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On Jan 11, 9:27 am, Conan The Librarian wrote:

Did you ever get one of those little Ikea espresso maker thingies
like I had at my campsite?

Not only do they make a good cuppa fairly quickly but they are also
pretty light in weight- the cast aluminum ones anyhow.

Is this the one?: http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/80080535

I've got a
medium sized one that lives in my car-camping equipment box, but it's
been known to sneak its way into my backpack for away-from-the-car
trips as well. The small amount of extra weight is worth it! (For
me, that is. Tom N's packing list impresses me, but I need at least a
FEW niceties on the trail!)

Trail? Oh, you mean where you actually carry all the stuff on your
back and *then* set up camp.

I used to do that too. These days I have a slightly different
definition for "roughing it".


Chuck Vance (just ask Jeff and Wolfgang)

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On Jan 11, 10:57 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Give us enough coffee......or other adult beverages......and we fly!
:)

Or ursine encouragement. :-)

I was.....um.....luring it away to save Frank. Yeah, that's what I was
doing.

Wolfgang
it's true what they say.....no good dead, however small, goes unpunished.
:(

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Wolfgang wrote:

wrote in message
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On Jan 11, 10:57 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:


Give us enough coffee......or other adult beverages......and we fly!
:)

Or ursine encouragement. :-)

I was.....um.....luring it away to save Frank. Yeah, that's what I was
doing.

Wolfgang
it's true what they say.....no good dead, however small, goes unpunished.
^^^^

Interesting spelling. Was that an accident? :-)


Chuck Vance (no pun intended)

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On Jan 11, 11:07 am, Conan The Librarian wrote:
wrote:
Not only do they make a good cuppa fairly quickly but they are also
pretty light in weight- the cast aluminum ones anyhow.

Is this the one?:http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/80080535

Well, that one uses the same method, but is likely made of stainless.
I've got a couple various shapes and sizes like that at home. The one
I camp with is cast aluminum like this:

http://bialettishop.com/Merchant2/gr...xpressMiva.jpg

B

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"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

wrote in message
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On Jan 11, 10:57 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:


Give us enough coffee......or other adult beverages......and we fly!
:)
Or ursine encouragement. :-)

I was.....um.....luring it away to save Frank. Yeah, that's what I was
doing.

Wolfgang
it's true what they say.....no good dead, however small, goes unpunished.
^^^^

Interesting spelling. Was that an accident? :-)


Chuck Vance (no pun intended)

Opps!

Wolfgang
who would still rather be read than dead.

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On Jan 11, 11:03*am, "Wolfgang" wrote:
roasting also adds one
degree or another of ritual, a consideration easily dismissed by some, but
important to many others.

My first thought is it's the difference between taste and enjoyment.
In thinking about it, however, I can't come up with many "rituals" I
enjoy beyond food and drink. I simply will not drink gin without the
ritual of shaking it with ice & serving in an appropriate glass. I
don't drink tea without boiling fresh water. I like to knead bread,
though the machine stuff tastes just as good. I'm incapable of
chopping vegetables with a carving knife. (Okay, maybe I'm bordering
on OCD here.)

When I was a more frequent pipe smoker, the subtle rituals of properly
packing a hand-carved Danish pipe, etc. were pointlessly important.
(i.e. Sure, you can stuff some Captain Black into a Dr. Grabow & light
it; but that's just smoking, not enjoying the smoke.)

Joe F.

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On Jan 11, 11:02 am, Conan The Librarian wrote:

On the woodworking front: Bought a nice mesquite slab from a local
place the other day. It's got a sweet natural edge, and I'm gonna turn
it into a display shelf for odds-and-ends. I jointed the cut edge and
chiseled/rasped away the bark from the natural edge.

Then I set to work on removing the bandsaw marks. Tearout city as
the grain changed every couple of inches. So I grabbed a card scraper
and set to work. Lovely, meditative work ... and the grain is really
starting to shine. Can't wait to hit it with some oil ... maybe an
oil/beeswax mix.

Oh, and the price ... ~$8/bf for 12" wide semi-clear 5/4 stock.
*meep* *meep*

Chuck Vance (so how's things up nawth?)

Well I COULD gloat about the trip I made to the country recently-
about an hour from home- to purchase 60-70 bf of cherry and q-sawn
sycamore (lacewood) from a small mill owner. Despite having no
immediate use in mind, I couldn't help myself from getting a clear
5/4, 20" wide 5' long piece of cherry. The board was just too
beautiful to NOT buy it. Ditto the lacewood- have no idea what I'll
use it for, but that grain! BOI-OI-OI-NG! The small load ran me
about $3/bf. He charged about $2/bf for the lacewood (merely 10"
wide). But I don't want to gloat. :-) I guess we BOTH suck :-)

I won't send pics of the kitchen stuff, it's pretty utilitarian. But
next up is putting most of that cherry (sans the wide board) to use on
a glass-door bookcase.

Finish: I've been messing with a turps-blo-beeswax mix that is very
nice. The turps thins the wax nicely, so the mix is a nice
consistency for wiping. I got it somewhere- FWW? Becksvoort?

I *do* love that dado plane (both of them!), well worth the exorbitant
price you charged me :-) and look forward to using it on the bookcase
project. Just wished you'd put a decent edge on the cutters before
you sent 'em :-)

B

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"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
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Did you ever get one of those little Ikea espresso maker thingies like
I had at my campsite?

Nah, I haven't gotten one. Espresso is something I like every once in a
great while.....not enough to justify buying apparatus for making it.
I've found that mooching off of fishing companions suits my needs
perfectly. :)

That's cool. I also enjoyed mooching your advice and that Pass Lake.
:-)

Now if Wolfgang can just forgive me for using Starbucks (aka,
"Charbucks") in the thing. :-}
The one nice thing about Starbucks is that you can use any of their
beans to make espresso. No, it won't be good, but none of it will be
worse than any other.

It's sort of the McDonalds of the coffee world in that respect.

And to tie in with another part of this thread: McDonalds in
Canuckistan have been serving pretty decent coffee for quite a while. I
never drink coffee at convenience stores or fast food restaurants, but
Carol told me to try some one day and I was surprised at how much it
tasted like real coffee. :-}

Chuck Vance (who admits to knowing next to nothing at all about
coffee, except it goes nicely with a cig when sitting by the Little
River on a cool morning)
Yeah, that was good.

Indeed. And I hope to repeat that scene this year. Nothing finalized
yet, but it looks like Carol has resigned herself to the fact that I plan
to make the trip again. She even got me some new speakers for my car for
xmas, saying if I was gonna be driving all those miles, I should at least
have some decent sound in there. :-)

So I should be back about the same time of year (early May), and I plan
to camp in the same spot if possible.

I'll bring my coffee maker ... you bring the beans. :-)


Chuck Vance (and a few Pass Lakes)

I'm currently trying to decide which of several time slots and venues Jeff
has proposed to take him up on. So many choices, so little time! :(

Wolfgang

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"Steve" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:35:10 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 10, 1:58 pm, Steve wrote:
So this phrase is incorrect?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moka_Ex...s._drip_coffee

If you mean Wikipedia's claim that "Due to the higher pressures
involved, the mixture of water and steam reaches temperatures well
above 100 °C" then yes, that claim is incorrect.

I know nothing about espresso and other high-falutin' coffee machines,
but I do remember something from chemistry class -- if they really
operate at higher than atmospheric pressure, then the claim is
absolutely correct. Higher pressure corresponds to higher boiling
point. If the machine brings the water to boil under higher pressure,
then higher temps are being used.

Jon.
Doing my part to drag civilization down :-)

You're thinking pressure cooker.
Think percolator and you will be closer. The pressure is not that
high, certainly nowhere near the 9-10 bars of pressure for espresso.
Calling moka pots "stove top espresso makers" is a misnomer. They
can't make espresso. It's not a percolator, either.

Right. The important thing to keep in mind is that it is not necessary to
bring the entire contents of the vessel to boiling temperature. A
percolator works on the principle of boiling a small quantity of water and
using the pressure generated by creating steam in a small sub-compartment
within the vessel to push up a column of water which then spills over into
the basket holding the coffee. The water in that column, early in the
process, is far below boiling temperature. Throughout the process, the bulk
of the water is steadily rising in temperature but comes nowhere near the
boiling point. Moreover, as the container is not tightly sealed, there is
no build up of pressure except, briefly and intermittently, under the curved
plate resting on the bottom; consequently, the boiling temperature of the
water remains essentially at the usual for atmospheric pressure.

I'm not sure exactly how stove top espresso makers are configured, but it's
safe to assume that something like the same principal is at
work.....pressure from the steam generated by boiling a small portion of the
water forces the rest of the somewhat cooler water through the mechanism.

Wolfgang