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But, I have refurbished and revitalized some old equipment for "Retro" fishing. Also, Favorite Flies & Their Histories by Mary Orvis Marbury has stimulated my interest in some old classic fly patterns. These patterns will soon take flight at the end of a gut leader if I can find some. (I will keep my other rods & reels handy though) Guy Try he http://www.flyanglersonline.com/features/oldflies/ Check out the archives. -- Frank Reid Reverse email to reply Thanks for the link Frank. G |
"Willi" wrote in message ... Wayne Harrison wrote: "Willi" wrote It's gotten old. word. now try to convince your friend in idaho of that. yfitons wayno It was a comment directed at "these crazy mother****ers" and I did include his "peepee" comment. Well, you look like a bright young lad. O.k., let's say you live in world where there's......um......bad people......and, like problems and stuff. So, what's the best solution......ignore them.....or whine? I'm lucky that my dogs (mostly) listen to me. Yeah.....and that ain't sick. Wolfgang who, it must be admitted, doesn't find human intercourse invariably and inevitably repulsive. |
"Wolfgang" wrote Wolfgang who, it must be admitted, doesn't find human intercourse invariably and inevitably repulsive. There are many variations on the human intercourse theme. Friday I went with my kid to his chosen University to see the campus, for my first time, he's been there for some summer programs several times. We sat in on a seminar style class in International Studies, one of his majors to be. The subject was borders and ethics, the how and why, good and bad of borders, both international and private property. It was very lively and spirited. There was disagreement and debate that was so stimulating I was ready to sign up for college again myself, one forgets how exciting really thinking can be. Not all differences were settled, or even definitions agreed upon, etc, but progress was made in that direction. And there was never a split second of disrespect or attempt to "win" the conversation ... everyone wanted to really understand the others ....... everyone seemed aware that they themselves just might be in error or, more likely, that "truth," in the end, would be a blending of differing ideas from differing backgrounds. Real conversation ( my definition ) is an effort to communicate, exchange ideas, UNDERSTAND the others involved, even if you still disagree with them. Such human intercourse is invariably and inevitably exciting and productive, even though it can be a bumpy trip. On the other hand, "listening" only for something to reply to, understood or not, to continue the fight and hopefully "score points" can be entertaining for brief periods that might otherwise be too dull to endure. But, such argument for the sake of argument, imo, barely qualifies as human interaction, since it essentially requires avoiding really listening and trying to respect or understand the other humans involved .... there is no real interaction of ideas, just intensely worded and escalating separation and alienation. This latter, very common, style isn't "inevitably repulsive" but it is rather boring.... ie. it 'gets old' |
"Larry L" wrote in message ... "Wolfgang" wrote Wolfgang who, it must be admitted, doesn't find human intercourse invariably and inevitably repulsive. There are many variations on the human intercourse theme. Friday I went with my kid to his chosen University to see the campus, for my first time, he's been there for some summer programs several times. We sat in on a seminar style class in International Studies, one of his majors to be. The subject was borders and ethics, the how and why, good and bad of borders, both international and private property. It was very lively and spirited. There was disagreement and debate that was so stimulating I was ready to sign up for college again myself, one forgets how exciting really thinking can be. Not all differences were settled, or even definitions agreed upon, etc, but progress was made in that direction. And there was never a split second of disrespect or attempt to "win" the conversation ... everyone wanted to really understand the others ...... everyone seemed aware that they themselves just might be in error or, more likely, that "truth," in the end, would be a blending of differing ideas from differing backgrounds. Real conversation ( my definition ) is an effort to communicate, exchange ideas, UNDERSTAND the others involved, even if you still disagree with them. Such human intercourse is invariably and inevitably exciting and productive, even though it can be a bumpy trip. On the other hand, "listening" only for something to reply to, understood or not, to continue the fight and hopefully "score points" can be entertaining for brief periods that might otherwise be too dull to endure. But, such argument for the sake of argument, imo, barely qualifies as human interaction, since it essentially requires avoiding really listening and trying to respect or understand the other humans involved .... there is no real interaction of ideas, just intensely worded and escalating separation and alienation. This latter, very common, style isn't "inevitably repulsive" but it is rather boring.... ie. it 'gets old' Perceptive and well argued. One need only add the observation that the lessons to be learned from this are generally instilled in the minds of children very early and effectively, weakened significantly (though not yet fatally) by middle school years, kept barely alive through artificial means in college, and correctly given up for dead upon entry into the world of the adults who tell their children.....disingenuously.....that they should share and be nice. Meanwhile, I refuse to accept the premise that wholesale hate and contempt are acceptable and even amusing while attempts to call attention to them are reprehensible. Wolfgang who, somewhat exceptionally it would appear, doesn't know anyone who can make him read what bores him. |
"Wolfgang" wrote Meanwhile, I refuse to accept the premise that wholesale hate and contempt are acceptable and even amusing while attempts to call attention to them are reprehensible. I admit that you lost me here, to a large degree, as it applies to what preceeded. But I find nothing in the sentence, as a separate thought, to disagree with .... hate and contempt are rarely acceptable, and calling attention to that may qualify as a human duty Wolfgang who, somewhat exceptionally it would appear, doesn't know anyone who can make him read what bores him. Boredom, like most things, varies greatly in degree within a given person's daily routine, and greatly from person to person. As that applies ( if it does ) to this thread "on booze," I have read about 8 or 10 of the total posts in the thread. I nearly always stop reading a thread, or sub-thread once it gets to the name calling stage, or is reduced to just two or three people going "back and forth" .... such threads have reached a intellectual boredom level that makes them interesting only to nastiness voyeurs, or, sometimes on roff, the opposite, as two people tell the world just how much they like getting drunk and fishing together ...both too boring to bear. Experience has also shown that some posters are uniformly more interesting than others, so I'm likely to pull one of Willi's posts out of an otherwise discarded thread and follow it a step or two to see where it leads. And I think that you, Wolfgang, can be very interesting on the occasions that serious thought appeals to you more than meanness .... ah, that human duty to point out, mentioned above ...... so I probably check 60% of your posts until I find you amusing yourself with contempt and hate, then I abandon you in that thread. So, again, we agree ... we don't actually read much of the very boring .... I usually assume MY posts get very little attention, I post mainly to help me sort my own thoughts ...or, gad, discuss Fly Fishing G |
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I freely admit that's the *only* way I've ever been able
to drink a Rainier. And tomato juice couldn't possibly do anything but improve an Old Milwaukee. ;-) Ranier ale or beer? The ale was very good, back in the -60s. What do you think of Schlitz? vince |
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