William Claspy wrote:
On 7/13/05 8:13 PM, in article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:


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Not to mention, the Model 2000 is very affordable--only $6400. Of
course,
one will need to figure in the about a $1000 fine and a year or so
of vacation time at their favorite prison.

And if one does it in their bare feet....

one ends up doing an excellent impression of Gregory Hines.

Was installing a new ceiling light fixture last night. Didn't bother
to turn off the power at the breaker, just left the wall switch in
the "off" position. My apprentice (seven year old) was helping. I'm
pulling the wire through the slots in the back of the new box, so I
had to take the wire nuts off the bare ends. As I'm tugging on the
wires, I hear "Pop, what happens if I flip this switch...?"

Note to self. Complete instructions to apprentice before beginning
work.

Bill

(and, no, she didn't ask the question *after* flipping the switch, but
before. Nonetheless, I let go of those wires faster than a hot
potato.)

Sounds like you almost *were* a hot potato. :) Electricity scares the
hell out of me, probably because a friend of mine died in swiming pool /
electricity accident when I was a kid. As inconvenient as it is, I
always turn off the power at the breaker myself, and turn it back on
myself - no apprentice involement.
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

"Tim J." wrote in message
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William Claspy wrote:
On 7/13/05 8:13 PM, in article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:


wrote in message
oups.com...
Not to mention, the Model 2000 is very affordable--only $6400. Of
course,
one will need to figure in the about a $1000 fine and a year or so
of vacation time at their favorite prison.

And if one does it in their bare feet....

one ends up doing an excellent impression of Gregory Hines.

Was installing a new ceiling light fixture last night. Didn't bother
to turn off the power at the breaker, just left the wall switch in
the "off" position. My apprentice (seven year old) was helping. I'm
pulling the wire through the slots in the back of the new box, so I
had to take the wire nuts off the bare ends. As I'm tugging on the
wires, I hear "Pop, what happens if I flip this switch...?"

Note to self. Complete instructions to apprentice before beginning
work.

Bill

(and, no, she didn't ask the question *after* flipping the switch, but
before. Nonetheless, I let go of those wires faster than a hot
potato.)

Sounds like you almost *were* a hot potato. :) Electricity scares the
hell out of me, probably because a friend of mine died in swiming pool /
electricity accident when I was a kid. As inconvenient as it is, I
always turn off the power at the breaker myself, and turn it back on
myself - no apprentice involement.

A couple of friends of mine, a pair of brothers, and both journeymen
electricians, tell me that they rarely turn off the power when working on
household circuits. "It's just 110," they say, "it can't hurt ya."
:)

Wolfgang
evidently, 220 is another matter entirely.

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...
A couple of friends of mine, a pair of brothers, and both journeymen
electricians, tell me that they rarely turn off the power when working on
household circuits. "It's just 110," they say, "it can't hurt ya." :)

Wolfgang
evidently, 220 is another matter entirely.


As a career electrician, I generally switch off any power to devises that I
am working on. However, it isn't always possible or practical to do so. I
work with 120, 220, and 277 volts daily, and work them hot. It really
depends on the equipment that one is working on. I certainly don't like
working in a *hot* 480 volt, 3 phases switch gear, but I have in the past
and am likely to have to in the future.

120 volts make ya tingle, 277 volts make ya shake, rattle and roll, and 480
volts will fry ya crispy critter like! So I stay away from voltages above
480 volts.

Mark --who can still taste the copper from the last time he got bit by 277
volts--

Wolfgang wrote:
"Tim J." wrote in message
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William Claspy wrote:
On 7/13/05 8:13 PM, in article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:


wrote in message
oups.com...
Not to mention, the Model 2000 is very affordable--only $6400. Of
course,
one will need to figure in the about a $1000 fine and a year or so
of vacation time at their favorite prison.

And if one does it in their bare feet....

one ends up doing an excellent impression of Gregory Hines.

Was installing a new ceiling light fixture last night. Didn't bother
to turn off the power at the breaker, just left the wall switch in
the "off" position. My apprentice (seven year old) was helping. I'm
pulling the wire through the slots in the back of the new box, so I
had to take the wire nuts off the bare ends. As I'm tugging on the
wires, I hear "Pop, what happens if I flip this switch...?"

Note to self. Complete instructions to apprentice before beginning
work.

Bill

(and, no, she didn't ask the question *after* flipping the switch, but
before. Nonetheless, I let go of those wires faster than a hot
potato.)

Sounds like you almost *were* a hot potato. :) Electricity scares the
hell out of me, probably because a friend of mine died in swiming pool /
electricity accident when I was a kid. As inconvenient as it is, I
always turn off the power at the breaker myself, and turn it back on
myself - no apprentice involement.

A couple of friends of mine, a pair of brothers, and both journeymen
electricians, tell me that they rarely turn off the power when working on
household circuits. "It's just 110," they say, "it can't hurt ya."
:)

Wolfgang
evidently, 220 is another matter entirely.

Depends entirely on how *you* are grounded. Also perhaps they don't
know about that until they live long enough for their Master Electrican
tickets. :-)

DavidN

"David" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

A couple of friends of mine, a pair of brothers, and both journeymen
electricians, tell me that they rarely turn off the power when working on
household circuits. "It's just 110," they say, "it can't hurt ya."
:)

Wolfgang
evidently, 220 is another matter entirely.

Depends entirely on how *you* are grounded.

Not *me*, boss, *they*.

Also perhaps they don't
know about that until they live long enough for their Master Electrican
tickets. :-)

Jan is certainly old enough and perhaps ambitious enough (he once ran his
own electrical contracting business) to have gotten his Master's
ticket......I don't know, I never asked. Bret......well, Bret still
measures road distances in beers.

Wolfgang
who always trips all the breakers.....and shoots out the transformers down
the street.....before changing a light bulb.

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:58:02 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Cyli" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:13:54 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


wrote in message
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Not to mention, the Model 2000 is very affordable--only $6400. Of
course,
one will need to figure in the about a $1000 fine and a year or so of
vacation time at their favorite prison.

And if one does it in their bare feet....

one ends up doing an excellent impression of Gregory Hines.

Wolfgang



But very briefly...

Au contraire......for all of eternity. :)

Wolfgang


Until this I'd missed the news that he'd taken the long dirt nap.
Bummer. Great talent.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
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On 7/14/05 1:51 PM, in article , "Wolfgang"
wrote:


A couple of friends of mine, a pair of brothers, and both journeymen
electricians, tell me that they rarely turn off the power when working on
household circuits. "It's just 110," they say, "it can't hurt ya."
:)

"Here, hold my beer..."

:-)

B

In article , says...
A couple of friends of mine, a pair of brothers, and both journeymen
electricians, tell me that they rarely turn off the power when working on
household circuits. "It's just 110," they say, "it can't hurt ya."


I'm in the middle of a remodelling project at our house -- this
afternoon I'm going to finish framing up a wall, and then the next
task will be to wire up a couple light fixtures and an outlet.
If I don't post anything for the next few days, could somebody
call my next door neighbor and have him come over and check on
me?

Kevin


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reply to: kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

Kevin Vang wrote:
In article , says...
A couple of friends of mine, a pair of brothers, and both journeymen
electricians, tell me that they rarely turn off the power when
working on household circuits. "It's just 110," they say, "it can't
hurt ya."


I'm in the middle of a remodelling project at our house -- this
afternoon I'm going to finish framing up a wall, and then the next
task will be to wire up a couple light fixtures and an outlet.
If I don't post anything for the next few days, could somebody
call my next door neighbor and have him come over and check on
me?

At that stage, what would be the point? BBQ?

"Throw another Vang on the barbie, mate."
"He was a good man - even better with A-1"
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:07:43 -0400, William Claspy
wrote:

On 7/14/05 1:51 PM, in article , "Wolfgang"
wrote:


A couple of friends of mine, a pair of brothers, and both journeymen
electricians, tell me that they rarely turn off the power when working on
household circuits. "It's just 110," they say, "it can't hurt ya."
:)

"Here, hold my beer..."

I've known a few electricians who did work where I had my last job and
a couple socially. All say about the same thing. (Not the beer
thing. Not while working.) But they've got insulative soles on their
shoes, they wear gloves, and they never grab two wires at once or hold
a bare wire tightly. They all say that the worst it'll do is throw
you across the room. However, they advise non-professionals to not do
anything with a live system.

When I rewired a light fixture I had the kids out in the backyard, a
couple of flashlights propped up to where I was going to work and
every blade switch and fuse in the house out or off. And the kids had
to stay out until I got all the fuses back in and slammed the blade
switches shut and tried the light. All went well and I could see to
cook again. And the kids were happy to get back in the house.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
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