Re: The Offer

[Vic Sagerquist]

One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach The Rev Optional:

>
>>My life was improved by atheism.
>
>Yeah! You can drink all day long and not feel guilty?
>
>
>> Since I no longer fear an invisible man
>>watching me, judging my every move, I can freely make decisions for the
>>better.
>
>Your better? You don't control ****, I bet your life is a shambles.

Do you control ****? What an outstanding accomplishment! Your parents
must be very proud.

>
>
>> My conscious is clear, knowing I am not a lowly sinner, worthy of
>>nothing more than groveling to some invisible fairy, and it is apparent
>>in my manner of conduct, as in my self-esteem.
>
>
>
>
>
>> Throwing the god-monkey off my
>>shoulders was the best thing I ever did.
>
>This says that you once believed, What happened? God didn't do it your
>way?
>

Religion doesn't make any sense. I saw that at age seven. An agnostic and
deist (somewhat), it still took me about 30 years to realize that my belief
in afterlife was nothing more than wishful thinking.


--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
______________

Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.

--Timothy Jones

[Vic Sagerquist]

One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach The Rev Optional:

>On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 13:48:51 -0700, "M C" > wrote:
>
>>My life has been much better since embracing atheism. I grew up with the
>>nutty superstitions of christianity. It was a great relief to remove that
>>insanity from my life.
>>
>So now you can run amuck and have no conscience.
>

What makes you think so? Is your trust of humankind that weak? Do you
really need a book of morality written thousands of years ago to keep you
from killing and raping? Questionable morality at that, too...


--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
______________

Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.

--Timothy Jones

[raven1]

On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 18:45:25 GMT, The Rev Optional
> wrote:

>On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 13:48:51 -0700, "M C" > wrote:
>
>>My life has been much better since embracing atheism. I grew up with the
>>nutty superstitions of christianity. It was a great relief to remove that
>>insanity from my life.
>>
>So now you can run amuck and have no conscience.

So what you're saying is that *you* would do the same if you stopped
believing in a deity? That is certainly the underlying implication.
There's a word for such a person: sociopath.

[Rafeek]

On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 18:45:25 GMT, The Rev Optional
> wrote:

>On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 13:48:51 -0700, "M C" > wrote:
>
>>My life has been much better since embracing atheism. I grew up with the
>>nutty superstitions of christianity. It was a great relief to remove that
>>insanity from my life.

>So now you can run amuck and have no conscience.

I'm not sure what they're telling you in sunday school about
non-christians, but not all of us are raving anarchists.

[Vic Sagerquist]

One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach The Rev Optional:

>www.dictionary.com

Since you are either too lazy or stupid to copy and paste a definition for
discussion, here it is.

1. The state, quality, manner, or fact of being spiritual.
2. The clergy.
3. Something, such as property or revenue, that belongs to the church or to
a cleric. Often used in the plural.

#1 is as informative as defining atheism as the quality, manner, or fact of
being an atheist.

#2 is incomplete.

#3 is wrong.

Merriam-Webster adds:
"sensitivity or attachment to religious values"

Still uninformative.

Let's try spiritual:

Here's an interesting twist. "of or relating to supernatural beings or
phenomena".

So spirituality seems to only exist within the clergy or church or dogma.
With the exception of references to material values and (of course) money,
I see no connection to reality here. Do you?

--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
______________

Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.

--Timothy Jones

[Steve Knight]

On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 18:45:25 GMT, The Rev Optional
> wrote:

>On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 13:48:51 -0700, "M C" > wrote:
>
>>My life has been much better since embracing atheism. I grew up with the
>>nutty superstitions of christianity. It was a great relief to remove that
>>insanity from my life.
>>
>So now you can run amuck and have no conscience.

Hey, stupid, people have been acting socially way before your idiot
superstition.

And if you bother to look at reality, the religious commit more
crimes of violence, hate, bigotry and terrorism than non-believers.
We're not dumb enough to do something for delusional reasons or expect
to be rewarded for our actions.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly

[Walking on Glass]

And it came to pass that The Rev Optional > did
write in alt.atheism,
s.com:

> On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 13:48:51 -0700, "M C" > wrote:
>
>>My life has been much better since embracing atheism. I grew up with
>>the nutty superstitions of christianity. It was a great relief to
>>remove that insanity from my life.
>>
> So now you can run amuck and have no conscience.

Look at the government statistics of religious affliations of prisoners:

http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/june_july2000/prisons.html

Atheists are *highly* under-represented in prisons (0.091% percent of
prison population vs 10-15% of population as a whole). I think that
shows who is "running amuck".

--
Walking on Glass (remove NOSPAM to email me)
AA #2053 Zymurgist #12
"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or
you can inoculate...Try science"
Carl Sagan - "The Demon-Haunted World"

[John Baker]

"The Rev Optional" > wrote in message
s.com...
> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 16:48:51 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:12:00 -0700,
> >(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
> >
> >Why are so many of you so in-your-face both stupid and nasty at the
> >same time?
>
> Insults? They must have hit a nerve.

Damn right. We're sick and tired of you brain-dead Christer morons invading
our groups.

>
> Ya top posting twit.

God-bothering imbecile.

[Kate]

On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 18:45:25 GMT, The Rev Optional
> wrote:

>On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 13:48:51 -0700, "M C" > wrote:
>
>>My life has been much better since embracing atheism. I grew up with the
>>nutty superstitions of christianity. It was a great relief to remove that
>>insanity from my life.
>>
>So now you can run amuck and have no conscience.

No, atheists have consciences - that's why they disapprove of
religion. If you need a book to tell you what to do and what not to
do, then you must not have a conscience. How silly of you.

[Tony E]

On 5 Apr 2004 01:06:18 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:

>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 18:45:25 GMT, The Rev Optional
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 13:48:51 -0700, "M C" > wrote:
>>
>>>My life has been much better since embracing atheism. I grew up with the
>>>nutty superstitions of christianity. It was a great relief to remove that
>>>insanity from my life.
>>>
>>So now you can run amuck and have no conscience.
>
>No, atheists have consciences - that's why they disapprove of
>religion. If you need a book to tell you what to do and what not to
>do, then you must not have a conscience. How silly of you.

You don't read?

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 06:26:38 -0600, Tony E >
wrote:

>On 5 Apr 2004 01:06:18 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 18:45:25 GMT, The Rev Optional
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 13:48:51 -0700, "M C" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>My life has been much better since embracing atheism. I grew up with the
>>>>nutty superstitions of christianity. It was a great relief to remove that
>>>>insanity from my life.
>>>>
>>>So now you can run amuck and have no conscience.
>>
>>No, atheists have consciences - that's why they disapprove of
>>religion. If you need a book to tell you what to do and what not to
>>do, then you must not have a conscience. How silly of you.
>
>You don't read?

What a stupid non-sequitur.

[Xomicron]

"John Baker" > wrote in
:

> "The Rev Optional" > wrote in message
> s.com...
>
>> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 16:48:51 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:12:00 -0700,
>>> (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
>>>
>>> Why are so many of you so in-your-face both stupid and nasty at the
>>> same time?
>>
>> Insults? They must have hit a nerve.
>
> Damn right. We're sick and tired of you brain-dead Christer morons
> invading our groups.

*Your* groups?

>> Ya top posting twit.
>
> God-bothering imbecile.

Godless bounded thinker.

[PB]

How is this fishing related?
plonk
"Tony E" > wrote in message
...
> On 5 Apr 2004 01:06:18 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 18:45:25 GMT, The Rev Optional
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 13:48:51 -0700, "M C" > wrote:
> >>
> >>>My life has been much better since embracing atheism. I grew up with
the
> >>>nutty superstitions of christianity. It was a great relief to remove
that
> >>>insanity from my life.
> >>>
> >>So now you can run amuck and have no conscience.
> >
> >No, atheists have consciences - that's why they disapprove of
> >religion. If you need a book to tell you what to do and what not to
> >do, then you must not have a conscience. How silly of you.
>
> You don't read?