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"George Cleveland" wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:11:43 +0100, "riverman"
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"George Cleveland" wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:09:21 GMT,
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:35:11 -0500, George Cleveland

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Well, this is the problem innit. I've been trying to figure out why
Bush can't admit to any mistakes. And what I've come up with is that
he really does believe that he is an instrument of God's will or
perhaps he even believes that God is personally telling him what to
do. (I also can't help but wonder, if that is the case, if God doesn't
sound alot like Dick Cheney's voice coming over a teensy weensy
speaker). And of course since God can't be wrong therefore G.W. Bush
can't be wrong either.

g.c.

It must be lonely belonging to a club with only two members and one of
the members speaks Latin and Polish better than he does English.

We know where your diapers are, too, George...

The Cabal

WATCH OUT FOR THE GIRAFFES!


?


g.c.

||: ? :||

--riverman


??!

g.c.



EXACTLY!

--riverman

Terrorists on ROFF?
 

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:11:43 +0100, "riverman"
wrote:


"George Cleveland" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:09:21 GMT,
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:35:11 -0500, George Cleveland

wrote:


Well, this is the problem innit. I've been trying to figure out why
Bush can't admit to any mistakes. And what I've come up with is that
he really does believe that he is an instrument of God's will or
perhaps he even believes that God is personally telling him what to
do. (I also can't help but wonder, if that is the case, if God doesn't
sound alot like Dick Cheney's voice coming over a teensy weensy
speaker). And of course since God can't be wrong therefore G.W. Bush
can't be wrong either.

g.c.

It must be lonely belonging to a club with only two members and one of
the members speaks Latin and Polish better than he does English.

We know where your diapers are, too, George...

The Cabal

WATCH OUT FOR THE GIRAFFES!


?


g.c.

||: ? :||

--riverman


??!

g.c.



EXACTLY!

--riverman

Terrorists on ROFF?
 

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:45:51 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:09:21 GMT,
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:35:11 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:


Well, this is the problem innit. I've been trying to figure out why
Bush can't admit to any mistakes. And what I've come up with is that
he really does believe that he is an instrument of God's will or
perhaps he even believes that God is personally telling him what to
do. (I also can't help but wonder, if that is the case, if God doesn't
sound alot like Dick Cheney's voice coming over a teensy weensy
speaker). And of course since God can't be wrong therefore G.W. Bush
can't be wrong either.

g.c.

It must be lonely belonging to a club with only two members and one of
the members speaks Latin and Polish better than he does English.

We know where your diapers are, too, George...

The Cabal

WATCH OUT FOR THE GIRAFFES!


Oh I get it. Sorry, I made a mistake (See I can do it, why can't
Bush?).

Why should he (or Kerry, either)? It would do no good, but it could do harm.

I made a smilification error. After "I also can't help but
wonder, if that is the case, if God doesn't sound alot like Dick
Cheney's voice coming over a teensy weensy speaker" I should have put
a " ;^) ". No Ricardo, I don't really believe that Dick has implanted
a teeny tiny speaker in George B's ear. That was a funny image that
occured to me.
..

But really, I do wonder if G.B. thinks he is exercising
God's Will and therefore thinks all his actions are unassailable.

IMO, "yes" to the former and "no" to the latter, but not "yes" to extent that
you seem to imply. I think he is an honestly religious man and believes that on
some level, everything is God's will, but I don't think he thinks he has been
somehow singularly "anointed." I, myself, am not particularly religious, but
I'd much rather have a man with Bush's beliefs than a man with none at all - as
always, YMMV.

TC,
R



g.c.

Terrorists on ROFF?
 

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:45:51 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:09:21 GMT,
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:35:11 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:


Well, this is the problem innit. I've been trying to figure out why
Bush can't admit to any mistakes. And what I've come up with is that
he really does believe that he is an instrument of God's will or
perhaps he even believes that God is personally telling him what to
do. (I also can't help but wonder, if that is the case, if God doesn't
sound alot like Dick Cheney's voice coming over a teensy weensy
speaker). And of course since God can't be wrong therefore G.W. Bush
can't be wrong either.

g.c.

It must be lonely belonging to a club with only two members and one of
the members speaks Latin and Polish better than he does English.

We know where your diapers are, too, George...

The Cabal

WATCH OUT FOR THE GIRAFFES!


Oh I get it. Sorry, I made a mistake (See I can do it, why can't
Bush?).

Why should he (or Kerry, either)? It would do no good, but it could do harm.

I made a smilification error. After "I also can't help but
wonder, if that is the case, if God doesn't sound alot like Dick
Cheney's voice coming over a teensy weensy speaker" I should have put
a " ;^) ". No Ricardo, I don't really believe that Dick has implanted
a teeny tiny speaker in George B's ear. That was a funny image that
occured to me.
..

But really, I do wonder if G.B. thinks he is exercising
God's Will and therefore thinks all his actions are unassailable.

IMO, "yes" to the former and "no" to the latter, but not "yes" to extent that
you seem to imply. I think he is an honestly religious man and believes that on
some level, everything is God's will, but I don't think he thinks he has been
somehow singularly "anointed." I, myself, am not particularly religious, but
I'd much rather have a man with Bush's beliefs than a man with none at all - as
always, YMMV.

TC,
R



g.c.

Terrorists on ROFF?
 

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:26:26 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:45:51 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:09:21 GMT,
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:35:11 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:


Well, this is the problem innit. I've been trying to figure out why
Bush can't admit to any mistakes. And what I've come up with is that
he really does believe that he is an instrument of God's will or
perhaps he even believes that God is personally telling him what to
do. (I also can't help but wonder, if that is the case, if God doesn't
sound alot like Dick Cheney's voice coming over a teensy weensy
speaker). And of course since God can't be wrong therefore G.W. Bush
can't be wrong either.

g.c.

It must be lonely belonging to a club with only two members and one of
the members speaks Latin and Polish better than he does English.

We know where your diapers are, too, George...

The Cabal

WATCH OUT FOR THE GIRAFFES!


Oh I get it. Sorry, I made a mistake (See I can do it, why can't
Bush?).

Why should he (or Kerry, either)? It would do no good, but it could do harm.

I made a smilification error. After "I also can't help but
wonder, if that is the case, if God doesn't sound alot like Dick
Cheney's voice coming over a teensy weensy speaker" I should have put
a " ;^) ". No Ricardo, I don't really believe that Dick has implanted
a teeny tiny speaker in George B's ear. That was a funny image that
occured to me.
.

But really, I do wonder if G.B. thinks he is exercising
God's Will and therefore thinks all his actions are unassailable.

IMO, "yes" to the former and "no" to the latter, but not "yes" to extent that
you seem to imply. I think he is an honestly religious man and believes that on
some level, everything is God's will, but I don't think he thinks he has been
somehow singularly "anointed." I, myself, am not particularly religious, but
I'd much rather have a man with Bush's beliefs than a man with none at all - as
always, YMMV.

TC,
R

But the trouble is that that his refusal to admit to *any* mistakes
comes across as being borderline pathological. It seems to me that he
would gain in stature, not lessen it, by identifying where mistakes
were made and then pointing out how he's learned from them. Thereby he
will be able to avoid repeating them in the future.

My major qualm concerning this issue is that far from his "no
mistakes" being a campaign ploy to show him as a strong leader, it may
be an actual reflection of his view of himself, the world and his
place in it.


g.c.

Terrorists on ROFF?
 

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:26:26 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:45:51 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:09:21 GMT,
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:35:11 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:


Well, this is the problem innit. I've been trying to figure out why
Bush can't admit to any mistakes. And what I've come up with is that
he really does believe that he is an instrument of God's will or
perhaps he even believes that God is personally telling him what to
do. (I also can't help but wonder, if that is the case, if God doesn't
sound alot like Dick Cheney's voice coming over a teensy weensy
speaker). And of course since God can't be wrong therefore G.W. Bush
can't be wrong either.

g.c.

It must be lonely belonging to a club with only two members and one of
the members speaks Latin and Polish better than he does English.

We know where your diapers are, too, George...

The Cabal

WATCH OUT FOR THE GIRAFFES!


Oh I get it. Sorry, I made a mistake (See I can do it, why can't
Bush?).

Why should he (or Kerry, either)? It would do no good, but it could do harm.

I made a smilification error. After "I also can't help but
wonder, if that is the case, if God doesn't sound alot like Dick
Cheney's voice coming over a teensy weensy speaker" I should have put
a " ;^) ". No Ricardo, I don't really believe that Dick has implanted
a teeny tiny speaker in George B's ear. That was a funny image that
occured to me.
.

But really, I do wonder if G.B. thinks he is exercising
God's Will and therefore thinks all his actions are unassailable.

IMO, "yes" to the former and "no" to the latter, but not "yes" to extent that
you seem to imply. I think he is an honestly religious man and believes that on
some level, everything is God's will, but I don't think he thinks he has been
somehow singularly "anointed." I, myself, am not particularly religious, but
I'd much rather have a man with Bush's beliefs than a man with none at all - as
always, YMMV.

TC,
R

But the trouble is that that his refusal to admit to *any* mistakes
comes across as being borderline pathological. It seems to me that he
would gain in stature, not lessen it, by identifying where mistakes
were made and then pointing out how he's learned from them. Thereby he
will be able to avoid repeating them in the future.

My major qualm concerning this issue is that far from his "no
mistakes" being a campaign ploy to show him as a strong leader, it may
be an actual reflection of his view of himself, the world and his
place in it.


g.c.

Terrorists on ROFF?
 

wrote in message
...

I, myself, am not particularly religious, but
I'd much rather have a man with Bush's beliefs than a man with none at
all - as
always, YMMV.


Why is that? Is there some assumption that a religious person has some sort
of Moral Compass that a non-religious president would lack? Or that a
religious president is less likely to be extemist or something? I think both
of those perspectives have been borne out to be very false over history...

It has always amazed me that non-religious Americans would want as their CIC
and President someone who professes to believe in an invisible, supernatural
being with whom he can talk and who gives him instructions for his actions.
(To the non-religious, thats how it must look.) To them, that would be a
character flaw, not a desireable trait, I'd think!

--riverman

Terrorists on ROFF?
 

wrote in message
...

I, myself, am not particularly religious, but
I'd much rather have a man with Bush's beliefs than a man with none at
all - as
always, YMMV.


Why is that? Is there some assumption that a religious person has some sort
of Moral Compass that a non-religious president would lack? Or that a
religious president is less likely to be extemist or something? I think both
of those perspectives have been borne out to be very false over history...

It has always amazed me that non-religious Americans would want as their CIC
and President someone who professes to believe in an invisible, supernatural
being with whom he can talk and who gives him instructions for his actions.
(To the non-religious, thats how it must look.) To them, that would be a
character flaw, not a desireable trait, I'd think!

--riverman

Terrorists on ROFF?
 

wrote in message
...

I, myself, am not particularly religious, but
I'd much rather have a man with Bush's beliefs than a man with none at
all - as
always, YMMV.


Why is that? Is there some assumption that a religious person has some sort
of Moral Compass that a non-religious president would lack? Or that a
religious president is less likely to be extemist or something? I think both
of those perspectives have been borne out to be very false over history...

It has always amazed me that non-religious Americans would want as their CIC
and President someone who professes to believe in an invisible, supernatural
being with whom he can talk and who gives him instructions for his actions.
(To the non-religious, thats how it must look.) To them, that would be a
character flaw, not a desireable trait, I'd think!

--riverman

Terrorists on ROFF?
 

George Cleveland wrote:
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:26:26 GMT, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:45:51 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:09:21 GMT,
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:35:11 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:


Well, this is the problem innit. I've been trying to figure out
why Bush can't admit to any mistakes. And what I've come up with
is that he really does believe that he is an instrument of God's
will or perhaps he even believes that God is personally telling
him what to do. (I also can't help but wonder, if that is the
case, if God doesn't sound alot like Dick Cheney's voice coming
over a teensy weensy speaker). And of course since God can't be
wrong therefore G.W. Bush can't be wrong either.

It must be lonely belonging to a club with only two members and
one of the members speaks Latin and Polish better than he does
English.

We know where your diapers are, too, George...

WATCH OUT FOR THE GIRAFFES!

Oh I get it. Sorry, I made a mistake (See I can do it, why can't
Bush?).

Why should he (or Kerry, either)? It would do no good, but it could
do harm.

I made a smilification error. After "I also can't help but
wonder, if that is the case, if God doesn't sound alot like Dick
Cheney's voice coming over a teensy weensy speaker" I should have
put a " ;^) ". No Ricardo, I don't really believe that Dick has
implanted a teeny tiny speaker in George B's ear. That was a funny
image that occured to me.

But really, I do wonder if G.B. thinks he is exercising
God's Will and therefore thinks all his actions are unassailable.

IMO, "yes" to the former and "no" to the latter, but not "yes" to
extent that you seem to imply. I think he is an honestly religious
man and believes that on some level, everything is God's will, but I
don't think he thinks he has been somehow singularly "anointed." I,
myself, am not particularly religious, but I'd much rather have a
man with Bush's beliefs than a man with none at all - as always,
YMMV.

TC,
R

But the trouble is that that his refusal to admit to *any* mistakes
comes across as being borderline pathological. It seems to me that he
would gain in stature, not lessen it, by identifying where mistakes
were made and then pointing out how he's learned from them. Thereby he
will be able to avoid repeating them in the future.

My major qualm concerning this issue is that far from his "no
mistakes" being a campaign ploy to show him as a strong leader, it may
be an actual reflection of his view of himself, the world and his
place in it.

All of what you say would be correct in "real-world every day life", but
doesn't work in the political realm. This goes to another point I made
earlier, that a "real" person, like one who admits their shortcomings or
mistakes, cannot be elected or retain a high elected office. The
opposition (either side) has teams of people looking for the Achilles'
Heel of the other. If I was running for office (not likely, for the same
reasons Wayne K. already detailed) and said I made a mistake, my side
would say exactly what you did about being able to identify mistakes and
learn from them. My opposition, however, would slam me for flip-flopping
(sound familiar?) and making the mistake in the first place. It's a
no-win move to admit a mistake within the political arena.
--
TL,
Tim
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