"jeffc" wrote in message
m...
This is the perfect opportunity for them to become employees of the new
store, and help turn it into a fisherman-friendly one.

Go from being a low paid equity owner to low paid at will grunt, it might
happen but not quite sure that's a career path you'd want to enjoy.

"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
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If the store "sat in a fairly high traffic affluent area" and was barely
making
it then I'd say Orvis isn't their problem, it's their 'loyal' customers.


It would be if Orvis was going to cut them off for the sake of the new
store.

Stevie is closer to right, I was suprised to find one fly shop in Indy, much
less two. I do not know and will not know all the details for the decision,
with the other fly shop in town stocking almost everything else except
Orvis, there was not much of an opportunity to diversify. And while it sat
in an affluent area, it did not sit a major shopping area, unless you
consider a bunch of car dealerships a major shopping area.

How are the GA streams?

Wayne Knight wrote:
And while it sat
in an affluent area, it did not sit a major shopping area, unless you
consider a bunch of car dealerships a major shopping area.


I think that the problem is that affluent people do not have time to
fish. It used to be that "blue collar" workers worked all of the time
and "white collar" staff worked nine-to-five, now the opposite is true.
I know very few "white collar" people that work less than fifty-hours
a week--with more and more working sixty-plus! Couple the long hours
with a spouse that also works, overscheduled kids, and the exurban
three-plus acre lawn to cut + other chores, and it is not hard to see
that "affluent" people do not have time to fish!

As an aside: my twins are four years old and they can read and write
already, which I think is insane! We were informed that our children
would be behind if they had not developed basic reading and writing
skills by the time they enter kindergarten in the fall (they will not be
five years old until the fall). I guess that this stance must be part
of “No Child Left Behind.” All I can say is I am glad that I had the
opportunity to be a kid!

On Sun, 8 May 2005 21:14:48 -0500, "Wayne Knight"
wrote:

How are the GA streams?

Fishing pretty well lately, as are the ones in western NC. Some of them got a
lot of junk from last year's hurricanes.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

JR wrote in :


I'll buy beads, hooks, thread, synthetics, etc. on line, but not fur or
feathers.

If everyone thought that way, you wouldn't have brick and mortar stores to
wade through your fur and feathers

scott

Scott Seidman wrote:
JR wrote:

I'll buy beads, hooks, thread, synthetics, etc. on line, but not fur or
feathers.

If everyone thought that way, you wouldn't have brick and mortar stores to
wade through your fur and feathers

That would be true had I said "I buy". I said I will (i.e., would), not
that I always do. In practice, if the local shops happen to have the
size/model hook (or the color of thread, Krystal Flash, chenille) I'm
looking for, I'll buy it there. I often call around the local shops
(there are five in my town, six more within a 50 mile radius) to find what
I'm looking for -- if no one has it, I'll call Kaufmann's in Portland.

I've tried several times to have the two shops I most want to support
order stuff for me: with boots, waders, rods, etc., it works out fine,
but little odds and ends for tying seem to fall through the cracks in
their procurement process....

JR

In the '60s there were no fly shops to speak of in the USA.

It seems like there was one opening every month or so in the '70s, '80s and
'90s.

Now they are closing just about as fast.

By 2010 the only fly shops left will be the good destination shops that
survive selling flies and guiding.

Every major city will have several box stores like a Cabelas, Bass Pro,
Orvis, LL Bean, Sportsman's Warehouse, REI...........

Not complaining , only making a prediction from within.

Small business in America better be in your garage (with no employees) if
it's going to be around.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
...
Indianapolis had two fly shops, a well stocked multi vendor
Winston/Sage/Loomis dealer, nice folks but overall a fairly sterile and
boring shop; and an independant Orvis Dealer called Royal River. The fly
shop stuff was limited to Orvis but you could go in anytime and talk
fishing and hunting, tie flies, hang out, etc. Pretty good bunch of folks.
And it was the best place in Indy for Outdoors literature and if you were
into that stuff, Filson and Patagonia.

Royal River is no more, it sat in a fairly high traffic affluent area of
Indianapolis and it seems that Orvis is going to open a company store a
mile or so up the road. I understand business is business better than most
people, but this is not the first time I've seen them put a company store
near the location of an independent dealer who sold their stuff. The guy I
talked to told me it was the final nail in the decision to close up shop.

The company may give a lot to conservation efforts and stand behind their
wares, but IMO, woe to anyone who wants to go to bed with them in business
and develop the market.