. I understand the fumes can cause birth defects,
>> though.
>
>As can a decent Chardonnay, from what I hear.

But it has a more pleasant nose. And tastes far better, at least with
white meat. Don't know about red.
>
>> So if you're of baby-making age, you might want to avoid it.
>
>As single man, I've got to say there's something seriously twisted about the
>logic in that statement. :)

Could you untwist it for me?

vince

[Sandy Pittendrigh]

If you put a fat glob of flexament and toluene in a plastic
bag, and then breath into and out of the bag for a few deep
breaths, you'll get high as a kite.

....and you'll never have to worry about doing calculus ever
again.

[slenon]

Wolfgang:
>then let me know whether or not there's any
>non-commercial uses for phosgene.....if you please.

I do not consider the utilization of phosgene as a weapon during WWI or any
other war to be a commercial use. While you may argue that money changed
hands and manufacturers were involved in production of such materials, the
overall final utilization was to achieve desired political outcomes by one
or more governmental bodies acting through their military branches.

YMMV based upon your current and previous views of the world's economic,
cultural, social, and political structures at any given time on the current
continuum.

>Certainty is an insidious killer.....think back >thirty-five years or
so......see what I mean?

Time is an insidious killer. Certainty is quite apparent and may be as
sharp as hot shrapnel or the working end of an RPG-4. It may also be as
blunt and brutal as the hub of a steering wheel impacting one's sternum,
leading to flail chest, respiratory distress, cardiac tamponade, and a small
plot of ground. That is a reality of 35 years or so ago.

>Hm......somebody's getting a might tetchy.

Yes, you do seem to be. SAD perhaps, as the long dark nights at your higher
latitude creep in? I also note your rather obsessive use of "....." and
"......." in so much of your written communication. For someone who
frequently suggests others refer to grammar texts, your own patterns might
suggest that a referral may well be in order.

But, since I hold neither an advanced degree in Psychiatry or psychology and
own no pharmaceutical stocks, I'll let someone else draw those conclusions.
When I next see you writing your own version of "I am Emperor, bring me
pudding!", I will consider that the similarities are amusing, if tragic, and
try to treat you accordingly.


--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[Lat705]

It will also do a quick check on your liver condition.


Lou T

[vincent p. norris]

>If you put a fat glob of flexament and toluene in a plastic
>bag, and then breath into and out of the bag for a few deep
>breaths, you'll get high as a kite.
>
>...and you'll never have to worry about doing calculus ever
>again.

Although I'm unlikely to do that, I feel reasonably safe using my
homemade Flexament. I got the recipe from George Harvey, who
celebrated his 92nd birthday a few days ago, and is still in good
enough health to drive a car and take a long walk every day, after
using it for many years.

vince

[Stan Gula]

"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
...
> I feel reasonably safe using my
> homemade Flexament. I got the recipe from George Harvey, who
> celebrated his 92nd birthday a few days ago, and is still in good
> enough health to drive a car and take a long walk every day, after
> using it for many years.
>
> vince

Yeah, but think how old he would be if he had *never* used a flexament
substitute.
<g>

[Bryan]

Define "Goop" please.


"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
...
> >I have found that most normal fly tying cement can be thined with
acetone -
> >except Dave Flexament..... Does anyone know what could be used to thin
it down a little?
>
> I've heasrd that toluene, aka toluol, will do it.
>
> I make my own "Flexament" by mixing some "Goop" and toluene to get the
> right consistency. I understand the fumes can cause birth defects,
> though. So if you're of baby-making age, you might want to avoid it.
>
> vince

[Hooked]

"Bryan" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Define "Goop" please.
>

Check these for "Goop"

http://www.thistothat.com/glue/hgoop.shtml

http://eclecticproducts.com/goop/home.asp

[vincent p. norris]

>Yeah, but think how old he would be if he had *never* used a flexament
>substitute.

You've been watching those old Victor Borge tapes again, haven't you,
Stan!

In case you haven't, he used to ask his kid, "How old are you?"

If the kid said "Ten," Victor woud say, "Shame on you! When I was your
age I was eleven!"

vince

[Larry]

> Do any of you chemists out there know whether the thinner sold for Dave's
> Flexament is in fact toluene, or something else?

Not a chemist, just a bit amazed. This discussion comes up every 6
months or so, and it's all about folks not wanting to spend 42-3 for a
bottle of Dave's thinner... criminy sakes, when you think about what WE
spend for other things related to this hobby/pastime/obsession, just go
out and spend the money and buy the product that's properly suited to
the application... Dave's a nice guy, I'm sure he can use the 50 cents
he'll make from it and he gives a lot back to kids...

Larry

[Hooked]

Amen.


"Larry" > wrote in message
. com...
>
>
>
> > Do any of you chemists out there know whether the thinner sold for
Dave's
> > Flexament is in fact toluene, or something else?
>
> Not a chemist, just a bit amazed. This discussion comes up every 6
> months or so, and it's all about folks not wanting to spend 42-3 for a
> bottle of Dave's thinner... criminy sakes, when you think about what WE
> spend for other things related to this hobby/pastime/obsession, just go
> out and spend the money and buy the product that's properly suited to
> the application... Dave's a nice guy, I'm sure he can use the 50 cents
> he'll make from it and he gives a lot back to kids...
>
> Larry
>

[riverman]

"Brimbum" > wrote in message
...
> Mike wrote:>Try toluene. May be a bit hard to find. TrueValue hardware
stores
> have
> >it around here (SF bay area). Paint stores might also be a place to look.
> >
> >Mike
> >
>
> The stuff is so nasty lots of cities no longer allow it to be sold.


I didn't know any <cities> had banned it. Can cities do that? Other than
being a carcinogen (and in cigarettes), its so damn evaporative that its
hard to get a lethal dose unless you are working with it directly and
regularly, or huffing it. It evaporates out of the soil and water, and a
cupful of it in a warm room will go dry in about 5 minutes. Its pretty
commonly found in boating supply shops, as its the base for many marine
cements. We used it extensively in river rafting, as the best flexible boat
cements ("StaBond" and "Bostick" being the most popular) are toluene based.
And its in many marine paints that we used to paint company logos on rafts.
We always used masks and gloves when using it, because after a half-hour of
indirect contact you'd get the most hellacious headache you ever had and had
to stop working. But we never had any problem at all finding it in any
amounts. Lots of sweet-smelling nail polish removers have toluene. Does
anyone know if 'Hard as Nails' has it? Thats what I use to seal the heads on
my flies.

--riverman

[DaveMohnsen]

"riverman" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Brimbum" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Mike wrote:>Try toluene. May be a bit hard to find. TrueValue hardware
> stores
> > have
> > >it around here (SF bay area). Paint stores might also be a place to
look.
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >
> >
> > The stuff is so nasty lots of cities no longer allow it to be sold.
>
>
> I didn't know any <cities> had banned it. Can cities do that? Other than
> being a carcinogen (and in cigarettes), its so damn evaporative that its
> hard to get a lethal dose unless you are working with it directly and
> regularly, or huffing it. It evaporates out of the soil and water, and a
> cupful of it in a warm room will go dry in about 5 minutes. Its pretty
> commonly found in boating supply shops, as its the base for many marine
> cements. We used it extensively in river rafting, as the best flexible
boat
> cements ("StaBond" and "Bostick" being the most popular) are toluene
based.
> And its in many marine paints that we used to paint company logos on
rafts.
> We always used masks and gloves when using it, because after a half-hour
of
> indirect contact you'd get the most hellacious headache you ever had and
had
> to stop working. But we never had any problem at all finding it in any
> amounts. Lots of sweet-smelling nail polish removers have toluene. Does
> anyone know if 'Hard as Nails' has it? Thats what I use to seal the heads
on
> my flies.
>
> --riverman
>

Hi riverman,
Heh . . . heh . . . I've been tying for over 30 years and coincidentally
just bought my first couple bottles of Hard As Nails last week. Here is
what it says on the back of the display package as far as ingredients:

Butyl Acetate, Isopropyl Alcohol, Ethyl Acetate, Nitrocellulose,
Tosylamide/Formaldehyde Resin, N-Butyl Alcohol, Dibutyl Phthalate, Camphor,
Benzophenone-1, D&C Violet 2.

I figure all that "stuff" just means . . .use for fly tying if so inclined.
:)
BestWishes,
DaveMohnsen
Denver

[Larry]

>>>The stuff is so nasty lots of cities no longer allow it to be sold.
>>
>>
>>I didn't know any <cities> had banned it. Can cities do that?


>>The stuff is so nasty lots of cities no longer allow it to be sold.
>
>
>
> I didn't know any <cities> had banned it. Can cities do that? Other than
> being a carcinogen (and in cigarettes), its so damn evaporative that its
> hard to get a lethal dose unless you are working with it directly and
> regularly, or huffing it.

I think you hit the nail on the head... it's because of the people who
can't buy spray paint for huffing anymore because it's kept under lock
and key so the "taggers" can't buy it that are now looking for other
"huff de jour" products that are inexpensive in large quantities to
purchase for their cellular degeneration activities that a city can
"discourage certain retailers from carrying" products that make up a
VERY SMALL percentage of their sales, but are known to be used for
illegal purposes in lower income areas of cities.

I don't know that it's an out-and-out ban of the product, it's just a
request that they discontinue stocking it, which may be an inconvenience
for a small percentage of thei customers.

But yeah, cities can ban anything if they want... I know that for sure,
as I live VERY close to Berkeley, and they (among other SF Bay Area
Cities) have declared themselves "Nuclear Free Zones", which means
nuclear products and/or waste cannot be shipped through their city limits.

Larry

[Tim J.]

"Larry" wrote...
>
<snip>
> But yeah, cities can ban anything if they want... I know that for sure,
> as I live VERY close to Berkeley, and they (among other SF Bay Area
> Cities) have declared themselves "Nuclear Free Zones", which means
> nuclear products and/or waste cannot be shipped through their city limits.

Yeah, but what is rather comical about their ban is that the nukes and
byproducts can still be trucked along interstate freeways or state maintained
highways as these are not considered city property. Also, Oakland is not
nuke-free and Alameda Naval Air Station certainly isn't, so a slight ocean
breeze places Berserkly directly in the path of the great green glowing cloud.
The last time I checked about six years ago, Berkeley was the only Bay Area (not
to mention U.S.) city signed on to this "pact" along with Glasgow, Scotland and
Midlothian, Netherlands. What other cities are now signed up?

Hey, whatever makes 'em feel better.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

[riverman]

"Tim J." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Larry" wrote...
> >
> <snip>
> > But yeah, cities can ban anything if they want... I know that for sure,
> > as I live VERY close to Berkeley, and they (among other SF Bay Area
> > Cities) have declared themselves "Nuclear Free Zones", which means
> > nuclear products and/or waste cannot be shipped through their city
limits.
>
> Yeah, but what is rather comical about their ban is that the nukes and
> byproducts can still be trucked along interstate freeways or state
maintained
> highways as these are not considered city property. Also, Oakland is not
> nuke-free and Alameda Naval Air Station certainly isn't, so a slight ocean
> breeze places Berserkly directly in the path of the great green glowing
cloud.
> The last time I checked about six years ago, Berkeley was the only Bay
Area (not
> to mention U.S.) city signed on to this "pact" along with Glasgow,
Scotland and
> Midlothian, Netherlands. What other cities are now signed up?
>
>

State and National Highways are considered separate from cities. Just ask
my, umm, friend (yeah, thats it) who got pulled over in Seattle about 20
years ago with a baggie and about 1 gram of dust, sticks and seeds in it.
King county is a 'misdemeanor zone', so that didn't even qualify for a
ticket. But Highway 5 is Federal Property, so my, umm, friend got to spend a
few hours in the King County Jailhouse while they took a bunch of
EBTCGPWCAAAAPOTBOEOEWEOWTBUAEAH, and later, thanks to the bureaucratic
inefficiency of Officer Ketchum (yep) and the leniency of Judge Ed Scape
(yep, again), got to go home free.

--riverman

(and there, but for the grace of god....)

[George Adams]

>From: "Tim J."

>The last time I checked about six years ago, Berkeley was the only Bay Area
>(not
>to mention U.S.) city signed on to this "pact" along with Glasgow, Scotland
>and
>Midlothian, Netherlands. What other cities are now signed up?

IIRC, Amherst, MA proclaimed themselves as a "Nuclear Free Zone" several years
ago. Now there's a big surprise.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

[Tim J.]

"riverman" wrote...
> "Tim J." wrote...
> > "Larry" wrote...
> > >
> > <snip>
> > > But yeah, cities can ban anything if they want... I know that for sure,
> > > as I live VERY close to Berkeley, and they (among other SF Bay Area
> > > Cities) have declared themselves "Nuclear Free Zones", which means
> > > nuclear products and/or waste cannot be shipped through their city
> limits.
> >
> > Yeah, but what is rather comical about their ban is that the nukes and
> > byproducts can still be trucked along interstate freeways or state
> maintained
> > highways as these are not considered city property.

<snipped good "friend" story>

> EBTCGPWCAAAAPOTBOEOEWEOWTBUAEAH

?? Please share. Hmmmm. . . could be a good song: "Don't Bogart That Acronym, My
Friend"
--
TL,
Tim
(and I'm NOT adding that one to the list)
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

[Bryan]

When I started this thread on Dave's Flexament it was because I went to
Sportsman's Warehouse looking for thinner along with other stuff. They told
me that they didn't sell thinner. I ended up buying another bottle - again.
I was just asking what the thinning chemical was just in case I had some in
my garage or by chance ran into it while in another store. That's all.
Next time I'm in another fly shop I'll look to see if they have thinner and
buy a couple of bottles.

I'm not a tight-wad. I just don't want to run all over town or call all the
fly shops in Salt Lake City for a stupid 3 dollar bottle.

"Larry" > wrote in message
. com...
>
>
>
> > Do any of you chemists out there know whether the thinner sold for
Dave's
> > Flexament is in fact toluene, or something else?
>
> Not a chemist, just a bit amazed. This discussion comes up every 6
> months or so, and it's all about folks not wanting to spend 42-3 for a
> bottle of Dave's thinner... criminy sakes, when you think about what WE
> spend for other things related to this hobby/pastime/obsession, just go
> out and spend the money and buy the product that's properly suited to
> the application... Dave's a nice guy, I'm sure he can use the 50 cents
> he'll make from it and he gives a lot back to kids...
>
> Larry
>

[Hooked]

All the fly shops in Salt Lake City?

How many can there be?

There's only a couple places here in Milwaukee. Salt Lake City can't be that
much bigger. At least it wasn't all that big the last time I was there.


"Bryan" > wrote in message
nk.net...
>
>
> I just don't want to run all over town or call all the
> fly shops in Salt Lake City for a stupid 3 dollar bottle.
>

[riverman]

"Tim J." > wrote in message
...
>
> "riverman" wrote.
>
> > EBTCGPWCAAAAPOTBOEOEWEOWTBUAEAH
>
> ?? Please share. Hmmmm. . . could be a good song: "Don't Bogart That
Acronym, My
> Friend"
>

It already IS a song. "Eight by ten color glossy photographs...."

--riverman

[slenon]

>It already IS a song. "Eight by ten color glossy photographs...."
>--riverman

Ah, yes! Thanksgiving is nearly upon us again. I've got to take the duck
out of the freezer on Tuesday.

It'll be another Thanksgiving dinner that can't be beat.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[c.renn]

OK, you're entitled to your view of the world. And, I certainly try as best
I can to support my local shops. But, don't be so egocentric.

Many of us live in the sticks. It takes special planning to get to the big
city to buy the specialty items you take for granted. Sometimes, we don't
plan ahead effectively. At those times, it helps to know a different route
to the same destination. It's not that we eschew the packaged solutions.
We just need it now and can't get to the specialty shop in the specialty
mall in the specialty suburb of that special city. Sometimes, they're just
not open when we need it. So, we punt.

We're not ogres. We just have a different set of problems to solve.

Charley

(Yeah, I know. I live in Corvallis, OR, where we DO have a local flyshop.
But, Brian and Matt are trying to make a living and can't always stock
everything I need or be open when I demand. So, I dye my own sometimes.
And I keep both acetone and tuolene in the chemical cabinet. I've been
known to glue indoor/outdoor carpet to the bottoms of my wading boots. I
collect baler twine and newspaper wrappers to use for hopper legs and
zingwings. I buy foam and yarn at the local craft store, sometimes. I make
my own dubbing combs from popsicle sticks and velcro. Am I a bad person who
is putting Dave out of business? I hope not.) cr


"Larry" > wrote in message
. com...
>
>
>
> > Do any of you chemists out there know whether the thinner sold for
Dave's
> > Flexament is in fact toluene, or something else?
>
> Not a chemist, just a bit amazed. This discussion comes up every 6
> months or so, and it's all about folks not wanting to spend 42-3 for a
> bottle of Dave's thinner... criminy sakes, when you think about what WE
> spend for other things related to this hobby/pastime/obsession, just go
> out and spend the money and buy the product that's properly suited to
> the application... Dave's a nice guy, I'm sure he can use the 50 cents
> he'll make from it and he gives a lot back to kids...
>
> Larry
>

[Bryan]

How about dubbing out of dryer lint?

;-)

Bryan

"c.renn" > wrote in message
news:Muzvb.205383$9E1.1099696@attbi_s52...
> OK, you're entitled to your view of the world. And, I certainly try as
best
> I can to support my local shops. But, don't be so egocentric.
>
> Many of us live in the sticks. It takes special planning to get to the
big
> city to buy the specialty items you take for granted. Sometimes, we don't
> plan ahead effectively. At those times, it helps to know a different
route
> to the same destination. It's not that we eschew the packaged solutions.
> We just need it now and can't get to the specialty shop in the specialty
> mall in the specialty suburb of that special city. Sometimes, they're
just
> not open when we need it. So, we punt.
>
> We're not ogres. We just have a different set of problems to solve.
>
> Charley
>
> (Yeah, I know. I live in Corvallis, OR, where we DO have a local flyshop.
> But, Brian and Matt are trying to make a living and can't always stock
> everything I need or be open when I demand. So, I dye my own sometimes.
> And I keep both acetone and tuolene in the chemical cabinet. I've been
> known to glue indoor/outdoor carpet to the bottoms of my wading boots. I
> collect baler twine and newspaper wrappers to use for hopper legs and
> zingwings. I buy foam and yarn at the local craft store, sometimes. I
make
> my own dubbing combs from popsicle sticks and velcro. Am I a bad person
who
> is putting Dave out of business? I hope not.) cr
>
>
> "Larry" > wrote in message
> . com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > Do any of you chemists out there know whether the thinner sold for
> Dave's
> > > Flexament is in fact toluene, or something else?
> >
> > Not a chemist, just a bit amazed. This discussion comes up every 6
> > months or so, and it's all about folks not wanting to spend 42-3 for a
> > bottle of Dave's thinner... criminy sakes, when you think about what WE
> > spend for other things related to this hobby/pastime/obsession, just go
> > out and spend the money and buy the product that's properly suited to
> > the application... Dave's a nice guy, I'm sure he can use the 50 cents
> > he'll make from it and he gives a lot back to kids...
> >
> > Larry
> >
>
>

[c.renn]

Too short and it only comes in a couple of colors; grey and blue. But,
maybe I'm being to precipitous......

Charley

"Bryan" > wrote in message
link.net...
> How about dubbing out of dryer lint?
>
> ;-)
>
> Bryan

[riverman]

"c.renn" > wrote in message
news:Muzvb.205383$9E1.1099696@attbi_s52...
>
> (Yeah, I know. I live in Corvallis, OR..

Corvallis, eh? Do you know my friends Rand and Marilyn? Rand's a
treeclimber..

--riverman