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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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Pharmacies: Not any more. There's no such thing (around here) as a
locally owned pharmacy.

And why do you thing that is? The last indep. pharmacy I remember around
here was the Village Drugstore in Pittsford, closed about five years ago.
As my dad spent his life as a pharmacist, he had a chat with the owner of
that store, and what do you think he had to say?

Scott, it may not be as simple as "Wegman's killed pharmacies". 30 years
ago, most couples consisted of a husband who went to work, and a wife who
had plenty of spare time to run errands. Shopping at various places wasn't a
big deal for someone with 40 hours a week on her hands. Those days are gone.
This is why drug stores and gas stations sell groceries, and grocery stores
sell drugs. The one stop thing is here to stay. I don't think it's due to
unfairly competitive intentions on the part of a grocery store, but a
reaction to the evolution of the family.

Incidentally, in smaller towns, pharmacies were always places which carried
more than just drugs.


Video rental: No locally owned stores left. And, Wegman's is
definitely NOT the source of Blockbuster's problems. NetFlix - that's
their competition.

Netflix is the big problem today, but independent stores still exist, and
have been only borderline viable since way before netflix. Try Hyatt's
Classic Video in Piano Works in East Rochester. It's really a great
local resource. According to that guy, there are still four or five
independent vid stores around, and all having some measure of trouble (at
least those that don't go X).

There'd have to a hell of a good reason to drive from Irondequoit to E.
Rochester for a video store, considering the price of gasoline. :-)


Pet stores: No locally owned stores left, except for one whose main
business is tropical fish, and they're doing serious business, since
nobody else in town knows what they're talking about in that segment.


There are even some good chain-type pet stores known for their fish. One
in Greece comes to mind.

It's still there, eh? The only one I was aware of was the small-ish place on
Ridge Road in Webster.


Restaurants: Don't be silly. :-)

That one was a stretch. We have more restaurants per capita than I can
understand.

"Welcome to Australian Eskimo Astronaut Canoe Villa Linguini. My name's
Susie and I'll be your server tonight."

(Who gives a f..k. Bring the cocktails!)


Scott

Any relation to Warren?

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"If you lie down with dogs, you'll wake up with fleas"
Stan Gula

I've been told by a friend, who has no quarrel with Walmart, that one may
also purchase anti-flea powders, sprays, and collars at the same time one
purchases sub-standard clothing. He made no comment as to the quality of
the anti-flea items.

I will continue to avoid shopping or any other activity at Walmart as long
as is humanly possible.
Blessed St. Liebowitz, protect us from Walmart!
--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Dark Star

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
.4...


Pharmacies: Not any more. There's no such thing (around here) as a
locally owned pharmacy.

And why do you thing that is? The last indep. pharmacy I remember
around here was the Village Drugstore in Pittsford, closed about five
years ago. As my dad spent his life as a pharmacist, he had a chat
with the owner of that store, and what do you think he had to say?

Scott, it may not be as simple as "Wegman's killed pharmacies". 30
years ago, most couples consisted of a husband who went to work, and a
wife who had plenty of spare time to run errands. Shopping at various
places wasn't a big deal for someone with 40 hours a week on her
hands. Those days are gone. This is why drug stores and gas stations
sell groceries, and grocery stores sell drugs. The one stop thing is
here to stay. I don't think it's due to unfairly competitive
intentions on the part of a grocery store, but a reaction to the
evolution of the family.


Agreed, but I can point out that the same arguments can be made for Wal-
Mart, K-Mart, and any other huge multi-purpose store. I'm sure the Wal-
Mart guys would say that Walmart is so convenient within the context of
today's life that people are willing to pay a little more.

The same things that make Walmart work make the Wegmans superstores work.

Well, it works almost. It's still tough to find a 24-hour drugstore in the
Rochester area.

Scott

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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
:

"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
.4...


Pharmacies: Not any more. There's no such thing (around here) as a
locally owned pharmacy.

And why do you thing that is? The last indep. pharmacy I remember
around here was the Village Drugstore in Pittsford, closed about five
years ago. As my dad spent his life as a pharmacist, he had a chat
with the owner of that store, and what do you think he had to say?

Scott, it may not be as simple as "Wegman's killed pharmacies". 30
years ago, most couples consisted of a husband who went to work, and a
wife who had plenty of spare time to run errands. Shopping at various
places wasn't a big deal for someone with 40 hours a week on her
hands. Those days are gone. This is why drug stores and gas stations
sell groceries, and grocery stores sell drugs. The one stop thing is
here to stay. I don't think it's due to unfairly competitive
intentions on the part of a grocery store, but a reaction to the
evolution of the family.


Agreed, but I can point out that the same arguments can be made for Wal-
Mart, K-Mart, and any other huge multi-purpose store. I'm sure the Wal-
Mart guys would say that Walmart is so convenient within the context of
today's life that people are willing to pay a little more.

The same things that make Walmart work make the Wegmans superstores work.

Well, it works almost. It's still tough to find a 24-hour drugstore in
the
Rochester area.

Scott

CVS on Monroe, a little bit East of the 12 corners.

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"Sierra fisher" wrote in message
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Don't blame Wal-Mart for K-Mart and Rit-Aids problems. The entire chain
of
K-Mart went into bankruptcy because management didn't know what they
wanted
to do. Rit-Aid, eventhough it was started by two large drug companies,
continuously teeters on the edge of bankruptcy because drugs are a very
small part of their business, and they haven't yet firues out how to
compete
against Target, K-Mart and Wal-Mart with non-drug items. In many ways
they
are just a small Wal-Mart. and are competing with the locally owned drug
stores that were here for years.


Oddly enough the Rite Aids and one other K-mart store throughout the rest of
the town are still going fine and there are no WM's near these stores...

JT

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On 26 Apr 2004 13:17:07 -0700, (Tom Gibson) wrote:

"B J Conner" wrote in message .. .
"Thomas Gibson" wrote in message
They are extremely competitive price-wise because they don't own
billions in inventory. They are very aggressive when it comes to
negotiating with the suppliers of their merchandise. IMO, they would
prefer to sell total junk for the lowest possible price than to sell a
product of reasonable quality for an additional 5%. Kmart is slightly
better when it comes to quality on many items. Target is better yet
(quality-wise) but has an anti-gun/hunting/fishing stance I don't care
for.

Wher did I miss the anti-fishing hunting thing for Target?? They sell
some fishing equipment here, some camping stuff but no guns. It's not a
political thing just business. Target has the highest sales per square ft
of store space than any store in their market area. Guns take a lot of
space and don't turn over. The less time things spend in your store the
more money you make. Fishing stuff is displayed on a seasonal basis. Not
having guns tends to keep the slack jawed wall mart clientel out.

I am certain that I have read about Target's anti-consumptive outdoor
recreation (read: hunting & fishing) political leanings in more than
one publication, though a few Google searches didn't turn anything up
except for a few 'Target is anti-veteran' threads that seemed as if
they might be conspiracy theories. I wouldn't be too surprised to
learn that I was mistaken in my perception of Target's politics, but
then again I'd be equally un-surprised to learn that I was correct,
even if Target won't publicly admit it.

Target's so-called fishing selection is definitely for the casual
angler. And by casual I mean folks who buy a Barbie/Spongebob setup
for their kid and take the kid fishing at the local fee-fishing pond
three times (if the kid's lucky) in their entire life. Definitely no
guns or gun-related inventory at Target. Maybe it is a business
decision. OTOH, maybe not.

If Target's objective is to reduce the slack-jawed population in their
stores, they're failing miserably here in central PA. Then again, if
it weren't for the slack-jawed there might not be *any* population in
central PA.

Tom G
hopefully not-too-slack-jawed in central PA


None of the Targets I've ever been in has a sporting goods counter.
Its impossible to sell guns without the terminals etc. that go along
with completing the paperwork. I know the Dayton family who owns
Target are big donors to the Nature Conservancy. One of the Dayton's
(Mark) who is in the Senate, has a pretty good environmental voting
record. Targets have always struck me as being a more urban oriented
discounter than Wally World.


g.c.

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"Sierra fisher" wrote in message
...

Don't blame Wal-Mart for K-Mart and Rit-Aids problems.


Some bed time reading to further my point about this giant...
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

And, one for the good guy!
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1e12golds.html

JT

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Targets not anti vetran. Do a google search on urband legends and urband
legends. Some hayseed in an Indiana VFW started it.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...t-veterans.htm
Guns are hard to sell and take up floor space. You can make a lot more
money selling cloths maed in Bangladesh to teen agers than you ever could
selling guns.
There's also competion. The largest seller of guns and shooting supplies in
Oregon is BiMart. They have maby 700 or 800 square ft dedicated to
shooting. You can go in and see the same gun there for months.
Target may be anti-hunting but I've never seen a word about it any of their
publications,
Your right about their fishing tackle, mostly it's limited to what dad may
wonder over and by while he's waiting for mom to get underware for the kids.

"Tom Gibson" wrote in message
om...
"B J Conner" wrote in message
.. .
"Thomas Gibson" wrote in message
They are extremely competitive price-wise because they don't own
billions in inventory. They are very aggressive when it comes to
negotiating with the suppliers of their merchandise. IMO, they would
prefer to sell total junk for the lowest possible price than to sell a
product of reasonable quality for an additional 5%. Kmart is slightly
better when it comes to quality on many items. Target is better yet
(quality-wise) but has an anti-gun/hunting/fishing stance I don't care
for.

Wher did I miss the anti-fishing hunting thing for Target?? They sell
some fishing equipment here, some camping stuff but no guns. It's not
a
political thing just business. Target has the highest sales per square
ft
of store space than any store in their market area. Guns take a lot of
space and don't turn over. The less time things spend in your store the
more money you make. Fishing stuff is displayed on a seasonal basis.
Not
having guns tends to keep the slack jawed wall mart clientel out.

I am certain that I have read about Target's anti-consumptive outdoor
recreation (read: hunting & fishing) political leanings in more than
one publication, though a few Google searches didn't turn anything up
except for a few 'Target is anti-veteran' threads that seemed as if
they might be conspiracy theories. I wouldn't be too surprised to
learn that I was mistaken in my perception of Target's politics, but
then again I'd be equally un-surprised to learn that I was correct,
even if Target won't publicly admit it.

Target's so-called fishing selection is definitely for the casual
angler. And by casual I mean folks who buy a Barbie/Spongebob setup
for their kid and take the kid fishing at the local fee-fishing pond
three times (if the kid's lucky) in their entire life. Definitely no
guns or gun-related inventory at Target. Maybe it is a business
decision. OTOH, maybe not.

If Target's objective is to reduce the slack-jawed population in their
stores, they're failing miserably here in central PA. Then again, if
it weren't for the slack-jawed there might not be *any* population in
central PA.

Tom G
hopefully not-too-slack-jawed in central PA

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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:57:29 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:


None of the Targets I've ever been in has a sporting goods counter.
Its impossible to sell guns without the terminals etc. that go along
with completing the paperwork. I know the Dayton family who owns
Target are big donors to the Nature Conservancy. One of the Dayton's
(Mark) who is in the Senate, has a pretty good environmental voting
record. Targets have always struck me as being a more urban oriented
discounter than Wally World.

Target used to have guns. I could even point to the place in the
store that we were previously local to (bad grammar. Sorry) where
they were kept. I don't recall when they went away. They were there
more than 30 years ago when it opened and for some time thereafter.
Then the pharmacy was in the west half of the gun space, toiletries
and camera stuff in the east half and the sporting goods that remained
(tents, some rods, etc..) moved to the back of the store. I noticed
about 10 years ago that the guns hadn't moved along. This means that
they could have been gone for as much as 25 years. I tend to only
notice things are missing if I'm looking for them. I don't recall if
they ever had hand guns. I rather doubt it.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:53:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


CVS on Monroe, a little bit East of the 12 corners.


Where is the 12 corners ?

Junction of Monroe, Winton and Elmwood, in Brighton. Easiestest landmark to
spot, if traffic keeps you from investigating street signs: Sunoco Station.