First Fly Box
 

This is also excellent for preconfiguring fly lines;

http://www.graysofkilsyth.com/fishing-knots-gray's-loop.htm

TL
MC

First Fly Box
 

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sit...omepage.t-onli...

(Scroll down to the Singaporean leaders at the bottom of the
article). They are easy and quick to make, and work very well indeed.


Sorry, the first link in that post was wrong of course. Here is the
right one;

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on...nes/lines.html

TL
MC

First Fly Box
 

On Nov 3, 6:19 am, Mike wrote:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sit...omepage.t-onli...

(Scroll down to the Singaporean leaders at the bottom of the
article). They are easy and quick to make, and work very well indeed.

Sorry, the first link in that post was wrong of course. Here is the
right one;

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on..._Long_Rod/Line...

TL
MC

Thanks for all the info, Mike.

I've decided on a two nymphs, two dries and one streamer per kid, with
varying sizes of each. As it stands, I've put in a wish-list with
Harry for the following (per box)

Copper Johns (#14 and #16)
GRHE (#16 and #18), beaded and unbeaded
Woolly Bugger (#10) Black, Olive, beaded and unbeaded
EHC: #12, #14
BWO; #16

In addition, there are a couple of donation flies that will make it in
there, but I might hold those aside until mid-trip: once the kids have
cast their own flies for a few days and are comfortable with them,
then I'll break out some new flies and have them add them to their
boxes. That way, they aren't overwhelmed with options at the start,
but can start building on their knowledge once they get going.

M

First Fly Box
 

On 3 Nov, 02:24, riverman wrote:
On Nov 3, 6:19 am, Mike wrote:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sit...omepage.t-onli...

(Scroll down to the Singaporean leaders at the bottom of the
article). They are easy and quick to make, and work very well indeed.

Sorry, the first link in that post was wrong of course. Here is the
right one;

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on..._Long_Rod/Line...

TL
MC

Thanks for all the info, Mike.

I've decided on a two nymphs, two dries and one streamer per kid, with
varying sizes of each. As it stands, I've put in a wish-list with
Harry for the following (per box)

Copper Johns (#14 and #16)
GRHE (#16 and #18), beaded and unbeaded
Woolly Bugger (#10) Black, Olive, beaded and unbeaded
EHC: #12, #14
BWO; #16

In addition, there are a couple of donation flies that will make it in
there, but I might hold those aside until mid-trip: once the kids have
cast their own flies for a few days and are comfortable with them,
then I'll break out some new flies and have them add them to their
boxes. That way, they aren't overwhelmed with options at the start,
but can start building on their knowledge once they get going.

M

My pleasure.

That sounds like a very good plan, and a good basic assortment. I
might suggest a larger size variation. 16 and 12 is a good idea for
nymphs, ( allows one to represent a wider range). In view of your
list, I will send the same flies. Woolly buggers, GRHE, and Greenwells
( Spiders, good BWO imitation, and general emerger, among other
things). Obviously the patterns will not be identical to Harry´s or
others you receive, but they will be in the same general ball park,
allowing you to offer a fairly "standardised" but still versatile
assortment for each box. I would certainly advise you to put at least
one soft hackle in there as well, although I agree with leaving out
traditional winged wet flies as they are notoriously difficult to
fish. I will send you "Partridge and Oranges", which for pure river
fishing are rather more versatile than the snipe and purple I feel.

I wont send you any dry flies. I think the EHC is a very good general
dry fly anyway, and you will be getting those from Harry. My GRHE´s
will be weighted. ( Scuds, shrimps etc). Maybe the GRHE´s from Harry
will be dries?

TL
MC

First Fly Box
 

Just for info;

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on...___orange.html

TL
MC

First Fly Box
 

riverman a écrit :
OK, we're off and running.

If you were outfitting a fly box for a newbie what would you put in
it? Of course, a lot depends on the target fish and the location, but
in general I'm trying to get a general sense of distributions between
sizes and types. Some of the key parameters:
--how many flies? Dozens and dozens, or maybe just 10-15 to start?
--what distribution of types? a lot of variety, or keep it focused on
the old stand-bys?
--what distribution of sizes? again, a lot of variety with few flies
in each size, or a lot of one size?


Hi,

Here's my 0,02$ on the matter.

To your list I'd had a few Casula Dress and BeadHead Casual dress, they
look like nothing and everything around here (Quebec). I prefer nymph
and small ones (#12 & #14). A few easy dry, any CDC pattern is good
since it dosn't need floatant to float. Around here a good dragonfly
nymph is essential and loads of wooly bugger in a variety of color, fish
on a slow retrieve.

I would go for colour variation more than size variation. When you try
to match a hatch size, colour and pattern are important, less when your
a starter and you want to experiement.

--
Hope to read you soon,

Denis
www.uqtr.ca/~lamyd

You'll have to eat the SPAM to E-mail

First Fly Box
 

On Nov 2, 1:41 pm, Mike wrote:
On 2 Nov, 12:27, riverman wrote:



On Nov 2, 4:28 pm, riverman wrote:

On Nov 2, 10:40 am, Mike wrote:

On 2 Nov, 02:32, riverman wrote:

Dave, you're a gentleman and a scholar, and I thank you deeply. :-)

M

:) :) :) :)

Just wait a while, the dishonourable old ****bag will make sure he
gets a pound of flesh for them!

Don´t drink his beer either! :)

MC

Well, I guess...

In any case, I can't open your link here at school, but I'd be very
interested in your opinion...for a newbie box that had limited
quantities (say, 20 flies); which would you compromise on: diversity
of sizes, diversity of styles, or diversity of back-ups?

--riverman- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Heh heh. Now that I'm home and CAN open the attachment, I see that you
seem to be quite prescient. How clever of you.
:-)

I've never seen a Greenwell's Glory or a Snipe and Purple (although I
can attest to a lot of success with other soft hackles in Sweden), but
you've answered my question with your article. It seems that a narrow
diversity of flies, in a few sizes, with 2 or 3 of each, is the
recommendation. I think I agree.

Thanks, Mike.

--riverman

One may vary the actual flies to a considerable extent. More or less
any of Harry´s generic patterns would also suit. The main thing is to
stick to a strictly limited selection at first, and concentrate on
learning when to use what. Even an extremely limited selection of the
right flies will work in most places 70....90% of the time, and using
such,automatically removes a lot of variables and confusion, which is
important for beginners.

Presentation is usually of considerably greater importance than a
specific pattern.

Also, I try to start people off with generic wet flies/streamers/
nymphs. Dry fly fishing can be quite difficult for a beginner. Can
also be fun of course, but a draggging wet fly is much more likely to
catch a fish than a dragging dry fly.

With regard to sizes, for streamers, specifically woolly buggers,
which are probably THE most versatile streamer in existence, I would
go for #6 long shanks. For soft hackles, other wet flies and nymphs,
#16 and #14.

In time, and with experience, one will wish to increase one´s
selection, also to suit specific venues. Tailwater fisheries WILL
require other flies for instance, and in small sizes.

I obviously don´t know the specifics of your class, but you might like
to have a try at making these with them;

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sit...omepage.t-onli...

(Scroll down to the Singaporean leaders at the bottom of the
article). They are easy and quick to make, and work very well indeed.

I would also recommend the leader rings;

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on..._ups/Leaders/l...

Some set-ups may also be of use to you;http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on...s/set_ups.html

Usually, beginners have the most problems with rigging and knots.

If I can be of any further assistance, please don´t hesitate to ask.
If you drop me a mail, with your address, I will also send you some of
the flies mentioned, for your class.

TL
MC

I got the best fishing advice on patterns from a Bass fisherman of all
places.
He said whatever you chose to fish with for patterns always bring 3.
Why three?

Because you can fish with confidence. If you go with 2, and you lose
1, all of your follow up casts will not be as well placed and you will
be far more cautious about getting in and around structure. So i have
been putting 3 of whatever patterns I chose in the fly box (at least).
That way if i lose one, I will still fish the follow up with
conviction, and even after losing number 2, I still have one left, and
will probably be thinking about the next pattern anyway when
searching.

This little tid bit has worked great for me personally. I can't tell
you how many times I have hit the water with one new fly to try out,
lost it on a break off... and wonder if it was a fluke, or if that
patterns was "The one". Either way I had no back-up to find out.

Hope that helps a little in your choices.

Lloyd M
The Fishin' Hole
http://www.mainetackle.com