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Dave LaCourse wrote:
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It is sad,
however, that it had to be made public, embarrassing both Warren and
me.

It's not you two who are being embarrassed.
--
TL,
Tim
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
snip
It is sad,
however, that it had to be made public, embarrassing both Warren and
me.

It's not you two who are being embarrassed.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
riverman writes:

.rejecting some
locale because its 'too easy' or the 'fish are ugly' smacks of elitism.

No elitism involved, Myron. The fish in the Kiddie Hole are so beat up
that I
know if you caught one, you would feel the same as I do. I am talking
about a
good size rainbow (17 inches) that comes in like a rag doll. When you
see its
mouth, all scarred with open sores, if you don't condemn fishing there,
then
you have no heart. You might as well use a net to catch these fish
because
catching them on a fly rod ain't sport.


Well, yes and no. I'm a bit embarassed to admit it on roff (well, not all
that embarassed, I guess) but I got skunked on the Juan my first and third
day. Like I tell my Calculus kids; its simple if you know how, impossible if
you don't. For them who know the Juan, catching footballs there is
apparently trivial, as folks tell tales of hundreds of fish a day. I saw
some absolute newbies under the tutelage of a guide hauling out big fish
with every drift. It was humilating, but then again, what did *they* learn,
except how to catch fish on the Juan?

However, not knowing that you needed submicroscopic nymphs, where the 'hot
spots' were, what the local technique was, or where the 'better' fish were
merely meant that I had a great day fishing and figuring it out for myself,
which is what I like best about fishing. Personally, I hate things that
become 'popular' because all sorts of stupid artificial rules start coming
in. Suddenly, certain gear is de rigeur, other gear is 'square' or 'old
fashioned'. Even in the non fishing world, I hate that ****. Gotta have the
right shoes, the right haircut, the right car, gotta live in the right
neighborhood. Hey, its still rock-and-roll to me, I'd rather live my own
life.

Anyway, I doubt that I will ever fish the San Juan again. Too much 'local
knowledge' which tries to invalidate self-discovery. When Willi spent a day
figuring out how to catch those fat browns in that pond, he was fishing.
Anyone who spends a day figuring out how to catch the fish on the Juan is
considered a loser, especially if they fish the Kiddie Pool. Or shuffle
their feet, or cast nymphs behind them. Screw it, too many rules to that
place.

--riverman

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
riverman writes:

.rejecting some
locale because its 'too easy' or the 'fish are ugly' smacks of elitism.

No elitism involved, Myron. The fish in the Kiddie Hole are so beat up
that I
know if you caught one, you would feel the same as I do. I am talking
about a
good size rainbow (17 inches) that comes in like a rag doll. When you
see its
mouth, all scarred with open sores, if you don't condemn fishing there,
then
you have no heart. You might as well use a net to catch these fish
because
catching them on a fly rod ain't sport.


Well, yes and no. I'm a bit embarassed to admit it on roff (well, not all
that embarassed, I guess) but I got skunked on the Juan my first and third
day. Like I tell my Calculus kids; its simple if you know how, impossible if
you don't. For them who know the Juan, catching footballs there is
apparently trivial, as folks tell tales of hundreds of fish a day. I saw
some absolute newbies under the tutelage of a guide hauling out big fish
with every drift. It was humilating, but then again, what did *they* learn,
except how to catch fish on the Juan?

However, not knowing that you needed submicroscopic nymphs, where the 'hot
spots' were, what the local technique was, or where the 'better' fish were
merely meant that I had a great day fishing and figuring it out for myself,
which is what I like best about fishing. Personally, I hate things that
become 'popular' because all sorts of stupid artificial rules start coming
in. Suddenly, certain gear is de rigeur, other gear is 'square' or 'old
fashioned'. Even in the non fishing world, I hate that ****. Gotta have the
right shoes, the right haircut, the right car, gotta live in the right
neighborhood. Hey, its still rock-and-roll to me, I'd rather live my own
life.

Anyway, I doubt that I will ever fish the San Juan again. Too much 'local
knowledge' which tries to invalidate self-discovery. When Willi spent a day
figuring out how to catch those fat browns in that pond, he was fishing.
Anyone who spends a day figuring out how to catch the fish on the Juan is
considered a loser, especially if they fish the Kiddie Pool. Or shuffle
their feet, or cast nymphs behind them. Screw it, too many rules to that
place.

--riverman

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On 18 Oct 2004 12:12:15 GMT, irate (Dave LaCourse) wrote:

riverman writes:

.rejecting some
locale because its 'too easy' or the 'fish are ugly' smacks of elitism.

No elitism involved, Myron. The fish in the Kiddie Hole are so beat up that I
know if you caught one, you would feel the same as I do.

You said you only caught one fish there, how do you know they are all beat up?
Like I said, I caught fish in what I think was the kiddie hole and *none* of
them were beat up. I don't think any of the ones Myron caught were either. I'm
sure some are, but certainly not all.
--
Charlie...

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On 18 Oct 2004 12:12:15 GMT, irate (Dave LaCourse) wrote:

riverman writes:

.rejecting some
locale because its 'too easy' or the 'fish are ugly' smacks of elitism.

No elitism involved, Myron. The fish in the Kiddie Hole are so beat up that I
know if you caught one, you would feel the same as I do.

You said you only caught one fish there, how do you know they are all beat up?
Like I said, I caught fish in what I think was the kiddie hole and *none* of
them were beat up. I don't think any of the ones Myron caught were either. I'm
sure some are, but certainly not all.
--
Charlie...

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Myron writes:

snippage

Screw it, too many rules to that
place.

What you say is true. It is a difficult river to learn by yourself. The small
nymphs work best - 20 - 24. We had the pleasure of being shown the river by an
expert, roff's own Bruce Hopper (Bruiser). He introduced me to these tiny
little nymphs that worked like a magic charm. I have used them successfully on
other rivers.

But, then again, any new river is a challenge. It takes time and experience to
know where the fish are holding, what they want, and how to get it to them. I
don't think the SJ is unique to this problem.

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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:27:17 +0100, "riverman" wrote:

However, not knowing that you needed submicroscopic nymphs,

I showed you the size nymphs Bruce provided for us to use on the 1st day, you
just didn't believe me and wanted to use your own. g
--
Charlie...

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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:27:17 +0100, "riverman" wrote:

However, not knowing that you needed submicroscopic nymphs,

I showed you the size nymphs Bruce provided for us to use on the 1st day, you
just didn't believe me and wanted to use your own. g
--
Charlie...

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rw wrote:

Warren wrote:

Dave, thanks again for getting me to Penn's. I will *always* be
grateful for you doing what you did and the thought of your deeds
being blasted in this forum really gives me a case of the red ass.


In that case, you shouldn't have bitched about it in earshot of a
half-dozen people.'


That was an "off ROFF" personal conversation like you pointed out to me
about a post I made that mentioned you.

Willi