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What is "my neck of the woods"? Are you counting "my neck of the woods"
as the entire Rocky Mountain West? Screw that.


The entire West of the Mississippi!


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rw wrote in news:46142a15$0$10323
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What is "my neck of the woods"? Are you counting "my neck of the woods"
as the entire Rocky Mountain West? Screw that.


I regularly see Colorado guides, which is close enough to you for me to
call it "your neck of the woods". When you talk to them, they're starting
west of here, working slowly toward the Salmon River.


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Scott Seidman wrote:
rw wrote in news:46142a15$0$10323
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What is "my neck of the woods"? Are you counting "my neck of the woods"
as the entire Rocky Mountain West? Screw that.



The entire West of the Mississippi!



Well, then. If I never see you fishing west of the Mississippi I won't
be disappointed. But you might be.

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On Apr 5, 4:44 am, rw wrote:
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On Apr 5, 1:21 am, Jim wrote:

Novice angler catches this beaut in the middle of town. I can only
think that the fish was starting out on its spawning run as the area
is close to the mouth of a small tributary (a known spawning stream)
of the Manawatu river. Early spawning starts in March for browns
here.http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatustand...6342a6003.html

Fish this size should be miles from here, in the head waters. It must
have been lost, dumb or both.

I bet he foul hooked it.

--riverman

....and the hook came loose when it was floppin' on the rocks.

Why does everyone have to rain on the guy's parade? You all would give
your eye teeth to catch that fish.

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LOL. I'm pretty sure anything we say here on ROFF will not rain on the
guys parade.

And its just sour grapes.

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rw wrote in news:46142f3e$0$1521
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Well, then. If I never see you fishing west of the Mississippi I won't
be disappointed. But you might be.


What the hell are you talking about?

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rw wrote in news:46142f3e$0$1521
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Well, then. If I never see you fishing west of the Mississippi I won't
be disappointed. But you might be.


What the hell are you talking about?

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I think what he is saying that Easterners travel west to fish(and, yes,
guide) and Westerners go east. Further, the implication is that those who
NEVER make that trip to the other side of the country miss an entirely
different sort of trout fishing. If I am right in my assumptions, he speaks
the truth.
Back to your beef with the Colorado guides, how would you propose for them
to make a living?? Guides(like fly tyers, and they are frequently the same
people) have to stretch their work season to exist. Some Eastern guides work
the tropics. Some folks from the south head up and work the salmon rivers in
Canada. It's just folks trying to make a living. Don't resent them, just
accept the reality.
Tom

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Tom Littleton wrote:
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Back to your beef with the Colorado guides, how would you propose for them
to make a living?? Guides(like fly tyers, and they are frequently the same
people) have to stretch their work season to exist. Some Eastern guides work
the tropics. Some folks from the south head up and work the salmon rivers in
Canada. It's just folks trying to make a living. Don't resent them, just
accept the reality.

Licensed guides are one thing, unlicensed freelancers from
out of state taking away business from licensed locals is
quite another. The way I read it Scott had a beef with the
unlicensed freelancers most of whom came from Colorado. And
then too, in a lot of places the real licensed guides have to
adhere to quotas while an unlicensed freelancer doesn't bother.

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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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rw wrote in news:46142f3e$0$1521
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Well, then. If I never see you fishing west of the Mississippi I
won't be disappointed. But you might be.


What the hell are you talking about?

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I think what he is saying that Easterners travel west to fish(and,
yes, guide) and Westerners go east. Further, the implication is that
those who NEVER make that trip to the other side of the country miss
an entirely different sort of trout fishing. If I am right in my
assumptions, he speaks the truth.
Back to your beef with the Colorado guides, how would you propose for
them to make a living?? Guides(like fly tyers, and they are frequently
the same people) have to stretch their work season to exist. Some
Eastern guides work the tropics. Some folks from the south head up and
work the salmon rivers in Canada. It's just folks trying to make a
living. Don't resent them, just accept the reality.
Tom



First, it's not a beef with all Colorado guides, its a beef with Colorado
guides who come here.

I have no beef with them at all, in fact, if they go to the trouble of
becoming NYS licensed guides. In PA, anyone can hang a shingle and call
themselves a guide, but its not that way in NY. Why should an out of
state guide have fewer obstacles than an in state guide? Let them get
the same courses a NY guide has, take the same exam, pay the fee, and
maintain the license, then guide. When a CO ask them if they're guiding,
then they can say yes. It's a royal pain in the ass process, described
at http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/p...s/frguid6.html

It's the same rules I hold myself to. I won't involve myself with on-
stream fishing courses, for example. Even though there are plenty of
people who request a course like that, if my chapter or I are taking
money for it, that would be guiding, and I wouldn't do it unless
licensed. What's more, I won't get licensed because I think on-stream
courses are one of the things that the shops do these days to try to stay
alive and in business-- which is certainly more important than the few
bucks I could raise for a TU chapter. Different story if I were trying
to make a living off of it, of course.

Even if the out-of-state guides are licensed, I'd still prefer it if they
booked out of local shops, which they don't-- everything is all arranged
back home. My first Penns trip, I actually booked a guide out of Jonas'
shop (wasn't thrilled with the guide, but there you go).




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Tom Littleton wrote:
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Back to your beef with the Colorado guides, how would you propose for
them to make a living?? Guides(like fly tyers, and they are
frequently the same people) have to stretch their work season to
exist. Some Eastern guides work the tropics. Some folks from the
south head up and work the salmon rivers in Canada. It's just folks
trying to make a living. Don't resent them, just accept the reality.

Licensed guides are one thing, unlicensed freelancers from
out of state taking away business from licensed locals is
quite another. The way I read it Scott had a beef with the
unlicensed freelancers most of whom came from Colorado. And
then too, in a lot of places the real licensed guides have to
adhere to quotas while an unlicensed freelancer doesn't bother.


That's it exactly. I've seen some nasty behaviors here from guides who
just wanted to get their sports into fish, regardless of how, including
just kicking near beached salmon into big nets and ignoring posted signs.
They wouldn't do it that way if they had to worry about getting a license
revoked.

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Scott Seidman wrote:

First, it's not a beef with all Colorado guides, its a beef with Colorado
guides who come here.

I have no beef with them at all, in fact, if they go to the trouble of
becoming NYS licensed guides. In PA, anyone can hang a shingle and call
themselves a guide, but its not that way in NY. Why should an out of
state guide have fewer obstacles than an in state guide? Let them get
the same courses a NY guide has, take the same exam, pay the fee, and
maintain the license, then guide. When a CO ask them if they're guiding,
then they can say yes. It's a royal pain in the ass process, described
at http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/p...s/frguid6.html

It's the same rules I hold myself to. I won't involve myself with on-
stream fishing courses, for example. Even though there are plenty of
people who request a course like that, if my chapter or I are taking
money for it, that would be guiding, and I wouldn't do it unless
licensed. What's more, I won't get licensed because I think on-stream
courses are one of the things that the shops do these days to try to stay
alive and in business-- which is certainly more important than the few
bucks I could raise for a TU chapter. Different story if I were trying
to make a living off of it, of course.

Even if the out-of-state guides are licensed, I'd still prefer it if they
booked out of local shops, which they don't-- everything is all arranged
back home. My first Penns trip, I actually booked a guide out of Jonas'
shop (wasn't thrilled with the guide, but there you go).

So you slam me because I live in a Rocky Mountain state (not Colorado),
while I'm not a guide, and I have absolutely no interest in any
coldwater fishing whatsoever east of the Mississippi, including your
faux steelhead.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

I could say that I hate and despise Easterners who come to Idaho and
fish in my favorite honey holes, but I don't. I help them out with
decent advice about where to fish, sans GPS coordinates.

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