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"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message ps.com... On Sep 6, 7:19 am, "Wolfgang" wrote: "Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message ups.com... From: http://www.9news.com/news/local/arti...?storyid=76773 DENVER (AP) - A study led by University of Colorado researchers says an effort to restore the endangered greenback cutthroat trout has been using the wrong fish for two decades. That a mistake like this is even possible invites the question of whether the distinction between the two varieties is large enough and important enough to get excited about. With ever more powerful and discriminating analytical tools and protocols becoming available at a bewildering pace, we are fast approaching.....in fact, we have already arrived at.....a point where arguing about the validity of these distinctions becomes impossibly complex......and inevitable. If the genome of the greenback cutthroat is worth saving, well then, why not the genome of the trout (of whatever species) of a particular watershed which, I can assure you, is different from that in the next one over? At what point does the difference become critical? Reductio ad absurdum.......the genetic makeup of each and every fish is unique and thus must be conserved. The trouble is that with today's technology there is nothing fundamentally absurd about the proposition of characterising the genome of each individual fish. That's the eternal prolem with reification. (snip) .sigh Get over yourself. Hard as it must be for everyone to believe, this really isn't about you. Wolfgang Let me be clear, Wolfman, Oh, goody......something new! the .sig is for you sweetums. I'll go out on a limb here and guess that means something. Am I right? Come on, tell me I'm right. Please? No? Well, no surprise. OBROFF: I guess there's a lot of old history in the greenback recovery program including professors that could not be bothered with it at a time where it could have made a material difference in the recovery. Perhaps they had something on their minds other than a notorious and pestiferous lunatic. On the other hand, maybe they were confident that someone famous for saving the world singlehandedly time after time would come through again. How disappointed they must have been, eh? It's really a fascinating story. None the less so for being interminable. That said, at about the same time, the current wisdom foisted upon flyfisherpeople in general was the notion that 'hatcheries were bad'. It occurs to me that you REALLY should visit Earth sometime. You might not like it.......but I'm sure you'd find it an interesting place. The flyfishing community in particular has been ignorant of the critical role they play and even the role of stocking catchable non-indigenous species that sell licenses and pay for research. Judging by the nearly universal appreciation voiced here (as well as in the fly fishing community as a whole) for the brook trout to be found in such abundance in so many Western watersheds, I'd say you are perhaps overstating that ignorance just a wee bit. The ignorance continues In certain quarters, yes, unabated, unhampered, uninterrupted, and decidedly unstoppable. but issues such as this and the importance of research on other diseases such as WD and BKD and advancements in the role of the hatchery far outweigh any negative affects. About 27 to 1, would you say? Or would it be more like 59 to 1, or something in that more or less precise range? My personal feeling is the anti-hatchery sentiment grew from magazine publishers and flyfishing equipment manufacturers and retailers that equated the issues of hatchery steelhead with the fisheries of Colorado. Them, sure, but I also detect a distinct aroma of MI5 here. It is a fact that over 90% of still water in Colorado would be devoid of fish completely if it were not for the hatcheries. Well, actually, no. It wouldn't be a shred over 87.4%. However, your point is taken......and you'd be a couple of pants sizes narrower either way, so it's hard to justify quibbling over the difference. While catch and release contributes to the economy in some cases, Some, yeah, but only where it's done. the flagrant anti-conservation attitudes of some, under the false ruse of ecology, continue. Even for you, that one is abnormally and hilariously daft. :) The 7 castles mud slide and water release issues from the Pan come immediately to mind. So do Belgian waffles; the difference being that they are presumably more germane to whatever nightmarish simulacrum of a point may be ricocheting repeatedly about the inside your skull with no hope of escape. If you're concerned about cutthroat trout in Colorado, Not me. I think they should left left there for as long as they want to stay. come on out and bonk a brookie or a rainbow. What, and put all those hatcheries out of business? Don't you know how important they are? These are the real threats. There have been vague rumors that they are Islamic, Communist, Liberal, Socialist, Neo-Nazi terrorists floating around for years, but till now I never had any good reason to give them any credence. To whom shall I make out my check? It's all a damned shame, really. If people would only just LISTEN to you.....why, the very streets of Las Vegas would be awash in greenbacks! There'd be a greenback cannery in Death Valley! TBone A cash flow runs through it You should talk to Jesus. Maybe he can help you turn that whine into water. You know, it almost seems a pity that, as always, my point eluded you entirely. Some day, it might be fun to see you address one of my arguments......sorta like I did with your pipedream. Ainna? :) Wolfgang who knows there ain't enough greenbacks in the world (and never were and never will be) to blunt timmie's appetite......or to fund his hallucinations. |
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On Sep 6, 7:30 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:29:39 -0000, wrote: On Sep 5, 9:24 pm, wrote: And any ideas who paid for this screw-up? Well, in perusing some of the articles, I found that the original Greenback Trout Recovery Program was developed in 1977 by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, AHA!! 1977!! Carter was president - it's the Dems' fault!! the Colorado Division of Wildlife, the U.S. Forest Service, the National Park Service, and the U.S. Bureau of Land Management. Who actually paid for the work over the subsequent 20-30 years? Well, it looks like.... you did! Um, well...IAC, at least you got my point. You know, for me it was a toss up- fund some grad students to research cutthroat trout DNA, or send the money directly to the "keep Louie's car filled with premium" fund. But I suppose there is plenty to go around.... say, speaking of bulls and horns, I don't suppose you got any benefit from federal dollars for Katrina relief. You get your place(s) rebuilt yet? :-) Bill (just put it on my tab) |
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wrote in message ... ...what I find amusing in these little passion plays is that it's generally those who claim to have the most education about nature and stuff also seem the most surprised by the horns when they keep poking a bull... What I find amusing is your insistence on maintaining the pretense that you know something about something. :) Wolfgang hey, DNA.....it's just three little letters, right? how complicated can THAT be? |
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I think it is a evil plot by the Taliban?
-- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA Web site: www.kiene.com "Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message ups.com... From: http://www.9news.com/news/local/arti...?storyid=76773 DENVER (AP) - A study led by University of Colorado researchers says an effort to restore the endangered greenback cutthroat trout has been using the wrong fish for two decades. (snip) .sigh Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel |
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:40:36 -0500, "Wolfgang" ...
....once again proved what a good little trained pup he is... |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:40:36 -0500, "Wolfgang" ... ...once again proved what a good little trained pup he is... O, irony, thy name is......dicklet. Wolfgang who, checking his calendar, notes that it has been a while since he last reminded his audience that, yes, it IS as easy as it looks. :) |
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