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On Mar 14, 3:52 pm, wrote:

Wrong on many counts and levels. Concrete, stone, and other "stable"
materials are useful as solar energy collectors, and they do "react" in
sunlight.

Hm.....

So, do you suppose you could possibly be any dumber? Just curious.

Ever stepped barehooved on directly-in-the-sun concrete or
asphalt in the summer?

No, my species doesn't have hooves. Looks like a personal problem to
me.

And why would you guess cities are generally
warmer than their surrounding areas?

I wouldn't. I didn't. I didn't suggest any such thing. There's
nothing in what I wrote that could possibly be construed as indicating
that I so much as considered the possiblility.

Moron.

That said, they are. So what?

Moreover, the main failure of
properly-constructed and framed solar panels, IME, is from physical
damage, not "deterioration."

Ah! And I give a **** what you think because......um......um.....help
me out here, o.k.?

I have a set of old Solarex 110s that
spend many years in the West Texas sun (on a well) and are still going
strong.

I've got a pork chop that translates from Aramaic to Urdu. You lose.

IAC, technology is vastly improving in that area, making cost
per watt cheaper and cheaper.

Watt?

Wind power is great in certain applications, but there are still
maintenance, damage, and wear issues on large systems.

No ****? Have you told GE? I think they might be interested in
something like that.

If you've ever
seen just one of the big GE blades being moved, you'd soon realize that
it ain't just a matter of crushing a few beer cans into shape and
FedEx'ing it to where it needs to go.

Oddly enough, I have NEVER seen just one of the big GE blades being
moved. All of those I've seen on trucks were in pairs, and those on
the mills (or generators or whiffle balls, if you prefer) were in
threes or fours. Lookie here now, I think I see what the problem is
down there. Find a gradutate of the southern Mississippi scholl of
law and numbres and thangs who can count to two (or more) and all your
problems should disappear right quick now, y'hear?

And wind power is both used and readily available for boats and RVs.

Well, gooooollllleeeee!

Go
into any West Marine store (or online)

No.

and for around a grand, you can get a complete set-up for such usage.

I don't want one.

With a little looking and a bit
of tinkering, most folks can come out for a lot less.

You can come out any time you want, more or less......don't mean squat
to me.

Heck, take an old windmill,

Gosh, I got all I need.

a genset, and an RPM regulation system, and ta-da, wind power.

Wow. What else can one say?

Don't really give a **** if this helps,

Liar.

Wolfgang

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On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:31:41 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:


wrote


so there is none, but if they were placed flat on the roof of a trailer,
the few extra inches of surface area wouldn't account for much, and
certainly not enough to outweigh the panels' use.



the ones I got are 1/2 inch thick and weigh under 15 pounds each ( the
shipping weight was 15 including packing and fudge factor )

The way I mounted them won't give me maximum output but will give them
maximum protection from accidental damage .... I worry about that more than
the panels "wearing out" before paying for themselves

It may be too late for you to do this, but for portable panels (IOW,
panels used in or around anything that regularly moves), I use
off-the-shelf aluminum square tubing (1" will do) to make a collapsible
"stand" (picture just the back of pool chaise for an idea) and as such,
can aim the panel(s). You can cut it with a hacksaw, drill it with even
a Yankee, and a few stainless bolts and plastic endcaps, and you're good
to go. As to protection, a Lexan (NOT Plexiglass) sheet high enough
above the panel so as not to touch it will stop most common impact
damage. A box made with a double piece of signboard in the back and the
Lexan front doubles as a storage/transport container for a portable
setup.

( I ran my first
travel trailer into the corner of our house the first time I took it on a
trip, the second one was smashed into a million pieces, and I was lucky to
live through the process, when a double semi-truck filled with gravel
literally drove through the trailer, the current trailer had it's roof
railing torn off on it's first trip to fish Hot Creek about 8 years ago { I
HAD to be under a tree} and I poked a small hole in the rubber roof on it's
latest journey when I just HAD to park under a tree at Hayspur while there
to fish Silver Creek ...trust me you don't want to be my trailer :-)

So you're to travel trailers what Frank is to, well, himself...

TC,
R

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On Mar 14, 8:08 pm, wrote:
On 14 Mar 2007 17:05:56 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Hm.....

Idiot.

Cool. Who writes your stuff?

Wolfgang

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On 14 Mar 2007 17:05:56 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Hm.....

Idiot.

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...
I'd bet that most people actually interested in fly fishing and the places
fish live are also interested in minimizing their personal negative impact
on the planet. In matters environmental, "Think globally, act locally"
is a good motto, imho. With that in mind I plug away at little projects
designed to help mitigate my passage. I plant a new tree here and
there, plan trips to minimise fossel fuel usage, donate money to protect
special places, etc.

One such project was recently adding solar panels to my travel trailer, to
keep the batteries charged. I camp mostly in undeveloped sites and run
my Honda generator to keep the batteries up and use my OTT lights for fly
tying ... or that was the old way. I've had them installed a couple
weeks now and even in the low angled early March sun, my tests show that
they are likely to almost eliminate my use of the generator. I also got
a small inverter and even the OTT lights no longer require my burning
gasoline. Certainly not salvation for the planet, or even noticable
really, but that is the point, little things add up to big ones.

And, I won't have to listen to, and smell, the generator .... maybe my
main point here is that cleaner living, walking lighter on the planet, is
SELF serving.


I post this for two reasons,
(1) to pat myself on the back a bit as I take pride in my little efforts
to reduce my impact, and
(2) to encourage others to make a small change or two. You won't notice
it by itself, but if we all save a bit of gas, coal, or heating fuel or
take care to walk a little more lightly on the Earth in other ways the
total result will be noticed .... by our kids and grandkids and the
seventh generation.



Environmental issues seem to become political issues but I see them as
personal ones ... ones that DO and WILL affect ME and MY family, now and
for generations. And even though I'm a "liberal, tree hugging
ex-hippie" I don't think government is often the real key to solving
environmental problems ( regardless of which ones you may believe are
'real' ) ... individual, or small group, action motivated by self serving
concern for the future health and happiness of our own families will prove
to be "the answer" if one is found .... and what can be more
"conservative" than that?

Do something this week to make your personal world a little cleaner and
less poluting, it can't hurt the planet, and it will make your part just a
tiny bit nicer. ( And I promise not to snitch to your right wing friends,
it can be our little secret :-)


post a link?

john...rockwood pop-up

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"Flytyer37" wrote

I'm in the process of having a house built for my family. More for
the wiff and I, since the kids are out of the house.
I'm building the house to be "green."

that is really cool, Frank, enjoy the project ... and the results

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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:30:54 GMT, "asadi"
wrote:


"Larry L" wrote in message
...

One such project was recently adding solar panels to my travel trailer, to
keep the batteries charged. I camp mostly in undeveloped sites and run
my Honda generator to keep the batteries up and use my OTT lights for fly
tying ... or that was the old way. I've had them installed a couple
weeks now and even in the low angled early March sun, my tests show that
they are likely to almost eliminate my use of the generator. I also got
a small inverter and even the OTT lights no longer require my burning
gasoline. Certainly not salvation for the planet, or even noticable
really, but that is the point, little things add up to big ones.

post a link?

www.mrsolar.com

I can't and so, I won't recommend that you buy from them (I never have),
but they have a fair amount of info.

john...rockwood pop-up

How many watts do you need, at what voltage?

One place to look/check is with well service companies to see if they
have any to get rid of.

IME, there is no need to buy a turn-key system unless you have to have a
particular mount, etc. If not, buy as components and hook things up
yourself. Also IME, don't permanently mount the system, and store
inside/under cover when not in use. While the panels have fairly long
lifespans (and warranties), occasional-use systems will last a LONG time
if not damaged and stored when not in use.

TC,
R

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wrote


It may be too late for you to do this,


Yeah, already screwed down ... but your point about extending life with
cover/storage when not needed has be considering some ideas to implement
after this fishing season.

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"asadi" wrote

post a link?


I got mine here ... service was good but no recommendation implied ... only
item I've ever gotten and had them less than a month

http://tinyurl.com/2bdrw3

They have models and kits not shown on this search page, I put 4 of the
339972 15 Watt panels on my trailer and a 7 Amp controller .... I feel sure
this is serious overkill for just 12 volt usage, but I wanted to use an
inverter for my fly tying lights also, so I simply measured the space
available and filled it up ... and my trailer is my home almost 1/3 of the
year.

the 500384 13 Watt folding unit looks pretty cool to me for a pop up

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On Mar 15, 9:00 am, "Larry L" wrote:
"Flytyer37" wrote

I'm in the process of having a house built for my family. More for
the wiff and I, since the kids are out of the house.
I'm building the house to be "green."

that is really cool, Frank, enjoy the project ... and the results

I will. It will cost a bit more up front and the builder is reluctant
to do some of the things I want because of cost, but I've run the
numbers and it will pay for itself in under 5 years. After that, its
all gravy.
Frank Reid