Charlie Choc wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
I use 6X maybe twice a season.

Once in each of your two trips?

**** you, Choc.

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Ken Fortenberry

On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 20:30:34 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

I mean if you can't fish you may as
well bloviate.

Oh the irony.
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Charlie Choc wrote:

Oh the irony.

**** you, Choc.

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Ken Fortenberry

Padishar Creel wrote:
So what is the thought on fly size to tippet size, anyway? If I am throwing
a size 4 popper would I use a 1X leader/tippet? Would using a furled or
poly leader allow me to select a smaller tippet than the previously
mentioned rule?

I think, even with the ****ing contest, you have gotten some pretty
wise thoughts thrown back at you (even from the two in the ****ing
match). I would hazard a guess that the dude you were discussing the
situation with might would have *just as much success* if he lenghtened
his tippet a couple of feet or so and maybe used 5x.

And I would use a 1X for a size four popper. When I fish the hex hatch
in the upper midwest, I rarely even use a tapered leader, I tie on 5-6
feet or so of 0X to the butt end and let it fly. It's night and we're
talking size 2-6 flies.

On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 20:56:39 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Charlie Choc wrote:

Oh the irony.

**** you, Choc.

Leg humping doesn't count, 40.
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rw wrote:

It's not particularly rare at all. Water with complex braided currents
often require very fine tippets for dry-fly fishing, and quite a long
length of it to boot. It isn't the *size* of the tippet that's really
important. It's the *suppleness* of the finer tippet that allows a
drag-free drift. I usually use at least three feet of 6x or 7x in those
conditions.


At risk of getting my hand slapped for butting in so to speak, I think
there is a definite difference between western fly fishing and
midwestern/southeastern flyfishing. With the exception of the mother's
day caddis hatch on the colorado river and the few times I tossed a
streamer in the Juan and South Platte, I have never hooked a trout west
of the mississippi on any fly larger than a 20, a leader less than 12'
long, and a tippet bigger than a 6x. But I have never really fished out
west at any time other the Spring or late summer/fall when the famous
hatches have passed.

The only time I have felt the need to fish a 6x or smaller tippet east
of the mississippi have been on trico hatches in the driftless area or
midges on the southern tailwaters. I think increasing the length of the
tippet as Forty states can mimic your increased 6x-7x out east as the
bugs are bigger. So perhaps in your own little ways, both of you are,
ahem, right?

"Wayne Knight" wrote in news:1118092426.210662.74450
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

So perhaps in your own little ways, both of you are,
ahem, right?



Well, actually, if you read Ken's original reply, he basically said so long
as presentation was good, use the biggest tippet you can. He never said
that there aren't cases when using a smaller tippet would improve
presentation. He also never said rw was wrong.

Scott

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Well, OK then, you probably won't learn how to fish dry flies.
But maybe you can write a treatise on the "suppleness" of 3 ft.
of 6X versus 3 ft. of 4X. I mean if you can't fish you may as
well bloviate.

A treatise isn't necessary. Some challenging flyfishing experience and a
basic physical understanding and intuition will do. Three feet of 7x
floating on the surface is *far* more supple than three feet of 4x. This
suppleness is especially important in downstream slack-cast dry-fly
presentations in spring-creek conditions, and super especially important
when fishing for educated trout.

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Scott Seidman wrote:

Well, actually, if you read Ken's original reply, he basically said so long
as presentation was good, use the biggest tippet you can. He never said
that there aren't cases when using a smaller tippet would improve
presentation. He also never said rw was wrong.

As you say, he recommended using the thickest tippet that would fit
through the eye of the hook. Those were his words. As an experiment, I
just took a TMC 100 size 20 hook and threaded 2x (Rio Powerflex) tippet
through the eye with no problem at all. I could probably have threaded
1x through it, but I don't have any.

Does that mean Ken recommends fishing #20 dry flies with 2x tippet, even
in challenging conditions? It seems to on the face of it. Does that
sound like good advice to you?

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rw wrote:

This
suppleness is especially important in downstream slack-cast dry-fly
presentations in spring-creek conditions, and super especially important
when fishing for educated trout.

In particularly rare conditions like you describe above it
may be necessary to use long, fine tippets, but in normal,
and even tougher than normal, dry fly situations a long tippet
of 4X or 5X will usually suffice. And I would never fish a dry
fly downstream.

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Ken Fortenberry