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Mike[_6_] March 25th, 2008 04:59 PM

Fly Tie-ers
 
On Mar 25, 4:29 pm, "JT" wrote:

You're a bitter old man Mike... It's unfortunate and I'm sorry your wife
passed on and your girl friend left you, find a new one.
You have tried to poke at Forty and get him riled up, he's not going for it.


[email protected] March 25th, 2008 05:12 PM

Fly Tie-ers
 
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:48:32 -0400, JR wrote:

JR wrote:
wrote:

Actually, as I've said before, I'm one of the few, perhaps even the
only, actual liberals around ROFF.


Gahd. I have *got* to stop reading roff before having coffee....

- JR
(back in a nonce to see what he actually wrote....)


Well, I've had three cups AND put on my glasses, and it still
says the same darn thing.

Richard, I missed the earlier posts. Could you nutshell it for
me?.... just a few bullet points (leaving Raoul out of it) to
explain how you arrived at that conclusion....


I have a sneaking suspicion that you consider yourself a real liberal
kinda dude, and yet, don't have the slightest clue as to what 'liberal',
'new liberal' and 'pseudoliberal' actually mean. Here's a hint: neither
Clinton, none of the dead Kennedys, LBJ, or FDR were or are _liberals_.
No silly-assed celebs supporting Hillary are _liberals_. In fact, no
Hillary supporter is a true, actual _liberal_. While it is possible for
a _liberal_ to support Obama, there aren't going to be many of us doing
so. In fact, it would be _extremely_ difficult for any true, actual
liberal to support much of anything related to the current Democratic
Party and its main cast of characters.

I further suspect that you think it means that anyone who doesn't agree
whole-heartedly with any half-assed _new_ "liberal" or pseudoliberal
opinion that might drift through your head is an evil conservative.

So, per your request, here's yer bullet points:

1. You're wrong.
2. I'm an actual _liberal_, not a new "liberal," or worse, a
pseudoliberal.

Thanks.

JR


You're welcome,
R

Ken Fortenberry[_2_] March 25th, 2008 05:23 PM

Fly Tie-ers
 
wrote:
snip
I further suspect that you think it means that anyone who doesn't agree
whole-heartedly with any half-assed _new_ "liberal" or pseudoliberal
opinion that might drift through your head is an evil conservative.

So, per your request, here's yer bullet points:

1. You're wrong.
2. I'm an actual _liberal_, not a new "liberal," or worse, a
pseudoliberal.


Geezus, why so hostile and defensive ? It was an honest question
why not give an honest answer ?

I agree that the labels liberal and conservative have been twisted
beyond recognition in modern American usage that's why I call
myself a progressive. But I too would be interested in a power
point style answer to the question, "Why are you a liberal ?"

--
Ken Fortenberry

rw March 25th, 2008 05:25 PM

Fly Tie-ers
 
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:48:32 -0400, JR wrote:


JR wrote:

wrote:

Actually, as I've said before, I'm one of the few, perhaps even the
only, actual liberals around ROFF.

Gahd. I have *got* to stop reading roff before having coffee....

- JR
(back in a nonce to see what he actually wrote....)


Well, I've had three cups AND put on my glasses, and it still
says the same darn thing.

Richard, I missed the earlier posts. Could you nutshell it for
me?.... just a few bullet points (leaving Raoul out of it) to
explain how you arrived at that conclusion....



I have a sneaking suspicion that you consider yourself a real liberal
kinda dude, and yet, don't have the slightest clue as to what 'liberal',
'new liberal' and 'pseudoliberal' actually mean. Here's a hint: neither
Clinton, none of the dead Kennedys, LBJ, or FDR were or are _liberals_.
No silly-assed celebs supporting Hillary are _liberals_. In fact, no
Hillary supporter is a true, actual _liberal_. While it is possible for
a _liberal_ to support Obama, there aren't going to be many of us doing
so. In fact, it would be _extremely_ difficult for any true, actual
liberal to support much of anything related to the current Democratic
Party and its main cast of characters.

I further suspect that you think it means that anyone who doesn't agree
whole-heartedly with any half-assed _new_ "liberal" or pseudoliberal
opinion that might drift through your head is an evil conservative.

So, per your request, here's yer bullet points:

1. You're wrong.
2. I'm an actual _liberal_, not a new "liberal," or worse, a
pseudoliberal.


Thanks.

JR


He's right, JR. Those of us who are "pseudoliberals" are actually
conservatives. We're for conserving our environment, conserving our
armed forces, conserving our reputation in the world, and conserving
our national treasure.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Mike[_6_] March 25th, 2008 05:29 PM

Fly Tie-ers
 
On Mar 25, 6:23 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
"Why are you a liberal ?"

--
Ken Fortenberry


Why are you an ignorant bigoted arsehole?

Maybe it´s genetic?

MC

JT March 25th, 2008 05:51 PM

Fly Tie-ers
 

"Mike" wrote in message
...
On Mar 25, 4:29 pm, "JT" wrote:

You're a bitter old man Mike... It's unfortunate and I'm sorry your wife
passed on and your girl friend left you, find a new one.
You have tried to poke at Forty and get him riled up, he's not going for
it.
Move on!

If this place is soooo terrible, why don't you remove it from your news
reader and never return. If there is so much better information elsewhere,
why do you stick around.

I once enjoyed your posts, however when GG left us, you made yourself out
to
be a laughing stock. From there, you went even further down hill.

Get a grip, find something that will make you happy.

HTH,
JT


What makes you think I´m not happy, dumbo?

This is an international public newsgroup, and if you people want to
make complete arseholes of yourselves on it, it doesn´t bother me in
the slightest. I find it quite amusing on occasion.

Your opinions on what I might think, or how I might be, or your
inventive and silly phantasies regarding my life in general are
immaterial. They merely demonstrate what stupid, ignorant, and nasty
****s you are. There is no point whatever in trying to converse with
you, about fly-fishing ( assuming you ever did discuss fly-fishing),
or anything else. But poking you with a stick now and again, as one
would do with some nasty poisonous or smelly creature, is perfectly
acceptable. It serves to demontstrate to others that you should be
avoided at all costs.

Watching your antics hopefully serves to warn any sensible people off
before you assholes manage to upset or provoke them, so I suppose it
serves a useful purpose after a fashion.

Fortenberry is merely a festering septic ****bag not really worthy of
anybody´s attention, but it behooves one to point this out from time
to time. Seems you also elected to join the ranks of stupid insulting
assholes, apparently with less intelligence than a common house brick,
a penchant for practicing what you presumably imagine is amateur
psychology over the internet, on people you don´t know and never will,
and generally making yourself unpleasant.

Fortunately for you, and unfortunately for everybody else, being
nasty, ignorant, and stupid is not terminal.

To put it bluntly dumbo, I don´t give a flying **** for you or your
opinions.

MC
******************

Do you feel better, you have been waiting to get that out all week... Hope
it helped ya out.

I just find it amusing that you say you have wasted way too much time on
this NG, yet here you are? Why don't you move along?

Makes you out to be the loon you are... Find something to make your life
less miserable than it currently is...

Don't suppose this will help either,
JT



JR March 25th, 2008 06:05 PM

Fly Tie-ers
 
wrote:

I have a sneaking suspicion that you consider yourself a real liberal
kinda dude, and yet, don't have the slightest clue as to what 'liberal',
'new liberal' and 'pseudoliberal' actually mean. Here's a hint: neither
Clinton, none of the dead Kennedys, LBJ, or FDR were or are _liberals_.
No silly-assed celebs supporting Hillary are _liberals_. In fact, no
Hillary supporter is a true, actual _liberal_. While it is possible for
a _liberal_ to support Obama, there aren't going to be many of us doing
so. In fact, it would be _extremely_ difficult for any true, actual
liberal to support much of anything related to the current Democratic
Party and its main cast of characters.

I further suspect that you think it means that anyone who doesn't agree
whole-heartedly with any half-assed _new_ "liberal" or pseudoliberal
opinion that might drift through your head is an evil conservative.

So, per your request, here's yer bullet points:

1. You're wrong.


Wrong about what? About what you *suspect* I think?

2. I'm an actual _liberal_, not a new "liberal," or worse, a
pseudoliberal.

Thanks.

JR


You're welcome,


Actually, Ken was right in that it was an honest question.

In response, though, I've only learned what only you think about
the Clintons, the Kennedys, LBJ, FDR and Obama, what you
*suspect* about me, and also that a liberal is neither a
"liberal" nor a pseudoliberal.

Again, why are you--alone on roff--a true, actual liberal?

- JR


[email protected] March 25th, 2008 06:08 PM

Fly Tie-ers
 
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:25:36 -0600, rw
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:48:32 -0400, JR wrote:


JR wrote:

wrote:

Actually, as I've said before, I'm one of the few, perhaps even the
only, actual liberals around ROFF.

Gahd. I have *got* to stop reading roff before having coffee....

- JR
(back in a nonce to see what he actually wrote....)

Well, I've had three cups AND put on my glasses, and it still
says the same darn thing.

Richard, I missed the earlier posts. Could you nutshell it for
me?.... just a few bullet points (leaving Raoul out of it) to
explain how you arrived at that conclusion....



I have a sneaking suspicion that you consider yourself a real liberal
kinda dude, and yet, don't have the slightest clue as to what 'liberal',
'new liberal' and 'pseudoliberal' actually mean. Here's a hint: neither
Clinton, none of the dead Kennedys, LBJ, or FDR were or are _liberals_.
No silly-assed celebs supporting Hillary are _liberals_. In fact, no
Hillary supporter is a true, actual _liberal_. While it is possible for
a _liberal_ to support Obama, there aren't going to be many of us doing
so. In fact, it would be _extremely_ difficult for any true, actual
liberal to support much of anything related to the current Democratic
Party and its main cast of characters.

I further suspect that you think it means that anyone who doesn't agree
whole-heartedly with any half-assed _new_ "liberal" or pseudoliberal
opinion that might drift through your head is an evil conservative.

So, per your request, here's yer bullet points:

1. You're wrong.
2. I'm an actual _liberal_, not a new "liberal," or worse, a
pseudoliberal.


Thanks.

JR


He's right, JR. Those of us who are "pseudoliberals" are actually
conservatives. We're for conserving our environment, conserving our
armed forces, conserving our reputation in the world, and conserving
our national treasure.


No, you're simply self-centered, self-absorbed, (mostly) US-centric
feel-good types who like to tell yourselves how special, wonderful, and
important you are, in part because you tell yourself you're doing all
these special, wonderful, and important things, when in fact, you're
probably doing more harm to everything you just named than any other
loosely-defined group. Here's a hint: "our," "our," "our," "our"....

But on the positive, at least you've recognized your disease and
admitted to it...now say it again, "hi, my name is Stevie, and I'm a
pseudoliberal..."

HTH,
R

[email protected] March 25th, 2008 10:57 PM

Fly Tie-ers
 
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:46:34 -0600, rw
wrote:

wrote:
On 25 Mar 2008 21:53:56 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:


wrote in news:3mbiu3d98vf3bdg3k7t2t0ko0c2pjduh3f@
4ax.com:


2. I'm an actual _liberal_, not a new "liberal," or worse, a
pseudoliberal.

There seems to be a new trend for libertarians to claim the original
liberal stamp. Just because someone might believe that poor people should
have all the freedom they need to starve in the street doesn't make someone
liberal.



I am not, nor do I claim to be, a libertarian, either in practice or by
claiming the title of a liberal (or otherwise), because libertarians
aren't liberals, regardless of the error _some_ libertarians make in
claiming so.

My suggestion is that anyone interested in actual liberalism do some
reading about it. If you form the opinion that I am not a liberal, or
that I am a libertarian, you are certainly entitled to be as wrong as
you wish.

Further, I am not suggesting that being a liberal is the best thing to
be, only that it is the thing that I am and that I've seen little
evidence that many (or even any) around ROFF share that title. I do,
however, seen daily evidence that many around ROFF are "new liberals"
and pseudoliberals - neither are actual liberals.

HTH,
R


Just drop it. Nobody gives a **** what you are, anyway.


Mumsie does, and she's always got a pocket full of COOKIES!!!! Well,
that, and she keeps a well-stocked bar, too...

HTH,
R
....oh, and she has never been a failed innertube model in Ketchum, Jr.,
either...

Tom Littleton March 25th, 2008 11:05 PM

Fly Tie-ers
 

"Mike" wrote in message
...

Incidentally, calling me a "loon" or various other silly names is
quite pointless, as I am quite obviously nothing of the sort. You on
the other hand are quite obviously a ****bag dumbo, and rather stupid
to boot.



well, as long as nobody calls you 'pleasant', I won't object, ok?
Tom




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