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"Wolfgang" wrote in news:1166135753.116029.105550
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Which philosphers would those be?


Not many modern ones, to be sure, but wouldn't this almost be a definition
of the teachings of Thomas Aquinas, esp. the Quinquae Viae (Or is that the
harpoon guy with facial tattoos in Moby Dick?)

I'd also throw in a bunch of Natural Philosophers of the Neoplatonist
schools of thought. Let's say Hermes Trimestigus, for example (largely
because I really like saying "Trimestigus"). This school brought us
wonderful "sciences", such as alchemy, and kabbalism, and IIRC, wonderful
things like anatomy and embryology came out of the Neoplatist tradition of
learning through experiencing God. I think even Vesalius threw in with
these guys.

It's a legitimate argument that up until around Darwin, there was always a
component of science that specialized in defining man with relation to God.
Science and religion
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wrote:
......one of the particularly funny things about this topic
IMO is that it is feasible for "God" to have designed a system in which
evolution could and did occur, set things into motion, taken off what
I'm fairly sure would have to be some really bitchin' Tevas, feet on the
coffee table, and kicked back with some popcorn and a beer to watch what
happened. It's not likely, but it's possible.

AAAAAHHHHH!

You wait.....and you wait.....and you wait......and sometimes it never
comes.

But when it does....!!!!

Wolfgang
and some of you people STILL think this **** for brains is just a
troll?!! :)

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Jonathan Cook wrote:
Scott Seidman wrote:


I have no trouble teaching children these beliefs in the proper context,
which is in a framework of comparative religion, social studies, or history
of science. I have tremendous issues with teaching faith as science.


Most of this thread isn't showing up on my server, so this
is the best jumping in point that I could find.

Philosophers do not find the foundations of science and faith
all that different. Science has shown itself spectacularly
capable of declaring "truths" it later shows are false, and
thus science is as much founded on _belief_ as faith is. Sure,
I _believe_ science is making much progress in discovering
objective truth(*), but the next scientific revolution might
shatter my notions of scientific "fact". Understanding what is
NOT scientifically knowable is just as important as understanding
what is...

Jon.
(*): Stating that there even _is_ objective truth is yet
another belief. The existence or not of objective truth is
one of those things not scientifically knowable.


ok...much more of this **** and i'm cutting my wrists with occam's
razor... :)

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Wolfgang
and some of you people STILL think this **** for brains is just a
troll?!! :)

And yet hear you are! :~^ )

Op --the TROLL seer--

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In article ,
says...
wrote in news:r2l3o25414livafcuqmim430el4mqeupiv@
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God, real or otherwise

Of course, all us Fortran guys know God is real, unless specifically
declared integer.


Unless you are a polytheist, in which case God is an array.

Kevin

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Opus wrote:
"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Wolfgang
and some of you people STILL think this **** for brains is just a
troll?!! :)

And yet hear you are! :~^ )

Op --the TROLL seer--

Second best show in town......see my new thread. :)

Wolfgang
and both are still free free free!

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Opus wrote:
"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Wolfgang
and some of you people STILL think this **** for brains is just a
troll?!! :)

And yet hear you are! :~^ )

Op --the TROLL seer--

Second best show in town......see my new thread. :)

Wolfgang
and both are still free free free!

Sadly, since we lost the War Between the States, we don't have a North down
here in the South. :~^ (

Op

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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:50:25 -0500, jeff
wrote:



ok...much more of this **** and i'm cutting my wrists with occam's
razor... :)


Wouldn't work. Occam was so Catholic he once accused the pope of
being a heretic for not going to vows of poverty. Occam wouldn't let
his razor assist you in suicide.
--

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Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher, etc..
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. Really.

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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:22:57 -0600, Kevin Vang wrote:

In article ,
says...
wrote in news:r2l3o25414livafcuqmim430el4mqeupiv@
4ax.com:

God, real or otherwise

Of course, all us Fortran guys know God is real, unless specifically
declared integer.


Unless you are a polytheist, in which case God is an array.

When I was writing FORTRAN in grad school I thought God (and/or the Devil) was a
tensor.
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Charlie...
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