Can one rod cover all lure requirements?

[spamless]

Dear all,

I am just getting into lure fishing for Pike and find the range of rods
and lures bewildering. Being a firm believer in the adage "tackle
catches Anglers - not fish", I would appreciate some assistance with the
following;

There is a massive range of lure weights, most pike type lures I have
seen range from 1 to 6 Ozs, my question is "can one rod realistically be
used to cover this whole range".

I have seen rods advertised that claim to cover 1 to 6 Oz, does anybody
have any experience of these. I cannot see that a rod with the backbone
to haul a 140 grams lure isn't too stiff to be of any use when using a
28 grams lure. This is based on my fly fishing experience where you
cannot correctly cast a five weight line with a ten weight rod and vice
versa.

I cannot afford to buy multiple rods but it seems to me that two rods
would give the best versatility and would ensure that for the smaller
lures I am not trying to cast them with a broom handle.

My idea is to get say a 20 to 60 grams long rod (9 foot) and a 60 to 110
grams short rod (6 to 7 foot).

Most fishing would be river / reservoir from bank or boat.

Does this sound sensible or have a missed something?

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[Ergo]

spamless wrote:
> Dear all,
>
<snip>
> I cannot afford to buy multiple rods but it seems to me that two rods
> would give the best versatility and would ensure that for the smaller
> lures I am not trying to cast them with a broom handle.
>
> My idea is to get say a 20 to 60 grams long rod (9 foot) and a 60 to
> 110 grams short rod (6 to 7 foot).
>
> Most fishing would be river / reservoir from bank or boat.
>
> Does this sound sensible or have a missed something?


A short answer to your question IMHO is NO! Try fishing for small fish. You
Need sensitivity. If you try and catch a Wels, it will rip your arms off
without some give. Decide what your target species is going to be, and
purchase something suitable. Even try a Margin Pole. You can do carp, and
tiddlers, depending on the elastic. That could be a cheaper option.


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[Phil L]

Ergo wrote:
: spamless wrote:
:: Dear all,
::
: <snip>
:: I cannot afford to buy multiple rods but it seems to me that two rods
:: would give the best versatility and would ensure that for the smaller
:: lures I am not trying to cast them with a broom handle.
::
:: My idea is to get say a 20 to 60 grams long rod (9 foot) and a 60 to
:: 110 grams short rod (6 to 7 foot).
::
:: Most fishing would be river / reservoir from bank or boat.
::
:: Does this sound sensible or have a missed something?
:
:
: A short answer to your question IMHO is NO! Try fishing for small
: fish. You Need sensitivity. If you try and catch a Wels, it will rip
: your arms off without some give. Decide what your target species is
: going to be, and purchase something suitable. Even try a Margin Pole.
: You can do carp, and tiddlers, depending on the elastic. That could
: be a cheaper option.

He's a pike angler !
:)

[Phil L]

spamless wrote:
: Dear all,
:
: I am just getting into lure fishing for Pike and find the range of
: rods and lures bewildering. Being a firm believer in the adage "tackle
: catches Anglers - not fish", I would appreciate some assistance with
: the following;
:
: There is a massive range of lure weights, most pike type lures I have
: seen range from 1 to 6 Ozs, my question is "can one rod realistically
: be used to cover this whole range".

Then you havent been looking hard enough, I have dozens of pike lures and
the heaviest is less than an ounce.


: I have seen rods advertised that claim to cover 1 to 6 Oz, does
: anybody have any experience of these. I cannot see that a rod with
: the backbone to haul a 140 grams lure isn't too stiff to be of any
: use when using a 28 grams lure. This is based on my fly fishing
: experience where you cannot correctly cast a five weight line with a
: ten weight rod and vice versa.

Pike fishing is nothing at all like fly fishing.
You dont need to be able to cast a six ounce weight ! - I can easily cast a
one ounce spinner a hundred yards using a carp rod, which is plenty far
enough IMV.
Also pike will take dead bait, and also plugs, which are very light and you
need something for this type of angling more than the broom handles required
to launch half a pound to the opposite bank.
:
: I cannot afford to buy multiple rods but it seems to me that two rods
: would give the best versatility and would ensure that for the smaller
: lures I am not trying to cast them with a broom handle.
:
: My idea is to get say a 20 to 60 grams long rod (9 foot) and a 60 to
: 110 grams short rod (6 to 7 foot).
:
: Most fishing would be river / reservoir from bank or boat.
:
: Does this sound sensible or have a missed something?

Yes, if your fishing from a boat, you dont need to cast at all.
If you've never fished for pike before, get yourself a cheap carp rod with a
2.5lb test curve, this will easily cast up to 2oz lures which is ample
unless you're hoping to catch dolphins!

[Goldeneye]

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Sounds like some interesting advice below!!!

The simple answer is NO!! One rod will not do all of these things - But you
do not want one that will - at least not yet.

I would suggest that you go with a short rod, assuming that you can get
close to the margins at the venues you will be fishing. A short rod is far
easier than a longer rod for holding all day (ie a 6' rod). Ideally one
that will handle lures up to 1 oz. This can then be combined with a
smallish fixed spool reel and 15lb mono, or 25lb braid (reccomended). I
would strongly advise against getting a carp rod as you will end up with
tired shoulders and a bad back if you use that for a day!

If you want to start using the bigger jerkbaits/crankbaits, you will need to
get a specialist rod (again normally about 6'), and a multiplier reel.
These take some getting used to as you have to impart the action into the
lure - I would not reccomend them for a beginner to lure fishing.

For some articles about fishing, a friend of mine has a site with some
sections about lure fishing http://www.elyroswell.co.uk/ there is a pic of
me with a 13lb fish caught on a creek chub pikie on there too!

It is also worth looking at http://www.harrisangling.co.uk as they
certainly had some really good rods on a genuine half price offer until
recently (they may still, I have not looked lately). A warning though -
Their half price bargains of the day are addictive!

If you want any more info let me know.

Good luck - It is good fun catching fish on lures!

...
> spamless wrote:
> : Dear all,
> :
> : I am just getting into lure fishing for Pike and find the range of
> : rods and lures bewildering. Being a firm believer in the adage "tackle
> : catches Anglers - not fish", I would appreciate some assistance with
> : the following;
> :
> : There is a massive range of lure weights, most pike type lures I have
> : seen range from 1 to 6 Ozs, my question is "can one rod realistically
> : be used to cover this whole range".
>
> Then you havent been looking hard enough, I have dozens of pike lures and
> the heaviest is less than an ounce.
>
>
> : I have seen rods advertised that claim to cover 1 to 6 Oz, does
> : anybody have any experience of these. I cannot see that a rod with
> : the backbone to haul a 140 grams lure isn't too stiff to be of any
> : use when using a 28 grams lure. This is based on my fly fishing
> : experience where you cannot correctly cast a five weight line with a
> : ten weight rod and vice versa.
>
> Pike fishing is nothing at all like fly fishing.
> You dont need to be able to cast a six ounce weight ! - I can easily cast
a
> one ounce spinner a hundred yards using a carp rod, which is plenty far
> enough IMV.
> Also pike will take dead bait, and also plugs, which are very light and
you
> need something for this type of angling more than the broom handles
required
> to launch half a pound to the opposite bank.
> :
> : I cannot afford to buy multiple rods but it seems to me that two rods
> : would give the best versatility and would ensure that for the smaller
> : lures I am not trying to cast them with a broom handle.
> :
> : My idea is to get say a 20 to 60 grams long rod (9 foot) and a 60 to
> : 110 grams short rod (6 to 7 foot).
> :
> : Most fishing would be river / reservoir from bank or boat.
> :
> : Does this sound sensible or have a missed something?
>
> Yes, if your fishing from a boat, you dont need to cast at all.
> If you've never fished for pike before, get yourself a cheap carp rod with
a
> 2.5lb test curve, this will easily cast up to 2oz lures which is ample
> unless you're hoping to catch dolphins!
>
>

[Derek.Moody]

In article >, Goldeneye
> wrote:

Re-ordered to convention and heavily snipped:

> ...
> > spamless wrote:

> > : There is a massive range of lure weights, most pike type lures I have
> > : seen range from 1 to 6 Ozs, my question is "can one rod realistically
> > : be used to cover this whole range".
> >
> > Then you havent been looking hard enough, I have dozens of pike lures and
> > the heaviest is less than an ounce.

Which isn't a lot of use for spinning beneath heavy water. 6oz is a bit OT
for out and out lures but a deadbait on a sink and draw mount might weigh
nearer a pound.

> > : I have seen rods advertised that claim to cover 1 to 6 Oz, does
> > : anybody have any experience of these. I cannot see that a rod with
> > : the backbone to haul a 140 grams lure isn't too stiff to be of any
> > : use when using a 28 grams lure. This is based on my fly fishing
> > : experience where you cannot correctly cast a five weight line with a
> > : ten weight rod and vice versa.

And you can cast fluffy lures to pike on a fly rod too.

Don't imagine you are in the distance casting business. Even a carp rod
will lob a half-pound deadbait 20 or so yards. You rarely need to cast
farther and if you do you'll have trouble setting the hooks.

> > Pike fishing is nothing at all like fly fishing.
> > You dont need to be able to cast a six ounce weight ! - I can easily cast
> a
> > one ounce spinner a hundred yards using a carp rod, which is plenty far
> > enough IMV.

Far too much. Accurate casting at 20 yards is more sense than 100 yard
blasts.

> > : My idea is to get say a 20 to 60 grams long rod (9 foot) and a 60 to
> > : 110 grams short rod (6 to 7 foot).
> > : Most fishing would be river / reservoir from bank or boat.

What are the banks like? These might be OK from a boat or a bare bank but
for any natural bank with overhanging cover you'll need a bit more length.
A cheap, second hand last-year's deeesigner-special cap rod of about 11 - 12
feet is a good start. You might want to shorten the butt with a hacksaw,
take care to cover the raw end somehow..

> close to the margins at the venues you will be fishing. A short rod is far
> easier than a longer rod for holding all day (ie a 6' rod). Ideally one
> that will handle lures up to 1 oz. This can then be combined with a
> smallish fixed spool reel and 15lb mono, or 25lb braid (reccomended). I
> would strongly advise against getting a carp rod as you will end up with
> tired shoulders and a bad back if you use that for a day!

Never noticed it. On a lot of the banks I fish you will be continually
tangled and frustrated with a short rod. With a long rod you can often lob
a plug into a tight corner where a short one would need a full cast and be
less accurate.

> Good luck - It is good fun catching fish on lures!

Now this I can agree with :-)

Cheerio,

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>>

[Derek.Moody]

In article >, Ergo
> wrote:
> spamless wrote:

> > would give the best versatility and would ensure that for the smaller
> > lures I am not trying to cast them with a broom handle.

> purchase something suitable. Even try a Margin Pole. You can do carp, and
> tiddlers, depending on the elastic. That could be a cheaper option.

That is both stupid and dangerous.

Elastic will not pull heavy lure hooks home properly so you stay in contact
only until the pike opens its jaws at which time the rubber powers the lure
straight back at you complete with all its treble hooks. Worse: even if it
misses your contact with a heavy fish may have attracted spectators to
stand behind you.

Cheerio,

--
>>

[Ergo]

Derek.Moody wrote:
> In article >, Ergo
> > wrote:
>> spamless wrote:
>
>>> would give the best versatility and would ensure that for the
>>> smaller lures I am not trying to cast them with a broom handle.
>
>> purchase something suitable. Even try a Margin Pole. You can do
>> carp, and tiddlers, depending on the elastic. That could be a
>> cheaper option.
>
> That is both stupid and dangerous.
>
> Elastic will not pull heavy lure hooks home properly so you stay in
> contact only until the pike opens its jaws at which time the rubber
> powers the lure straight back at you complete with all its treble
> hooks. Worse: even if it misses your contact with a heavy fish may
> have attracted spectators to stand behind you.
>
> Cheerio,
>
>>>

He started it!!!! lol


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[Alex]

"spamless" > wrote in message
...
>
> Dear all,
>
> I am just getting into lure fishing for Pike and find the range of rods
> and lures bewildering.
>> I cannot afford to buy multiple rods but it seems to me that two rods
> would give the best versatility and would ensure that for the smaller
> lures I am not trying to cast them with a broom handle.
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Take a look at the Ugly sticks IMHO they are great rods nice and tippy and
and very durable,
The "Ugly stick Lite spin" will cover most light spinning, although a bit
short at 9ft I use mine for float fishing for mullet.
The heavier "Ugly stick Deluxe spin" 8`6 will cover the heavier spinning.
This rod has quality rings fitted.

Take a look!
http://www.nimpopo.com/acatalog/lure_fishing_tackle_6.htm