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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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wrote:
snip
...I think you'll find that, for most animals, it's a lot easier not to
kill than to kill, and under "normal" circumstances, it's only necessity
that causes them to do it...

I've seen adolescent wolves kill just for practice, they didn't
even eat the kill just left the elk calves laying there in the
Lamar Valley. The adult animals in the pack were all sleeping off
a big meal when the two juveniles went on their killing spree. I
suppose you could make the argument that practicing teamwork and
the kill is necessary but it sure makes a myth out of the old
tale about wolves killing only what they can eat.

I've seen post-adolescent (more or less) humans kill deer and not eat them.
It's true......I watched them for twenty minutes or more.

Wolfgang
who never ceases to be amazed by what can be learned from under a bar stool.

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Wolfgang typed:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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wrote:
snip
...I think you'll find that, for most animals, it's a lot easier
not to kill than to kill, and under "normal" circumstances, it's
only necessity that causes them to do it...

I've seen adolescent wolves kill just for practice, they didn't
even eat the kill just left the elk calves laying there in the
Lamar Valley. The adult animals in the pack were all sleeping off
a big meal when the two juveniles went on their killing spree. I
suppose you could make the argument that practicing teamwork and
the kill is necessary but it sure makes a myth out of the old
tale about wolves killing only what they can eat.

I've seen post-adolescent (more or less) humans kill deer and not eat
them. It's true......I watched them for twenty minutes or more.

For what it's worth, I've been known not to finish everything on my plate.
For those who have seen me, no, this doesn't happen often, but we *are*
discussing anomalies.
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"Tim J." wrote in message
...

For what it's worth, I've been known not to finish everything on my plate.
For those who have seen me, no, this doesn't happen often, but we *are*
discussing anomalies.

Mmmmmm.....anomalies! Deep fried, slathered with butter and garlic!

Wolfgang

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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:31:19 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:46:56 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:54:16 -0500, Cyli wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:40:40 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

Did a little scouting today. I think I've found the next smallie Clave
campground. I just have to get a hold of the powers-that-be and see if
we can work something out.

Thanks, george. Must have been a great day for you.

BTW, there still isn't any record of a healthy wolf that wasn't being
fed by humans attacking any human being in the U.S. that I've heard
of. And I'm on some groups where the hysterical about wolves
sometimes post.


I wasn't really worried about being attacked per se. It was more of an
instincticve reaction (I think) to being so close to animals which are
much more physically powerful than I am. To carry the analogy to to an
absurd level, if you came upon a group of gods cavorting in a meadow
(And, no, I don't think of wolves as gods.), would your first response
be to yell "Heey Gods! Whats happenin'!!" or would it be to keep your
trap shut and slink away.

Are these alleged "gods" "cavorting" in _A_ meadow or _trespassing_ in
_MY_ meadow? And more importantly, are there nekkid gals with hot bods
involved?

The fact that wolves could easily kill any human if they so chose and
the fact that they don't is something I find intriguing about them.

Um, they could? But OK, assuming a wolf _could_ kill any human it
chose, why do you think _would_?

Easy protein?


Or do you find yourself intriguing for
not having run over myriad people in your automobile?

I find myself and wolves intriguing for a variety of reasons. But the
fact that wolves pass up an easy meal is an interesting part of their
behavior. After all, most large felines, some bears, crocodiles,
ticks, roundworms, some sharks, crabs (after you're dead of course)
and many other animals that I'm sure I've forgotten, seem to find
human flesh toothsome and nutritious. Wolves don't. Why? I also find
it somewhat interesting that you find the predator/prey relationship
in animals analogous to human beings killing each other at random.
Why?


g.c.

HTH,
R
...I think you'll find that, for most animals, it's a lot easier not to
kill than to kill, and under "normal" circumstances, it's only necessity
that causes them to do it...

g.c.

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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:47:55 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:31:19 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:46:56 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:54:16 -0500, Cyli wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:40:40 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

Did a little scouting today. I think I've found the next smallie Clave
campground. I just have to get a hold of the powers-that-be and see if
we can work something out.

Thanks, george. Must have been a great day for you.

BTW, there still isn't any record of a healthy wolf that wasn't being
fed by humans attacking any human being in the U.S. that I've heard
of. And I'm on some groups where the hysterical about wolves
sometimes post.


I wasn't really worried about being attacked per se. It was more of an
instincticve reaction (I think) to being so close to animals which are
much more physically powerful than I am. To carry the analogy to to an
absurd level, if you came upon a group of gods cavorting in a meadow
(And, no, I don't think of wolves as gods.), would your first response
be to yell "Heey Gods! Whats happenin'!!" or would it be to keep your
trap shut and slink away.

Are these alleged "gods" "cavorting" in _A_ meadow or _trespassing_ in
_MY_ meadow? And more importantly, are there nekkid gals with hot bods
involved?

The fact that wolves could easily kill any human if they so chose and
the fact that they don't is something I find intriguing about them.

Um, they could? But OK, assuming a wolf _could_ kill any human it
chose, why do you think _would_?

Easy protein?


Or do you find yourself intriguing for
not having run over myriad people in your automobile?

I find myself and wolves intriguing for a variety of reasons. But the
fact that wolves pass up an easy meal is an interesting part of their
behavior.

And how many human beings have you killed with your bare hands? If
none, what makes you think it would be so easy? OTOH, how many
hamburgers have you ordered, received, subdued, and consumed? Which
would you guess would be easier?

After all, most large felines, some bears, crocodiles,
ticks, roundworms, some sharks, crabs (after you're dead of course)
and many other animals that I'm sure I've forgotten, seem to find
human flesh toothsome and nutritious.

They do? I think that will come as news to most large felines, some
bears, crocodiles, ticks, roundworms, some sharks, crabs (after you're
dead of course) and many other animals, forgotten or otherwise. I've
spent some time around large felines, some bears, and just about every
major species of shark, not to mention ticks, roundworms, and crabs, and
thus far, I'm uneaten by any of them. My experience with crocs is
admittedly limited (not non-existent), but my experience with gators is
pretty extensive, and as one might guess, I'm similarly uneaten by
either. OTOH, I don't do stupid **** that might make any on the above
list look upon me as a meal, easy or otherwise (and I'm not suggesting
that you do). Of course, it is my understanding that man-eating
roundworms are even rarer than the occasional man-eating
tick...wait...maybe that's the other way around...

Wolves don't. Why?

See above...OTOH, I'd not put a newborn human in a cage with a hungry
wolf on the basis of wolves' not eating humans because they don't find
them tasty...

I also find
it somewhat interesting that you find the predator/prey relationship
in animals analogous to human beings killing each other at random.
Why?

And from the above, I find that you somehow found the idea that I find
such analogous even though I can find nothing in what I wrote to support
such a finding...you'll find that I don't find _any_ of those findings
even somewhat interesting...

TC,
R

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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:42:20 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
snip
...I think you'll find that, for most animals, it's a lot easier not to
kill than to kill, and under "normal" circumstances, it's only necessity
that causes them to do it...

I've seen adolescent wolves kill just for practice, they didn't
even eat the kill just left the elk calves laying there in the
Lamar Valley. The adult animals in the pack were all sleeping off
a big meal when the two juveniles went on their killing spree. I
suppose you could make the argument that practicing teamwork and
the kill is necessary but it sure makes a myth out of the old
tale about wolves killing only what they can eat.

I said nothing about wolves only killing what they can eat...

TC,
R
....but were these adolescent wolves called Mickey and Mallory...?

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wrote in message
...

I said nothing...

Yep.

Wolfgang

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wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:47:55 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:31:19 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:46:56 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:54:16 -0500, Cyli wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:40:40 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

Did a little scouting today. I think I've found the next smallie Clave
campground. I just have to get a hold of the powers-that-be and see if
we can work something out.

Thanks, george. Must have been a great day for you.

BTW, there still isn't any record of a healthy wolf that wasn't being
fed by humans attacking any human being in the U.S. that I've heard
of. And I'm on some groups where the hysterical about wolves
sometimes post.


I wasn't really worried about being attacked per se. It was more of an
instincticve reaction (I think) to being so close to animals which are
much more physically powerful than I am. To carry the analogy to to an
absurd level, if you came upon a group of gods cavorting in a meadow
(And, no, I don't think of wolves as gods.), would your first response
be to yell "Heey Gods! Whats happenin'!!" or would it be to keep your
trap shut and slink away.

Are these alleged "gods" "cavorting" in _A_ meadow or _trespassing_ in
_MY_ meadow? And more importantly, are there nekkid gals with hot bods
involved?

The fact that wolves could easily kill any human if they so chose and
the fact that they don't is something I find intriguing about them.

Um, they could? But OK, assuming a wolf _could_ kill any human it
chose, why do you think _would_?

Easy protein?


Or do you find yourself intriguing for
not having run over myriad people in your automobile?

I find myself and wolves intriguing for a variety of reasons. But the
fact that wolves pass up an easy meal is an interesting part of their
behavior.

And how many human beings have you killed with your bare hands? If
none, what makes you think it would be so easy? OTOH, how many
hamburgers have you ordered, received, subdued, and consumed? Which
would you guess would be easier?

After all, most large felines, some bears, crocodiles,
ticks, roundworms, some sharks, crabs (after you're dead of course)
and many other animals that I'm sure I've forgotten, seem to find
human flesh toothsome and nutritious.

They do? I think that will come as news to most large felines, some
bears, crocodiles, ticks, roundworms, some sharks, crabs (after you're
dead of course) and many other animals, forgotten or otherwise. I've
spent some time around large felines, some bears, and just about every
major species of shark, not to mention ticks, roundworms, and crabs, and
thus far, I'm uneaten by any of them. My experience with crocs is
admittedly limited (not non-existent), but my experience with gators is
pretty extensive, and as one might guess, I'm similarly uneaten by
either. OTOH, I don't do stupid **** that might make any on the above
list look upon me as a meal, easy or otherwise (and I'm not suggesting
that you do). Of course, it is my understanding that man-eating
roundworms are even rarer than the occasional man-eating
tick...wait...maybe that's the other way around...

Wolves don't. Why?

See above...OTOH, I'd not put a newborn human in a cage with a hungry
wolf on the basis of wolves' not eating humans because they don't find
them tasty...

I also find
it somewhat interesting that you find the predator/prey relationship
in animals analogous to human beings killing each other at random.
Why?

And from the above, I find that you somehow found the idea that I find
such analogous even though I can find nothing in what I wrote to support
such a finding...you'll find that I don't find _any_ of those findings
even somewhat interesting...

Hee, hee, hee.

See how easy it is to get him rolling, George?

See how fun it is?

All those words......and NOTHING to say. :)

Wolfgang
it's an art......really.

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See how easy it is to miss the point on another great George report?
Don't try to cover tracks, Wolfgang, you are guilty too.

Living in MT, I know wolves won't attack humans, I feel honored when I
hear them howl while camping, and I know that no true wilderness is
truly wild without the howl of a wolf. However, I still see most of you
missed the beauty of George's post to jump at the chance to bicker.

Stop ruining it, dolts. Most of us know the science and nature of the
wolf. The beauty of his post (again) was the emotion he felt and the
great detail he went into to relay a great human experience with us.
Sorry you missed it.

Thanks again George.