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T
October 14th, 2003, 11:16 AM
Hello,

Myself and my buddy hooked into some "big ones" this past weekend. We
never got anything inshore because our lines kept snapping. Most likely
blacktips or spinner sharks is what we where hooking up with. I have a 15'
Ugly stick with a Abu Garcia Ambassedeur 7000 on it and it's filled with
stren 20lb test. I had an 18" wire leader on but obviously that wasn't
good enough. I want to buy some braided line (probably from bass pro) and
then put a shock leader on the end of that. I'll probably get 50lb test
braided line and also 50lb test mono. My question is how much shock leader
and wire leader should I use and most importantly, will I have trouble
casting if a bloodknot hits the levelwind? What other alternatives do I
have (besides removing the levelwind)? Any tips would be both welcome and
appreciated!

Thanks in advance,
T

Rodney
October 14th, 2003, 10:18 PM
T wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Myself and my buddy hooked into some "big ones" this past weekend. We
> never got anything inshore because our lines kept snapping. Most likely
> blacktips or spinner sharks is what we where hooking up with. I have a 15'
> Ugly stick with a Abu Garcia Ambassedeur 7000 on it and it's filled with
> stren 20lb test. I had an 18" wire leader on but obviously that wasn't
> good enough. I want to buy some braided line (probably from bass pro) and
> then put a shock leader on the end of that. I'll probably get 50lb test
> braided line and also 50lb test mono. My question is how much shock leader
> and wire leader should I use and most importantly, will I have trouble
> casting if a bloodknot hits the levelwind? What other alternatives do I
> have (besides removing the levelwind)? Any tips would be both welcome and
> appreciated!
>
> Thanks in advance,


Ok here is my rig for your conditions

20 to 30# mono 250 to 350 yds
80 to 100# spectra shock leader 12 to 20 feet long
3 OZ weight, and 18 inch steel single strand 100#
5/0 to 9/0 hook

The trick to this rig is the mono to spectra knot, it must fly from my
reel, and through the eyes without dragging, and it must be SUPER strong.

I do this with a double nail knot, here is it tied with "My" knot tool,
but you can use other tools to tie them, mine is just EZ'er
http://ezknot.com/line2line.htm

The weight goes onto the shock leader as a slider, the steel leader
stops it from reaching the hook

I have never had a knot come loose or a shark cut or break me off with
this rig

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Boomerang Fishing Pro. , Straight Up Hooks ,
Straight Up Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights,
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

T
October 14th, 2003, 11:39 PM
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:18:21 -0500, Rodney wrote:

> I have never had a knot come loose or a shark cut or break me off with
> this rig

Thanks for your reply Rodney.

I already wound up my reel prior to reading this reply else I would have
tried the nail not. I ended up leaving about 20 yards of the 20# Stren on
the reel and used a double uni-knot to tie it to about 250yds of 50lb
spider-wire. I then used an Albright knot to attach the spider-wire to
some el-cheapo 50# mono-filiment. I ended up with a very small knot that
went right through the level-wind. I haven't casted it yet but I think
this will work. I want to use a wire leader also. Any suggestions as to
how I can rig one up and how long it needs to be?

Thanks,
T

Rodney
October 15th, 2003, 02:13 AM
T wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:18:21 -0500, Rodney wrote:
>
>
>>I have never had a knot come loose or a shark cut or break me off with
>>this rig
>
>
> Thanks for your reply Rodney.
>
> I already wound up my reel prior to reading this reply else I would have
> tried the nail not. I ended up leaving about 20 yards of the 20# Stren on
> the reel and used a double uni-knot to tie it to about 250yds of 50lb
> spider-wire. I then used an Albright knot to attach the spider-wire to
> some el-cheapo 50# mono-filiment. I ended up with a very small knot that
> went right through the level-wind. I haven't casted it yet but I think
> this will work. I want to use a wire leader also. Any suggestions as to
> how I can rig one up and how long it needs to be?

There is a chance the 50# mono shock leader will get tailed, (cut by the
sharks skin) You don't need this mono as a shock leader if using the
spider wire. Spider Wire is "Spectra" it is much tougher than the mono

I use only an 18 inch single strand steel leader, that I tie my 100#
spectra to. I do this so I can make longer cast with the weight just 18
inches from the hook.

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Boomerang Fishing Pro. , Straight Up Hooks ,
Straight Up Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights,
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

T
October 15th, 2003, 10:54 AM
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:13:00 -0500, Rodney wrote:

> I use only an 18 inch single strand steel leader, that I tie my 100#
> spectra to. I do this so I can make longer cast with the weight just 18
> inches from the hook.

So I can just ditch the shock leader altogether and just add an 18" wire
leader?

What about the stretch of spider wire? does it have any give to it?

Rodney
October 16th, 2003, 01:44 AM
T wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:13:00 -0500, Rodney wrote:
>
>
>>I use only an 18 inch single strand steel leader, that I tie my 100#
>>spectra to. I do this so I can make longer cast with the weight just 18
>>inches from the hook.
>
>
> So I can just ditch the shock leader altogether and just add an 18" wire
> leader?

Yep
>
> What about the stretch of spider wire? does it have any give to it?
>
No

You had better have a rod that bends easy :-), and one rated for 50# line
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Boomerang Fishing Pro. , Straight Up Hooks ,
Straight Up Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights,
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com