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asadi.... November 5th, 2004 05:39 PM

Truck Fuel economy (OT from other thread)
 
I have not doubt but that when 'they' in the tow capacity market, the mpg
will be better.

john . . .awaiting the day.
"riverman" wrote in message
...

"riverman" wrote in message
...
Is there any chance that the auto manufactures 'detune' their cars for
the
US market to lower fuel economy?? JR was commenting on not being able

to
get
a truck with better than 16 mpg around town, and I remembered my Toyota
4-Runner getting in the mid 20s at best. But I also remember my Nissan
Terrano (gas engine) I had in Latvia doing MUCH better than that, in
fact,

a
quick website shows that a Nissan Terrano II (4-wd, diesel) gets about

32
mpg, which is in the ballpark of what I remember my truck (imported

from
Germany) getting! The internet specs I found are from the UK.


http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/niss...echo=302179310

I know that the US has emissions standards, but are we certain that

this
is
all that is affecting our mileages? Most countries I know about (UK,

for
certain) are paying about $4 a gallon for fuel, so they are finding all
sorts of ways to improve mileage.

--riverman
(thinking of importing a vehicle...)


"asadi...." wrote in message
.net...
Without doing any research, do you see any correlation between towing
capacity and fuel economy?

john



Hmm, off the top of my head, I'd say that the vehicles with higher towing
capacity would almost certainly have lower fuel economy. Heavier frame,
larger engine, lower gearing. Why, are you thinking that maybe US vehicles
are designed more often to be set up for towing?

I did some more research on the Nissan Pathfinder and the Nissan Terrano.

I
already knew that they were the same vehicle, but strangely enough you
cannot get the 4-cylinder version in the US. You can get the V8 model on
this side of the pond ('overseas' to all you residents of the United

States
of Canada), but its the 4-cylinder model that gets in excess of 30 mpg.

Why
won't they sell the more efficient model in the US? Not everyone wants to
tow things around.

--riverman





asadi.... November 5th, 2004 05:39 PM

Truck Fuel economy (OT from other thread)
 
I have not doubt but that when 'they' in the tow capacity market, the mpg
will be better.

john . . .awaiting the day.
"riverman" wrote in message
...

"riverman" wrote in message
...
Is there any chance that the auto manufactures 'detune' their cars for
the
US market to lower fuel economy?? JR was commenting on not being able

to
get
a truck with better than 16 mpg around town, and I remembered my Toyota
4-Runner getting in the mid 20s at best. But I also remember my Nissan
Terrano (gas engine) I had in Latvia doing MUCH better than that, in
fact,

a
quick website shows that a Nissan Terrano II (4-wd, diesel) gets about

32
mpg, which is in the ballpark of what I remember my truck (imported

from
Germany) getting! The internet specs I found are from the UK.


http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/niss...echo=302179310

I know that the US has emissions standards, but are we certain that

this
is
all that is affecting our mileages? Most countries I know about (UK,

for
certain) are paying about $4 a gallon for fuel, so they are finding all
sorts of ways to improve mileage.

--riverman
(thinking of importing a vehicle...)


"asadi...." wrote in message
.net...
Without doing any research, do you see any correlation between towing
capacity and fuel economy?

john



Hmm, off the top of my head, I'd say that the vehicles with higher towing
capacity would almost certainly have lower fuel economy. Heavier frame,
larger engine, lower gearing. Why, are you thinking that maybe US vehicles
are designed more often to be set up for towing?

I did some more research on the Nissan Pathfinder and the Nissan Terrano.

I
already knew that they were the same vehicle, but strangely enough you
cannot get the 4-cylinder version in the US. You can get the V8 model on
this side of the pond ('overseas' to all you residents of the United

States
of Canada), but its the 4-cylinder model that gets in excess of 30 mpg.

Why
won't they sell the more efficient model in the US? Not everyone wants to
tow things around.

--riverman





Willi & Sue November 5th, 2004 06:33 PM

Truck Fuel economy (OT from other thread)
 
riverman wrote:

"riverman" wrote in message
...

Is there any chance that the auto manufactures 'detune' their cars for
the
US market to lower fuel economy??



IMO, it was idiocy to get into an armed conflict in Mideast without AT
THE SAME TIME making a STRONG, sound and long ranged plan to move our
Country (and thusly the rest of the World) away from such a heavy oil
dependence as part of the war effort. It's debatable whether the war was
"about oil" but one thing that is clear to me, is that oil money is
behind the terrorists and oil money gives them their power.

But "muscle" cars are "in" and that kind of program isn't free market
economy, so we won't
be seeing that.......

Willi



Willi & Sue November 5th, 2004 06:33 PM

Truck Fuel economy (OT from other thread)
 
riverman wrote:

"riverman" wrote in message
...

Is there any chance that the auto manufactures 'detune' their cars for
the
US market to lower fuel economy??



IMO, it was idiocy to get into an armed conflict in Mideast without AT
THE SAME TIME making a STRONG, sound and long ranged plan to move our
Country (and thusly the rest of the World) away from such a heavy oil
dependence as part of the war effort. It's debatable whether the war was
"about oil" but one thing that is clear to me, is that oil money is
behind the terrorists and oil money gives them their power.

But "muscle" cars are "in" and that kind of program isn't free market
economy, so we won't
be seeing that.......

Willi



George Adams November 5th, 2004 07:05 PM

Truck Fuel economy (OT from other thread)
 
From: Willi & Sue

IMO, it was idiocy to get into an armed conflict in Mideast without AT
THE SAME TIME making a STRONG, sound and long ranged plan to move our
Country (and thusly the rest of the World) away from such a heavy oil
dependence


One of my areas of disagreement with Bush is that he has no coherent energy
policy. Problem is neither did Kerry, and based on his record in the senate, he
was unlikely to come up with one.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller


George Adams November 5th, 2004 07:05 PM

Truck Fuel economy (OT from other thread)
 
From: Willi & Sue

IMO, it was idiocy to get into an armed conflict in Mideast without AT
THE SAME TIME making a STRONG, sound and long ranged plan to move our
Country (and thusly the rest of the World) away from such a heavy oil
dependence


One of my areas of disagreement with Bush is that he has no coherent energy
policy. Problem is neither did Kerry, and based on his record in the senate, he
was unlikely to come up with one.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller


Charlie Wilson November 5th, 2004 08:39 PM

Truck Fuel economy (OT from other thread)
 

"riverman" wrote:
I have to wonder why there isn't a demand for high economy SUVs. They

are
out there.


Had one, hated it. About four years ago, with the best of intentions, I
traded my old K5 Blazer for a Honda CRV (25ish MPG). The thing was frightful
to drive on ANY highway grade; if I got stuck behind a big rig doing 40 up a
grade, I dared not try to pass unless there was at least a 200-300 yard gap
in the left lane. I had to keep the accelerator floored (revving it to about
5800 rpm) to keep it up to 55mph on many grades posted at 75mph. I hated
being passed by sand and gravel trucks; interstate U-Haul rentals full of
migrants seemed like sports cars in comparison. Not only was it slow, it was
also unbearably noisy at highway speeds. I kept that awful pos for just over
a year, and I only kept it that long in hope that it just needed to be
"broken in".



Charlie Wilson November 5th, 2004 08:39 PM

Truck Fuel economy (OT from other thread)
 

"riverman" wrote:
I have to wonder why there isn't a demand for high economy SUVs. They

are
out there.


Had one, hated it. About four years ago, with the best of intentions, I
traded my old K5 Blazer for a Honda CRV (25ish MPG). The thing was frightful
to drive on ANY highway grade; if I got stuck behind a big rig doing 40 up a
grade, I dared not try to pass unless there was at least a 200-300 yard gap
in the left lane. I had to keep the accelerator floored (revving it to about
5800 rpm) to keep it up to 55mph on many grades posted at 75mph. I hated
being passed by sand and gravel trucks; interstate U-Haul rentals full of
migrants seemed like sports cars in comparison. Not only was it slow, it was
also unbearably noisy at highway speeds. I kept that awful pos for just over
a year, and I only kept it that long in hope that it just needed to be
"broken in".



daytripper November 5th, 2004 10:36 PM

Truck Fuel economy (OT from other thread)
 
On 05 Nov 2004 19:05:37 GMT, ojunk (George Adams) wrote:

From: Willi & Sue


IMO, it was idiocy to get into an armed conflict in Mideast without AT
THE SAME TIME making a STRONG, sound and long ranged plan to move our
Country (and thusly the rest of the World) away from such a heavy oil
dependence


One of my areas of disagreement with Bush is that he has no coherent energy
policy. Problem is neither did Kerry, and based on his record in the senate, he
was unlikely to come up with one.


Please. Just as Bush's (well, his Evil Puppet Master) can hire someone to read
grown-up stuff for him, Kerry could hire cabinet level officers to make things
work. First, you have to *want to do something*.

The sparklingly obvious difference is the former *still* doesn't think there
*is* a problem, while the latter spoke clearly and repeatedly about the need
for change and about The Current Regime's total lack of a strategy.

/daytripper ($2.50/gallon gas will have been "The Good Old Days" in 4 years)

daytripper November 5th, 2004 10:36 PM

Truck Fuel economy (OT from other thread)
 
On 05 Nov 2004 19:05:37 GMT, ojunk (George Adams) wrote:

From: Willi & Sue


IMO, it was idiocy to get into an armed conflict in Mideast without AT
THE SAME TIME making a STRONG, sound and long ranged plan to move our
Country (and thusly the rest of the World) away from such a heavy oil
dependence


One of my areas of disagreement with Bush is that he has no coherent energy
policy. Problem is neither did Kerry, and based on his record in the senate, he
was unlikely to come up with one.


Please. Just as Bush's (well, his Evil Puppet Master) can hire someone to read
grown-up stuff for him, Kerry could hire cabinet level officers to make things
work. First, you have to *want to do something*.

The sparklingly obvious difference is the former *still* doesn't think there
*is* a problem, while the latter spoke clearly and repeatedly about the need
for change and about The Current Regime's total lack of a strategy.

/daytripper ($2.50/gallon gas will have been "The Good Old Days" in 4 years)


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