OT Those Phlegmatic Canuckistanis

[Ken Fortenberry]

Of special interest to Canadians, Molly Ivin's column this
week is a good one.

http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=miv

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Ken Fortenberry

[Peter Charles]

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:10:55 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
> wrote:

>Of special interest to Canadians, Molly Ivin's column this
>week is a good one.
>
>http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=miv

Cute -- I would've loved to have read her explanations to Albertans as
to why Dubya stands a decent chance at a second term.

Peter

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[Peter Charles]

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:10:55 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
> wrote:

>Of special interest to Canadians, Molly Ivin's column this
>week is a good one.
>
>http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=miv

Cute -- I would've loved to have read her explanations to Albertans as
to why Dubya stands a decent chance at a second term.

Peter

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[Peter Charles]

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:10:55 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
> wrote:

>Of special interest to Canadians, Molly Ivin's column this
>week is a good one.
>
>http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=miv

Cute -- I would've loved to have read her explanations to Albertans as
to why Dubya stands a decent chance at a second term.

Peter

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[Tim Lysyk]

Peter Charles wrote:
>
> Cute -- I would've loved to have read her explanations to Albertans as
> to why Dubya stands a decent chance at a second term.
>
> Peter
>
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>
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Whatever they were, they were probably about as convincing as the
explanations we heard as to why Martin deserved any chance at a second term.

Tim Lysyk

Who isn't bitter, but was hoping the marijuana party would have a better
showing.

[Peter Charles]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:34:25 GMT, Tim Lysyk
> wrote:

>
>Peter Charles wrote:
>>
>> Cute -- I would've loved to have read her explanations to Albertans as
>> to why Dubya stands a decent chance at a second term.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> turn mailhot into hotmail to reply
>>
>> Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
>
>Whatever they were, they were probably about as convincing as the
>explanations we heard as to why Martin deserved any chance at a second term.
>
>Tim Lysyk
>
>Who isn't bitter, but was hoping the marijuana party would have a better
>showing.

Had the Conservatives offered something more than warmed-over Mike
Harris style neo-con policies, Martin would not have had a second
chance. Harper and the tall foreheads in the Conservatives have to
realize that the polices that sell in Alberta won't sell anywhere
else, least of all in Ontario. Failing that, voters will always opt
for the Liberals on the basis of, "better the devil you know." By
cosing up to the neo-con, social dinosaur, hard right of the old
Reform Party, the Conservatives lost a significant proportion of the
old PC vote and that did them in. Never has a Liberal government been
this vulnerable on so many fronts and the Conservatives blew it by
having a vacuum where their policy platform was supposed to be. The
Liberals filled the vacuum with their negative ads, painting Harper as
a man who sell the country out. When the voter went behind the screen,
they couldn't bring themselves to pull the trigger on Martin, and
given what Harper and his gang offered us (or failed to offer us), you
can't blame them.

BTW, his buddy Ralph did a nice job of shooting him in the back.



Peter

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[Peter Charles]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:34:25 GMT, Tim Lysyk
> wrote:

>
>Peter Charles wrote:
>>
>> Cute -- I would've loved to have read her explanations to Albertans as
>> to why Dubya stands a decent chance at a second term.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> turn mailhot into hotmail to reply
>>
>> Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
>
>Whatever they were, they were probably about as convincing as the
>explanations we heard as to why Martin deserved any chance at a second term.
>
>Tim Lysyk
>
>Who isn't bitter, but was hoping the marijuana party would have a better
>showing.

Had the Conservatives offered something more than warmed-over Mike
Harris style neo-con policies, Martin would not have had a second
chance. Harper and the tall foreheads in the Conservatives have to
realize that the polices that sell in Alberta won't sell anywhere
else, least of all in Ontario. Failing that, voters will always opt
for the Liberals on the basis of, "better the devil you know." By
cosing up to the neo-con, social dinosaur, hard right of the old
Reform Party, the Conservatives lost a significant proportion of the
old PC vote and that did them in. Never has a Liberal government been
this vulnerable on so many fronts and the Conservatives blew it by
having a vacuum where their policy platform was supposed to be. The
Liberals filled the vacuum with their negative ads, painting Harper as
a man who sell the country out. When the voter went behind the screen,
they couldn't bring themselves to pull the trigger on Martin, and
given what Harper and his gang offered us (or failed to offer us), you
can't blame them.

BTW, his buddy Ralph did a nice job of shooting him in the back.



Peter

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[Tim Lysyk]

Peter Charles wrote:
> else, least of all in Ontario. Failing that, voters will always opt
> for the Liberals on the basis of, "better the devil you know."

Regardless, they were both devils. I am no friend of the
conservative/reform group, and would never vote for them, but I have to
say that I absoultely hate Paul Martin and his liberals. It is still
unfathomable to me that he could win after the levels of corruption,
greed, and patronage that plagued his and his predecessor's governments.

> cosing up to the neo-con, social dinosaur, hard right of the old
> Reform Party, the Conservatives lost a significant proportion of the
> old PC vote and that did them in. Never has a Liberal government been
> this vulnerable on so many fronts and the Conservatives blew it by
> having a vacuum where their policy platform was supposed to be. The
> Liberals filled the vacuum with their negative ads, painting Harper as
> a man who sell the country out. When the voter went behind the screen,
> they couldn't bring themselves to pull the trigger on Martin, and
> given what Harper and his gang offered us (or failed to offer us), you
> can't blame them.

See above
>
> BTW, his buddy Ralph did a nice job of shooting him in the back.
>
Be nice to Ralph. He is the fisherman's friend after all. His government
is responsible for the widespead adoption of catch and relewase
angling on our east slope cutthroat streams, and we now have province
wide barbless hooks regulations cause Raplh went fishing at a lodge that
required barbless hooks.

[Peter Charles]

Tim Lysyk > wrote in message news:<Gy7Tc.12604$S55.2912@clgrps12>...
> >
> > BTW, his buddy Ralph did a nice job of shooting him in the back.
> >
> Be nice to Ralph. He is the fisherman's friend after all. His government
> is responsible for the widespead adoption of catch and relewase
> angling on our east slope cutthroat streams, and we now have province
> wide barbless hooks regulations cause Raplh went fishing at a lodge that
> required barbless hooks.


Did he come up with his health care policy via the same method?

Peter

[Peter Charles]

Tim Lysyk > wrote in message news:<Gy7Tc.12604$S55.2912@clgrps12>...
> >
> > BTW, his buddy Ralph did a nice job of shooting him in the back.
> >
> Be nice to Ralph. He is the fisherman's friend after all. His government
> is responsible for the widespead adoption of catch and relewase
> angling on our east slope cutthroat streams, and we now have province
> wide barbless hooks regulations cause Raplh went fishing at a lodge that
> required barbless hooks.


Did he come up with his health care policy via the same method?

Peter

[Peter Charles]

Tim Lysyk > wrote in message news:<Gy7Tc.12604$S55.2912@clgrps12>...
> >
> > BTW, his buddy Ralph did a nice job of shooting him in the back.
> >
> Be nice to Ralph. He is the fisherman's friend after all. His government
> is responsible for the widespead adoption of catch and relewase
> angling on our east slope cutthroat streams, and we now have province
> wide barbless hooks regulations cause Raplh went fishing at a lodge that
> required barbless hooks.


Did he come up with his health care policy via the same method?

Peter

[Tim Lysyk]

Peter Charles wrote:
>
> Did he come up with his health care policy via the same method?
>
> Peter

No, I think that started when he was still drinking.

Tim

[Tim Lysyk]

Peter Charles wrote:
>
> Did he come up with his health care policy via the same method?
>
> Peter

No, I think that started when he was still drinking.

Tim

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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:15:02 GMT, Tim Lysyk
> wrote:


>Be nice to Ralph. He is the fisherman's friend after all. His government
>is responsible for the widespead adoption of catch and relewase angling

"relewase angling"...wasn't this the method pioneered by Haile
Selassie/Ras Tafari...using foating lines, and with tolling motors on
whate water boats, IIRC...

TC,
R

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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:15:02 GMT, Tim Lysyk
> wrote:


>Be nice to Ralph. He is the fisherman's friend after all. His government
>is responsible for the widespead adoption of catch and relewase angling

"relewase angling"...wasn't this the method pioneered by Haile
Selassie/Ras Tafari...using foating lines, and with tolling motors on
whate water boats, IIRC...

TC,
R

[Conan the Librarian]

Tim Lysyk wrote:

> Peter Charles wrote:
>
>>
>> Did he come up with his health care policy via the same method?
>>
>> Peter
>
>
> No, I think that started when he was still drinking.

When he *was* drinking? When was he *not* drinking?

BTW, sorry I didn't get a chance to get together with you on my
trip. Unfortunately, I basically went fishing on very short notice in
between sightseeing and visits with SWMBO's family and friends. Still,
it was great to get a taste of the Crow. I can see how you'd want to
spend as much time there as possible.

And now that SWMBO is a grandmom (grandmom?!!) with a grandkid in
Lethbridge, hopefully we'll be heading up there on a regular basis.


Chuck Vance

[Conan the Librarian]

Tim Lysyk wrote:

> Peter Charles wrote:
>
>>
>> Did he come up with his health care policy via the same method?
>>
>> Peter
>
>
> No, I think that started when he was still drinking.

When he *was* drinking? When was he *not* drinking?

BTW, sorry I didn't get a chance to get together with you on my
trip. Unfortunately, I basically went fishing on very short notice in
between sightseeing and visits with SWMBO's family and friends. Still,
it was great to get a taste of the Crow. I can see how you'd want to
spend as much time there as possible.

And now that SWMBO is a grandmom (grandmom?!!) with a grandkid in
Lethbridge, hopefully we'll be heading up there on a regular basis.


Chuck Vance

[Conan the Librarian]

Tim Lysyk wrote:

> Peter Charles wrote:
>
>>
>> Did he come up with his health care policy via the same method?
>>
>> Peter
>
>
> No, I think that started when he was still drinking.

When he *was* drinking? When was he *not* drinking?

BTW, sorry I didn't get a chance to get together with you on my
trip. Unfortunately, I basically went fishing on very short notice in
between sightseeing and visits with SWMBO's family and friends. Still,
it was great to get a taste of the Crow. I can see how you'd want to
spend as much time there as possible.

And now that SWMBO is a grandmom (grandmom?!!) with a grandkid in
Lethbridge, hopefully we'll be heading up there on a regular basis.


Chuck Vance

[Tim Lysyk]

Conan the Librarian wrote:
>
> When he *was* drinking? When was he *not* drinking?

Ralph took the pledge a few years ago after an incident one New Year's
eve where he verbally attacked some people at a local shelter. He was
under the influence at the time, and as a result, apologized publically
and gave up drinking.

>
> BTW, sorry I didn't get a chance to get together with you on my
> trip. Unfortunately, I basically went fishing on very short notice in
> between sightseeing and visits with SWMBO's family and friends. Still,
> it was great to get a taste of the Crow. I can see how you'd want to
> spend as much time there as possible.
>
> And now that SWMBO is a grandmom (grandmom?!!) with a grandkid in
> Lethbridge, hopefully we'll be heading up there on a regular basis.
>
>
> Chuck Vance

I understand, it would have been fun to get together, but timelines are
always short. Next time.

Tim Lysyk

[Tim Lysyk]

Conan the Librarian wrote:
>
> When he *was* drinking? When was he *not* drinking?

Ralph took the pledge a few years ago after an incident one New Year's
eve where he verbally attacked some people at a local shelter. He was
under the influence at the time, and as a result, apologized publically
and gave up drinking.

>
> BTW, sorry I didn't get a chance to get together with you on my
> trip. Unfortunately, I basically went fishing on very short notice in
> between sightseeing and visits with SWMBO's family and friends. Still,
> it was great to get a taste of the Crow. I can see how you'd want to
> spend as much time there as possible.
>
> And now that SWMBO is a grandmom (grandmom?!!) with a grandkid in
> Lethbridge, hopefully we'll be heading up there on a regular basis.
>
>
> Chuck Vance

I understand, it would have been fun to get together, but timelines are
always short. Next time.

Tim Lysyk

[Conan the Librarian]

Tim Lysyk wrote:


> Conan the Librarian wrote:
>
>> When he *was* drinking? When was he *not* drinking?
>
> Ralph took the pledge a few years ago after an incident one New Year's
> eve where he verbally attacked some people at a local shelter. He was
> under the influence at the time, and as a result, apologized publically
> and gave up drinking.

Yeah, I probably should have included a smiley there, as I remember
the incident. IIRC, he admitted he had a problem, but didn't feel the
need to seek professional help.

So does it appear that he's sober these days? Or is it hard to
tell? :-)

>> BTW, sorry I didn't get a chance to get together with you on my
>> trip. Unfortunately, I basically went fishing on very short notice in
>> between sightseeing and visits with SWMBO's family and friends.
>
> I understand, it would have been fun to get together, but timelines are
> always short. Next time.

Will do. Maybe you can show me all the *really* good spots. ;-)
Though I must say, I got enough action on dries (well, actually on a #16
parachute Adams) to feel like my outings were a success. Who knows what
I might have done if I had tried nymphing. ;-)


Chuck Vance

[Conan the Librarian]

Tim Lysyk wrote:


> Conan the Librarian wrote:
>
>> When he *was* drinking? When was he *not* drinking?
>
> Ralph took the pledge a few years ago after an incident one New Year's
> eve where he verbally attacked some people at a local shelter. He was
> under the influence at the time, and as a result, apologized publically
> and gave up drinking.

Yeah, I probably should have included a smiley there, as I remember
the incident. IIRC, he admitted he had a problem, but didn't feel the
need to seek professional help.

So does it appear that he's sober these days? Or is it hard to
tell? :-)

>> BTW, sorry I didn't get a chance to get together with you on my
>> trip. Unfortunately, I basically went fishing on very short notice in
>> between sightseeing and visits with SWMBO's family and friends.
>
> I understand, it would have been fun to get together, but timelines are
> always short. Next time.

Will do. Maybe you can show me all the *really* good spots. ;-)
Though I must say, I got enough action on dries (well, actually on a #16
parachute Adams) to feel like my outings were a success. Who knows what
I might have done if I had tried nymphing. ;-)


Chuck Vance

[Tim Lysyk]

Conan the Librarian wrote:

> So does it appear that he's sober these days? Or is it hard to
> tell? :-)

Yeah, pretty much. He is happy the province is now debt-free, and is
looking at eliminating helth care premiums for seniors now. They still
have a ways to go to restore services to earlier levels.

> Will do. Maybe you can show me all the *really* good spots. ;-)
> Though I must say, I got enough action on dries (well, actually on a #16
> parachute Adams) to feel like my outings were a success. Who knows what
> I might have done if I had tried nymphing. ;-)
>
>
> Chuck Vance
Went to a few good spots today. Caught a lot of cutts, some of pretty
substantial size.

Tim Lysyk

[Tim Lysyk]

Conan the Librarian wrote:

> So does it appear that he's sober these days? Or is it hard to
> tell? :-)

Yeah, pretty much. He is happy the province is now debt-free, and is
looking at eliminating helth care premiums for seniors now. They still
have a ways to go to restore services to earlier levels.

> Will do. Maybe you can show me all the *really* good spots. ;-)
> Though I must say, I got enough action on dries (well, actually on a #16
> parachute Adams) to feel like my outings were a success. Who knows what
> I might have done if I had tried nymphing. ;-)
>
>
> Chuck Vance
Went to a few good spots today. Caught a lot of cutts, some of pretty
substantial size.

Tim Lysyk