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On Apr 25, 10:17 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message

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On Apr 25, 8:26 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message

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On Apr 24, 8:18 am, Conan The Librarian wrote:
Halfordian Golfer wrote:
What?

So you been doing any subsistence fishing recently?

Chuck Vance

Yes.

Onion encrusted grouper 4/22/08 (Newcastles)
Mahi Mahi topped with crab sauce and finished in the broiler 4/23/08
(Newcastles)
Grouper in white crab sauce on spinach and rice 4/24/08 (Fosters)

Ah, raping the streams AND all the oceans of the world. You ever wonder
where guilt comes from?

I thank The Creator for the blessings and bounty of this earth.

You're welcome.

Your pal,

You're a liar.

Halfordian Golfer

Cretin.

Wolfgang

1) So, when you eat...are you "raping the earth"?

No.

2) I always sign you pal in remembrance of Norman Mclean's "Logging
and Pimping and Your Pal Jim" (and also in deference to the ROFF credo
that, no matter what, we always end the day as friends.

Time of day is irrelevant. You are no one's friend here. This forum is, by
and large, composed of thoughtful individuals who have, to one degree or
another, satisfied the bare minimum requirements of an ethical
consciousness......something that will forever be beyond your understanding,
let alone possession. This is the inevitable result of being a pathological
liar. You lie to yourself when you know that the truth would serve you
better.

3) The only thing you are the creator of is The King of Ad Hominem
Attacks

And who is this "King" I have created?

Your pal,

You're a liar.

Halfordian Golfer
Guilt replaced the creel.

Guilt debased the meal.

Wolfgang

I'd very much like to contribute to a useful discussion between
gentlemen that respectfully disagree but, as long as Wolfgang and
Fortenberry hurl vile and personal assaults I can not.

Halfordian Golfer

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"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message
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On Apr 25, 10:17 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message

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On Apr 25, 8:26 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message

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On Apr 24, 8:18 am, Conan The Librarian wrote:
Halfordian Golfer wrote:
What?

So you been doing any subsistence fishing recently?

Chuck Vance

Yes.

Onion encrusted grouper 4/22/08 (Newcastles)
Mahi Mahi topped with crab sauce and finished in the broiler 4/23/08
(Newcastles)
Grouper in white crab sauce on spinach and rice 4/24/08 (Fosters)

Ah, raping the streams AND all the oceans of the world. You ever
wonder
where guilt comes from?

I thank The Creator for the blessings and bounty of this earth.

You're welcome.

Your pal,

You're a liar.

Halfordian Golfer

Cretin.

Wolfgang

1) So, when you eat...are you "raping the earth"?

No.

2) I always sign you pal in remembrance of Norman Mclean's "Logging
and Pimping and Your Pal Jim" (and also in deference to the ROFF credo
that, no matter what, we always end the day as friends.

Time of day is irrelevant. You are no one's friend here. This forum is,
by
and large, composed of thoughtful individuals who have, to one degree or
another, satisfied the bare minimum requirements of an ethical
consciousness......something that will forever be beyond your
understanding,
let alone possession. This is the inevitable result of being a
pathological
liar. You lie to yourself when you know that the truth would serve you
better.

3) The only thing you are the creator of is The King of Ad Hominem
Attacks

And who is this "King" I have created?

Your pal,

You're a liar.

Halfordian Golfer
Guilt replaced the creel.

Guilt debased the meal.

Wolfgang

I'd very much like to contribute to a useful discussion between
gentlemen that respectfully disagree

You're a liar. Not that it matters much in the instant case because you
have demonstrated for years on end that your monominiacal obsession with
your own guilt and absolute indifference to the sensibilities of your moral
and intellectual superiors precludes "useful discussion." An astonishing
native stupidity, to which your ignorance of what "gentlemen" means may be
ascribed, would also be enough, but it need not be considered here as the
first reason listed above is more than sufficient.

but, as long as Wolfgang and
Fortenberry hurl vile and personal assaults I can not.

And yet, here you are.

Halfordian Golfer

Moron.

Wolfgang

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:13:41 -0500, Conan The Librarian
wrote:

Halfordian Golfer wrote:

On Apr 25, 8:02 am, Conan The Librarian wrote:

You don't know what "subsistence fishing" means.

I thank The Creator for the blessings and bounty of this earth.

You had any chats with "The Creator" recently?

We all eat Chuck. Some augment our diet with fishing and hunting. We
subsist.

We all eat. We all (in this group) fish for sport. Some of us keep
some of the fish we catch. We all subsist, but none of us "fish for
subsistence"

Those who keep the fish and in any way utilize the fish, either directly
through eating it, or in any way derive indirect sustenance from the
fish, are subsistence fishers, under one or more definition(s) of the
word. And at least an argument could be made that anyone who catches
fish is, at least indirectly, a "subsistence fisher."

You seem intent on trying to fool yourself into thinking you are
carrying on in some noble caveman tradition by "fishing for subsistence".

Well, now, that's just silly...how could cavemen fish? I mean, no Simms
waders, no G.Sage Winston rods, no Orvis, no TU, no redfish gloves (even
the wrong color), no cute little floaties, no nothing...but I'll bet if
they could have, if anyone had suggested that they release the fish,
they'd have hit 'em right slap in the mouth...

You're not.

What?

Yes.

No.

So is "The Creator" a male or female? Did he/she tell you to carry
on this silly charade or did you come up with it on your own?


Chuck Vance (a messianic complex runs through it)

HTH,
R
I can hardly wait until someone else realizes that something entirely
different runs through it...

I need help.
 

Halfordian Golfer wrote:

On Apr 25, 9:13 am, Conan The Librarian wrote:

So is "The Creator" a male or female? Did he/she tell you to carry
on this silly charade or did you come up with it on your own?

Chuck Vance (a messianic complex runs through it)

Interesting. I never even considered the relationship or possibility
that C&R was an atheistic endeavour until now.

Of course there is no relationship whatsoever, but if it makes you
feel even more holier-than-thou, please feel free to add that delusion
to the list.

Yes, I believe in a Creator and yes I believe in giving thanks and
blessings for the bounty of this earth. Is that something for you to
find fault in too?

Funny you should choose the words "find fault", as you are the one
who started this whole lovefest with your slam at the poster who asked
for advice in the first place.

But, on to your question: I am dubious of those who claim to carry
on personal chat sessions with a being that by its very nature would be
unknowable on a personal level.

And I am especially wary of those who carry on crusades (pun
intended) in the name of said being.

But please do carry on.


Chuck Vance (next thing you know, you'll be saying gawd told you
to kill all those fish)

I need help.
 

Halfordian Golfer wrote:

I'd very much like to contribute to a useful discussion between
gentlemen that respectfully disagree but, as long as Wolfgang and
Fortenberry hurl vile and personal assaults I can not.

There hasn't been anything "useful" in your periodic trolls
here in years. Your personal philosophy, religion, dementia,
whatever you want to call it prohibits you from "playing with
your food" as you call it. And yet you continue to do it.
That is an indication that you do not have the courage of
your convictions and that you are a man of poor spirit.

Either quit fishing altogether or shut the **** up troll boy.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:13:41 -0500, Conan The Librarian
wrote:

Halfordian Golfer wrote:

On Apr 25, 8:02 am, Conan The Librarian wrote:

You don't know what "subsistence fishing" means.

I thank The Creator for the blessings and bounty of this earth.

You had any chats with "The Creator" recently?

We all eat Chuck. Some augment our diet with fishing and hunting. We
subsist.

We all eat. We all (in this group) fish for sport. Some of us keep
some of the fish we catch. We all subsist, but none of us "fish for
subsistence"

Those who keep the fish and in any way utilize the fish, either directly
through eating it, or in any way derive indirect sustenance from the
fish, are subsistence fishers, under one or more definition(s) of the
word. And at least an argument could be made that anyone who catches
fish is, at least indirectly, a "subsistence fisher."

Wow. Is there ANYTHING......anything at all......that you know virtually
nothing about? I mean, looking at either the breadth or the depth of your
ignorance (let alone your glee in displaying them) is enough to inspire awe,
but in combination they are truly breathtaking.

You seem intent on trying to fool yourself into thinking you are
carrying on in some noble caveman tradition by "fishing for subsistence".

Well, now, that's just silly...how could cavemen fish? I mean, no Simms
waders, no G.Sage Winston rods, no Orvis, no TU, no redfish gloves (even
the wrong color), no cute little floaties, no nothing...but I'll bet if
they could have, if anyone had suggested that they release the fish,
they'd have hit 'em right slap in the mouth...

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You're not.

What?

Yes.

No.

So is "The Creator" a male or female? Did he/she tell you to carry
on this silly charade or did you come up with it on your own?


Chuck Vance (a messianic complex runs through it)

HTH,
R
I can hardly wait until someone else realizes that something entirely
different runs through it...

One can hardly help but be amused by anything that juxtaposes anything
concerning.....or emanating from.....you and the word "runs."

Wolfgang

I need help.
 

I need help.
 

"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message
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On Apr 24, 11:17 am, "JT" wrote:
"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message

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LOL. And you call me a troll.

OBROFF: I'd still like to hear from the original author what he meant
by "hating to see bait fishermen with stringers of dead fish". I might
owe him an apology and you know I'd rather crap glass from a broken
shiner bock bottle.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer

Putting words in peoples mouth again eh? He said nothing about dead
fish...

The OP's original post:
"I have been out FF four times so far this year. Today I was at the Black
River in Hackelbarney. I have not had any luck yet. I used GRHE,Pheasant
Tail,Royal Coachman Wet, and a Adams dry. I used a 7.5 to 9 FT leader
including tippit( both 4X). The thing that I hate is I see bait guys
with a stringer full of fish.This is basically my second season FF. Is
my lack of success normal. I am tying my own flies, but do buy
sometimes. I dont know what else to try. Any suggestions?"

You misunderstood what he was saying. Do as you will, however I would
suggest you go crap some glass...

Good luck with those demons,
JT
Catch & Release fishing is a conservation effort to protect stream
viability for the future generations, while enjoying the sport of
fishing.

JT

If you're going to debate please try to keep up.

The quote was from the "original author" of this thread and was quoted
exactly as typed. I asked him for clarification and he did NOT
respond.

I'll ask again right now: Tim - when you said you hated to see "bait
fishermen with stringers of dead fish" what did you mean.

I suggest you keep up...

That is not what he said. You are wrong, admit it...

Here is the "Original authors" first post, it said nothing about *dead
fish*...

******
"I have been out FF four times so far this year. Today I was at the Black
River in Hackelbarney. I have not had any luck yet. I used GRHE,Pheasant
Tail,Royal Coachman Wet, and a Adams dry. I used a 7.5 to 9 FT leader
including tippit( both 4X). The thing that I hate is I see bait guys
with a stringer full of fish.This is basically my second season FF. Is
my lack of success normal. I am tying my own flies, but do buy
sometimes. I dont know what else to try. Any suggestions?"


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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:35:48 -0500, Conan The Librarian
wrote:

wrote:

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:13:41 -0500, Conan The Librarian
wrote:

We all eat. We all (in this group) fish for sport. Some of us keep
some of the fish we catch. We all subsist, but none of us "fish for
subsistence"

Those who keep the fish and in any way utilize the fish, either directly
through eating it, or in any way derive indirect sustenance from the
fish, are subsistence fishers, under one or more definition(s) of the
word. And at least an argument could be made that anyone who catches
fish is, at least indirectly, a "subsistence fisher."

Only if you want to stretch the meaning of the word "subsistence" so
much as to make it meaningless. We are sport fishermen who keep some of
what we catch.

What's to stretch?

"a source or means of obtaining the necessities of life"

I'd offer that it isn't stretching anything to say that food is a
necessity of life, and catching fish is certainly a means to obtain
food. I suspect you have couched your own definition in terms of
necessity, but such qualifiers aren't part of it. Further, I'd offer
that many people I know, myself included, are "subsistence fishers" (and
hunters) because that fishing and hunting is the most practical source
of much of that for which we fish and hunt.

Using your logic, an argument could be made that I am a "subsistence
golfer" if I make money from betting on games with my friends and buy
food with that money.

Depending on the exact circumstances, using the definition of the word,
too...

Chuck Vance (a water hazard runs through it)

A river of horse****, too...

HTH,
R

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:35:48 -0500, Conan The Librarian
wrote:

wrote:

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:13:41 -0500, Conan The Librarian
wrote:

We all eat. We all (in this group) fish for sport. Some of us keep
some of the fish we catch. We all subsist, but none of us "fish for
subsistence"

Those who keep the fish and in any way utilize the fish, either directly
through eating it, or in any way derive indirect sustenance from the
fish, are subsistence fishers, under one or more definition(s) of the
word. And at least an argument could be made that anyone who catches
fish is, at least indirectly, a "subsistence fisher."

Only if you want to stretch the meaning of the word "subsistence" so
much as to make it meaningless. We are sport fishermen who keep some of
what we catch.

What's to stretch?

"a source or means of obtaining the necessities of life"

I'd offer that it isn't stretching anything to say that food is a
necessity of life, and catching fish is certainly a means to obtain
food. I suspect you have couched your own definition in terms of
necessity, but such qualifiers aren't part of it. Further, I'd offer
that many people I know, myself included, are "subsistence fishers" (and
hunters) because that fishing and hunting is the most practical source
of much of that for which we fish and hunt.

Using your logic, an argument could be made that I am a "subsistence
golfer" if I make money from betting on games with my friends and buy
food with that money.

Depending on the exact circumstances, using the definition of the word,
too...

Chuck Vance (a water hazard runs through it)

A river of horse****, too...

One is almost tempted to admire your capacity to invite and absorb
punishment unfazed. But then one remembers that you have no idea of what
the bleeding signifies. :)

Wolfgang