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K&B
January 19th, 2004, 06:33 PM
I have been trying to buy the small one of these since they were first
advertised and despite a few orders via the net to good, established
suppliers I have yet to get one, as they say there are huge delays for them.
Does anyone know where there are any to be bought from stock.
In general, I am fed up with carrying a ton of gear and wonder if there are
any other carp / coarse fishers who feel the same and would like to share
their thoughts on how they accomplish this?
Cheers in advance,
Kev

K&B
January 21st, 2004, 01:04 PM
Got one from Wickford Angling.
First class service!
Would still like to hear from others who go carping "lightweight" and how
they achieve it without 100 litre sacs, wheelbarrows and transit vans.
"K&B" > wrote in message
...
> I have been trying to buy the small one of these since they were first
> advertised and despite a few orders via the net to good, established
> suppliers I have yet to get one, as they say there are huge delays for
them.
> Does anyone know where there are any to be bought from stock.
> In general, I am fed up with carrying a ton of gear and wonder if there
are
> any other carp / coarse fishers who feel the same and would like to share
> their thoughts on how they accomplish this?
> Cheers in advance,
> Kev
>
>

Derek.Moody
January 21st, 2004, 05:57 PM
In article >, K&B
> wrote:
> Got one from Wickford Angling.
> First class service!
> Would still like to hear from others who go carping "lightweight" and how
> they achieve it without 100 litre sacs, wheelbarrows and transit vans.

Put a pack of hooks and a few odds and ends in one pocket. Camera (if
required), scale (if required) and poly weigh-bag in another. Then all you
need is rod, reel and landing net. Put your bait supply in the bottom of the
net for carrying - you remove it when landing fish. Then go carping.

The same procedure works for most fish with minor variations.

Cheerio,

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K&B
January 21st, 2004, 10:48 PM
Think the philosophy you suggest is the sort of thing I am looking for, but
why is it so unpopular? Is it just that we are sold all this superfluous
crap by the magazines, or are we so set in our minds about catching and the
bigger the better (hence the gadgets), that a day without being a potential
sopnsored contributor to an angling magazine, i.e no catch, is a failure to
awful to comtemplate?


> Put a pack of hooks and a few odds and ends in one pocket. Camera (if
> required), scale (if required) and poly weigh-bag in another. Then all
you
> need is rod, reel and landing net. Put your bait supply in the bottom of
the
> net for carrying - you remove it when landing fish. Then go carping.
>
> The same procedure works for most fish with minor variations.
>
> Cheerio,
>
> --
> >>
>

Richard
January 22nd, 2004, 12:12 AM
"K&B" > wrote in message
...
> Got one from Wickford Angling.
> First class service!
> Would still like to hear from others who go carping "lightweight" and how
> they achieve it without 100 litre sacs, wheelbarrows and transit vans.
> "K&B" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I have been trying to buy the small one of these since they were first
> > advertised and despite a few orders via the net to good, established
> > suppliers I have yet to get one, as they say there are huge delays for
> them.
> > Does anyone know where there are any to be bought from stock.
> > In general, I am fed up with carrying a ton of gear and wonder if there
> are
> > any other carp / coarse fishers who feel the same and would like to
share
> > their thoughts on how they accomplish this?
> > Cheers in advance,
> > Kev
> >
> >
>
>

Well I suppose it depends a bit on time of year, how long you are fishing
for, how far you have got to carry the gear and how well you want to look
after yourself. That said I fish a 4 acre lake about 1mile from the car park
(nearest swim) probably 1.5miles to my preferred swim(s). The track from the
car park is through woods and up and down quite steep hills (add the up and
downs to the distance quoted). Normally I fish for 2 nights and 3 _full_
days. Obviously I can't take a transit ... but wouldn't need one anyway.
Don't need 100 litre rucksake either .... one 35 litre hoddle suffices +
cool box for food and water. I take a cheap carp barrow ..... easier than
lugging it .... although I guess I could .... and the right amount of bait.
Rest depends more on time of year and weather forecast ... but same barrow
caters for all. Also, the distance and terrain makes you keep 'things' to
the min required. I'll ship from car park to swim even at my ripe old age
with no problems so it can't be that heavy.

I see some guys turn up at other waters for one night and a short day with
more stuff ...... not sure what they do with it all ..... take most of it
home unused I think. I've seen some take more bait home than they have used
.... kgs of the stuff. They don't catch much either ....... makes me chuckle
at times .....

Stay well ....... Richard


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Derek.Moody
January 22nd, 2004, 04:17 AM
In article >, K&B
> wrote:

Re-ordered to convention.

> > Put a pack of hooks and a few odds and ends in one pocket. Camera (if
> > required), scale (if required) and poly weigh-bag in another. Then all
> you
> > need is rod, reel and landing net. Put your bait supply in the bottom of
> the
> > net for carrying - you remove it when landing fish. Then go carping.
> >
> > The same procedure works for most fish with minor variations.

> Think the philosophy you suggest is the sort of thing I am looking for, but
> why is it so unpopular? Is it just that we are sold all this superfluous
> crap by the magazines, or are we so set in our minds about catching and the
> bigger the better (hence the gadgets), that a day without being a potential
> sopnsored contributor to an angling magazine, i.e no catch, is a failure to
> awful to comtemplate?

You will almost certainly catch more with the minimal kit.

Fishing tackle is designed to catch anglers - not fish.
Mags make most of their money from advertisers.

Ask any tackle-shop owner: he sells very little gear to successful anglers;
he makes his money out of those who don't catch much.

Especially nowadays when people are cash-rich but time-poor and so few have
any real contact with the countryside there is a tendency to try to buy
shortcuts to success, hence the gadgets. Paradoxically the most successful
anglers tend to spend -less- time at the water than those who do poorly.

[ Sea fishing example, but it makes the point ]
I have been on Portland when the Chesil Beach was lined with anglers after
cod. In the pub two of the best local anglers were playing darts until
about halfway through the evening when they slipped out. They returned in
time for a last pint before closing with a couple of cod each, one over
15lb. Later we watched dozens of anglers trudge back to the car park,
only two or three of them had any fish and none had more than one.

You take one set of gear and so you concentrate on just that. It's light
enough to move around after the fish. If it doesn't work you can move to
another water, nip home for a bite to eat or not even bother to come out
until the conditions are right. Setting up is so quick that you are fishing
as soon as you hit the water and no time is wasted.

I'm lucky enough to live withing walking distance of a decent river with a
stock of wild brown trout. In season I keep a rod set up. If I decide I
want a couple of fish for supper I can pick my moment to go out, catch my
brace and be back in under an hour, sometimes under 20 minutes. I probably
fish that water less than 24 hours in a year but it wouldn't be fair to fish
it more.

As it happens I have to go farther to coarse fish than to the sea or trout
waters. In consequence I tend to take more gear with me when I do but I note
that when I keep it lean I catch more so as a halfway measure we've taken to
leaving as much as possible in the car. Risky in some places though.

Try it yourself. Go very light and aim to fish short sessions, you can do
two or three in a day if you like, different venues even. If you find a
good fish that won't take straight away drop in a few baits and leave it
till later, or next time. When you come back the fish will be relaxed.
You'll approach knowing where it is and so are less likely to spook it and
you know what baits it's used to. If you had stayed there it's likely the
fish would not have had a chance to relax. Once you have a pattern
established you can cover half a dozen likely prospects in three hours or
so.

Want to catch dace or roach rather than carp? Use the same approach but
this time it's shoals you are returning to rather than individual fish.

You asked 'why is it so unpopular?' I don't know. It's popular with me.

Cheerio,

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Dominic Lloyd
January 22nd, 2004, 09:11 PM
excellent post, mate. inspirational.

Richard
January 23rd, 2004, 01:33 AM
"Derek.Moody" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, K&B
> > wrote:
>
> Re-ordered to convention.
>
> > > Put a pack of hooks and a few odds and ends in one pocket. Camera (if
> > > required), scale (if required) and poly weigh-bag in another. Then
all
> > you
> > > need is rod, reel and landing net. Put your bait supply in the bottom
of
> > the
> > > net for carrying - you remove it when landing fish. Then go carping.
> > >
> > > The same procedure works for most fish with minor variations.
>
> > Think the philosophy you suggest is the sort of thing I am looking for,
but
> > why is it so unpopular? Is it just that we are sold all this superfluous
> > crap by the magazines, or are we so set in our minds about catching and
the
> > bigger the better (hence the gadgets), that a day without being a
potential
> > sopnsored contributor to an angling magazine, i.e no catch, is a failure
to
> > awful to comtemplate?
>
> You will almost certainly catch more with the minimal kit.
>
> Fishing tackle is designed to catch anglers - not fish.
> Mags make most of their money from advertisers.
>
> Ask any tackle-shop owner: he sells very little gear to successful
anglers;
> he makes his money out of those who don't catch much.
>
> Especially nowadays when people are cash-rich but time-poor and so few
have
> any real contact with the countryside there is a tendency to try to buy
> shortcuts to success, hence the gadgets. Paradoxically the most
successful
> anglers tend to spend -less- time at the water than those who do poorly.
>
> [ Sea fishing example, but it makes the point ]
> I have been on Portland when the Chesil Beach was lined with anglers
after
> cod. In the pub two of the best local anglers were playing darts until
> about halfway through the evening when they slipped out. They returned
in
> time for a last pint before closing with a couple of cod each, one over
> 15lb. Later we watched dozens of anglers trudge back to the car park,
> only two or three of them had any fish and none had more than one.
>
> You take one set of gear and so you concentrate on just that. It's light
> enough to move around after the fish. If it doesn't work you can move to
> another water, nip home for a bite to eat or not even bother to come out
> until the conditions are right. Setting up is so quick that you are
fishing
> as soon as you hit the water and no time is wasted.
>
> I'm lucky enough to live withing walking distance of a decent river with a
> stock of wild brown trout. In season I keep a rod set up. If I decide I
> want a couple of fish for supper I can pick my moment to go out, catch my
> brace and be back in under an hour, sometimes under 20 minutes. I
probably
> fish that water less than 24 hours in a year but it wouldn't be fair to
fish
> it more.
>
> As it happens I have to go farther to coarse fish than to the sea or trout
> waters. In consequence I tend to take more gear with me when I do but I
note
> that when I keep it lean I catch more so as a halfway measure we've taken
to
> leaving as much as possible in the car. Risky in some places though.
>
> Try it yourself. Go very light and aim to fish short sessions, you can do
> two or three in a day if you like, different venues even. If you find a
> good fish that won't take straight away drop in a few baits and leave it
> till later, or next time. When you come back the fish will be relaxed.
> You'll approach knowing where it is and so are less likely to spook it and
> you know what baits it's used to. If you had stayed there it's likely the
> fish would not have had a chance to relax. Once you have a pattern
> established you can cover half a dozen likely prospects in three hours or
> so.
>
> Want to catch dace or roach rather than carp? Use the same approach but
> this time it's shoals you are returning to rather than individual fish.
>
> You asked 'why is it so unpopular?' I don't know. It's popular with me.
>
> Cheerio,
>
> --
> >>
>

Definately an advocate of the short session. Just need made up rod, few rig
replacements (just n case) landing net and bait (at max). Best this year was
4pm - 9pm targetting carp .... result 7 carp and 2 tench (more carp than
some get all year) ...... (cockles and corn) ....... Richard


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Frank McLardy
January 24th, 2004, 02:30 AM
I've got two buddies who've known his wife, if you understand my meaning....

Derek.Moody
January 24th, 2004, 01:38 PM
In article >, Frank McLardy
> wrote:
> I've got two buddies who've known his wife, if you understand my meaning....

I understand completely. You crossposted a non sequitor remark in an
attempt to start a flame. You clearly have too much time on your hands.
Why not go fishing?

FU narrowed.

Cheerio,

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SEAANGLING
January 24th, 2004, 06:22 PM
>I understand completely. You crossposted a non sequitor remark in an
>attempt to start a flame. You clearly have too much time on your hands.
>Why not go fishing?

Well said that man.

Richard
January 24th, 2004, 10:16 PM
"SEAANGLING" > wrote in message
...
> >I understand completely. You crossposted a non sequitor remark in an
> >attempt to start a flame. You clearly have too much time on your hands.
> >Why not go fishing?
>
> Well said that man.

Spotted this and ditto m8 ...... Richard


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