Newbie questions -- after my 1st season of fishing
 

QUOTE WITH TRANSLATION
QUOTE
are an exciting new line of species specific fly lines designed to

another new and quite superfluous product which we have to sell
somehow, and of course the fish don´t care

turn over flies perfectly, accurately, every time.

Bull****, only the caster can do that

The Precision
Tapers also feature Cortland's newest performance enhancer, Duraslik®.
Duraslik is an entirely new formulation that dramatically increases
durability and ensures that these lines will stay slick.

Yeah yeah yeah, silicone oil in the plastic.

Important new features of the Precision Tapers include (on some
models) the availability of half weight line sizes,

Great, I can match any shooting head to a hundredth of a line size if
desired. A lot cheaper as well.

two tone for easy
pickup identification and an exciting new taper design called the
Rocket2.

Two tone? Like racing convertibles? How exciting! What do you do in
the dark? Or don´t Bass bite at night? A taper by any other
name................


Never before has a fly line manufacturer made available fly
lines designated by whole and half weights.

True enough, they have been screwing anglers with unmatched lines for
years.


Driven by the tremendous
diversity of fly rod actions,

Driven by a drop in sales as more anglers come to realise they are
being screwed by the manufacturers.

fly anglers will now be able to more
precisely match their fly line weight to their rod's action.

Bull****, by their own admission they wont come any nearer than half a
line weight.

A color change has also been included, indicating the maximum load
point for easy pickup.

As I said, what do you do in the dark? A shooting head is always
correct, because the joint with the running lien tells you exactly
where it is, even in the dark.

#Finally, Cortland, the innovator of the
original Rocket taper, now introduces the Rocket2 taper design - more
weight up front for directional stability,

Bull****, the weight does not affect the direction of a fly line, it
goes where the rod tip drives it.


with a long front taper for
delicate, precise presentations backed up by an extra long back taper

Oh marvelous, so you can put a size 2/0 Bass popper down like a dry
fly? Very useful.

Long back tapers merely allow the line to turn over a little more
smoothly


for maximum aerialization.

For maximum aerialization? I doubt you can cast the thing with more
than a couple of yards of overhang. For maximum aerialization, throw
it out of an aeroplane.

UNQUOTE

The best is yet to come! 35 yards of mixed line, ( they don´t tell
you how long the head is) but probably about 35 feet, attached to ~ 60
feet of cheap running line for 55 dollars! You just have to be
pulling my chain!!!

My "specialty" heads, will do a lot more than that line will, can be
matched to ANY weight, and cost less than five dollars.

Your turn.......................

--
Regards and tight lines!

Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en

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On Aug 12, 11:24 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Mike wrote:
Why don´t you read what an expert says before you disagree with
something "on principle".

When the subject is fly fishing for bass in central Illinois
I am an expert. And I agree with me. ;-)

snip
If you mean this;
http://www.waderson.com/us/store/127...s--Big-Fly--6w...

it´s just a shooting head with integrated running line, a short front
taper, and a long back taper, which will admittedly help turnover to
some extent, but this depends largely on casting skill with a head
anyway, Turn over usually being accomplished by applying more power,
or using various tricks like "pull back" or feathering.

That's the fly line I'm talking about. It's far better for casting
in close to the canoe than any shooting head contraption and it's
far more accurate at a distance regardless of "tricks".

--
Ken Fortenberry

A fly line is a fly line, it aint "species specific".

Now how would you know that? by your own admission, you have never
used one. Apart from which, that is pure bull****, A matched head
casts better at ANY distance, than any other line. Simply because it
is perfectly matched to the rod.

--
Regards and tight lines!

Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en

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By the way, you know how I hate to rain on your
parade.................

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I 've also had an opportunity to cast
the new Cortland Precision Big Fly - Bass and I like it even
better, but it doesn't come in 6wt, just 7, 8, & 9.
UNQUOTE

It comes in #6 #7# or #8, each just as exciting, useless, and
expensive as the others.

If you are going to use manufacturer´s blurb, then you might at least
have the decency to get it right.

So, back to more rewarding ventures, than a tackle discussion on ROFF,
with somebody who knows absolutely nothing about it.

´night...................

--
Regards and tight lines!

Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en

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Mike wrote:
By the way, you know how I hate to rain on your
parade.................

QUOTE
I 've also had an opportunity to cast
the new Cortland Precision Big Fly - Bass and I like it even
better, but it doesn't come in 6wt, just 7, 8, & 9.
UNQUOTE

It comes in #6 #7# or #8, each just as exciting, useless, and
expensive as the others.

No, it doesn't. That online retailer made an error when they
set up their web page.

If you are going to use manufacturer´s blurb, then you might at least
have the decency to get it right.

You'd be better off using the manufacturer's blurb than the
first Google hit you see. You know, just to be decent and
get it right. ;-)

So, back to more rewarding ventures, than a tackle discussion on ROFF,
with somebody who knows absolutely nothing about it.

The one good thing about His Silly Mikeness is the way he
disappears whenever he inevitably makes a complete, ignorant
arse of himself. Buh Bye Mikey, see you in a few months.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Newbie questions -- after my 1st season of fishing
 

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:03:34 -0700, Mike wrote:

By the way, you know how I hate to rain on your
parade.................

QUOTE
I 've also had an opportunity to cast
the new Cortland Precision Big Fly - Bass and I like it even
better, but it doesn't come in 6wt, just 7, 8, & 9.
UNQUOTE

It comes in #6 #7# or #8, each just as exciting, useless, and
expensive as the others.

If you are going to use manufacturer´s blurb, then you might at least
have the decency to get it right.

So, back to more rewarding ventures, than a tackle discussion on ROFF,
with somebody who knows absolutely nothing about it.

´night...................

--
Regards and tight lines!

Mike Connor

Got hair trigger much?

/daytripper (sheesh. you do have *some* form of skin, yes?)

Newbie questions -- after my 1st season of fishing
 

On Aug 13, 12:30 am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Nice to see that some things never change, the same old Kenny, no
facts to go on, so attack and insult the man who has. Only here
because he can´t be run off a public newsgroup. Pitiful, and as ever a
complete waste of time.

However, at least I probably saved the original poster 55 dollars for
a load of useless crap. No matter who or what he believes, he will at
least now think about it.

Indeed, I will put my money where my mouth is, if you send me your
mailing address, ( my e-mail address is below), I will send you a
shooting head for your rod for free, so you can try it. Also
instructions on how to adjust it if necessary.

I don´t sell anything at all, this is just an offer to help you, and
annoy Kenny when you come back and tell us all how well it worked.

So whatcha gonna do now Kenny boy? Send him a lump of over-hyped
fifty-five dollar plastic? Or call me some more silly names?

´night

--
Regards and tight lines!

Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en

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http://www.cortlandline.com/technical/444slpt.html

Seems you might be right there for a change Kenny boy, but it does not
change any other facts now does it?

Nice try though. I am sure you will sleep better in the certain
knowledge that you "put one over".

I couldn´t find any "half weight lines" either, but I am sure that is
a manufacturers´s error, or something?

Whatever....................
--
Regards and tight lines!

Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en

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On Aug 13, 12:35 am, daytripper wrote:


Got hair trigger much?

/daytripper (sheesh. you do have *some* form of skin, yes?)

Depends largely on the weapon, and what I am shooting at.

I wondered when Kenny´s supporting act would chime in.

How about a comment on the line facts? Or don´t you know any either?

--
Regards and tight lines!

Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en

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mdk77 wrote:
Thanks to all of you who helped me get started fly fishing this
Spring. Now, after my first Spring and Summer of fishing, I'm back
here needing some more advice.

I live in Central Illinois so 90% of my fishing has been for panfish
and bass on ponds and lakes. Mostly small ponds and lakes that I can
wade. I may try canoe fishing next year too, on these same waters. I
do get away for trout fishing once a year on vacation though (next
year I'm going to Taneycomo for a week for Browns and
Rainbows.....this Summer I was in Canada with 3-5 pound Rainbows).

I'm a family-guy on a tight budget, so I started out with a Cabella's
Three Forks 6wt rod with Cortland 444 Classic Peach WF6 Floating
line. I know it's a KPOC, but it was all I could afford. I caught a
ton of fish on it this year though. I took a class and learned to tie
my own flies, and 90% of the flies I fish with are my own (often ugly)
flies size 6-12. I fish mostly nymphs, streamers (weighted or with
bead heads), and terrestrials. While I like catching the pan fish, I
most enjoy catching bass. They are a real thrill on a fly rod. I
don't plan on fishing big size hooks for bass, as I've done fine
around here with #6 hooks for bass, and bigger didn't seem to improve
my catches. Sometimes I was frustrated this year trying to fish on
windy days with my rig, but maybe it was me and not the equipment.

I think Santa is going to bring me a 2nd fly outfit this Christmas.
I'm working hard to be on Santa's "good" list (my wife) and dropping
hints already :-) What would you recommend that I consider for a 2nd
fly rod/reel that is a step up from the KPOC, but still affordable
(something around $300)? I might add here that I'm REALLY satisfied
with the Prestige Plus reel that came with the KPOC -- I've landed
some big bass, and one monster carp without feeling I needed anything
better than the Prestige Plus reel. I would like to put my money in a
nice rod.

Also, what size rod/reel would you think I should go with?


If you're in central Illinois, go to Jerry's in Highland and see what
he's got. He has cut a deal for me more than once in the past. I might
suggest fishing the tailout at Beaver or some of the places below the
dam on Norfork Lake (North Fork of the White River) on your trip to
Taneycomo. Try to learn the technique of dead drifting. Fish a
weighted #14 tan or olive bead head scud about 24" below a strike
indicator. That seems to work very well in those waters and below the
dam at Table Rock (upstream of Taneycomo). There a spot about 1/4 mile
below the dam at Table Rock where the river makes a bond to the left.
Try fishing the outside of the bend dead drifting that scud set-up.

There are a few trout parks along I-44 that might give you some trout
opportunities.

Newbie questions -- after my 1st season of fishing
 

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:53:42 -0700, Mike wrote:

On Aug 13, 12:35 am, daytripper wrote:


Got hair trigger much?

/daytripper (sheesh. you do have *some* form of skin, yes?)

Depends largely on the weapon, and what I am shooting at.

I wondered when Kenny´s supporting act would chime in.

How about a comment on the line facts? Or don´t you know any either?

"Line facts"?

yawn

Frankly, if it can't be solved with a 444SL, in an appropriate weight for the
rod and taper for the fly, it isn't worth solving....

/daytripper ("Paranoia strikes deep. Into your heart it will creep...")