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"Halfordian Golfer" wrote... "Bob Weinberger" wrote... "Kevin Vang" wrote... A rather specialized alternate definition of the word. In the competetive bass tournament world, a fisherman will keep every fish he catches until he has his legal bag limit. Then, if should catch a larger fish, he will place it in his livewell and remove one of the smaller fish and release it. Snip The act you describe above (illegal in most states) is not a "specialized alternate definition" of culling; it is a classic example of the standard definition of culling. The fishermen described above are culling their CATCH to remove the individuals that are undesireable to them. That is far different than maintaining that slot limits amount to culling the undesireable specimens from THE GENERAL FISH POPULATION in a body of water. The fish removed with slot limits are no better or worse than those that remain, both within and outside the slot. There is simply deemed to be enough of a population in that slot for which retention is allowed that the fisheries bio's believe a certain amount of them may be removed without overly adversely affecting the total fishery. [snip] Culling is simply controlled predation. I don't think I said "Welcome back" this time around. -- TL, Tim who is in awe of your ability to pick up right where you left off without missing a beat, and bring the usual suspects along with you. :) http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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Tim J. wrote:
Since a cartoon can ascribe powers from the imagination of the cartoonist, my money's on Mighty Mouse. (Freakin' realist) :) Does Mighty Mouse get to use kryptonite? Does Superman get to use limburger cheese? It could be a draw. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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"rw" wrote in message hlink.net... Bob Weinberger wrote: Baloney. The American Heritage Dictionary gives the definition of "to cull" as: VERB: 1. To pick out from others; select. 2. To gather; collect. 3. To remove rejected members or parts from (a herd, for example). Only in the third alternative is there any suggestion of removing undesireables -- hardly the "defining" element. Oh, so if T-Bone, Charlie, or Willi were to declare that you are a cull, after picking you out from others, using a process which by remarkable coincidence is called culling, you would be just as likely to consider their evaluation to be complimentary or neutral as you would be to consider it derogatory. ;) -- Bob Weinberger La, Grande, OR place a dot between bobs and stuff and remove invalid to send email |
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Bob Weinberger wrote: If you reread my post you should be able to ascertain that I applied the phrase "virtually universally accepted definition" to the NOUN cull ( I notice that you conveniently snipped my use of the qualifier "virtually"). Go ahead and ask as many English speaking people as you can find (whether scientifically trained or not) what calling someone or something a cull implies. I'll bet all of Wolfie's SNNs that you will be hard put to find anyone who has had any exposure to the word at all that does not indicate that the word has connotations of something undesireable. The word used was culling not cull, and the word culling IS used in a variety of ways. But if you want to talk about the noun cull, I'm sure someone would be glad to do so with ya! Willi |
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"Willi" wrote in message ... Bob Weinberger wrote: While some dictonaries have included the simple definition of "to separate, select or pick out", without including the criteria for such selection , in their list of definitions for culling, their action is merely an acknowledgement of the lack of rigor by a portion of the populace in properly using the term culling. I think that this often occurs when the same words are used in some field of science and are also used in our common language. The definition of "culling" you used is a correct, more precise one that is used in science. Common usage of the word is more varied and less precise. The meanings of words change over time and are influenced by common usage. When words are "borrowed" from the scientific community by people for use in their everyday conversations, these words often adopt new meanings, sometimes wildly different from their origins. When you're writing a scientific paper, there would be a generally accepted, specific definition for the word "culling." However, in common usage, there is a much wider range of meanings. Neither of these usages are "wrong" or "stupid" or ???????? When you're trying to justify killing fish by stating that it's for the good of the fishery and you call the one's you're throwing back (presumably alive.....but that has explicitly been stated to be a matter of some indifference) culls, that is stupid. Attempting to rationalize anything that stupid it is stupid. Failure to recognize that it is stupid is stupid. Pretending that it has something to do with alternate definitions is stupid. Pretending that Tim actually said something else is stupid. Efforts to justify stupidity are stupid. In this day and age, failure to attain literacy is stupid. Wolfgang |
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"Willi" wrote in message ... Wolfgang wrote: "Willi" wrote in message ... Kevin Vang wrote: The ND fishing regs specifically use the word "culling" in the regulation which proscribes it, so apparently it is considered standard usage in some circles. Well I'm sure Wolfgang would just label them as stupid! Certainty in the absence of evidence is stupid. That's not what I was trying to convey. I'll make it easier for you to understand. I made that statement because each person that disagreed with your definition of "culling" was labeled as stupid. No, Tim was labeled as stupid because HE failed to agree with HIS definition of culling. Anyone who has still not seen that must also be stupid.....it has nothing to do with me. Personally, I think that people that have the tendency to label other people as stupid, tend to have some sort of self esteem issues. No you don't. Why do you make this **** up? Wolfgang |
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"Bob Weinberger" wrote in message ... "rw" wrote in message hlink.net... Bob Weinberger wrote: Baloney. The American Heritage Dictionary gives the definition of "to cull" as: VERB: 1. To pick out from others; select. 2. To gather; collect. 3. To remove rejected members or parts from (a herd, for example). Only in the third alternative is there any suggestion of removing undesireables -- hardly the "defining" element. Oh, so if T-Bone, Charlie, or Willi were to declare that you are a cull, after picking you out from others, using a process which by remarkable coincidence is called culling, you would be just as likely to consider their evaluation to be complimentary or neutral as you would be to consider it derogatory. ;) You DO know that you aren't going to win this one, right, Bob? I mean, when dealing with people who believe that a dictionary is not only an adequate substitute for, but actually preferable to understanding words, you CAN'T win. Wolfgang still, it IS kinda fun to watch someone else beat them up. :) |
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"Tim J." wrote in message news:_2%bc.182069$_w.1840293@attbi_s53... "Wolfgang" wrote... snip Wolfgang who, personally, subscribes to the thoroughly reasonable theory that superman would win because he's a real guy, while mighty mouse is a cartoon. Since a cartoon can ascribe powers from the imagination of the cartoonist, my money's on Mighty Mouse. Hmph! Superman also appears in comic books, does he not? (Freakin' realist) :) Ed Homonym! Ed Homonym! :( Wolfgang |
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