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The risk of genetic extinction through hybridization
is real.

I don't think so. There you are, and monkeys and humans are still doing
fine, thank you very much.

You'd do well to read authors other than me Wolfman. I'm flattered and
all but there's a big world out there waiting for you and some of
these guys are a lot more eloquent.

"In southeast Idaho, one of the greatest threats to native cutthroat
trout diversity has been the wide spread introduction of rainbow trout
that are not ..."

http://www.isu.edu/~keelerne/Cutthroat_trout_cons.html

Your pal,

TBone
A cash flow runs through it.

I need help.
 

if you like you can meet up with myself and some of my friends we fish
the musky and flatbrook we will put you on some fish and we don't
fish with the baiters either so it could be a good fit


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On Apr 24, 7:23 pm, rw wrote:
Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Apr 22, 5:51 pm, rw wrote:
[snip]

In Idaho (at least in my parts) the apipose fins of all stocked rainbow
trout are clipped -- not just steelhead. If the fish is a multi-year
holdover its fin is still clipped. They don't grow back. Wild rainbows
(i.e., those with intact apipose fins) must be released.

Hi rw,

I checked with Idaho F&G and I hate to tell you that you've been
releasing stockers.

Oh my God! How can I ever live with myself? :-)

I don't mind releasing stockers. I mind killing wild fish.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Good. I'm glad you fessed up.

For the record, you've conceded that you can not tell the difference
between a streamborn trout and one that was born in a hatchery and
stocked.

That's at least a step in the right direction. I appreciate your
honesty.

Now, we need to understand why you don't mind killing and causing
extinction of your indigenous cutthroat trout by releasing stocked
rainbow.

Your pal,

TBone
It is impossibile to catch and release a wild trout.

I need help.
 

Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Apr 24, 7:23 pm, rw wrote:

Halfordian Golfer wrote:

On Apr 22, 5:51 pm, rw wrote:
[snip]

In Idaho (at least in my parts) the apipose fins of all stocked rainbow
trout are clipped -- not just steelhead. If the fish is a multi-year
holdover its fin is still clipped. They don't grow back. Wild rainbows
(i.e., those with intact apipose fins) must be released.

Hi rw,

I checked with Idaho F&G and I hate to tell you that you've been
releasing stockers.

Oh my God! How can I ever live with myself? :-)

I don't mind releasing stockers. I mind killing wild fish.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


Good. I'm glad you fessed up.

For the record, you've conceded that you can not tell the difference
between a streamborn trout and one that was born in a hatchery and
stocked.

That's at least a step in the right direction. I appreciate your
honesty.

Now, we need to understand why you don't mind killing and causing
extinction of your indigenous cutthroat trout by releasing stocked
rainbow.

I follow the regulations.

The regulations stipulate that stream trout with intact adipose fins are
presumed to be wild and must be released, so that's what I do.

I spend most of my time fishing in waters where there is no stocking
whatsoever. ALL of the fish are wild, and must be released according to
the regulations (except for whitefish). These are mostly cutthroat that
migrate upstream during the summer, but there are a few rainbows mixed in.

Occasionally I'll fish in the Main Fork of the Salmon near town just to
catch a creel full. Virtually ALL of those fish I catch, aside from the
odd bull trout, are stockers with clipped fins. I don't believe that a
decent sized trout can even survive in that river over the winter.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

I need help.
 

On Apr 24, 7:34 pm, Dennis wrote:
if you like you can meet up with myself and some of my friends we fish
the musky and flatbrook we will put you on some fish and we don't
fish with the baiters either so it could be a good fit

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Why don't you fish with baiters Dennis?

Best regards,

TBone

I need help.
 

On Apr 24, 8:41 pm, rw wrote:
Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Apr 24, 7:23 pm, rw wrote:

Halfordian Golfer wrote:

On Apr 22, 5:51 pm, rw wrote:
[snip]

In Idaho (at least in my parts) the apipose fins of all stocked rainbow
trout are clipped -- not just steelhead. If the fish is a multi-year
holdover its fin is still clipped. They don't grow back. Wild rainbows
(i.e., those with intact apipose fins) must be released.

Hi rw,

I checked with Idaho F&G and I hate to tell you that you've been
releasing stockers.

Oh my God! How can I ever live with myself? :-)

I don't mind releasing stockers. I mind killing wild fish.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Good. I'm glad you fessed up.

For the record, you've conceded that you can not tell the difference
between a streamborn trout and one that was born in a hatchery and
stocked.

That's at least a step in the right direction. I appreciate your
honesty.

Now, we need to understand why you don't mind killing and causing
extinction of your indigenous cutthroat trout by releasing stocked
rainbow.

I follow the regulations.

The regulations stipulate that stream trout with intact adipose fins are
presumed to be wild and must be released, so that's what I do.

I spend most of my time fishing in waters where there is no stocking
whatsoever. ALL of the fish are wild, and must be released according to
the regulations (except for whitefish). These are mostly cutthroat that
migrate upstream during the summer, but there are a few rainbows mixed in.

Occasionally I'll fish in the Main Fork of the Salmon near town just to
catch a creel full. Virtually ALL of those fish I catch, aside from the
odd bull trout, are stockers with clipped fins. I don't believe that a
decent sized trout can even survive in that river over the winter.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Why do you suppose that there's no limit on whitefish? They're a
native species right? They're delicious smoked and people (including
myself) will often harvest 40 or more in the fall. According to you
and others here if there weren't regulations they'd be wiped out. Yet,
no limit, people harvest them in the extreme, and...wow...they're
still here.

How can that be?

Serious questions command serious answers.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer

I need help.
 

On Apr 24, 8:41 pm, rw wrote:
Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Apr 24, 7:23 pm, rw wrote:

Halfordian Golfer wrote:

On Apr 22, 5:51 pm, rw wrote:
[snip]

In Idaho (at least in my parts) the apipose fins of all stocked rainbow
trout are clipped -- not just steelhead. If the fish is a multi-year
holdover its fin is still clipped. They don't grow back. Wild rainbows
(i.e., those with intact apipose fins) must be released.

Hi rw,

I checked with Idaho F&G and I hate to tell you that you've been
releasing stockers.

Oh my God! How can I ever live with myself? :-)

I don't mind releasing stockers. I mind killing wild fish.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Good. I'm glad you fessed up.

For the record, you've conceded that you can not tell the difference
between a streamborn trout and one that was born in a hatchery and
stocked.

That's at least a step in the right direction. I appreciate your
honesty.

Now, we need to understand why you don't mind killing and causing
extinction of your indigenous cutthroat trout by releasing stocked
rainbow.

I follow the regulations.

The regulations stipulate that stream trout with intact adipose fins are
presumed to be wild and must be released, so that's what I do.

I spend most of my time fishing in waters where there is no stocking
whatsoever. ALL of the fish are wild, and must be released according to
the regulations (except for whitefish). These are mostly cutthroat that
migrate upstream during the summer, but there are a few rainbows mixed in.

Occasionally I'll fish in the Main Fork of the Salmon near town just to
catch a creel full. Virtually ALL of those fish I catch, aside from the
odd bull trout, are stockers with clipped fins. I don't believe that a
decent sized trout can even survive in that river over the winter.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

I'll ask the boss if a decent sized fish can survive the winter in
that river. I'll let you know.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer

I need help.
 

On Apr 24, 8:18 am, Conan The Librarian wrote:
Halfordian Golfer wrote:
What?

So you been doing any subsistence fishing recently?

Chuck Vance

Yes.

Onion encrusted grouper 4/22/08 (Newcastles)
Mahi Mahi topped with crab sauce and finished in the broiler 4/23/08
(Newcastles)
Grouper in white crab sauce on spinach and rice 4/24/08 (Fosters)

I thank The Creator for the blessings and bounty of this earth.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer

I need help.
 

On Apr 24, 2:51 pm, "JT" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Suppose you catch a fish you don't want to eat while fishing for fish you
do want to eat?



TC,
R

Don't be surprised by the response you got. I've asked Mr. Bone the same
question several time, he generally dances around it. In your case, he just
acted dumb...

It's a waste of time trying to get honest answers, many have tired.

JT
Catch & Release is a conservation effort to protect stream viability for the
future generations, while enjoying the sport of fishing.

Suppose you ran over a Tibetan monk in your Ferrari on the way to fish
the Frying Pan.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer

I need help.
 

On Apr 24, 3:01 pm, wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:21 pm, Halfordian Golfer wrote:



On Apr 22, 5:45 pm, wrote:

On Apr 22, 2:19 pm, Halford's Golfer wrote:

On Apr 22, 4:57 pm, rw wrote:

Halfords Golfer wrote:
On Apr 22, 1:02 pm, rw wrote:

Conan The Librarian wrote:

Despite Tim's constant protestations, I'd venture a guess that most
Ruffians attitudes are similar. We don't have problems with areas that
are C'n'R; if we choose to fish them we follow the rules. But it's not
an all or nothing situation for us like it is for Tim. We are
comfortable in how we approach the sport. Tim isn't, therefore he's
trying to drag everyone else down to his level.

I've run into C&R bigots on the water, typically when I'm seen killing a
fish. They're extremely annoying, but rare.

I don't know of a single C&R bigot on ROFF. There is, however, a C&K bigot.

BTW, I'll gladly kill trout that are stocked. (I think stocked fish cook
up very well -- perfect pan size and well fed if freshly stocked :-).

I'm loathe to kill a wild trout unless it's fatally hooked. Anyway,
keeping a wild trout is usually illegal where I fish locally (unless
they're brook trout).

The "subsistence" argument for anti-C&R is absurd.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

You can't tell the difference between a wild and a stocked trout.

Yes I can.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

You can tell a fish that was born in the river versus one that was
stocked as fry or that was stocked as a catchable and is a multi-year
holdover? Unless you're talking about Steelhead with clipped fins, I'd
sure like to hear how you can tell.

Your pal,

TBone- Hide quoted text -

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Color
Crowding wear signs
Plump too early in year
Uniformity
Stupidity
Lack of muscle tone
etc etc etc

Stupidity, eh?

Interesting comment.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer- Hide quoted text -

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Maybe you would like "lack of wariness" better? Like being gobbled by
the herons following the trucks.

Dave

That's nature versus nurture. The ones that survive will become wary,
provided decent privacy from homo sapien.

Of course a whole lot of the fry are eaten by that big one you
released while fishing a streamer.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer