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RalphH August 18th, 2004 04:33 AM

fishin for trout in lakes
 
I'm no really familiar with the Chan/Morris book but have read many articles
by Chan and what he writes is worthwhile. Also look to books by Jack Shaw
and Phil Rowley who both hail from the Kamloops area of BC which is a major
stillwater centre. Shaw - who passed away a couple of years ago, was known
as an innovator and master angler for over 40 years.

The "Kamloops" book by Steve Raymond is also worthwhile.

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"Padishar Creel" wrote in message
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Brian Chan is considered, by many, as the authority on stillwater fly
fishing. He and Skip Morris wrote, "Fly Fishing Trout Lakes" and I have
read it and learned a great deal. Also, "Strategies for Stillwater" by

Dave
Hughes comes highly recommended as well.

chris

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"snakefiddler" wrote in message
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yesterday my son and i went fishin at a local lake in blowin rock ,
(appropriately called trout lake). he fished with his spin rod, i

with
my
fly rod. he had an artificial worm on his hook, which landed him his

first
trout. i, in spite of trying a few different flies, got nothing. my
question is this. in the absence of a hatch, when fishing for trout

in
lakes, does one approach fly selection differently than when fishing
streams?


you ever fish in there mark?

snakefiddler



It is somewhat different to fish a lake than river. The biggest

difference
is that the lake is relative featureless. In a river you easily see

pools,
riffles and flats etc. Trout in lakes tend to concentrate in certain

areas
just as in rivers; shoals, sunken islands, drop offs, creek inlets,

spring
holes, treed shorelines etc. Many who fish a new lake for the 1st time

find
the drop off between shoreline shoals and deep water then 360 the lake
trolling a basic fly like a wooly bugger, a leech or a scud. This will
usually locate fish. Then concentrate on those areas.

The forage for trout in lakes is usally a bit different as well. In

general
midges, scuds, damsel nymphs and dragons are important, caddis less so

and
stone flies all but absent. If I don't know what food predominates I

use
a
smaller wooly bugger (#10) in olive if the lake has lots of weed and in
black or brown if the bottom is mud. If I catch a fish I'll sample it's
stomach contentrs either by autopsy or with a stomach pump.

A third consideration for lakes is stratification. The water stratifies

by
temperature. When surface temps exceed 65 degrees trout will not feed on
shoals or close to the surface. In summer ideal temps may be 30 feet

down.
Time to get out Type 3,4 or even type 6 full sinking lines.

Some years a go Randall Kaufman published a good book on lake fishing. I
think it's still in print.







snakefiddler August 18th, 2004 12:57 PM

fishin for trout in lakes
 

"Frank Reid" wrote in message
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so, what's the float tube story? sounds like maybe you were really

trying
to get "deep" to the source?

snake


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hilarious
thanks for posting that for me - helluva story. is that where the full reid
comes from, or is that another good tale? didjya come out with any wounds,
besides the one to your ego, of course ;-)

snake- who seems to be perpetually bruised from falling in water, and
climbing big rocks.........





snakefiddler August 18th, 2004 12:57 PM

fishin for trout in lakes
 

"Frank Reid" wrote in message
...
so, what's the float tube story? sounds like maybe you were really

trying
to get "deep" to the source?

snake


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hilarious
thanks for posting that for me - helluva story. is that where the full reid
comes from, or is that another good tale? didjya come out with any wounds,
besides the one to your ego, of course ;-)

snake- who seems to be perpetually bruised from falling in water, and
climbing big rocks.........





snakefiddler August 18th, 2004 01:13 PM

fishin for trout in lakes
 

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
r.com...

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote

Daisy Mae has tried several personas here and through trial and error
she's concocted one that fools most of the geezers most of the time,
although a couple of those first personas had enough comic potential
and ribald sleaze factor to be WAY more interesting than she is now
as a sweet, naive earth momma.


well, some shallow people will always find the "sleaze factor" more
interesting.....
but maybe one day you will past that.



well, she is sweet, most of the time, and somewhat of an "earth

momma",
but she sure as hell is not naive. she is a very, very bright woman who
happens to be entranced by the blue ridge mountains and the places where
trout live. what the **** is wrong with that?

she is a newbie to the sport, and sincerely searches for advice from

the
world's greatest ****ing fly fishing newsgroup. she deserves better than
she gets from you, forty. you may recall being introduced to a four foot
wide piece of water, and learning a few things about fishing it. and i
remember fishing penns for the first time, feeling like a hopeless,
clueless, bungling fool. which is very much the truth, up there.

if you were around her for an hour, you would think she was great.
remember that night in the smokies, at the first clave, when we all met

for
the first time? that was reality, and it was far better than this piece

of
**** newsgroup. why don't you learn from your experiences.

wayno


thank you for the kind words, councelor. you truley are a gentlemen.

really, though, i think that you are wasting your time on forty. the man
has clearly lost it, is totally hung up on some ridiculous ****, and cannot
even be satisfied that i am a legitiamte poster", now that i am fly fishing.
he still finds it necessary to revert to the only thing he "has on me", and
clearly experiences great satisfaction in doing so,
although several folks here have expressed weariness of the routine.



btb, forty, how's your blood pressure. i mean, with all this hostility, it
can't be good. i, on the other hand, am not the least bit bothered by your
schtick, except to the extent that it may annoy others.
you might consider letting go of this ****, (and at the same time letting go
of your dick.) or maybe it just feels too good..........


snakefiddler- 80/65- (regularly)




snakefiddler August 18th, 2004 01:13 PM

fishin for trout in lakes
 

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
r.com...

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote

Daisy Mae has tried several personas here and through trial and error
she's concocted one that fools most of the geezers most of the time,
although a couple of those first personas had enough comic potential
and ribald sleaze factor to be WAY more interesting than she is now
as a sweet, naive earth momma.


well, some shallow people will always find the "sleaze factor" more
interesting.....
but maybe one day you will past that.



well, she is sweet, most of the time, and somewhat of an "earth

momma",
but she sure as hell is not naive. she is a very, very bright woman who
happens to be entranced by the blue ridge mountains and the places where
trout live. what the **** is wrong with that?

she is a newbie to the sport, and sincerely searches for advice from

the
world's greatest ****ing fly fishing newsgroup. she deserves better than
she gets from you, forty. you may recall being introduced to a four foot
wide piece of water, and learning a few things about fishing it. and i
remember fishing penns for the first time, feeling like a hopeless,
clueless, bungling fool. which is very much the truth, up there.

if you were around her for an hour, you would think she was great.
remember that night in the smokies, at the first clave, when we all met

for
the first time? that was reality, and it was far better than this piece

of
**** newsgroup. why don't you learn from your experiences.

wayno


thank you for the kind words, councelor. you truley are a gentlemen.

really, though, i think that you are wasting your time on forty. the man
has clearly lost it, is totally hung up on some ridiculous ****, and cannot
even be satisfied that i am a legitiamte poster", now that i am fly fishing.
he still finds it necessary to revert to the only thing he "has on me", and
clearly experiences great satisfaction in doing so,
although several folks here have expressed weariness of the routine.



btb, forty, how's your blood pressure. i mean, with all this hostility, it
can't be good. i, on the other hand, am not the least bit bothered by your
schtick, except to the extent that it may annoy others.
you might consider letting go of this ****, (and at the same time letting go
of your dick.) or maybe it just feels too good..........


snakefiddler- 80/65- (regularly)




Mark Bowen August 19th, 2004 11:03 PM

fishin for trout in lakes
 

"GregP" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:18:14 -0500, wrote:

And as to fishing, I suspect I've done more fishing, fly and otherwise,
and from an earlier age, then you and many others here, but like most
other things, I don't feel the slightest need to prove it to you or
anyone else.


... like all true heroes .... :-)


Actually, an accurate translation of 'lil Ricky's words would be:

"As to fishing, I suspect that my personal man-servant, Mr. French, has baited more
hooks for me, than I have ever baited for myself. I'd really like to join you guyz
one day for a 'clave, but I don't touch icky fish with my own hands!"

Mark



Mark Bowen August 19th, 2004 11:03 PM

fishin for trout in lakes
 

"GregP" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:18:14 -0500, wrote:

And as to fishing, I suspect I've done more fishing, fly and otherwise,
and from an earlier age, then you and many others here, but like most
other things, I don't feel the slightest need to prove it to you or
anyone else.


... like all true heroes .... :-)


Actually, an accurate translation of 'lil Ricky's words would be:

"As to fishing, I suspect that my personal man-servant, Mr. French, has baited more
hooks for me, than I have ever baited for myself. I'd really like to join you guyz
one day for a 'clave, but I don't touch icky fish with my own hands!"

Mark



[email protected] August 19th, 2004 11:15 PM

fishin for trout in lakes
 
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:03:37 -0400, "Mark Bowen"
wrote:


"GregP" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:18:14 -0500, wrote:

And as to fishing, I suspect I've done more fishing, fly and otherwise,
and from an earlier age, then you and many others here, but like most
other things, I don't feel the slightest need to prove it to you or
anyone else.


... like all true heroes .... :-)


Actually, an accurate translation of 'lil Ricky's words would be:

"As to fishing, I suspect that my personal man-servant, Mr. French, has baited more
hooks for me, than I have ever baited for myself. I'd really like to join you guyz
one day for a 'clave, but I don't touch icky fish with my own hands!"


Actually, a more-accurate translation of what lil' Ricky's words would
have been had lil' Ricky wanted to say the above would be:

"As to fishing, I suspect that my personal man-servant, Frothingham, has
baited more hooks for me, than I have ever baited myself. I'd have no
interest in joining some of the dip****s around here for a 'clave or
anything else. Besides, Frothingham doesn't associate with that type
anyway, and I'm not touching any icky fish with my own hands!"

Of course, the best translation would be:

Lil' Ricky doesn't feel the slightest need to prove anything to anyone,
hence, lil' Ricky said he didn't feel the slightest need to prove
anything to anyone. As always, YMMV.

HTH,
lil' Ricky


[email protected] August 19th, 2004 11:15 PM

fishin for trout in lakes
 
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:03:37 -0400, "Mark Bowen"
wrote:


"GregP" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:18:14 -0500, wrote:

And as to fishing, I suspect I've done more fishing, fly and otherwise,
and from an earlier age, then you and many others here, but like most
other things, I don't feel the slightest need to prove it to you or
anyone else.


... like all true heroes .... :-)


Actually, an accurate translation of 'lil Ricky's words would be:

"As to fishing, I suspect that my personal man-servant, Mr. French, has baited more
hooks for me, than I have ever baited for myself. I'd really like to join you guyz
one day for a 'clave, but I don't touch icky fish with my own hands!"


Actually, a more-accurate translation of what lil' Ricky's words would
have been had lil' Ricky wanted to say the above would be:

"As to fishing, I suspect that my personal man-servant, Frothingham, has
baited more hooks for me, than I have ever baited myself. I'd have no
interest in joining some of the dip****s around here for a 'clave or
anything else. Besides, Frothingham doesn't associate with that type
anyway, and I'm not touching any icky fish with my own hands!"

Of course, the best translation would be:

Lil' Ricky doesn't feel the slightest need to prove anything to anyone,
hence, lil' Ricky said he didn't feel the slightest need to prove
anything to anyone. As always, YMMV.

HTH,
lil' Ricky


daytripper August 20th, 2004 02:48 AM

fishin for trout in lakes
 
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:15:12 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:03:37 -0400, "Mark Bowen"
wrote:


"GregP" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:18:14 -0500,
wrote:

And as to fishing, I suspect I've done more fishing, fly and otherwise,
and from an earlier age, then you and many others here, but like most
other things, I don't feel the slightest need to prove it to you or
anyone else.

... like all true heroes .... :-)


Actually, an accurate translation of 'lil Ricky's words would be:

"As to fishing, I suspect that my personal man-servant, Mr. French, has baited more
hooks for me, than I have ever baited for myself. I'd really like to join you guyz
one day for a 'clave, but I don't touch icky fish with my own hands!"


Actually, a more-accurate translation of what lil' Ricky's words would
have been had lil' Ricky wanted to say the above would be:

"As to fishing, I suspect that my personal man-servant, Frothingham, has
baited more hooks for me, than I have ever baited myself. I'd have no
interest in joining some of the dip****s around here for a 'clave or
anything else. Besides, Frothingham doesn't associate with that type
anyway, and I'm not touching any icky fish with my own hands!"

Of course, the best translation would be:

Lil' Ricky doesn't feel the slightest need to prove anything to anyone,
hence, lil' Ricky said he didn't feel the slightest need to prove
anything to anyone. As always, YMMV.

HTH,
lil' Ricky



Hey now!

I like this Lil' Ricky much better than the ****tard Richard guy!

/daytripper (Though he ought to spell it Li'l Ricky, of course ;-)


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